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yes well-
it all kind of funnels around the internet-
have different computers and different hats i wear...
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Becker, Dan wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ddiaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:24 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [BP] TEST FORdd
>>
>>
>>test
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>
>Gonna have to give you a failing grade on this test for including part
>of Leland's signature line in your email.
>
>In a bizarre coincidence, your email client is configured to send
>replies to you (at the old [log in to unmask] email address) instead of BP,
>which was an issue that brought great consternation to Leland yesterday
>with his email client.
>
>COD
>
>
>
>>ises
>>Conservation, Restoration, Management
>>Phone: 203-397-8505
>>Fax: 203-389-7516
>>Pager: 860-340-2174
>>www.LelandTorrenceEnterprises.com
>><http://www.lelandtorrenceenterprises.com/>
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Subject: Re: [BP] TEST FORdd
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Gonna have to give you a failing grade on this test for including part
of Leland's signature line in your email.
In a bizarre coincidence, your email client is configured to send
replies to you (at the old <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> email address) instead of BP,
which was an issue that brought great consternation to Leland yesterday
with his email client.
COD
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Conservation, Restoration, Management
Phone: 203-397-8505
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:27:39 -0700
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Subject: Clothes I ALWAYS wear
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Ralph, Never fear, I DO have clothes I ALWAYS wear. I am certainly NOT
nudist material. I have a "matronly" figure--read FAT.
If you travel I-91 to go to Fairlee you are very close to us. We are about
1.5 mi north on US 5 from Exit 3 in Brattleboro. Please stop by, I'll try
to have an assortment of screwdrivers available but can't guarantee
anything. Ruth
PS: Wondering if any of you city folks have seen any ads for an antique
auction at Willowbrook Farm in Dummerston, VT? It is tomorrow and the
place is next door to us.
At 10:02 PM -0400 7/7/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 7/7/2004 8:23:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I use black iron pipe for closet rods. It is strong and durable and won't
break under the load of clothes that I have but never wear.
Would it be reasonable to assume that there are other clothes that you
always wear?
Or are we talking nudist farms like my (current) sister-in-law Janet (from
another planet) used to live on?
BTW, it appears that I will be up your way Aug 21 to pick up Young Michael
(who suddenly comes up to my eyes) at camp in Fairlee, wherever that is
(PLEASE tell me it's not too far from you and Screwdriver Heaven).
Ralph
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In a message dated 7/8/2004 12:28:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Wondering if any of you city folks have seen any ads for an antique
auction at Willowbrook Farm in Dummerston, VT? It is tomorrow and the
place is next door to us.
Ruth,
No, but can you get them to hold off until I come up there? They wouldn't
mind, would they?
Ralph
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Lot's of fire flies the last few weeks. In a post that I don't think
made it to all, I mentioned the evening of the fourth. We had fire
flies at the woods edge and fire works at the tree tops. But tonight, I
wandered down the path with son Edward, in the nude, to watch the fire
flies, hundreds, and he says, "Now Dad, that's a real talent. I wish I
could brighten up the skies like that."
Best,
Leland
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Subject: another problem, house of a thousand screens
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took apart the 1954 lamps with the pull chains, pull switch mechanism is
gone, beautiful ceramic fittings with copper fittings, nice little pull chains
with solid brass ball at end, not the brown plastic and cardboard deals that are
now universal. thought i was smart, went to store to buy bathroom-style
ceramic wall mounted lights, figured i would throw out the casing, just use the
interior fittings.
turns out the interiors are the crappy plastic too.
what's wrong with this country? and where can i get ceramic fittings? c
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In a message dated 7/8/2004 9:44:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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But tonight, I
wandered down the path with son Edward, in the nude, to watch the fire
flies, hundreds, and he says, "Now Dad, that's a real talent. I wish I
could brighten up the skies like that."
Lelnad,
Tell him to keep his pants on, and he'll have a lot less chance of
brightening up the skies with his moons.
Ralph
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<DIV>Lelnad,</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 23:15:24 EDT
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Subject: Re: another problem, house of a thousand screens
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In a message dated 7/8/2004 9:57:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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where can i get ceramic fittings? c
Heh heh heh. How many are we talkin' about? And exactly what part of the
fitting are you looking for--or do you mean the whole works? (well, DUH)
And don't you ever go to flea markets/garage/yard/tag sales on the rare
occasions when you venture off that island of yours?
Ralph
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ll,=20
DUH)</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:01:46 -0400
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Subject: FW: Bald People Eat Free at Calif. Eatery
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Bald People Eat Free at Calif. Eatery=20
Thu Jul 8, 3:40 PM ET
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LODI, Calif. - Bald is beautiful in Lodi - at least to Gary Arnold, a
restaurant owner who charges customers according the amount of hair on
their head.=20
=20
A full head of hair will get you nowhere with Arnold, who sports a naked
noggin himself.=20
But customers who come to Gary's Uptown Restaurant and Bar on Wednesdays
with less than 50 percent of their hair get up to 50 percent off their
food.=20
The real thing - a totally hairless head - will fetch a clean 100
percent off.=20
Arnold doesn't care if the customer shaves, or is naturally endowed with
a lack of hair. The bald eat free - even the repeat customers, he said.=20
Not only that, but they get to chose from a special menu, which includes
filet of snapper, flat iron steak and chicken fettuccini.=20
Arnold calls it a "win-win" situation. News of the place has reached
beyond Lodi to Modesto, Sacramento and Stockton. The hairless of the
region congregate in his dining room, which can look like an
advertisement for Hair Club for Men on any given Wednesday, he told the
Lodi News. This has doubled business on what used to be his slowest day.
And the men can feel at ease in a supportive environment that nurtures
their lack of cover.=20
"Years ago, being bald was looked down upon," Arnold said. "Now I think
it's trendy."=20
Stockton resident Rich Handel, finishing off a discounted Caesar salad -
the 50 percent reduction mirroring his half-gone locks - agreed, saying
this was the first time he benefited from being bald.=20
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Restaurant=20
and Bar on Wednesdays with less than 50 percent of their hair get up to =
50=20
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doesn</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">t care if =
the customer=20
shaves, or is naturally endowed with a lack of hair. The bald eat free =
— even=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Not only =
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they get to chose from a special menu, which includes filet of snapper, =
flat=20
iron steak and chicken fettuccini. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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color=3Dblack face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">. The =
hairless of the=20
region congregate in his dining room, which can look like an =
advertisement for=20
Hair Club for Men on any given Wednesday, he told the Lodi News. This =
has=20
doubled business on what used to be his slowest day. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">And the men =
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</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 15pt"><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">"Years ago, =
being bald=20
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resident Rich=20
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mirroring his half-gone locks — agreed, saying this was the first =
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 09:39:15 -0400
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Subject: Re: another problem, house of a thousand screens
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haunt my neighborhood-
chelsea, know there are several guys around here who rebuild lamps and
have parts-
one of those things that you notice walking around think there's one @
29th between 7th and 8th another @ 25th between 6th and 7th--
will keep a eye out, [ notice that the store selling taxidermy eyes up
by the cop shop @ 30th is no longer there]...
Met History wrote:
> took apart the 1954 lamps with the pull chains, pull switch mechanism
> is gone, beautiful ceramic fittings with copper fittings, nice little
> pull chains with solid brass ball at end, not the brown plastic and
> cardboard deals that are now universal. thought i was smart, went to
> store to buy bathroom-style ceramic wall mounted lights, figured i
> would throw out the casing, just use the interior fittings.
>
> turns out the interiors are the crappy plastic too.
>
> what's wrong with this country? and where can i get ceramic fittings? c
--
J.A. Drew Diaz
EDGE Development Construction
Suite 1205
150 W 28th St
NY, NY 10001
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f 212.741.7423
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<font face="Arial">haunt my neighborhood-<br>
chelsea, know there are several guys around here who rebuild lamps and
have parts-<br>
one of those things that you notice walking around think there's one @
29th between 7th and 8th another @ 25th between 6th and 7th--<br>
will keep a eye out, [ notice that the store selling taxidermy eyes up
by the cop shop @ 30th is no longer there]...<br>
</font><br>
Met History wrote:<br>
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apart the 1954 lamps with the pull chains, pull switch mechanism is
gone, beautiful ceramic fittings with copper fittings, nice little pull
chains with solid brass ball at end, not the brown plastic and
cardboard deals that are now universal. thought i was smart, went to
store to buy bathroom-style ceramic wall mounted lights, figured i
would throw out the casing, just use the interior fittings.
<br>
<br>
turns out the interiors are the crappy plastic too.
<br>
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what's wrong with this country? and where can i get ceramic fittings?
c</font></font></blockquote>
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This is pretty neat.
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- Pam
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For all the math whizzes out there.=20
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Subject: Math Trick
=20
1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)
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code)
3. Multiply by 80
4. Add 1
5. Multiply by 250
6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number
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8. Subtract 250
9. Divide number by 2
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:03:33 -0500
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Oooooh...that's kinda spooky! I KNOW there's a simple arithmetic=20
explanation, but it doesn't come to me immediately.
On Jul 9, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
> This is pretty neat.
> =A0
> - Pam
> =A0
> For all the math whizzes out there.
> =A0
> Subject: Math Trick
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>
> 1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)
> 2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area=20
> code)
> 3. Multiply by 80
> 4. Add 1
> 5. Multiply by 250
> 6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number
> 7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.
> 8. Subtract 250
> 9. Divide number by 2
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> What do you have?
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Oooooh...that's kinda spooky! I KNOW there's a simple arithmetic
explanation, but it doesn't come to me immediately.
On Jul 9, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 13:02:30 -0600
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MessageSomebody thank Uncle Duane, now I'm getting this from everybody.
-----Original Message-----
From: A man of honor pays his debts with his own money. --DeGaulle
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Pamela
Stevenson
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] FW: [Fwd: Fw: Math Trick] - When you have a spare minute
This is pretty neat.
- Pam
For all the math whizzes out there.
Subject: Math Trick
1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)
2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area code)
3. Multiply by 80
4. Add 1
5. Multiply by 250
6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number
7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.
8. Subtract 250
9. Divide number by 2
What do you have?
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D882245417-09072004>This is pretty neat.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:11:18 -0400
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I'll thank him for you.
-----Original Message-----
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=09
Somebody thank Uncle Duane, now I'm getting this from everybody.
-----Original Message-----
From: A man of honor pays his debts with his own money. --DeGaulle =
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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:56 AM
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Subject: [BP] FW: [Fwd: Fw: Math Trick] - When you have a spare minute
=09
=09
This is pretty neat.
=20
- Pam
=20
For all the math whizzes out there.=20
=20
Subject: Math Trick
=20
=09
1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)
2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area =
code)
3. Multiply by 80
4. Add 1
5. Multiply by 250
6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number
7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.
8. Subtract 250
9. Divide number by 2
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D882245417-09072004>This is pretty neat.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:18:21 -0400
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see you have to drink too much coffee to have the time to play w/ this
Pamela Stevenson wrote:
> This is pretty neat.
>
> - Pam
>
> For all the math whizzes out there.
>
> Subject: Math Trick
>
>
> 1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)
> 2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area code)
> 3. Multiply by 80
> 4. Add 1
> 5. Multiply by 250
> 6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number
> 7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.
> 8. Subtract 250
> 9. Divide number by 2
>
> What do you have?
>
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Suite 1205
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NY, NY 10001
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<font face="Arial">see you have to drink too much coffee to have the
time to play w/ this</font><br>
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Pamela Stevenson wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
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1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head)<br>
2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area
code)<br>
3. Multiply by 80<br>
4. Add 1<br>
5. Multiply by 250<br>
6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number<br>
7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.<br>
8. Subtract 250<br>
9. Divide number by 2<br>
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:23:52 -0400
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Soma is one of my co-workers. I think I should tell the boss he's busy
figuring out why this works. BTW - that's his direct line. Y'all are
welcome to call him, I'm sure :-).
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- Pam
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From: Soma Sekhar=20
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:20 PM
To: Pamela Stevenson
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Fw: Math Trick] - When you have a spare minute
This is no trick - very straightforward
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(475*80 + 1 )250 +2*5602 -250 (475*80 ) 250 +2*5602
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class=3D233402218-09072004>Soma is one of my co-workers. I think I =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D233402218-09072004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Soma Sekhar =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, July 09, 2004 2:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pamela =
Stevenson<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
RE: [Fwd: Fw: Math Trick] - When you have a spare =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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trick – very=20
straightforward</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Funny - he never touches the stuff
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Sharpshooter with dirty hands in the Dark:
I have submitted your request for sink brackets in to my friends Bob "The
Hammer" Phillips (he's also a 'sterminator, like that asshole from Texas) and
Chemical Russell (guess what he does in the Army Reserves?). They calim
they'll keep an eye out for ya. But not like in the joke.
As for the electrical fixture, are you looking for the old porcelain
pull-chain fixture which is intended to be mounted to a wall-or ceiling mounted
electrical box, or are you looking for some sort of porcelain pull-chain socket
similar to those used in what are commonly (and mistakenly) called table
lamps? Technically speaking, what the benighted masses would refer to as a
"bulb" is properly called a lamp, and the thing on the desk that is called a lamp
is in reality a fixture.
You're welcome.
Ralph
PS-- what about the length of this bracket? And who is the manufacturer of
your new lav? We're not talking interchangeable on the order of sash
weights, here. Zabar's Daughter would probably just as soon I don't deliver 500 lbs
of the wrong kind of scrap iron to the World HQ of The Office for
Metropolitan History. Especially while you're away in DFI.
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Cross-posted from a museum conservation listserv...
In a message dated 7/9/04 8:28:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> * The UKP2000 Anna Plowden Award went to dust-busting David
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When I first read this I thought it was from John Callan... and wondered
what Fried Cat conversation I had been missing out on.
No histo presto content that I can see.
Did anyone else catch William F. Buckley's comments on Meet the Press,
last Sunday, to the inference that there should be a Constitutional
Amendment against bestiality?
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>Is this expression commonly used in people parlance? I have cats, myself.
My wife and I have friends in Portland, OR, who regularly referred to
their dog as "checking her pee-mail." Their phrase was definitely a
pun on e-mail, and dates to the '90s. I was under the impression that
they'd coined the phrase themselves, but I don't really know -- I'm a
cat person, too.
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SLAY MOST FOWL
6 ducks killed.
Exclusive, New York Post, Tuesday, July 6, 2004, By Jeremy Olshan
Parks officials are hunting a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks of
six defenseless ducks nesting under the Flushing Meadows boathouse.
There's no suspect yet, but officials said the senseless murders are
likely the work of a twisted mind, since there was no blood and the
birds were not killed for food.
"We'll do whatever we can to find the perpetrators of this foul deed,"
Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe said. "Unfortunately, this type of
thing happens all too often."
Connie von Hundertmark discovered the fowl play when she arrived at
Meadow Lake on Thursday — as she does every morning just before 6 a.m.
— to feed the ducks bagels and croissants.
"Normally, as soon as I pull up in my car and yell, `Hello babies,' the
ducks come running up to -me," she said. "But when they didn't respond I
knew something was wrong."
Hundertmark, 57, waded into the lake and under the boathouse.
"That's when I saw Beaky, Greenie and four others were dead," she said.
"This was a malicious act, done purely for the sake of seeing these
animals die."
The funeral rites for the departed ducks were brief. Two Parks workers
wearing latex averted their eyes as they dropped the bodies into black
garbage bags.
The ducks will be analyzed at a nearby lab, officials said.
"It's probably not caused by toxins, or disease, but we have to make
sure," a Parks employee said.
A retired flight attendant, Hundertmark she said has never stopped
feeding flyers — and says she never will.
"It's just that now I can't stop crying my eyes out," she said.
Returning to the scene of the crime, Hundertmark brought a buffet of
pastries and other treats for the remaining birds.
If Parks enforcers are unable to catch the fiend, Hundertmark said she
may have to take matters into her own hands.
"If I caught the lunatic who did this, I would stab him in the heart."
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We do use the term pee-mail also. Its hard to walk a dog and not
notice how she/he sniffs the same spots each day, or leave droppings in
the same place.
I wasn't paying that close attention when Buckley went into those
constitutional issues.
I awoke this morning to NPR's piece on Abu Grav. This affair makes me
feel dirty and ashamed. What are these people doing to my flag, my
people, my history, my honor? Who entrusted these people with such
precious treasure? (This of course, is rhetorical.)
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 8:06 AM, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
> When I first read this I thought it was from John Callan... and
> wondered
> what Fried Cat conversation I had been missing out on.
>
> No histo presto content that I can see.
>
> Did anyone else catch William F. Buckley's comments on Meet the Press,
> last Sunday, to the inference that there should be a Constitutional
> Amendment against bestiality?
>
> ][<en
>
> From: James Callan <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: July 12, 2004 10:51:48 PM CDT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: "checking the mail"
> Reply-To: American Dialect Society <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>> Is this expression commonly used in people parlance? I have cats,
>> myself.
>
> My wife and I have friends in Portland, OR, who regularly referred to
> their dog as "checking her pee-mail." Their phrase was definitely a
> pun on e-mail, and dates to the '90s. I was under the impression that
> they'd coined the phrase themselves, but I don't really know -- I'm a
> cat person, too.
>
> --
> James Callan
> copywriter
> Seattle, WA
>
>
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We do use the term pee-mail also. Its hard to walk a dog and not
notice how she/he sniffs the same spots each day, or leave droppings
in the same place.
I wasn't paying that close attention when Buckley went into those
constitutional issues.
I awoke this morning to NPR's piece on Abu Grav. This affair makes me
feel dirty and ashamed. What are these people doing to my flag, my
people, my history, my honor? Who entrusted these people with such
precious treasure? (This of course, is rhetorical.)
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 8:06 AM, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
<excerpt>When I first read this I thought it was from John Callan...
and wondered
what Fried Cat conversation I had been missing out on.
No histo presto content that I can see.
Did anyone else catch William F. Buckley's comments on Meet the Press,
last Sunday, to the inference that there should be a Constitutional
Amendment against bestiality?
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<excerpt>Is this expression commonly used in people parlance? I have
cats, myself.
</excerpt>
My wife and I have friends in Portland, OR, who regularly referred to
their dog as "checking her pee-mail." Their phrase was definitely a
pun on e-mail, and dates to the '90s. I was under the impression that
they'd coined the phrase themselves, but I don't really know -- I'm a
cat person, too.
--
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copywriter
Seattle, WA
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who could blame him-
recently traffic, during rush hour, was backed up from the bridges to
the southern state because there were geese walking in the right hand
lane of the Cross Island expressway....
thousands, 10's of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours wasted for
a half dozen geese....
Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
> SLAY MOST FOWL
>
> 6 ducks killed.
>
> Exclusive, New York Post, Tuesday, July 6, 2004, By Jeremy Olshan
>
> Parks officials are hunting a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks of
> six defenseless ducks nesting under the Flushing Meadows boathouse.
>
> There's no suspect yet, but officials said the senseless murders are
> likely the work of a twisted mind, since there was no blood and the
> birds were not killed for food.
>
> "We'll do whatever we can to find the perpetrators of this foul deed,"
> Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe said. "Unfortunately, this type of
> thing happens all too often."
>
> Connie von Hundertmark discovered the fowl play when she arrived at
> Meadow Lake on Thursday — as she does every morning just before 6 a.m.
> — to feed the ducks bagels and croissants.
>
> "Normally, as soon as I pull up in my car and yell, `Hello babies,' the
> ducks come running up to -me," she said. "But when they didn't respond I
> knew something was wrong."
>
> Hundertmark, 57, waded into the lake and under the boathouse.
>
> "That's when I saw Beaky, Greenie and four others were dead," she said.
> "This was a malicious act, done purely for the sake of seeing these
> animals die."
>
> The funeral rites for the departed ducks were brief. Two Parks workers
> wearing latex averted their eyes as they dropped the bodies into black
> garbage bags.
>
> The ducks will be analyzed at a nearby lab, officials said.
>
> "It's probably not caused by toxins, or disease, but we have to make
> sure," a Parks employee said.
>
> A retired flight attendant, Hundertmark she said has never stopped
> feeding flyers — and says she never will.
>
> "It's just that now I can't stop crying my eyes out," she said.
>
> Returning to the scene of the crime, Hundertmark brought a buffet of
> pastries and other treats for the remaining birds.
>
> If Parks enforcers are unable to catch the fiend, Hundertmark said she
> may have to take matters into her own hands.
>
> "If I caught the lunatic who did this, I would stab him in the heart."
>
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<font face="Arial">who could blame him-<br>
recently traffic, during rush hour, was backed up from the bridges to
the southern state because there were geese walking in the right hand
lane of the Cross Island expressway....<br>
thousands, 10's of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours wasted for
a half dozen geese....<br>
</font><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="[log in to unmask]">SLAY
MOST FOWL
<br>
<br>
6 ducks killed.
<br>
<br>
Exclusive, New York Post, Tuesday, July 6, 2004, By Jeremy Olshan
<br>
<br>
Parks officials are hunting a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks of
<br>
six defenseless ducks nesting under the Flushing Meadows boathouse.
<br>
<br>
There's no suspect yet, but officials said the senseless murders are
<br>
likely the work of a twisted mind, since there was no blood and the
<br>
birds were not killed for food.
<br>
<br>
"We'll do whatever we can to find the perpetrators of this foul deed,"
<br>
Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe said. "Unfortunately, this type of
<br>
thing happens all too often."
<br>
<br>
Connie von Hundertmark discovered the fowl play when she arrived at
<br>
Meadow Lake on Thursday — as she does every morning just before 6 a.m.
<br>
— to feed the ducks bagels and croissants.
<br>
<br>
"Normally, as soon as I pull up in my car and yell, `Hello babies,' the
<br>
ducks come running up to -me," she said. "But when they didn't respond
I
<br>
knew something was wrong."
<br>
<br>
Hundertmark, 57, waded into the lake and under the boathouse.
<br>
<br>
"That's when I saw Beaky, Greenie and four others were dead," she said.
<br>
"This was a malicious act, done purely for the sake of seeing these
<br>
animals die."
<br>
<br>
The funeral rites for the departed ducks were brief. Two Parks workers
<br>
wearing latex averted their eyes as they dropped the bodies into black
<br>
garbage bags.
<br>
<br>
The ducks will be analyzed at a nearby lab, officials said.
<br>
<br>
"It's probably not caused by toxins, or disease, but we have to make
<br>
sure," a Parks employee said.
<br>
<br>
A retired flight attendant, Hundertmark she said has never stopped
<br>
feeding flyers — and says she never will.
<br>
<br>
"It's just that now I can't stop crying my eyes out," she said.
<br>
<br>
Returning to the scene of the crime, Hundertmark brought a buffet of
<br>
pastries and other treats for the remaining birds.
<br>
<br>
If Parks enforcers are unable to catch the fiend, Hundertmark said she
<br>
may have to take matters into her own hands.
<br>
<br>
"If I caught the lunatic who did this, I would stab him in the heart."
<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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>>who could blame him-
recently traffic, during rush hour, was backed up from the bridges to
the southern state because there were geese walking in the right hand
lane of the Cross Island expressway....
thousands, 10's of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hours wasted for
a half dozen geese....<<
One of the best things about not having indoor plumbing is the fact that
it gives you the chance to enjoy a flock of hen turkeys teaching their
communal brood to forage on the forest floor, or a wood duck quietly
enjoying the morning stillness on the pond, or realizing that the
chanterelle mushrooms are about ready to pick. If I didn't have to take
time away from staring at the monitor to head to the three holer, I
would have missed every one of those. It will be kind of a shame to step
into the modern world of indoor elimination when the new/old house is
ready.
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In a message, [log in to unmask] writes:
Did anyone else catch William F. Buckley's comments on Meet the Press, last
Sunday, to the inference that there should be a Constitutional Amendment
against bestiality?
better than amendment for bestiality.
sincerely, i have a contingent interest in a standard poodle
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In a mess, [log in to unmask] writes:
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Fwd[2]:Teacher Arrested
Date: 7/12/2004 8:55 AM
I assume that this "public school teacher" was intercepted by TSA.
At New York's Kennedy airport today an individual, later discovered to be a public school teacher, was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator.
At a morning press conference, Attorney general John Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of
the notorious Al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.
"Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft said. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns', but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of ! the axis of medieval with coordinates
in every country.
As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, 'there are 3 sides to every triangle'." When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes."
J J.A. Drew Diaz
EDGE Development Construction
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<pre wrap="">Fwd[2]:Teacher Arrested
Date: 7/12/2004 8:55 AM
I assume that this "public school teacher" was intercepted by TSA.
At New York's Kennedy airport today an individual, later discovered to be a public school teacher, was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a setsquare, a slide rule, and a calculator.
At a morning press conference, Attorney general John Ashcroft said he believes the man is a member of
the notorious Al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.
"Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," Ashcroft said. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns', but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of ! the axis of medieval with coordinates
in every country.
As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, 'there are 3 sides to every triangle'." When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes."</pre>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:05:46 -0500
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to=20
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by=20
about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a mess, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Parks officials are hunt=ADing a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks=20=
> of six defenseless ducks nest=ADing
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The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by
about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote:
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Queens quackpot who snapped the necks of six defenseless ducks =
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Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
=09
=09
The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to =
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by =
about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!=20
-jc=20
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In a mess, [log in to unmask] writes:=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D444375416-13072004>Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not=20
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy =
bent lead=20
pipe. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>John Callan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:06 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
SLAY=20
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<DIV>The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying =
to set=20
a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by about =
600.=20
SUNNIES for goodness sake! </DIV>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote: </DIV><BR>
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Queens=20
quackpot who snapped the necks of six defenseless ducks=20
nest­ing</BIG></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:15:41 -0500
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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I suppose that would depend on one's context. Do Not Resuscitate=20
doesn't come up all that often in my daily routine, Department of=20
Natural Resources comes up at regular intervals.
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
> Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Easy bent lead pipe.=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John=20=
> Callan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
>
> The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to=20=
> set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by=20
> about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!
> -jc
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote:
>
>
> In a mess, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Parks officials are hunt=ADing a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks=20=
> of six defenseless ducks nest=ADing
> as opposed to six ducks armed with rpg's
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I suppose that would depend on one's context. Do Not Resuscitate
doesn't come up all that often in my daily routine, Department of
Natural Resources comes up at regular intervals.
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
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Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
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The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by
about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!
-jc
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><x-tad-bigger>In a mess,
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defenseless ducks
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:42:47 -0400
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Must be all those years I spent in the medical insurance industry that =
tainted me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
=09
=09
I suppose that would depend on one's context. Do Not Resuscitate =
doesn't come up all that often in my daily routine, Department of =
Natural Resources comes up at regular intervals.=20
-jc=20
On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:=20
Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were trying to =
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by =
about 600. SUNNIES for goodness sake!=20
-jc=20
On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote:=20
In a mess, [log in to unmask] writes:
Parks officials are hunt=ADing a Queens quackpot who snapped the necks =
of six defenseless ducks nest=ADing
as opposed to six ducks armed with rpg's
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D304324218-13072004>Must be all those years I spent in the =
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lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy =
bent lead=20
pipe. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>John Callan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:16 =
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[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
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<DIV>I suppose that would depend on one's context. Do Not Resuscitate =
doesn't=20
come up all that often in my daily routine, Department of Natural =
Resources=20
comes up at regular intervals. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 13, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote: </DIV><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><SMALL>Doesn't DNR=20
usually stand for Do Not =
Resuscitate?</SMALL></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>-----Original=20
Message-----</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>From:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Easy bent lead pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>John=20
Callan</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>Sent:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:06=20
PM</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>To:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>=20
=
[log in to unmask]</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOT=
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT =
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>Subject:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Re: [BP] SLAY MOST=20
FOWL</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<DIV>The DNR caught a bunch of 60 year olds who apparently were =
trying to=20
set a new record for "over the limit fishing" this weekend. Over by =
about=20
600. SUNNIES for goodness sake! </DIV>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 13, 2004, at 9:53 AM, Met History wrote: </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BIG>In a mess, [log in to unmask]
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BIG>Parks officials are hunt­ing a =
Queens=20
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nest­ing</BIG></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BIG>as opposed to six ducks armed with =
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:09:03 EDT
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I think this one gets filed under the heading "get a life."
Sign me,
Anonymous Animal Hater.
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<DIV>I think this one gets filed under the heading "get a life."</DIV>
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...about a story I wrote concerning some 1886 rowhouses on 78th and West End,
with fiery red brick:
"I have one question: Whence came this bright red brick? Where was it made?
What makes it so very red? The more conventional red brick is paler, even when
they're new. What's the difference? And remarkably, it seems to me, the
bright red bricks apparently retain their high color. How come? Are the bright red
bricks still made?"
Christopher
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:12:22 EDT
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:35:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I awoke this morning to NPR's piece on Abu Grav. This affair makes me
feel dirty and ashamed. What are these people doing to my flag, my
people, my history, my honor? Who entrusted these people with such
precious treasure? (This of course, is rhetorical.)
I didn't hear the NPR thing (it probably would've given the right-wing
hardass side of me agitta), but what those assholes did is not the way the
government or the people of the United States should be represented. To the extent
that it DOES, well, those in government should be as ashamed as the rest of
us.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:35:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=
=3D2>I awoke=20
this morning to NPR's piece on Abu Grav. This affair makes me<BR>fee=
l=20
dirty and ashamed. What are these people doing to my flag, my<BR>peo=
ple,=20
my history, my honor? Who entrusted these people with such<BR>precio=
us=20
treasure? (This of course, is rhetorical.)<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></=
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I didn't hear the NPR thing (it probably would've given the right-wing=20
hardass side of me agitta), but what those assholes did is not the way the=20
government or the people of the United States should be represented. T=
o=20
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rest of us.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:16:06 EDT
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: "checking the mail"]
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 10:52:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
i have a contingent interest in a standard poodle
A "contingent interest?"
Is this contingent upon the demise of Mrs. Sharpshooter or Mr. (or God
forbid) Ms. Poodle?
In any event, I hope you and the duck lady and Rudy's turkeys will all be
very happy together. Not.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 10:52:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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poodle</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>A "contingent interest?" </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is this contingent upon the demise of Mrs. Sharpshooter or Mr. (or God=20
forbid) Ms. Poodle?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In any event, I hope you and the duck lady and Rudy's turkeys will all=20=
be=20
very happy together. Not.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:17:05 EDT
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 10:54:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
as opposed to six ducks armed with rpg's
I think the correct term would be "winged."
Picky, Picky, Picky is the Nose of Hosts
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 10:54:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">as opposed to six ducks armed with=20
rpg's</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I think the correct term would be "winged."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:19:31 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
Pam,
Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. It's nice to know
that th rest of them are wrong.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D444375416-13072004>Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not=20
Resuscitate?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Pam,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. It's nic=
e to=20
know that th rest of them are wrong.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:30:55 -0500
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry=20=
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling=20=
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.
Hey we made the national news! Cool!
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
> Pam,
> =A0
> Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines.=A0 It's nice =
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> know that th rest of them are wrong.
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Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed
carry law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs
telling everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they
belong.
Hey we made the national news! Cool!
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>In a message
dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
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MS</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Does=
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller><x-tad-smaller>Once again,
you and I are thinking along the same lines.=A0 It's nice to know that
th rest of them are =
wrong.</x-tad-smaller></smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><excerpt>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:32:56 EDT
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: from my mother...
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:13:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
...about a story I wrote concerning some 1886 rowhouses on 78th and West
End, with fiery red brick:
Lemme get this straight: You wrote this story, got paid to write this
story, cashed and deposited the check you received for having written this story,
bought a yacht and waxed your porch screens with the proceeds of having
written this story which you didn't pay in taxes, and now WE'RE supposed to
explain to your Mom what you meant?
I don't think so. Certainly not before your dues are brought up to date.
Or at least the beginning of the century.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:13:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">...about a story I wrote concerning so=
me=20
1886 rowhouses on 78th and West End, with fiery red=20
brick:</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Lemme get this straight: You wrote this story, got paid to write=20=
this=20
story, cashed and deposited the check you received for having written this=20
story, bought a yacht and waxed your porch screens with the proceeds of havi=
ng=20
written this story which you didn't pay in taxes, and now WE'RE suppos=
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to explain to your Mom what you meant? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think so. Certainly not before your dues are brought up t=
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<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:34:09 EDT
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:32:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.
Hey we made the national news! Cool!
Can't say we haven't been warned.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 6:32:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=
=3D2>Good=20
newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry=20
<BR>law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs=20
telling <BR>everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they=20
belong.<BR><BR>Hey we made the national news! =20
Cool!<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Can't say we haven't been warned. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:28:55 EDT
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Subject: You saw it here second
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From the obituary page of the July 14, 2004 Summit [NJ]) Independent Press:
Euphemia 'Lovey' Trucksess,
93, 'First Lady of Summit'
Can anybody tell me how to send this in to The New Yorker (yes, The New
Yorker)?
Ralph
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<DIV>From the obituary page of the July 14, 2004 <EM>Summit [NJ]) Independen=
t=20
Press:</EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Euphemia 'Lovey' Trucksess,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>93, 'First Lady of Summit'</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV>Can anybody tell me how to send this in to The New Yorker (yes, The New=
=20
Yorker)?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:33:10 -0400
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Subject: FW: Harmon House
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So, I know y'all can help here. We haven't been able to get around to =
repointing our place so we really don't have any answers for Steve =
Billings. I seem to recall perhaps ][<en referred Steve Cosky (sp?), =
but that could have been for something else. I also recall some of the =
questions we should ask when looking for someone, such as how they =
colour match the mortar and such, but a refresher course might be in =
order.
=20
Thanks.
=20
- Pam=20
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From: Richard Stevenson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:54 AM
To: Pamela Stevenson
Subject: Fw: Harmon House
Hmm ..... sounds familiar ! Maybe we can help him/each other ??
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R
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stephen Billings <mailto:[log in to unmask]> =20
To: Richard Stevenson <mailto:[log in to unmask]> =20
Sent: July 13, 2004 21:04
Subject: Re: Harmon House
Richard,
Most any time will be fine with some advanced notice.=20
I'm doing some research myself; on cobblestone maintenance. Have you =
done any repointing of your home or do you have a stone mason that =
maintains yours? I'm trying to get recommendations for the proper =
mixture of sand and lime and I'm also looking for a source of sand that =
matches the sand used in the original mortar here. Keystone Building =
Supply in the city has lime, but so far I haven't been able to find a =
source of sand the right texture and color.=20
Do you have a mortar mix recipe that you use?
Steve
At 03:03 PM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:
Good afternoon,
=20
Thanks very much for the information - and apologies for any confusion!
=20
We'd love to come and take you up on your offer of pictures - that =
would be excellent. As regards the actual information, we unfortunately =
have very little, and "borrowed" it from somewhere else. I believe the =
Phelps Historical Society has additional information - which we'd be =
happy to check into.
=20
The pages you see on the web site now are what we launched with in =
March. We do have plans to do features on as many of the cobblestones =
in Phelps (town/village) as we can - we too live in a cobblestone - in =
the Village of Phelps - and find them fascinating.
=20
If it's okay, we'd like to call you on a sunny day and come over with =
our digital camera one day in the next two to three weeks.
=20
Thanks and regards,
Richard.
=20
Richard J Stevenson
CobbleSoft International Ltd. (PhelpsNY.com Webmasters)
www.cobblesoft.com
US/Can Toll-Free: 866-380-6716
International: +1 315 548 5810
=09
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stephen Billings <mailto:[log in to unmask]> =20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: July 12, 2004 14:52
Subject: Harmon House
=09
I came across your web page "Phelps New York Photographic Gallery ~=20
Cobblestone Architecture" during a web search and was excited but a =
little=20
confused by your web page's last paragraph. You refer to the The =
Phelps=20
Baptist Church on Church Street and the Harmon House, a farmhouse and=20
smokehouse on Smith Road and this excited me because we live in the =
Harmon=20
House and as I sit here, I'm overlooking the yard and smokehouse you =
refer=20
to. I'm confused though because the photographs with the story are of =
the=20
Phelps Baptist Church and a cobblestone house, but it is not the =
Harmon House.
=09
My wife and I moved into the Harmon House a little over a year ago and =
invite you to come and take pictures for your web site if you would =
like a=20
picture that matches your story. We would also welcome any information =
about our home that you may have to share with us.
=09
Steve & Joanne Billings
983 Smith Road
Clifton Springs, NY
=09
462-9521
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D467263012-14072004>So, I know y'all can help here. We =
haven't been=20
able to get around to repointing our place so we really don't have any =
answers=20
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Steve Cosky=20
(sp?), but that could have been for something else. I also =
recall=20
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how they=20
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class=3D467263012-14072004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D467263012-14072004>Thanks.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D467263012-14072004>- Pam </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Richard Stevenson=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 14, =
2004=20
6:54 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Pamela Stevenson<BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Harmon=20
House<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Hmm ..... sounds familiar ! =
Maybe we can=20
help him/each other ??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>R</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" [log in to unmask]>Stephen =
Billings</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"=20
[log in to unmask]>Richard Stevenson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> July 13, 2004 21:04</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Harmon House</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Richard,<BR><BR>Most any time will be fine with some =
advanced=20
notice. <BR><BR>I'm doing some research myself; on cobblestone =
maintenance. Have=20
you done any repointing of your home or do you have a stone mason that =
maintains=20
yours? I'm trying to get recommendations for the proper mixture of sand =
and lime=20
and I'm also looking for a source of sand that matches the sand used in =
the=20
original mortar here. Keystone Building Supply in the city has lime, but =
so far=20
I haven't been able to find a source of sand the right texture and =
color.=20
<BR><BR>Do you have a mortar mix recipe that you use?<BR><BR>Steve<BR>At =
03:03=20
PM 7/12/2004 -0400, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite type=3D"cite" cite><FONT face=3Dverdana =
size=3D2>Good=20
afternoon,</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Dverdana size=3D2>Thanks =
very much for=20
the information - and apologies for any =
confusion!</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana size=3D2>We'd love to come and take you up on your =
offer of=20
pictures - that would be excellent. As regards the actual =
information,=20
we unfortunately have very little, and "borrowed" it from somewhere=20
else. I believe the Phelps Historical Society has additional =
information=20
- which we'd be happy to check into.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT =
face=3Dverdana=20
size=3D2>The pages you see on the web site now are what we launched =
with in=20
March. We do have plans to do features on as many of the =
cobblestones in=20
Phelps (town/village) as we can - we too live in a cobblestone - in =
the=20
Village of Phelps - and find them =
fascinating.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3Dverdana size=3D2>If it's okay, we'd like to call you on a sunny =
day and=20
come over with our digital camera one day in the next two to three=20
weeks.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Dverdana size=3D2>Thanks and=20
regards,</FONT><BR><FONT face=3Dverdana=20
size=3D2>Richard.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=3Dverdana =
size=3D2>Richard J=20
Stevenson<BR>CobbleSoft International Ltd. (PhelpsNY.com =
Webmasters)<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.cobblesoft.com">www.cobblesoft.com</A><BR>US/Can =
Toll-Free:=20
866-380-6716<BR>International: +1 315 548 5810<BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite type=3D"cite" cite>----- Original Message =
-----=20
<BR><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Stephen =
Billings</A>=20
<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> July 12, 2004 14:52<BR><B>Subject:</B> Harmon=20
House<BR><BR>I came across your web page "Phelps New York =
Photographic=20
Gallery ~ <BR>Cobblestone Architecture" during a web search =
and was=20
excited but a little <BR>confused by your web page's last paragraph. =
You=20
refer to the The Phelps <BR>Baptist Church on Church Street and the =
Harmon=20
House, a farmhouse and <BR>smokehouse on Smith Road and this excited =
me=20
because we live in the Harmon <BR>House and as I sit here, I'm =
overlooking=20
the yard and smokehouse you refer <BR>to. I'm confused though =
because the=20
photographs with the story are of the <BR>Phelps Baptist Church and =
a=20
cobblestone house, but it is not the Harmon House.<BR><BR>My wife =
and I=20
moved into the Harmon House a little over a year ago and <BR>invite =
you to=20
come and take pictures for your web site if you would like a =
<BR>picture=20
that matches your story. We would also welcome any information =
<BR>about our=20
home that you may have to share with us.<BR><BR>Steve & Joanne=20
Billings<BR>983 Smith Road<BR>Clifton Springs,=20
NY<BR><BR>462-9521</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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Ralph -
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We'll get them thinking straight eventually.
=20
- Pam
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From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
=09
=09
=09
In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
=09
Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
Pam,
=20
Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. It's nice to =
know that th rest of them are wrong.
=20
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D260323412-14072004>We'll get them thinking straight=20
eventually.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D260323412-14072004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
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Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy bent =
lead pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:20=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 =
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D444375416-13072004>Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not=20
Resuscitate?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Pam,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. =
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How to use DNR and NRA in the same sentence.....
=20
Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, announced today that if he were =
ever in a coma, he'd hope they would put DNR on his chart.
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
=09
=09
Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry =
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling =
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.=20
Hey we made the national news! Cool!=20
-jc=20
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:=20
In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
Pam,
=20
Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. It's nice to =
know that th rest of them are wrong.
=20
Ralph
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class=3D270533412-14072004>How to use DNR and NRA in the same=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D270533412-14072004>Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, =
announced today=20
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chart.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy =
bent lead=20
pipe. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>John Callan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:31 =
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<DIV>Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed =
carry=20
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling =
everyone=20
to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong. </DIV><BR>
<DIV>Hey we made the national news! Cool! </DIV><BR>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote: </DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 =
PM=20
Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><SMALL>Doesn't DNR=20
usually stand for Do Not =
Resuscitate?</SMALL></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial><SMALL>Pam,</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial><SMALL> </SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>Once again, you and I are thinking =
along the=20
same lines. It's nice to know that th rest of them are=20
wrong.</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial><SMALL> </SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT =
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Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
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How intolerant!
-jc
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> We'll get them thinking straight eventually.
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How intolerant!
-jc
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Wow! Not only did you use DNR and NRA in the same statement, but its a=20=
statement I agree with!
-jc
On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:35 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
> How to use DNR and NRA in the same sentence.....
> =A0
> Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, announced today that if he were=20=
> ever in a coma, he'd hope they would put DNR on his chart.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Easy bent lead pipe.=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John=20=
> Callan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:31 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
>
> Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry=20=
> law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling=20=
> everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.
>
>
> Hey we made the national news! Cool!
>
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
> Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?
>
>
> Pam,
>
>
> =A0
>
>
> Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines.=A0 It's nice =
to=20
> know that th rest of them are wrong.
>
>
> =A0
>
>
> Ralph
>
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Wow! Not only did you use DNR and NRA in the same statement, but its
a statement I agree with!
-jc
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Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
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Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.
Hey we made the national news! Cool!
-jc
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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MS</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>Doesn't
DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Pam,</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>=A0</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Once again, you and I are
thinking along the same lines.=A0 It's nice to know that th rest of them
are wrong.</smaller></fontfamily>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:17:49 -0400
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Pamela Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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Funny how you can disagree with me one minute and then agree with me the =
next. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:10 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
=09
=09
Wow! Not only did you use DNR and NRA in the same statement, but its a =
statement I agree with!=20
-jc=20
On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:35 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:=20
How to use DNR and NRA in the same sentence.....
Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, announced today that if he were =
ever in a coma, he'd hope they would put DNR on his chart.
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John =
Callan
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the concealed carry =
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs telling =
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.=20
Hey we made the national news! Cool!=20
-jc=20
On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:=20
In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:=20
Doesn't DNR usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?=20
Pam,=20
=20
Once again, you and I are thinking along the same lines. It's nice to =
know that th rest of them are wrong.=20
=20
Ralph=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D612051713-14072004>Funny how you can disagree with me one minute =
and then=20
agree with me the next. :-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy =
bent lead=20
pipe. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>John Callan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:10 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
SLAY=20
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<DIV>Wow! Not only did you use DNR and NRA in the same statement, but =
its a=20
statement I agree with! </DIV>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:35 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote: </DIV><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SMALL>How =
to use DNR=20
and NRA in the same =
sentence.....</SMALL></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><SMALL>Charlton Heston,=20
president of the NRA, announced today that if he were ever in a =
coma, he'd=20
hope they would put DNR on his =
chart.</SMALL></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>-----Original=20
Message-----</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>From:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Easy bent lead pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>John=20
Callan</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>Sent:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:31=20
PM</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>To:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>=20
=
[log in to unmask]</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOT=
E>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<DIV><B><FONT =
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL>Subject:</SMALL></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DHelvetica><SMALL> Re: [BP] SLAY MOST=20
FOWL</SMALL></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
<DIV>Good newz from Minnersoda! A county judge declared the =
concealed carry=20
law unconstitutional! Now we can take down those damned signs =
telling=20
everyone to leave their guns out in their trucks where they belong.=20
</DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>Hey we made the national news! Cool! </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>-jc </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV>On Jul 13, 2004, at 5:19 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:=20
</DIV><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:56:56 =
PM=20
Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</SMALL></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><SMALL>Doesn't DNR=20
usually stand for Do Not Resuscitate?</SMALL></FONT></FONT> =
</DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>Pam,</SMALL></FONT> </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL> </SMALL></FONT> </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>Once again, you and I are thinking =
along the=20
same lines. It's nice to know that th rest of them are=20
wrong.</SMALL></FONT> </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL> </SMALL></FONT> </DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SMALL>Ralph</SMALL></FONT>=20
</DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:49:23 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
We'll get them thinking straight eventually
If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, you're nuts. But
you aren't.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
FONT=20
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size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D260323412-14072004>We'll get them thinking straight=20
eventually</SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, you're=20
nuts. But you aren't.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:50:21 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, announced today that if he were ever
in a coma, he'd hope they would put DNR on his chart.
Why doesn't he just tell them to shoot him, in that case?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D270533412-14072004>Charlton Heston, president of the NRA, announce=
d=20
today that if he were ever in a coma, he'd hope they would put DNR on his=20
chart.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Why doesn't he just tell them to shoot him, in that case? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:51:03 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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In a message dated 7/14/2004 9:09:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
How intolerant!
-jc
On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:34 AM, Pamela Stevenson wrote:
>
> We'll get them thinking straight eventually.
Au contraire. This for everyone's own good.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/14/2004 9:09:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
FONT=20
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=3D2>How=20
intolerant!<BR>-jc<BR><BR>On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:34 AM, Pamela Stevenson=20
wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>> We'll get them thinking straight=20
eventually.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Au contraire. This for everyone's own good.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:56:58 -0400
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: "Pamela S. Follett" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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Ralph -
I am nuts. That's why tomorrow's my last day at RIT and then I stop =
getting paid the big bucks and figure out if opening a coffee shop is =
such a cool idea. I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's =
ever coming through town.
- Pam
BTW folks, officially, I''m supposed to say "Hi" now since I'm just =
signed up with this email address and the list server told me I had to. =
So, Hi.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 21:49
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
We'll get them thinking straight eventually
If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, you're nuts. =
But you aren't.
Ralph
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<DIV>Ralph -</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am nuts. That's why tomorrow's my last day at RIT and then =
I stop=20
getting paid the big bucks and figure out if opening a coffee shop is =
such a=20
cool idea. I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's =
ever=20
coming through town.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Pam</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW folks, officially, I''m supposed to say "Hi" now since I'm just =
signed=20
up with this email address and the list server told me I had to. =
So,=20
Hi.</DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 14, 2004=20
21:49</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] SLAY MOST =
FOWL</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, <A =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px =
solid"><FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D260323412-14072004>We'll get them thinking straight=20
eventually</SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, =
you're=20
nuts. But you aren't.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ralph</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Bruce Marcham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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So you're actually going to quit academia to open a coffee shop in =
downtown Phelps?!=20
=20
Are you going to sell Cobblesoft over the counter too? You've got to =
have another product for us non-coffee drinkers...
=20
Maybe some bagles, pastries, and Cornish pasties?
=20
More power to you!
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Pamela S. =
Follett
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
Ralph -
=20
I am nuts. That's why tomorrow's my last day at RIT and then I stop =
getting paid the big bucks and figure out if opening a coffee shop is =
such a cool idea. I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's =
ever coming through town.
=20
- Pam
=20
BTW folks, officially, I''m supposed to say "Hi" now since I'm just =
signed up with this email address and the list server told me I had to. =
So, Hi.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 21:49
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
We'll get them thinking straight eventually
If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, you're nuts. =
But you aren't.
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Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D275204314-15072004>So you're actually going to quit =
academia to=20
open a coffee shop in downtown Phelps?! </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D275204314-15072004>Are you going to sell Cobblesoft =
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drinkers...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D275204314-15072004>Maybe some bagles, pastries, and =
Cornish=20
pasties?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D275204314-15072004>More power to you!</SPAN></DIV>
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</B>Pamela S.=20
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<DIV>Ralph -</DIV>
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<DIV>I am nuts. That's why tomorrow's my last day at RIT and =
then I stop=20
getting paid the big bucks and figure out if opening a coffee shop is =
such a=20
cool idea. I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's =
ever=20
coming through town.</DIV>
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<DIV>- Pam</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BTW folks, officially, I''m supposed to say "Hi" now since I'm =
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<DIV>If you think I'm gonna hold my breath waiting for that, =
you're=20
nuts. But you aren't.</DIV>
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>Maybe some bagles, pastries, and Cornish pasties?
If business isn't so great initially, you might try American pasties.
But you gotta get the right wait staff. If you need assistance with review of their qualifications, there are several of us who might be able to tear ourselves away from our otherwise pressing obligations to give you a hand.
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reason.
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In a message dated 7/15/2004 10:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bruce =
Marcham <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>
>Maybe some bagles, pastries, and Cornish pasties?
If business isn't so great initially, you might try American pasties.
But you gotta get the right wait staff. If you need assistance with =
review of their qualifications, there are several of us who might be =
able to tear ourselves away from our otherwise pressing obligations to =
give you a hand.
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Subject: Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and
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Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and Tennessee, 2003
Trichinellosis is a parasitic infection caused by tissue-dwelling Trichinell=
a=20
roundworms and is associated traditionally with ingestion of pork from=20
infected domestic swine. As a result of improvements in swine production,=20
trichinellosis has declined steadily in the United States (1). However, infe=
ction also=20
can result from eating the meat of wild animals. During 1997--2001, a total=20=
of=20
72 cases of trichinellosis (median: 12 cases annually; range: 11--23 cases)=20
were reported to CDC; the majority of these infections were associated with=20
eating wild game, predominantly bear. This report describes three cases of=20
trichinellosis associated with eating undercooked bear meat reported from Ne=
w York=20
and Tennessee in 2003. To prevent trichinellosis, persons should cook meat,=20
particularly wild game, to an internal temperature of 160=BA F (71=BA C) (1)=
.=20
Case Reports=20
New York. In December 2003, the New York State Department of Health was=20
notified of a trichinellosis case in a man aged 54 years who resided in Fran=
klin=20
County. The patient had been hospitalized in a tertiary care center in early=
=20
November with a 3-week history of diaphoresis, fever, weakness, tachycardia,=
=20
diarrhea, an 8-pound weight loss, and dry cough. Laboratory testing indicate=
d an=20
elevated white blood cell (WBC) count (20,600/mm3 [normal: 5,000--10,000/mm3=
]=20
with 33% eosinophils), hyponatremia (123 mmol sodium/L [normal: 136--145 mmo=
l=20
sodium/L]), elevated lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) (823 U/L [normal: 313--618=20
U/L]), and elevated creatinine phosphokinase (CPK) (1,554 U/L [normal: 10--2=
50=20
U/L]).=20
The patient reported eating approximately 2 pounds of nearly raw bear meat=20
during several meals 2 weeks before onset of symptoms. The meat had come fro=
m a=20
custom slaughter house in upstate New York and had been frozen at -4=B0 F (-=
20=B0=20
C) for approximately 1 week before ingestion. Because of suspicion of=20
trichinellosis infection, albendazole and corticosteroids were administered.=
Weakness=20
and fatigue persisted through late December 2003. The patient recovered full=
y=20
by February 2004.=20
Serum specimens collected on the third hospital day for antibody testing of=20
Trichinella and other helminths were reported negative by a commercial=20
reference laboratory. A serum specimen collected on the 11th hospital day an=
d sent to=20
CDC for Trichinella antibody testing was positive by enzyme-linked=20
immunoassay.=20
The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC)'s=20
Wildlife Pathology Unit recovered nine packages of bear meat from multiple b=
ears=20
from the patient's freezer and identified Trichinella spp. larvae in five of=
the=20
seven packages examined. Muscle digestion with artificial gastric juice=20
yielded 0.5--48.0 larvae per gram of bear meat. The remaining two packages o=
f meat=20
were examined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), which identified=
=20
Trichinella nativa by polymerase chain reaction (PCR).=20
Tennessee. In November 2003, the Tennessee Department of Health received a=20
report of two cases of trichinellosis in persons residing in Claiborne Count=
y.=20
In early October, a man aged 38 years and a woman aged 54 years were admitte=
d=20
to a hospital with 7-day and 14-day histories of fever, respectively, chills=
,=20
headache, myalgias, arthralgias, and facial swelling. The man's WBC count wa=
s=20
14,600/mm3, with 24% eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes, and 2% monocytes. The=20
woman's WBC count was 16,200/mm3, with 28% eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes, and=
3%=20
monocytes. Serum obtained from both patients tested positive for Trichinella=
=20
antibodies, and both were started on a course of albendazole and corticoster=
oids.=20
Both patients have recovered fully.=20
Questioning of the patients revealed that, in late August 2003, the man had=20
shot a black bear (Ursus americanus) in Canada. The bear was field dressed,=20=
and=20
selected meat was packed on ice for transport to Tennessee. On August 31, th=
e=20
man and woman prepared and cooked the bear meat on an outdoor grill for=20
themselves and four other persons. The man and woman ate their steaks medium=
rare;=20
the four others ate their steaks well done. The remaining meat was packaged=20
for storage in a household freezer, and the family continued to consume the=20=
meat=20
during September.=20
In December, samples of the bear meat were examined histologically at the=20
University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. Numerous Trichinella=
=20
larvae were observed encysted in characteristic hyalinized capsules in the=20
striated muscle tissue (Figure). The larvae had diameters of approximately 3=
0--35 =B5m,=20
and the diagnostic morphology of the stichosome was apparent at high (400x)=20
magnification. Further testing of the bear meat at USDA recovered live larva=
e=20
(estimated infection intensity: 350--400 larvae per gram of muscle), and PCR=
=20
results were consistent with the genotype T. nativa.=20
Reported by: P Smith, MD, M Eidson, DVM, A Willsey, DVM, B Wallace, MD, M=20
Kacica, MD, G Johnson, M Frary-Pelletieri, MS, A Burns, MS, New York State D=
ept=20
of Health; W Stone, ScD, New York State Dept of Environmental Conservation.=20=
J=20
Narro, MD, Univ of Tennessee Medical Center; C Faulkner, PhD, D Rotstein, DV=
M,=20
Univ of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, Knoxville; L Sheeler, PhD,=
P=20
Erwin, MD, Tennessee Dept of Health. B Kirkpatrick, MD, Univ of Vermont=20
College of Medicine, Burlington, Vermont. D Zarlenga, PhD, U.S. Dept of=20
Agriculture. P Schantz, VMD, Div of Parasitic Diseases, National Center for=20=
Infectious=20
Diseases; F Coronado, MD, EIS Officer, CDC.=20
Editorial Note:
Undercooked wild game has emerged in recent years as a predominant source fo=
r=20
infection with Trichinella (2,3) (Box). During 1997--2001, of the 52 (72%)=20
U.S. cases in which a source of infection was known or suspected, pork produ=
cts=20
were associated with 21 (40%) cases, and wild game was associated with 31=20
(60%), including 29 cases linked to bear meat (1). In Canada, the majority o=
f=20
trichinellosis outbreaks during the previous three decades were attributed t=
o=20
eating meat from wild animals (3).=20
Increasing local bear populations combined with the popularity of bear=20
hunting in the northeastern United States and Canada might contribute to inc=
reased=20
cases of Trichinella infection. In 2003, in New York state, a record number=20=
of=20
approximately 1,850 bears were reported killed by hunters (4). NYSDEC provid=
es=20
information about trichinellosis and proper cooking instructions for wild=20
game with each bear-hunting license issued. However, the meat from hunted an=
imals=20
often is given away and eaten by persons who are unaware of the need to cook=
=20
the meat thoroughly enough to kill larvae. Multiple exposures also can occur=
=20
when bear meat is served at wild game parties. Whereas freezing at specified=
=20
temperatures kills T. spiralis larvae in pork, T. nativa is a freeze-resista=
nt=20
species that remains viable after freezing, even for months or years. The th=
ree=20
cases described in this report were the result of eating improperly cooked=20
bear meat infected with T. nativa.=20
Educational messages concerning the risks of eating meat cooked improperly d=
o=20
not always reach persons at risk for trichinellosis (2). To prevent future=20
cases of trichinellosis, health-education messages should target wild game=20
hunters who are most at risk for Trichinella infection (3). Information on t=
he=20
parasite and proper cooking should be made available at points of wild game=20
distribution, such as custom butchers and game meat processors. To prevent=20
trichinellosis, consumers should be advised to monitor for an adequate cooki=
ng=20
temperature of 160=B0 F (71=B0 C) (1) and observe the color and texture of t=
he meat during=20
cooking. A change in color from red to dark gray throughout and a change in=20
texture such that muscle fibers are easily separated from each other are=20
indicators that meat has been rendered safe to eat (3,5). However, game meat=
s such=20
as bear are very dark, making interpretation of color changes difficult; for=
=20
these, adequate cooking might be better judged by texture and temperature. U=
SDA=20
recommends a higher temperature to allow for different cooking methods (e.g.=
,=20
microwave cooking) that might result in uneven temperature distributions=20
throughout the meat (6).=20
Symptoms associated with classic trichinellosis from T. spiralis include=20
fever, facial edema, myalgias, muscle swelling, and weakness. However, as=20
demonstrated in the T. nativa cases described in this report, some of these=20=
symptoms=20
might be absent. Eosinophilia typically is present in cases of trichinellosi=
s,=20
and elevated blood levels of muscle enzymes (e.g., LDH and CPK) also are=20
common. Physicians should consider trichinellosis in any ill person with=20
eosinophilia and a history of eating wild game. Suspected cases should be re=
ported to=20
state health departments.=20
References
CDC. Trichinellosis surveillance---United States, 1997--2001. In: CDC=20
Surveillance Summaries (July 25). MMWR 2003;52(No. SS-6):1--8.=20
Dworkin M, Gamble H, Zarlenga D, Tennican P. Outbreak of trichinellosis=20
associated with eating cougar jerky. J Infect Dis 1996;174:663--6.=20
Schellenberg R, Tan B, Irvine J, et al. An outbreak of trichinellosis due to=
=20
consumption of bear meat infected with Trichinella nativa in two northern=20
Saskatchewan communities. J Infect Dis 2003;188:835--43.=20
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. Historic black bear=
=20
harvest data. Available at=20
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/wildgame/beartake.htm.=20
Gamble HR, Bessonov AS, Cuperlovic K, et al. International Commission on=20
Trichinellosis: recommendations on methods for the control of Trichinella in=
=20
domestic and wild animals intended for human consumption. Vet Parasitol=20
2000;93:393--408.=20
Gamble HR. Parasites associated with pork and pork products. Rev Sci Tech=20
1997;16:496--506.=20
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<P></P>
<P>Trichinellosis is a parasitic infection caused by tissue-dwelling <I>Tric=
hinella</I> roundworms and is associated traditionally with ingestion of por=
k from infected domestic swine. As a result of improvements in swine product=
ion, trichinellosis has declined steadily in the United States (<I><A href=
=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>). Howev=
er, infection also can result from eating the meat of wild animals. During 1=
997--2001, a total of 72 cases of trichinellosis (median: 12 cases annually;=
range: 11--23 cases) were reported to CDC; the majority of these infections=
were associated with eating wild game, predominantly bear. This report desc=
ribes three cases of trichinellosis associated with eating undercooked bear=20=
meat reported from New York and Tennessee in 2003. To prevent trichinellosis=
, persons should cook meat, particularly wild game, to an internal temperatu=
re of 160<SUP>=BA</SUP> F (71<SUP>=BA</SUP> C) (<I><A href=3D"http://www.cdc=
.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>).=20
<H4><B>Case Reports</B> </H4>
<P></P>
<P><B>New York.</B> In December 2003, the New York State Department of Healt=
h was notified of a trichinellosis case in a man aged 54 years who resided i=
n Franklin County. The patient had been hospitalized in a tertiary care cent=
er in early November with a 3-week history of diaphoresis, fever, weakness,=20=
tachycardia, diarrhea, an 8-pound weight loss, and dry cough. Laboratory tes=
ting indicated an elevated white blood cell (WBC) count (20,600/mm<SUP>3</SU=
P> [normal: 5,000--10,000/mm<SUP>3</SUP>] with 33% eosinophils), hyponatremi=
a (123 mmol sodium/L [normal: 136--145 mmol sodium/L]), elevated lactate deh=
ydrogenase (LDH) (823 U/L [normal: 313--618 U/L]), and elevated creatinine p=
hosphokinase (CPK) (1,554 U/L [normal: 10--250 U/L]). </P>
<P>The patient reported eating approximately 2 pounds of nearly raw bear mea=
t during several meals 2 weeks before onset of symptoms. The meat had come f=
rom a custom slaughter house in upstate New York and had been frozen at -4<S=
UP>=B0</SUP> F (-20<SUP>=B0</SUP> C) for approximately 1 week before ingesti=
on. Because of suspicion of trichinellosis infection, albendazole and cortic=
osteroids were administered. Weakness and fatigue persisted through late Dec=
ember 2003. The patient recovered fully by February 2004. </P>
<P>Serum specimens collected on the third hospital day for antibody testing=20=
of <I>Trichinella</I> and other helminths were reported negative by a commer=
cial reference laboratory. A serum specimen collected on the 11th hospital d=
ay and sent to CDC for <I>Trichinella</I> antibody testing was positive by e=
nzyme-linked immunoassay. </P>
<P>The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC)'s Wi=
ldlife Pathology Unit recovered nine packages of bear meat from multiple bea=
rs from the patient's freezer and identified <I>Trichinella</I> spp. larvae=20=
in five of the seven packages examined. Muscle digestion with artificial gas=
tric juice yielded 0.5--48.0 larvae per gram of bear meat. The remaining two=
packages of meat were examined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)=
, which identified <I>Trichinella nativa</I> by polymerase chain reaction (P=
CR). </P>
<P><B>Tennessee.</B> In November 2003, the Tennessee Department of Health re=
ceived a report of two cases of trichinellosis in persons residing in Claibo=
rne County. In early October, a man aged 38 years and a woman aged 54 years=20=
were admitted to a hospital with 7-day and 14-day histories of fever, respec=
tively, chills, headache, myalgias, arthralgias, and facial swelling. The ma=
n's WBC count was 14,600/mm<SUP>3</SUP>, with 24% eosinophils, 13% lymphocyt=
es, and 2% monocytes. The woman's WBC count was 16,200/mm<SUP>3</SUP>, with=20=
28% eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes, and 3% monocytes. Serum obtained from both=
patients tested positive for <I>Trichinella</I> antibodies, and both were s=
tarted on a course of albendazole and corticosteroids. Both patients have re=
covered fully. </P>
<P>Questioning of the patients revealed that, in late August 2003, the man h=
ad shot a black bear (<I>Ursus americanus</I>) in Canada. The bear was field=
dressed, and selected meat was packed on ice for transport to Tennessee. On=
August 31, the man and woman prepared and cooked the bear meat on an outdoo=
r grill for themselves and four other persons. The man and woman ate their s=
teaks medium rare; the four others ate their steaks well done. The remaining=
meat was packaged for storage in a household freezer, and the family contin=
ued to consume the meat during September. </P>
<P>In December, samples of the bear meat were examined histologically at the=
University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. Numerous <I>Trichin=
ella</I> larvae were observed encysted in characteristic hyalinized capsules=
in the striated muscle tissue (<A href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/m=
mwrhtml/mm5327a2.htm#fig">Figure</A>). The larvae had diameters of approxima=
tely 30--35 <I>=B5</I>m, and the diagnostic morphology of the stichosome was=
apparent at high (400x) magnification. Further testing of the bear meat at=20=
USDA recovered live larvae (estimated infection intensity: 350--400 larvae p=
er gram of muscle), and PCR results were consistent with the genotype <I>T.=20=
nativa</I>. </P>
<P><B>Reported by:</B><I> P Smith, MD, M Eidson, DVM, A Willsey, DVM, B Wall=
ace, MD, M Kacica, MD, G Johnson, M Frary-Pelletieri, MS, A Burns, MS, New Y=
ork State Dept of Health; W Stone, ScD, New York State Dept of Environmental=
Conservation. J Narro, MD, Univ of Tennessee Medical Center; C Faulkner, Ph=
D, D Rotstein, DVM, Univ of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, Knoxvi=
lle; L Sheeler, PhD, P Erwin, MD, Tennessee Dept of Health. B Kirkpatrick, M=
D, Univ of Vermont College of Medicine, Burlington, Vermont. D Zarlenga, PhD=
, U.S. Dept of Agriculture. P Schantz, VMD, Div of Parasitic Diseases, Natio=
nal Center for Infectious Diseases; F Coronado, MD, EIS Officer, CDC. </I>
<H3>Editorial Note:</H3>
<P></P>
<P>Undercooked wild game has emerged in recent years as a predominant source=
for infection with <I>Trichinella</I> (<I>2,3</I>) (<A href=3D"http://www.c=
dc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5327a2.htm#box">Box</A>). During 1997--2001,=20=
of the 52 (72%) U.S. cases in which a source of infection was known or suspe=
cted, pork products were associated with 21 (40%) cases, and wild game was a=
ssociated with 31 (60%), including 29 cases linked to bear meat (<I><A href=
=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>). In Ca=
nada, the majority of trichinellosis outbreaks during the previous three dec=
ades were attributed to eating meat from wild animals (<I>3</I>). </P>
<P>Increasing local bear populations combined with the popularity of bear hu=
nting in the northeastern United States and Canada might contribute to incre=
ased cases of <I>Trichinella</I> infection. In 2003, in New York state, a re=
cord number of approximately 1,850 bears were reported killed by hunters (<I=
>4</I>). NYSDEC provides information about trichinellosis and proper cooking=
instructions for wild game with each bear-hunting license issued. However,=20=
the meat from hunted animals often is given away and eaten by persons who ar=
e unaware of the need to cook the meat thoroughly enough to kill larvae. Mul=
tiple exposures also can occur when bear meat is served at wild game parties=
. Whereas freezing at specified temperatures kills <I>T. spiralis</I> larvae=
in pork, <I>T. nativa</I> is a freeze-resistant species that remains viable=
after freezing, even for months or years. The three cases described in this=
report were the result of eating improperly cooked bear meat infected with=20=
<I>T. nativa</I>. </P>
<P>Educational messages concerning the risks of eating meat cooked improperl=
y do not always reach persons at risk for trichinellosis (<I>2</I>). To prev=
ent future cases of trichinellosis, health-education messages should target=20=
wild game hunters who are most at risk for <I>Trichinella</I> infection (<I>=
3</I>). Information on the parasite and proper cooking should be made availa=
ble at points of wild game distribution, such as custom butchers and game me=
at processors. To prevent trichinellosis, consumers should be advised to mon=
itor for an adequate cooking temperature of 160<SUP>=B0</SUP> F (71<SUP>=B0<=
/SUP> C) (<I><A href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.ht=
m">1</A></I>) and observe the color and texture of the meat during cooking.=20=
A change in color from red to dark gray throughout and a change in texture s=
uch that muscle fibers are easily separated from each other are indicators t=
hat meat has been rendered safe to eat (<I>3,5</I>). However, game meats suc=
h as bear are very dark, making interpretation of color changes difficult; f=
or these, adequate cooking might be better judged by texture and temperature=
. USDA recommends a higher temperature to allow for different cooking method=
s (e.g., microwave cooking) that might result in uneven temperature distribu=
tions throughout the meat (<I>6</I>). </P>
<P>Symptoms associated with classic trichinellosis from <I>T. spiralis</I> i=
nclude fever, facial edema, myalgias, muscle swelling, and weakness. However=
, as demonstrated in the <I>T. nativa</I> cases described in this report, so=
me of these symptoms might be absent. Eosinophilia typically is present in c=
ases of trichinellosis, and elevated blood levels of muscle enzymes (e.g., L=
DH and CPK) also are common. Physicians should consider trichinellosis in an=
y ill person with eosinophilia and a history of eating wild game. Suspected=20=
cases should be reported to state health departments.=20
<H3>References</B></H3>
<P></P>
<OL>
<LI><A href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">CDC. T=
richinellosis surveillance---United States, 1997--2001. In: CDC Surveillance=
Summaries (July 25). MMWR 2003;52(No. SS-6):1--8.</A>=20
<LI>Dworkin M, Gamble H, Zarlenga D, Tennican P. Outbreak of trichinellosis=20=
associated with eating cougar jerky. J Infect Dis 1996;174:663--6.=20
<LI>Schellenberg R, Tan B, Irvine J, et al. An outbreak of trichinellosis du=
e to consumption of bear meat infected with <I>Trichinella nativa</I> in two=
northern Saskatchewan communities. J Infect Dis 2003;188:835--43.=20
<LI>New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. Historic black=20=
bear harvest data. Available at <A href=3D"http://www.dec.state.ny.us/websit=
e/dfwmr/wildlife/wildgame/beartake.htm">http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/d=
fwmr/wildlife/wildgame/beartake.htm</A>.=20
<LI>Gamble HR, Bessonov AS, Cuperlovic K, et al. International Commission on=
Trichinellosis: recommendations on methods for the control of <I>Trichinell=
a</I> in domestic and wild animals intended for human consumption. Vet Paras=
itol 2000;93:393--408.=20
<LI>Gamble HR. Parasites associated with pork and pork products. Rev Sci Tec=
h 1997;16:496--506. </LI></OL></BODY></HTML>
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Educational messages concerning the risks of eating meat cooked improperly do
not always reach persons at risk for trichinellosis (2).
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I appreciate this, all the times I've been bear hunting, I never read the
cooking instruction warning label on the bear. If only it came wrapped in
plastic on Styrofoam.
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Subject: [BP] Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and
Tennessee, 2003
Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and Tennessee, 2003
Trichinellosis is a parasitic infection caused by tissue-dwelling
Trichinella roundworms and is associated traditionally with ingestion of
pork from infected domestic swine. As a result of improvements in swine
production, trichinellosis has declined steadily in the United States (1).
However, infection also can result from eating the meat of wild animals.
During 1997--2001, a total of 72 cases of trichinellosis (median: 12 cases
annually; range: 11--23 cases) were reported to CDC; the majority of these
infections were associated with eating wild game, predominantly bear. This
report describes three cases of trichinellosis associated with eating
undercooked bear meat reported from New York and Tennessee in 2003. To
prevent trichinellosis, persons should cook meat, particularly wild game, to
an internal temperature of 160º F (71º C) (1).
Case Reports
New York. In December 2003, the New York State Department of Health was
notified of a trichinellosis case in a man aged 54 years who resided in
Franklin County. The patient had been hospitalized in a tertiary care center
in early November with a 3-week history of diaphoresis, fever, weakness,
tachycardia, diarrhea, an 8-pound weight loss, and dry cough. Laboratory
testing indicated an elevated white blood cell (WBC) count (20,600/mm3
[normal: 5,000--10,000/mm3] with 33% eosinophils), hyponatremia (123 mmol
sodium/L [normal: 136--145 mmol sodium/L]), elevated lactate dehydrogenase
(LDH) (823 U/L [normal: 313--618 U/L]), and elevated creatinine
phosphokinase (CPK) (1,554 U/L [normal: 10--250 U/L]).
The patient reported eating approximately 2 pounds of nearly raw bear meat
during several meals 2 weeks before onset of symptoms. The meat had come
from a custom slaughter house in upstate New York and had been frozen at -4°
F (-20° C) for approximately 1 week before ingestion. Because of suspicion
of trichinellosis infection, albendazole and corticosteroids were
administered. Weakness and fatigue persisted through late December 2003. The
patient recovered fully by February 2004.
Serum specimens collected on the third hospital day for antibody testing
of Trichinella and other helminths were reported negative by a commercial
reference laboratory. A serum specimen collected on the 11th hospital day
and sent to CDC for Trichinella antibody testing was positive by
enzyme-linked immunoassay.
The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (NYSDEC)'s
Wildlife Pathology Unit recovered nine packages of bear meat from multiple
bears from the patient's freezer and identified Trichinella spp. larvae in
five of the seven packages examined. Muscle digestion with artificial
gastric juice yielded 0.5--48.0 larvae per gram of bear meat. The remaining
two packages of meat were examined by the U.S. Department of Agriculture
(USDA), which identified Trichinella nativa by polymerase chain reaction
(PCR).
Tennessee. In November 2003, the Tennessee Department of Health received a
report of two cases of trichinellosis in persons residing in Claiborne
County. In early October, a man aged 38 years and a woman aged 54 years were
admitted to a hospital with 7-day and 14-day histories of fever,
respectively, chills, headache, myalgias, arthralgias, and facial swelling.
The man's WBC count was 14,600/mm3, with 24% eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes,
and 2% monocytes. The woman's WBC count was 16,200/mm3, with 28%
eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes, and 3% monocytes. Serum obtained from both
patients tested positive for Trichinella antibodies, and both were started
on a course of albendazole and corticosteroids. Both patients have recovered
fully.
Questioning of the patients revealed that, in late August 2003, the man
had shot a black bear (Ursus americanus) in Canada. The bear was field
dressed, and selected meat was packed on ice for transport to Tennessee. On
August 31, the man and woman prepared and cooked the bear meat on an outdoor
grill for themselves and four other persons. The man and woman ate their
steaks medium rare; the four others ate their steaks well done. The
remaining meat was packaged for storage in a household freezer, and the
family continued to consume the meat during September.
In December, samples of the bear meat were examined histologically at the
University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. Numerous Trichinella
larvae were observed encysted in characteristic hyalinized capsules in the
striated muscle tissue (Figure). The larvae had diameters of approximately
30--35 µm, and the diagnostic morphology of the stichosome was apparent at
high (400x) magnification. Further testing of the bear meat at USDA
recovered live larvae (estimated infection intensity: 350--400 larvae per
gram of muscle), and PCR results were consistent with the genotype T.
nativa.
Reported by: P Smith, MD, M Eidson, DVM, A Willsey, DVM, B Wallace, MD, M
Kacica, MD, G Johnson, M Frary-Pelletieri, MS, A Burns, MS, New York State
Dept of Health; W Stone, ScD, New York State Dept of Environmental
Conservation. J Narro, MD, Univ of Tennessee Medical Center; C Faulkner,
PhD, D Rotstein, DVM, Univ of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine,
Knoxville; L Sheeler, PhD, P Erwin, MD, Tennessee Dept of Health. B
Kirkpatrick, MD, Univ of Vermont College of Medicine, Burlington, Vermont. D
Zarlenga, PhD, U.S. Dept of Agriculture. P Schantz, VMD, Div of Parasitic
Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; F Coronado, MD, EIS
Officer, CDC.
Editorial Note:
Undercooked wild game has emerged in recent years as a predominant source
for infection with Trichinella (2,3) (Box). During 1997--2001, of the 52
(72%) U.S. cases in which a source of infection was known or suspected, pork
products were associated with 21 (40%) cases, and wild game was associated
with 31 (60%), including 29 cases linked to bear meat (1). In Canada, the
majority of trichinellosis outbreaks during the previous three decades were
attributed to eating meat from wild animals (3).
Increasing local bear populations combined with the popularity of bear
hunting in the northeastern United States and Canada might contribute to
increased cases of Trichinella infection. In 2003, in New York state, a
record number of approximately 1,850 bears were reported killed by hunters
(4). NYSDEC provides information about trichinellosis and proper cooking
instructions for wild game with each bear-hunting license issued. However,
the meat from hunted animals often is given away and eaten by persons who
are unaware of the need to cook the meat thoroughly enough to kill larvae.
Multiple exposures also can occur when bear meat is served at wild game
parties. Whereas freezing at specified temperatures kills T. spiralis larvae
in pork, T. nativa is a freeze-resistant species that remains viable after
freezing, even for months or years. The three cases described in this report
were the result of eating improperly cooked bear meat infected with T.
nativa.
Educational messages concerning the risks of eating meat cooked improperly
do not always reach persons at risk for trichinellosis (2). To prevent
future cases of trichinellosis, health-education messages should target wild
game hunters who are most at risk for Trichinella infection (3). Information
on the parasite and proper cooking should be made available at points of
wild game distribution, such as custom butchers and game meat processors. To
prevent trichinellosis, consumers should be advised to monitor for an
adequate cooking temperature of 160° F (71° C) (1) and observe the color and
texture of the meat during cooking. A change in color from red to dark gray
throughout and a change in texture such that muscle fibers are easily
separated from each other are indicators that meat has been rendered safe to
eat (3,5). However, game meats such as bear are very dark, making
interpretation of color changes difficult; for these, adequate cooking might
be better judged by texture and temperature. USDA recommends a higher
temperature to allow for different cooking methods (e.g., microwave cooking)
that might result in uneven temperature distributions throughout the meat
(6).
Symptoms associated with classic trichinellosis from T. spiralis include
fever, facial edema, myalgias, muscle swelling, and weakness. However, as
demonstrated in the T. nativa cases described in this report, some of these
symptoms might be absent. Eosinophilia typically is present in cases of
trichinellosis, and elevated blood levels of muscle enzymes (e.g., LDH and
CPK) also are common. Physicians should consider trichinellosis in any ill
person with eosinophilia and a history of eating wild game. Suspected cases
should be reported to state health departments.
References
1.. CDC. Trichinellosis surveillance---United States, 1997--2001. In:
CDC Surveillance Summaries (July 25). MMWR 2003;52(No. SS-6):1--8.
2.. Dworkin M, Gamble H, Zarlenga D, Tennican P. Outbreak of
trichinellosis associated with eating cougar jerky. J Infect Dis
1996;174:663--6.
3.. Schellenberg R, Tan B, Irvine J, et al. An outbreak of
trichinellosis due to consumption of bear meat infected with Trichinella
nativa in two northern Saskatchewan communities. J Infect Dis
2003;188:835--43.
4.. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. Historic
black bear harvest data. Available at
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/wildgame/beartake.htm.
5.. Gamble HR, Bessonov AS, Cuperlovic K, et al. International
Commission on Trichinellosis: recommendations on methods for the control of
Trichinella in domestic and wild animals intended for human consumption. Vet
Parasitol 2000;93:393--408.
6.. Gamble HR. Parasites associated with pork and pork products. Rev Sci
Tech 1997;16:496--506.
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pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Met=20
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:05 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [BP]=20
Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and Tennessee,=20
2003<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<H1>Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York and =
Tennessee,=20
2003</FONT></H1>
<P></P>
<P>Trichinellosis is a parasitic infection caused by tissue-dwelling=20
<I>Trichinella</I> roundworms and is associated traditionally with =
ingestion=20
of pork from infected domestic swine. As a result of improvements in =
swine=20
production, trichinellosis has declined steadily in the United States =
(<I><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>)=
.=20
However, infection also can result from eating the meat of wild =
animals.=20
During 1997--2001, a total of 72 cases of trichinellosis (median: 12 =
cases=20
annually; range: 11--23 cases) were reported to CDC; the majority of =
these=20
infections were associated with eating wild game, predominantly bear. =
This=20
report describes three cases of trichinellosis associated with eating=20
undercooked bear meat reported from New York and Tennessee in 2003. To =
prevent=20
trichinellosis, persons should cook meat, particularly wild game, to =
an=20
internal temperature of 160<SUP>=BA</SUP> F (71<SUP>=BA</SUP> C) =
(<I><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>)=
.=20
<H4><B>Case Reports</B> </H4>
<P></P>
<P><B>New York.</B> In December 2003, the New York State Department of =
Health=20
was notified of a trichinellosis case in a man aged 54 years who =
resided in=20
Franklin County. The patient had been hospitalized in a tertiary care =
center=20
in early November with a 3-week history of diaphoresis, fever, =
weakness,=20
tachycardia, diarrhea, an 8-pound weight loss, and dry cough. =
Laboratory=20
testing indicated an elevated white blood cell (WBC) count=20
(20,600/mm<SUP>3</SUP> [normal: 5,000--10,000/mm<SUP>3</SUP>] with 33% =
eosinophils), hyponatremia (123 mmol sodium/L [normal: 136--145 mmol=20
sodium/L]), elevated lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) (823 U/L [normal: =
313--618=20
U/L]), and elevated creatinine phosphokinase (CPK) (1,554 U/L [normal: =
10--250=20
U/L]). </P>
<P>The patient reported eating approximately 2 pounds of nearly raw =
bear meat=20
during several meals 2 weeks before onset of symptoms. The meat had =
come from=20
a custom slaughter house in upstate New York and had been frozen at=20
-4<SUP>=B0</SUP> F (-20<SUP>=B0</SUP> C) for approximately 1 week =
before=20
ingestion. Because of suspicion of trichinellosis infection, =
albendazole and=20
corticosteroids were administered. Weakness and fatigue persisted =
through late=20
December 2003. The patient recovered fully by February 2004. </P>
<P>Serum specimens collected on the third hospital day for antibody =
testing of=20
<I>Trichinella</I> and other helminths were reported negative by a =
commercial=20
reference laboratory. A serum specimen collected on the 11th hospital =
day and=20
sent to CDC for <I>Trichinella</I> antibody testing was positive by=20
enzyme-linked immunoassay. </P>
<P>The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation =
(NYSDEC)'s=20
Wildlife Pathology Unit recovered nine packages of bear meat from =
multiple=20
bears from the patient's freezer and identified <I>Trichinella</I> =
spp. larvae=20
in five of the seven packages examined. Muscle digestion with =
artificial=20
gastric juice yielded 0.5--48.0 larvae per gram of bear meat. The =
remaining=20
two packages of meat were examined by the U.S. Department of =
Agriculture=20
(USDA), which identified <I>Trichinella nativa</I> by polymerase chain =
reaction (PCR). </P>
<P><B>Tennessee.</B> In November 2003, the Tennessee Department of =
Health=20
received a report of two cases of trichinellosis in persons residing =
in=20
Claiborne County. In early October, a man aged 38 years and a woman =
aged 54=20
years were admitted to a hospital with 7-day and 14-day histories of =
fever,=20
respectively, chills, headache, myalgias, arthralgias, and facial =
swelling.=20
The man's WBC count was 14,600/mm<SUP>3</SUP>, with 24% eosinophils, =
13%=20
lymphocytes, and 2% monocytes. The woman's WBC count was=20
16,200/mm<SUP>3</SUP>, with 28% eosinophils, 13% lymphocytes, and 3%=20
monocytes. Serum obtained from both patients tested positive for=20
<I>Trichinella</I> antibodies, and both were started on a course of=20
albendazole and corticosteroids. Both patients have recovered fully. =
</P>
<P>Questioning of the patients revealed that, in late August 2003, the =
man had=20
shot a black bear (<I>Ursus americanus</I>) in Canada. The bear was =
field=20
dressed, and selected meat was packed on ice for transport to =
Tennessee. On=20
August 31, the man and woman prepared and cooked the bear meat on an =
outdoor=20
grill for themselves and four other persons. The man and woman ate =
their=20
steaks medium rare; the four others ate their steaks well done. The =
remaining=20
meat was packaged for storage in a household freezer, and the family =
continued=20
to consume the meat during September. </P>
<P>In December, samples of the bear meat were examined histologically =
at the=20
University of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine. Numerous=20
<I>Trichinella</I> larvae were observed encysted in characteristic =
hyalinized=20
capsules in the striated muscle tissue (<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5327a2.htm#fig">Figure=
</A>).=20
The larvae had diameters of approximately 30--35 <I>=B5</I>m, and the =
diagnostic=20
morphology of the stichosome was apparent at high (400x) =
magnification.=20
Further testing of the bear meat at USDA recovered live larvae =
(estimated=20
infection intensity: 350--400 larvae per gram of muscle), and PCR =
results were=20
consistent with the genotype <I>T. nativa</I>. </P>
<P><B>Reported by:</B><I> P Smith, MD, M Eidson, DVM, A Willsey, DVM, =
B=20
Wallace, MD, M Kacica, MD, G Johnson, M Frary-Pelletieri, MS, A Burns, =
MS, New=20
York State Dept of Health; W Stone, ScD, New York State Dept of =
Environmental=20
Conservation. J Narro, MD, Univ of Tennessee Medical Center; C =
Faulkner, PhD,=20
D Rotstein, DVM, Univ of Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, =
Knoxville;=20
L Sheeler, PhD, P Erwin, MD, Tennessee Dept of Health. B Kirkpatrick, =
MD, Univ=20
of Vermont College of Medicine, Burlington, Vermont. D Zarlenga, PhD, =
U.S.=20
Dept of Agriculture. P Schantz, VMD, Div of Parasitic Diseases, =
National=20
Center for Infectious Diseases; F Coronado, MD, EIS Officer, CDC. </I>
<H3>Editorial Note:</H3>
<P></P>
<P>Undercooked wild game has emerged in recent years as a predominant =
source=20
for infection with <I>Trichinella</I> (<I>2,3</I>) (<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5327a2.htm#box">Box</A=
>).=20
During 1997--2001, of the 52 (72%) U.S. cases in which a source of =
infection=20
was known or suspected, pork products were associated with 21 (40%) =
cases, and=20
wild game was associated with 31 (60%), including 29 cases linked to =
bear meat=20
(<I><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>)=
. In=20
Canada, the majority of trichinellosis outbreaks during the previous =
three=20
decades were attributed to eating meat from wild animals (<I>3</I>). =
</P>
<P>Increasing local bear populations combined with the popularity of =
bear=20
hunting in the northeastern United States and Canada might contribute =
to=20
increased cases of <I>Trichinella</I> infection. In 2003, in New York =
state, a=20
record number of approximately 1,850 bears were reported killed by =
hunters=20
(<I>4</I>). NYSDEC provides information about trichinellosis and =
proper=20
cooking instructions for wild game with each bear-hunting license =
issued.=20
However, the meat from hunted animals often is given away and eaten by =
persons=20
who are unaware of the need to cook the meat thoroughly enough to kill =
larvae.=20
Multiple exposures also can occur when bear meat is served at wild =
game=20
parties. Whereas freezing at specified temperatures kills <I>T. =
spiralis</I>=20
larvae in pork, <I>T. nativa</I> is a freeze-resistant species that =
remains=20
viable after freezing, even for months or years. The three cases =
described in=20
this report were the result of eating improperly cooked bear meat =
infected=20
with <I>T. nativa</I>. </P>
<P>Educational messages concerning the risks of eating meat cooked =
improperly=20
do not always reach persons at risk for trichinellosis (<I>2</I>). To =
prevent=20
future cases of trichinellosis, health-education messages should =
target wild=20
game hunters who are most at risk for <I>Trichinella</I> infection =
(<I>3</I>).=20
Information on the parasite and proper cooking should be made =
available at=20
points of wild game distribution, such as custom butchers and game =
meat=20
processors. To prevent trichinellosis, consumers should be advised to =
monitor=20
for an adequate cooking temperature of 160<SUP>=B0</SUP> F =
(71<SUP>=B0</SUP> C)=20
(<I><A =
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">1</A></I>)=
=20
and observe the color and texture of the meat during cooking. A change =
in=20
color from red to dark gray throughout and a change in texture such =
that=20
muscle fibers are easily separated from each other are indicators that =
meat=20
has been rendered safe to eat (<I>3,5</I>). However, game meats such =
as bear=20
are very dark, making interpretation of color changes difficult; for =
these,=20
adequate cooking might be better judged by texture and temperature. =
USDA=20
recommends a higher temperature to allow for different cooking methods =
(e.g.,=20
microwave cooking) that might result in uneven temperature =
distributions=20
throughout the meat (<I>6</I>). </P>
<P>Symptoms associated with classic trichinellosis from <I>T. =
spiralis</I>=20
include fever, facial edema, myalgias, muscle swelling, and weakness. =
However,=20
as demonstrated in the <I>T. nativa</I> cases described in this =
report, some=20
of these symptoms might be absent. Eosinophilia typically is present =
in cases=20
of trichinellosis, and elevated blood levels of muscle enzymes (e.g., =
LDH and=20
CPK) also are common. Physicians should consider trichinellosis in any =
ill=20
person with eosinophilia and a history of eating wild game. Suspected =
cases=20
should be reported to state health departments.=20
<H3>References</B></H3>
<P></P>
<OL>
<LI><A =
href=3D"http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5206a1.htm">CDC.=20
Trichinellosis surveillance---United States, 1997--2001. In: CDC=20
Surveillance Summaries (July 25). MMWR 2003;52(No. SS-6):1--8.</A>=20
<LI>Dworkin M, Gamble H, Zarlenga D, Tennican P. Outbreak of =
trichinellosis=20
associated with eating cougar jerky. J Infect Dis 1996;174:663--6.=20
<LI>Schellenberg R, Tan B, Irvine J, et al. An outbreak of =
trichinellosis=20
due to consumption of bear meat infected with <I>Trichinella =
nativa</I> in=20
two northern Saskatchewan communities. J Infect Dis =
2003;188:835--43.=20
<LI>New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. =
Historic black=20
bear harvest data. Available at <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/wildgame/bearta=
ke.htm">http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/wildlife/wildgame/bearta=
ke.htm</A>.=20
<LI>Gamble HR, Bessonov AS, Cuperlovic K, et al. International =
Commission on=20
Trichinellosis: recommendations on methods for the control of=20
<I>Trichinella</I> in domestic and wild animals intended for human=20
consumption. Vet Parasitol 2000;93:393--408.=20
<LI>Gamble HR. Parasites associated with pork and pork products. Rev =
Sci=20
Tech 1997;16:496--506. </LI></OL></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Guess I better start cooking them eh?
Gotta run. My dog needs to hear about this.
Later,
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Makes me wonder if the bears are getting it from dumpster diving. My =
impression is that a lot of the bears up in the Adirondacks eat in the =
trash dumps.
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From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jim =
Follett
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [BP] Trichinellosis Associated with Bear Meat --- New York =
and Tennessee, 2003
I appreciate this, all the times I've been bear hunting, I never read =
the cooking instruction warning label on the bear. If only it came =
wrapped in plastic on Styrofoam.
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In a message dated 7/15/2004 5:13:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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That's a fair bet. Messages about the importance of protecting original
architectural details do not always reach big Italian guys about to swing a
sledgehammer, either.
Or Steve Jobs, it would appear. On the other hand, seems to me that with
all his money, the chances of getting something architecturally worthwhile are
pretty good, and maybe even something better than a 1920's Mediterranean
Revival villa.
Momentary Heretic
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Happy to buy a cup or three, Pam ! =20
Congratulations. I can hardly wait for the opportunity to come East =
and check on my native land claims there in Phelps. After all, it is =
sort of midway between Cuylerville, NY and Cuyler, NY. Grandfather =
John Page's farm was just Northeast of town, and by recent messages =
here, it appears the Phelps crowd is beginning to outnumber the =
Ithacan's.
Will you do espresso? If you like, I can share the secrets a Zen =
Espresso Master here taught me when I opened up a Coffee/Tea Room at the =
Historic Site. Proper espresso seems to be a sacrament rarely =
available east of the Rockies. Please send a plane ticket. I will =
bring some of the $60 / lb special grind the Master brought back from =
San Francisco on his annual pilgrimage to the coffee auction.
The RIT brickyard will miss you.
With fond memories of the RIT lunch (as well as Ohio highway coffee with =
debcaves)
cp in bc
continental coffee inspector
I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's ever coming =
through town.
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<DIV>Congratulations. I can hardly wait for the opportunity =
to come=20
East and check on my native land claims there in Phelps. =
After all,=20
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NY. Grandfather John Page's farm was =
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<DIV>Will you do espresso? If you like, =
I can=20
share the secrets a Zen Espresso Master here taught me when I =
opened up=20
a Coffee/Tea Room at the Historic Site. Proper=20
espresso seems to be a sacrament rarely available east of the=20
Rockies. Please send a plane ticket. I will =
bring some=20
of the $60 / lb special grind the Master brought back from San =
Francisco on=20
his annual pilgrimage to the coffee auction.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The RIT brickyard will miss you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With fond memories of the RIT lunch (as well as Ohio highway coffee =
with=20
debcaves)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>cp in bc</DIV>
<DIV>continental coffee inspector</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:14:08 -0700
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Dear Paint-xperts,
Working with an 1880's pioneer farmhouse at an historic site ranch here =
in BC. The question of gloss arose when the modern maintenance man =
automatically put flat blue latex on the kitchen walls ("cuz it sart of =
loooked nicer"). What is the history of availability of late 1800's =
commercial paint finishes? =20
Out here in the wild west, virtually everything was shipped in from the =
stylish East via San Francisco to meet high class goldrush demands, so =
anything is possible. The costumed kitchen lady thinks gloss is =
appropriate. The colour guy (cp) with the paint chips and microscope =
knows the original light ochre shade, but not the sheen. We have been =
in the habit of using gloss or semi-gloss to replicate old enamel, but =
the opportunity of having the best in the world e-here for advice is too =
much to pass up.
The costumed kitchen lady is my sweetie and I would like to impress her. =
All help appreciated.
cp in bc
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:20:57 -0400
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 1:45:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cuyler Page <[log in to unmask]> writes:
Proper espresso seems to be a sacrament rarely available east of the Rockies.
Cuyler,
Although espresso is not among my areas of expertise, I would be willing to bet there are some who would take issue with this notion. After the entire population of Staten Island has stomped the bejesus out of you, the Minhattinites will get started.
A woid to da wise. Capeesh?
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:32:33 -0400
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 2:14:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Cuyler Page <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>The costumed kitchen lady is my sweetie and I would like to impress her. All help appreciated.
Cuyler,
Are we talking about maybe (or already) getting some here? Cuz if so, I am confident that despite your previous horseshit about espresso, your Pinhead friends (well, the guys anyway) stand at the ready.
My suggestion would be to see whether you can get any gloss info out of the paint scraper, either in terms of his findings in Kitchen Lady's personal space, or his textbook knowledge of gloss levels in the olden days.
My inclination would be that the original was pretty glossy, since a glossier finish is more durable than flatter one. I'm not sure when flatting oils came out, but whether anybody would have bothered with them for this farmhouse/lumberjacks' espresso bar seems unlikely to me.
Let us know how you do with the Costumed One, and whether her dedication to period attire extends to areas not ordinarily seen by the public. Keep in mind, though, that although bloomers have a certain appeal, there may be something to be said for thongs. Ask Clinton.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:38:56 -0500
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But not much.
On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:32 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> there may be something to be said for thongs
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:02:43 EDT
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C-
Fer once Ralph seems to be right, Lord have mercy. Them flatting orls (orl of
turpentine) were expensive, and even though they were available in the
mid-18th C, only rich folks seemed to use them, not grub stake owners.
V.I.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:17:20 EDT
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In a massage, [log in to unmask] writes:
The costumed kitchen lady thinks gloss is appropriate.
"The battle scenes were very realistic." ---a family member, born in 1948,
after seeing the movie "Saving Private Ryan"
Christopher
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:29:26 -0700
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Just proves my point, Ralph. Even as a holy one, you do not have that
particular sacrament as part of your practice. However, glad to hear that
things have improved since my last trip to the mystic East. I'll bet they
read Wallpaper there too.
cp in bc
(bc = brewing capitol)
>> Although espresso is not among my areas of expertise,
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:19:20 EDT
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<<<The brochure cautioned that "multiple adult males living together, usually
of Middle Eastern appearance and between the ages of 18 and 45, with little
or no furnishings" could signal international terrorism.
"You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons, on any one group," said
Joyce Dawley, regional director for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement
and co-chairman of the task force overseeing the program. "A number of different
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:31:32 -0500
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So, its time to send the undercover cops back to college campuses?
Ohh, how very dated of me, they don't segregate men and women in dorms
anymore...fraternities? Well that'll be a step up the social ladder
for the cops! Damn if only they'd known about a certain Yale
fraternity of evil dooers back in the 60's!
-jc
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> <<<The brochure cautioned that "multiple adult males living together,
> usually of Middle Eastern appearance and between the ages of 18 and
> 45, with little or no furnishings" could signal international
> terrorism.
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> "You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons, on any one group,"
> said Joyce Dawley, regional director for the Florida Department of Law
> Enforcement and co-chairman of the task force overseeing the program.
> "A number of different groups out there are willing to hurt
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So, its time to send the undercover cops back to college campuses?
Ohh, how very dated of me, they don't segregate men and women in dorms
anymore...fraternities? Well that'll be a step up the social ladder
for the cops! Damn if only they'd known about a certain Yale
fraternity of evil dooers back in the 60's!
-jc
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<excerpt><bigger><<<<<<The brochure cautioned that "multiple adult
males living together, usually of Middle Eastern appearance and
between the ages of 18 and 45, with little or no furnishings" could
signal international terrorism.</bigger>
<bigger> "You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons, on any one
group," said Joyce Dawley, regional director for the Florida
Department of Law Enforcement and co-chairman of the task force
overseeing the program. "A number of different groups out there are
willing to hurt people.">>></bigger>
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 8:38:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John Callan <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>But not much.
>
>On Jul 16, 2004, at 7:32 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> there may be something to be said for thongs
As my father used to say, as taught by the US Army, "It depends upon the situation and the terrain."
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:08:17 -0400
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>C-
>
>Fer once Ralph seems to be right, Lord have mercy. Them flatting orls (orl of turpentine) were expensive, and even though they were available in the mid-18th C, only rich folks seemed to use them, not grub stake owners.
>
>V.I.
Dear Mr. Idiot,
Your first sentence is music to my shell-like (or was that shellack?) ears.
As for "orls," flatting or otherwise, it's obvious that you, Sir, are a ignoramus. Da woid youse are lookin fer is "erl," not "orl." As in "Put some erl on da boiner, Ise cold."
Your friend,
Ralph
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 1:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Cuyler Page <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>Just proves my point, Ralph. UHH, YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. NOT. Even as a holy one, you do not have that particular sacrament as part of your practice. ARE YOU REFERRING TO MY CAPACITY AS A MORNOM JEW AND NON-COFFEE-DRINKER, OR SOMETHING EVEN MORE OBSCURE? However, glad to hear that things have improved since my last trip to the mystic East. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THINGS YOU THINK HAVE IMPROVED, OR WHEN YOUR LAST TRIP TO THE MYSTERIOUS EAST OCCURRED, BUT I"M NOT SO SURE THINGS ARE BETTER SINCE WHENEVER IT WAS. I'll bet they read Wallpaper there too. ON STATEN ISLAND, THEY MOVE THEIR LIPS WHILE READING THE WALLPAPER. ON MINHATTIN, THEIR SERVANTS READ THE WALLPAPER FOR THEM (KINDA LIKE BUSH NOT READING THE NEWSPAPER, ONLY I WOULDN'T BET THAT ANYBODY WHO WORKS FOR HIM READS THE PAPER.
>
RALPH AT WORK AND SHOUTING INTO THE COMPUTER FOR LACK OF BOLDFACE.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:34:35 -0400
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Joy and Steve at the state historic preservation office have decided to
move ahead with the wood windows workshop series, Sept 1st to 12th. There
will be five workshops all around the state, located at Sioux Falls,
Watertown, Pierre, Rapid City, and Deadwood. There is an opening for a
volunteer assistant, or assistants. The ideal assistant would be willing to
traipse all around the state with me, although the state's contract and
project budget will probably be too tight to pay for meals and lodging
(although I'd be willing to share!) Swinging into the project for a town or
two near you could work too. For the details of my assistantship program
see:
http://www.historichomeworks.com/hhw/education/interns.htm
Also, check here for details of the workshop series as they develop:
http://www.historichomeworks.com/hhw/education/seminars.htm
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Well, I didn't know where Phelps, NY was so got out my trusty atlas to
find it. You're way out there, aren't you? I have been to that area but
not for a long time. I went to Rochester once to see the rose gardens,
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
was a very high water fall.
I was so hoping Phelps would be somewhere near Albany so I could come over
for a cup of coffee some day but guess that's out of the question. It
would have to be regular old coffee though, none of that nasty express0
stuff!!!! Real Vermonters drink Real Coffee!!!!!! I have heard that
express0 tastes just like the expressway. Ruth
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 8:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ruth,
Well, I didn't know where Phelps, NY was so got out my trusty atlas to
find it. You're way out there, aren't you? This was a surprise to you? If
she lived anyplace decent, or at least near anyplace decent, you (and the rest
of those few of us who aren't related by blood or marriage to her), you
would've heard about it before. I have been to that area but not for a long
time. There's a blessing to count next time that actrivity is called for! once
to see the rose gardens,
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
was a very high water fall. If it was an important waterfall, it woulda been
Niagara.
come over for a cup of coffee some day but guess that's out of the question.
What, Vermonters don't frive 500 miles for a cup of coffee? You must be one
o' them practical Yankee fahmah types. It would have to be regular old
coffee though, none of that nasty express0 stuff!!!! Pam could probably get you
some real coffee, if she went to some even more rinky-dink town where they
haven't heard of espresso yet. Real Vermonters drink Real Coffee!!!!!! Good for
you! I figure I'm not old enough to drink coffee, anyway. I have heard that
express0 tastes just like the expressway. That might explain the name.
Sambuca with coffee beans isn't too bad; that's what the real Greaseballs drink
AFTER espresso; maybe it kills the taste, or at least anesthetizes the hole in
your stomach. Ruth Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/16/2004 8:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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to<BR>find it. You're way out there, aren't you? <STRONG>This was a=20
surprise to you? If she lived anyplace decent, or at least <U>near</U> anypl=
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decent, you (and the rest of those few of us who aren't related by blood or=20
marriage to her), you would've heard about it before. </STRONG> I=
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have been to that area but not for a long time. <STRONG>There's a bless=
ing=20
to count next time that actrivity is called for!</STRONG> once to see the ro=
se=20
gardens,<BR>they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with so=
me=20
cousins and<BR>we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes"=20
where there<BR>was a very high water fall. <STRONG>If it was an important=20
waterfall, it woulda been Niagara. </STRONG><BR><BR>come over for a cup of=20
coffee some day but guess that's out of the question. <STRONG>What, Vermonte=
rs=20
don't frive 500 miles for a cup of coffee? You must be one o' them=20
practical Yankee fahmah types.</STRONG> It would have to be regular old=
=20
coffee though, none of that nasty express0 stuff!!!! <STRONG>Pam could=
=20
probably get you some real coffee, if she went to some even more rinky-dink=20=
town=20
where they haven't heard of espresso yet.</STRONG> Real Vermonters drin=
k=20
Real Coffee!!!!!! <STRONG>Good for you! I figure I'm not old enough to=20
drink coffee, anyway. </STRONG> I have heard that express0 tastes=20=
just=20
like the expressway. <STRONG>That might explain the=20
name.</STRONG> <STRONG>Sambuca with coffee beans isn't too bad; that's=20=
what=20
the real Greaseballs drink AFTER espresso; maybe it kills the taste, or at l=
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anesthetizes the hole in your stomach. </STRONG> Ruth =20
<STRONG>Ralph</STRONG><BR></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:53:20 EDT
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In a message dated 7/16/2004 3:19:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
<<<The brochure cautioned that "multiple adult males living together,
usually of Middle Eastern appearance and between the ages of 18 and 45, with little
or no furnishings" could signal international terrorism. This doesn't sound
like either homo- or metrosexuals to me, but maybe I'm placing too heavy an
emphasis on the lack-of-furnishings aspect.
"You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons How many reasons, and
which?, on any one group," said Joyce Dawley, regional director for the Florida
Department of Law Enforcement and co-chairman of the task force overseeing the
program. "A number of different groups out there are willing to hurt
people.">>> Let's see. There are Islamic terrorists, abortion-center bombers, the
military and police of every country in the world, right wing lunatics, the
Shining Path Commie Lunatics in Peru, the Republican (alright, and
Democratic) parties, the Manson Family, and assorted assholes who aren't members of
those groups. Who does that leave? And are we supposed to focus on the people
who don't want to hurt people, or just not focus on the ones who do? I
know: they don't want us to focus on one group because there are so many groups
that we should focus on. Are we supposed to focus like a laser on these
groups, or is that kind of leftover-Clinton-era focus a bad thing?
And why was I supposed to like this? Especially after nobody was interested
in the obituary of Euphemia, the woman of 1000 (alright, two) nicknames.
I'm very confused. And I don't know whether I like it or not.
What I do know is that Pam better not count on making a living selling
espresso to Ruth and me. [Psst, Ruth: my plan is to wangle a free cup of espresso
out of Pam for each of us, by making her think we'll never take her up on it.
Then we show up after all! Pretty good, huh? It's not for nothin' that they
call me a fart smeller!]
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/16/2004 3:19:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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"multiple adult males living together, usually of Middle Eastern appearanc=
e=20
and between the ages of 18 and 45, with little or no furnishings" could si=
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international terrorism. <STRONG>This doesn't sound like either homo=
- or=20
metrosexuals to me, but maybe I'm placing too heavy an emphasis on the=20
lack-of-furnishings aspect. </STRONG>=20
<P class=3DarticleText>"You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons=20
<STRONG>How many reasons, and which?</STRONG>, on any one group," said Joy=
ce=20
Dawley, regional director for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement an=
d=20
co-chairman of the task force overseeing the program. "A number of differe=
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groups out there are willing to hurt people.">>> <STRONG>Le=
t's=20
see. There are Islamic terrorists, abortion-center bombers, the mili=
tary=20
and police of every country in the world, right wing lunatics, =20=
the=20
Shining Path Commie Lunatics in Peru, the Republican (alright, and Democra=
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on the people who don't want to hurt people, or just not focus on the ones=
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do? I know: they don't want us to focus on one group because there a=
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laser on these groups, or is that kind of leftover-Clinton-era focus a bad=
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ter=20
nobody was interested in the obituary of Euphemia, the woman of 1000 (alrigh=
t,=20
two) nicknames.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I'm very confused. And I don't know whether I like it or=20
not. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>What I <U>do</U> know is that Pam better not count on making a=20
living selling espresso to Ruth and me. [Psst, Ruth: my plan is to wangle&nb=
sp;a=20
free cup of espresso out of Pam for each of us, by making her think we'll ne=
ver=20
take her up on it. Then we show up after all! Pretty good, huh? I=
t's=20
not for nothin' that they call <U>me</U> a fart smeller!] =20
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<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
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> Let us know how you do with the Costumed One, and whether her dedication
to period attire extends to areas not ordinarily seen by the public.
> Ralph
After thirty years of friendship, including eight years of sharing house and
life together when we first met back in the 70"s, Carole and I just got back
together and bought a house this year. We share a passion for Early Music
of the Renaissance and Baroque persuasion, and are about equal in skill on
our instruments, making for some nice music (yes, we make beautiful music
together). We found a house with a huge living room for ensembles and
house concerts, and huge kitchen for our social life beside a broad balcony
with a grand view over the valley, and a lovely courtyard for privacy even
though it is a three minute walk to the closest espresso cafe (the temple of
the Zen Coffee Master). We have always seen each other as Best Friends
even through other years of other lives during the last thirty, somehow
really understanding and respecting each other in a way that finally made so
much sense that we decided we might as well live it, making the most of our
final years here on earth.
We have the Costume Thing in common too, so I spent last Sunday in 1880's
Amish trousers and straw hat riding my Penny Farthing around the historic
site where she spends summer, stopping into her kitchen for buns and honey
from time to time. But, Carole is also a practical soul, now getting me to
wear Hawaiian shirts for relaxing times.
I was formerly with one who's dedication to period attire went all the
way - laced corsets, four petticoats and all the trimmings, but she
didn't
know when to stop, so we did (stop). She was perhaps the best living
history performer I have ever known, but all that hardware and tight
bundlings seemed to make for a very tense and argumentative character. No
wonder there are so many stern stereotypes from the Victorian era.
Actually, when dealing with the real clothing
replica/restoration/recreation, the closest layers to the body were the
least interesting, not like today.
Well, Ralph, you did ask. Funny how "public" and "pubic" have so much
spelling in common, or did I catch the drift of your thought?
cp happily householding on weekends in bc
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Quoting John Callan <[log in to unmask]>:
Not so. My daughter at Muhlenberg was in the "virgin vault" as a freshwoman
(there are co-ed dorms for the fresh but one single gender dorm - female- for
the first yr) not that there weren't boys wandering around the dorm day &
night.
jh
> So, its time to send the undercover cops back to college campuses?
> Ohh, how very dated of me, they don't segregate men and women in dorms
> anymore...fraternities? Well that'll be a step up the social ladder
> for the cops! Damn if only they'd known about a certain Yale
> fraternity of evil dooers back in the 60's!
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2004, at 2:19 PM, Met History wrote:
>
> > <<<The brochure cautioned that "multiple adult males living together,
> > usually of Middle Eastern appearance and between the ages of 18 and
> > 45, with little or no furnishings" could signal international
> > terrorism.
> >
> > "You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons, on any one group,"
> > said Joyce Dawley, regional director for the Florida Department of Law
> > Enforcement and co-chairman of the task force overseeing the program.
> > "A number of different groups out there are willing to hurt
> > people.">>>
>
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:19:18 EDT
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In a message dated 7/17/2004 4:13:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Well, Ralph, you did ask. Indeed, and I'm glad I did. Bravo for you both,
although it seems to me that for a pair of would-be 19th century
frontiersperdaughters, your choice of early Renaissance/Baroque music is somewhat
anachronistic. But better than Hip Hop, Hexter Pexter, Boojie Woojie or whatever
these young people are listening to nowadays. I think I'ev just discovered
the beneficial aspect to old-age deafness! Funny how "public" and "pubic" have
so much spelling in common, or did I catch the drift of your thought? What,
me think dirty? Well, you and Miss Muffett go have fun and stop wasting your
time with the Pinheads when you could be going at it like minks. Gather ye
rosehips while it's May.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/17/2004 4:13:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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Renaissance/Baroque</STRONG> <STRONG>music is somewhat=20
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:41:26 EDT
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In a message dated 7/17/2004 7:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
My daughter at Muhlenberg was in the "virgin vault" as a freshwoman
Jim and John,
Is THIS what I can expect to hear from my daughter when she goes to college?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/17/2004 7:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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<DIV><STRONG>Jim and John,</STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:17:24 -0400
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> **
>
> "You don't want to focus, for a number of reasons *How many
> reasons, and which?*
>
**The art of terrorism is that we do not know who, when or where to be
afraid of what.
John McCain in his book on Courage encourages that if someone is afraid
of flying they should just go and get on the damned plane.
The "big change" since 9/11 is an altering of our national sense of fear.
A religious a few years ago expressed to me that the essense of evil,
and of sin, is fear.
At first it did not make a whole lot of sense to me, but then I got
thinking about it.
What limits, and inhibits and destroys our lives is our relationship to
our fear of living.
There is a great deal of freedom in not being afraid. It is up to us if
we are going to be afraid or not.
What disturbs me about the current US political climate is that it so
often seems to be a response motivated from fear.
Dangers exist, the capacity for fear exists, and the politics feed into
a penchant to always lean towards inventing a negative story.
On a related note, yesterday I participated in a conversation with an
educator in a rural school district in NY State.
The education policy in NY currently is fairly rigorous that HS students
pass their regents exams in order to graduate.
This places a difficult burden on children who have a more predominant
tactile wiring to their system... they would excel as carpenters but
fail as math prodigies.
The No Child Left Behind rigor of the current administration has an
opposite effect in the Many Children Thrown Away.
It occured to me, in a sort of flash of contemplation, that the
motivating essence of the No Child Left Behind policies is to reinforce
the technical dominance of the Empire.
What goes on in schools seems to me to have very little to do with
preparing citizens to lead a balanced and rewarding life.
I've been sensing that educators who care about all of the children in
their stewardship are having a problem with the pressure to push a
specific perspective of required skills, and that if the child is not
able to meet the levels that the pressure is then to abandon the child.
I think there is a serious moral lapse here on the part of the current
administration.
We are not always talking about "at risk" children in this instance.
A young fellow working with me now I think is pretty bright,
particularly adept at math, and I was a bit perplexed why he would want
to spend any time following me around.
Last week he told me that though he is taking college courses the
situation is that the teacher kept bothering him that he was falling
asleep in class.
After he aced three tests in a row the teacher backed off, and he went
back to sleep. He did not feel that he was getting any value out of the
educational experience.
So now he follows me around and he says he is learning something. I feel
that I need to find him something better to do with himself.
I like it when I ask the kids to do something, or to figure it out. I'm
usually standing there waiting to see what will happen next.
They will say to me, "But I've never done this before!" I reply of
sorts, "Why should that stop you?" They seem to react as if I am joking.
So we went in to do this small job where I had sold as well that we
would not only figure out the solution but educate the facility guy in
the building.
Turns out the facility guy was not too terribly interested in getting
another task added to his list, but he is nice to us regardless.
Told us he hoped the problem would not recur until after he was on
pension. We informed him of the end process, and left him with a repair
tool kit.
So all day I fussed and fumed and farted around with the task, it sort
of worked, it sort of did not work, we had the wrong materials that
turned out to be the right materials.
We had an end goal and part of the process was to figure out just how it
could be done. It involved plaster. I don't really know diddly about
plaster.
I've watched David Flaherty, Rory Brennan and David Hayes but not for
any extended period as I tend to jump in and jump out of their
demonstrations.
I cannot focus long enough on a learning experience to sit still.
I spend more time listening to them over a beer than I do paying
attention to their techniques.
So I can admit my ignorance of plaster is profound. But I know that it
can be done.
I kept asking my helper if he was bored. I would be bored. He was not. A
few times I asked him what he thought we should do next.
I suppose he thought it was a test, but the truth was I was perplexed.
We talked about the character of the workability of the materials.
Eventually I saw that I was going backwards more than I was going
forwards and we quit for the day.
I could see that it was a state of mind needed to focus on finishing up
the details.
On the way home at the end of the day I said, "You saw what we were
doing, right?"
He had. I then explained to him that I had never in my life ever done
anything like what we had just done.
Then I asked him if he felt up to finishing it off the next day on his own.
He went in with a helper and later I got a call, "This does not seem to
be working."
All I could say was, "Well, I can't show you technique over the phone.
But I can tell you that it can be done. Keep in mind what we have to end
up with."
At the end of the day the call was that the facility guy was happy, that
the client had pointed out one flaw that they fixed right then, and that
the work was somewhere between OK and perfect.
Sometimes all we really need is the confidence that it can be done.
We can live without fear overtaking us if we want to.
][<
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Ken,
Good story. Let the kid follow you around and watch what you do, and be
flattered that he wants to. God knows what he'll learn by observing, either in
terms of physically doing things or how to conduct himself, but this is by all
means an activity to be encouraged.
I am disappointed that my kids have no interest in watching me (or anybody
else) DO anything, but on the other hand, I am probably not doing enough to
encourage it, and not DOING anything worth watching in the first place.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:17:46 -0400
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A very high water falls at the end of one of the Finger Lakes (actually =
about 13 miles north of the south end) was probably Taughannock Falls =
State Park on Cayuga Lake, once claiming to be the highest falls east of =
the Rockies or some such thing at 215 feet. I think a rock slide or =
cave-in under the falls ended that claim back about 20 years ago--the =
water used to fall directly into the plunge pool but now hits a rock =
pile at the bottom.
There are other smaller falls around Ithaca (at the very south end of =
Cayuga Lake) and Watkins Glen (at the south end of Seneca Lake) but they =
don't compare in height to Taughannock. Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek in =
Ithaca is not as high, doesn't have as high free fall, but usually has a =
lot more water going over it. Lit up at night in the winter, encrusted =
with ice, it is quite a sight. There are numerous smaller falls in the =
State Parks around Ithaca and Watkins Glen and some that aren't in =
formal parks but are fun to explore nonetheless. The gorges are cool =
places on hot summer days...
As the bumper sticker says "Ithaca is Gorges."
http://www.taughannock.com/
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>
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins =
and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
was a very high water fall.
>
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Unless you decide to have her go to AZ state on line you'll be lucky to =
hear much of anything important.=20
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In a message dated 7/17/2004 7:35:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
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My daughter at Muhlenberg was in the "virgin vault" as a freshwoman
Jim and John,
Is THIS what I can expect to hear from my daughter when she goes to =
college?
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:32:14 -0700
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Lovely travelogue, Bruce. Don't forget Buttermilk Falls where you could
slide down the slippery face of the falls into the swimming pool at the
bottom - or do they still allow that?
That Ithaca stuff really gets in your blood doesn't it.
Our local University/College has just been awarded full University status
and therefore the opportunity for a new name. Debate is raging around town
and campus concerning the suggestions. Last week, while having lunch in a
little downtown cafe, the man at the neighbouring table said very intensely,
"Why couldn't we just have some nice name like "Cornell" and a pretty city
name like "Ithaca" instead of "Kamloops", a name that sounds like a joke or
a breakfast cereal." I was all ears, and then asked why they were so
interested in the topic, and he turned out to be the Chairman of the
University Board. He had never been to Ithaca, but just liked the sound of
the name and the image he had developed about it.
cp in bc
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A very high water falls at the end of one of the Finger Lakes (actually
about 13 miles north of the south end) was probably Taughannock Falls State
Park on Cayuga Lake, once claiming to be the highest falls east of the
Rockies or some such thing at 215 feet. I think a rock slide or cave-in
under the falls ended that claim back about 20 years ago--the water used to
fall directly into the plunge pool but now hits a rock pile at the bottom.
There are other smaller falls around Ithaca (at the very south end of Cayuga
Lake) and Watkins Glen (at the south end of Seneca Lake) but they don't
compare in height to Taughannock. Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek in Ithaca is
not as high, doesn't have as high free fall, but usually has a lot more
water going over it. Lit up at night in the winter, encrusted with ice, it
is quite a sight. There are numerous smaller falls in the State Parks
around Ithaca and Watkins Glen and some that aren't in formal parks but are
fun to explore nonetheless. The gorges are cool places on hot summer
days...
As the bumper sticker says "Ithaca is Gorges."
http://www.taughannock.com/
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From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ruth
Barton
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:21 PM
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>
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
was a very high water fall.
>
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>Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek in Ithaca is not as high, doesn't have as high free fall, but usually has a lot more water going over it. Lit up at night in the winter, encrusted with ice, it is quite a sight.
>
Nice to have the memory.
I climbed the ice falls one day while truant from the nearby HS.
It was an altered experience.
I was curious to see inside the cave beneath Ithaca gun.
My favorite ice falls experience was visiting Niagara in January and in
the dark night the ice from the mist sloping down towards the fence at
the edge of the cliff was, to say the least, freaky.
We never got to see the mighty falls, we were so fortunate in our
sliding along on our buns, but you could hear it just fine.
Taughannock Falls is a neat one. Frontenac a few miles up the lake north
is were the BSA OA ceremony would be held with Cayuga indians, sort of,
standing on the cliffs either side of the falls chanting out slogans &
BS stuff. A wire from one cliff side going down to a stacked bonfire
they would light up a roll of toilet paper (I think it was TP) and send
it down the wire like a flaming arrow... or a flaming you know what...
and then the bonfire would light up. Great fun in bonfires! Reminds me I
want to go to Burning Man.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:28:31 -0400
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Jim Hicks wrote:
> Unless you decide to have her go to AZ state on line you'll be lucky
> to hear much of anything important.
"Please send more money," is not important?
I proudly and briefly wore a chicken hat while playing golf in Indiana
last week.
One ball skipped across the lake... never seen that before. I did not
lose any clubs this time.
Last time I played golf in Indiana we had to get our restoration
mechanic (obligatory histo presto content) to stop hassling the nearby
bulls.
He insisted he had to play from where his ball had landed in the
"rough". It looked like manure to me.
I suppose he had balls... they were painted orange as one of the
veterans told us that is what you need to play at night on an unlit course.
Poor guy is dead now, drowned we suspect, in Lake Erie at night. Fish
food. But I got to visit the NPS site I worked on 20+ years ago in
Vincennes.
I tried to tell the nice lady at the counter but she was so damned busy
telling me why I should love George Rogers Clark I could not get a spit
in edgewise.
I refreshed my T-shirt supply and used the toilet. Good for a few more
decades.
Suddenly I get the impression my career peaked 20+ years ago and I did
not notice it at the time.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:45:03 -0400
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I recently heard bulls can be so dangerous they aren't allowed to be out =
in a field here in CNY. I was told they have to be kept in a barn or in =
some similar enclosure (more than an electric fence or common fenced-in =
farm yard. I heard this while beig told of the East Homer or Truxton =
fire department responding to a fire at a farm (not from city slickers =
in other words). They responded at 5 AM to a homeowner saying they were =
hearing "crackling noises" but on inspection couldn't find any real =
problems in the house (a little suspect wiring but nothing arcing). One =
of the volunteer fire guys remarked that they had a particularly nice =
barn and noticed a bull in the barnyard. A couple of hours later they =
were back to try to save the house from the barn which was a total loss =
(they saved the house). Not sure if they had roast beef for lunch...
Bruce in the wilds of CNY
P.S. Ken, are you coming up for "The "Big 50 Party" next weekend? It's =
on Sunday out East Homer way (east of Cortland and Homer, NY, on NYS =
Rte. 13), up Forbes Road about 1/4 mile on the right. I suspect it is =
pretty safe (and perhaps a little rude) to extend a belated invite to =
all BPers at this late date. Bring musical instruments, especially =
electrified ones, if you're going to be up this way and we can all make =
fools of ourselves musically...
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:43:09 -0400
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Ken:
That had to scary going up the falls in winter.=20
One summer as a young lad (maybe nine or ten years old) a group of about =
eight of us (most of the guys in that group were a couple of years older =
than I) from The Flats crossed the creek below the falls and went up the =
rock slide on the north side (left side facing the falls). We got up to =
the top of the falls and some guys (I don't think I did) crossed over =
the dam at the top of the falls (about 100 feet long and about eight to =
ten feet high as I recall) but I think I stayed behind. The water was =
just trickling over the dam and it was pretty slimy. I pictured falling =
off the dam and going the rest of the way down the falls which was =
perhaps thirty feet away. I'm guessing it is a about a hundred foot =
drop over the falls but not the easy slide of Buttermilk Falls which I =
recall was only about a ten foot high slide and about thirty feet long. =
(I don't remember if using the Buttermilk slide was allowed toward the =
end of my "youth" which ended in the early 70's--I think at some point =
the park lifeguards stopped you from doing it. (As I recall you didn't =
necessarily have control over when you started your slide while =
manuevering into position on the slippery rocks and if the last person =
hadn't cleared out of the pool you could hit them pretty hard. All =
depends on how high up the falls you started too. A great way to wear =
out the seat of your shorts.)
On the south side of the dam was the entrance to The Flume (the cave you =
speak of), a tunnel cut in the rocks by industrialist Ezra Cornell =
(founder of Cornell U), or so the story goes. There is a classic =
picture from back in the mid or late 1800's of guys standing on planks =
over the water in the flume, bearded guys half hidden in the darkness of =
the tunnel. Immediately above The Flume there is a small park which =
offers a much safer view of the dam, the falls (from above and upstream =
from it), the north part of Ithaca below, and the southern end of Cayuga =
Lake but you can't really tell The Flume is under you from there unless =
you know what to look for.
There is a big lead abatement project taking place just below The Flume =
and the former Ithaca Gun factory. Apparently material cast off from =
the making (or testing) of Ithaca Shot Guns accumulated outside the back =
door. Somehow it got declared a Superfund site or at least worthy of =
cleanup. Now they're sluicing material (I think it is shale with lead =
mixed in) down the hill in a PVC pipe, loading it on trucks and hauling =
it away (I'm not sure if the water from the sluicing goes back into the =
creek--seems like there would be some lead in solution). As I =
understand it this is all so people won't get brain damage from the lead =
if they are hanging out around there (as people are want to do). I =
think they're more likely to get brain damage from slipping over the =
edge of the cliffs but I must admit I don't know the particulars of the =
situation...
As regards the BSA Order of the Arrow ceremony one summer a friend and I =
were the pyromaniacs that built the ceremonial fire in the middle of the =
plunge pool at Frontenac (I was an OA member). The fireball that came =
down the wire from the cliff was a roll of TP soaked in kerosene. The =
actual ignition of the fire was via a mixture of saltpeter and sugar (if =
I remember correctly) in a paper cup with a few Ohio Blue Tip matches =
buried in it. The match tips had a niochrome (sp?) wire wrapped around =
them (maybe the assembly was dipped in parafin to waterproof it) and =
each end went back via lampcord to a car battery. We stabbed the =
battery terminals just before the fireball hit the stacked wood =
(actually it hit just behind the wood pile in the water). The fire =
would then light off, aided by generous amount of kerosene. I think the =
whole gorge reeked of kerosene (on the trail up to the fire the Scouts =
had to pass "Indians" standing by smudge pots that were #10 cans with a =
roll of toilet paper in them, burning in a pool of kerosene or at least =
soaked in it, where they had to repeat a line of the Scout Oath or some =
such thing in order to pass) or maybe it just seemed that way to me =
because soaking the wood pile in kerosene ensured that my buddy and I =
would stink of it for a day or two afterward. If the saltpeter & sugar =
device wasn't enough to set the fire off then someone had to wade out to =
the fire and light it manually witha torch (which I'm sure was an =
entertaining spectacle to those watching what with the poor footing on =
the irregular and slimy rocks on the bottom of the plunge pool (the =
water was only about two feet deep).
Bruce
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From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Gabriel
Orgrease
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:17 PM
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I climbed the ice falls one day while truant from the nearby HS.
It was an altered experience.
I was curious to see inside the cave beneath Ithaca gun.
>
>
Taughannock Falls is a neat one. Frontenac a few miles up the lake north
is were the BSA OA ceremony would be held with Cayuga indians, sort of,
standing on the cliffs either side of the falls chanting out slogans &
BS stuff. A wire from one cliff side going down to a stacked bonfire
they would light up a roll of toilet paper (I think it was TP) and send
it down the wire like a flaming arrow... or a flaming you know what...
and then the bonfire would light up. Great fun in bonfires! Reminds me I
want to go to Burning Man.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:31:45 -0400
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Bruce Marcham wrote:
>That had to scary going up the falls in winter.
>
>
More surreal than scary. Like I say, it was an altered experience.
>There is a big lead abatement project taking place just below The Flume and the former Ithaca Gun factory.
>
Hmmm... that explains a lot of something... but I'm not sure what... I
forget.
>As regards the BSA Order of the Arrow ceremony one summer a friend and I were the pyromaniacs...
>
Excellent. All I ever did in OA was whack weeds and clean out latrines.
Oh, yes... and I was sort of maybe on the indian dance team for a while.
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Unless you decide to have her go to AZ state on line you'll be lucky to hear
much of anything important.
Jim,
Am I correct in thinking you meant the University of Phoenix online? It's a
little weird, because I went to Az State.
More importantly, do I want to hear anything important, or am I better off
in the dark?
Somebody please tell me where the parenting of teenagers manuals are.
Ralph
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In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:29:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Suddenly I get the impression my career peaked 20+ years ago and I did
not notice it at the time.
You ain't the only one, honeychile. Only I had a nasty feeling at the time
that I was peaking.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:29:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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at the time.<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>You ain't the only one, honeychile. Only I had a nasty=20
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From a correspondent in Scotland...
"When I was a kid in Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls
dormitory at OU in which the one way windows had been installed the
wrong way round - apparently all of the co-eds were primping in front of
what they thought were mirrors and everyone on the outside had an
eyeful. The error was corrected post haste."
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I have to check with my neice who I'm told doing some college on line - =
I thought AZ 'something' but U of P is close enough. I think you want to =
overhear rather than hear as is with most important stuff.
Manuals - I think Ashcroft has retroactivly clasified them - but in any =
case theyr'e unavailable.
jh
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Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 9:46 PM
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In a message dated 7/17/2004 1:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
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Unless you decide to have her go to AZ state on line you'll be lucky =
to hear much of anything important.=20
Jim,
Am I correct in thinking you meant the University of Phoenix online? =
It's a little weird, because I went to Az State.
More importantly, do I want to hear anything important, or am I better =
off in the dark?
Somebody please tell me where the parenting of teenagers manuals are.
Ralph
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like=20
this...</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
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hear much of anything important. </DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Am I correct in thinking you meant the University of Phoenix=20
online? It's a little weird, because I went to Az State.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>More importantly, do I <U>want</U> to hear anything important, or =
am I=20
better off in the dark?</DIV>
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are.</DIV>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:29:46 EDT
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In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
"When I was a kid in Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls
dormitory at OU in which the one way windows had been installed the
wrong way round - apparently all of the co-eds were primping in front of
what they thought were mirrors and everyone on the outside had an
eyeful. The error was corrected post haste."
Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, and wouldn't be specified
for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be fabricated by mistake for
installation in exterior windows (especially not for a dorm's worth, which could be
close, quantity-wise, to a shitload), either. And even if it was, the
chickies wouldn't do their face-fixing in front of an exterior window even if it
looked like a mirror anyway.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=
=3D2>"When I=20
was a kid in Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls<BR>dormitory at=
OU=20
in which the one way windows had been installed the<BR>wrong way round -=20
apparently all of the co-eds were primping in front of<BR>what they though=
t=20
were mirrors and everyone on the outside had an<BR>eyeful. The error was=20
corrected post haste."</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><STRONG>Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, and woul=
dn't=20
be specified for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be fabricated by mist=
ake=20
for installation in exterior windows (especially not for a dorm's worth, whi=
ch=20
could be close, quantity-wise, to a shitload), either. And even if it=20=
was,=20
the chickies wouldn't do their face-fixing in front of an exterior window ev=
en=20
if it looked like a mirror anyway. </STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:40:05 EDT
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In a message dated 7/18/2004 7:08:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I have to check with my neice who I'm told doing some college on line - I
thought AZ 'something' but U of P is close enough. I think U of Penix must be
it. What is she "studying" (or modeming?) to be-- a beautician or
chiropractor or something? I think you want to overhear rather than hear as is with most
important stuff. I guess I'll take your word for it (as a parent of
presumably older kids than mine), but I'm not sure I'd even want to overhear.
Manuals - I think Ashcroft has retroactivly clasified them - but in any case
theyr'e unavailable. I woulda thought that those manuals went out of print
after our parents used them so effectively during our simple and problem-free
(or was that "pimple and Saddam-free"?) adolescences. But I have no doubt
that Ashcroft would classify them now, especially considering Cheney's
daughter's a dyke, and Bush's daughters are running around drunk in Marie
Antoinette dresses while they prepare to teach at the Malcolm X School in Harlem.
Does anybody else think it's more than a coincidence that they're (or she's)
going to work up near Clinton's office?
Ralph
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<DIV>I have to check with my neice who I'm told doing some college on line=
- I=20
thought AZ 'something' but U of P is close enough. <STRONG>I think U of Pe=
nix=20
must be it. What is she "studying" (or modeming?) to be-- a beautici=
an=20
or chiropractor or something?</STRONG> I think you want to overhear=20
rather than hear as is with most important stuff. <STRONG>I guess I'=
ll=20
take your word for it (as a parent of presumably older kids than mine), bu=
t=20
I'm not sure I'd even want to overhear.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>Manuals - I think Ashcroft has retroactivly clasified them - but in a=
ny=20
case theyr'e unavailable. <STRONG>I woulda thought that those manual=
s=20
went out of print after our parents used them so effectively during our si=
mple=20
and problem-free (or was that "pimple and=20
Saddam-free"?) adolescences. But I have no doubt that Ashcroft=20
would classify them now, especially considering Cheney's daughter's a dyke=
,=20
and Bush's daughters are running around drunk in Marie Antoinette=20
dresses while they prepare to teach at the Malcolm X School in Harlem.&nbs=
p;=20
Does anybody else think it's more than a coincidence that they're (or she'=
s)=20
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 09:23:20 -0700
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So sorry to hear that the falls fell but then so did the Old Man of the
Mountain, gravity ya know. Ruth
At 1:17 PM -0400 7/17/04, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>A very high water falls at the end of one of the Finger Lakes (actually
>about 13 miles north of the south end) was probably Taughannock Falls
>State Park on Cayuga Lake, once claiming to be the highest falls east of
>the Rockies or some such thing at 215 feet. I think a rock slide or
>cave-in under the falls ended that claim back about 20 years ago--the
>water used to fall directly into the plunge pool but now hits a rock pile
>at the bottom.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:32:04 -0500
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Subject: Re: SLAY MOST FOWL
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Don't try that in the rapids on Racquette River.
-jc
On Jul 17, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Cuyler Page wrote:
> Don't forget Buttermilk Falls where you could
> slide down the slippery face of the falls into the swimming pool at the
> bottom - or do they still allow that?
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:20:16 -0600
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Tell them about "gorging out".
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce
Marcham
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 11:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
A very high water falls at the end of one of the Finger Lakes (actually
about 13 miles north of the south end) was probably Taughannock Falls State
Park on Cayuga Lake, once claiming to be the highest falls east of the
Rockies or some such thing at 215 feet. I think a rock slide or cave-in
under the falls ended that claim back about 20 years ago--the water used to
fall directly into the plunge pool but now hits a rock pile at the bottom.
There are other smaller falls around Ithaca (at the very south end of Cayuga
Lake) and Watkins Glen (at the south end of Seneca Lake) but they don't
compare in height to Taughannock. Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek in Ithaca is
not as high, doesn't have as high free fall, but usually has a lot more
water going over it. Lit up at night in the winter, encrusted with ice, it
is quite a sight. There are numerous smaller falls in the State Parks
around Ithaca and Watkins Glen and some that aren't in formal parks but are
fun to explore nonetheless. The gorges are cool places on hot summer
days...
As the bumper sticker says "Ithaca is Gorges."
http://www.taughannock.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ruth
Barton
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
>
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
was a very high water fall.
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:15:30 -0400
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Jim Follett wrote:
>Tell them about "gorging out".
>
Ouch!
With Cornell there is a great deal of pressure on the students and
would-be students and it is unfortunate that quite a few of them do not
make it.
A very close friend of mine his younger sister was running away from her
mother and jumped off one of the stone bridges.
It is about a hundred feet down to the flat stone bed of the stream.
A friend who was a writer we are not sure if he was depressed or clumsy.
He was sitting on a parapet of the same stone bridge talking with his
friends.
They turned about and when they turned back he was gone.
Another friend, a fellow who became an apprentice to stonemasonry and
continues in the art, was with his father fishing in the inlet.
They came upon the body of a girl, a floater that had been missing.
Not such a good day for them fishing.
Around about this time I was working on a long serial poem, Gorging Out.
I was immersed in the lore and mythology and reality of people jumping
to their death.
Suddenly all these folks gorged out, and a few others did themselves in
through other means.
Including my brother's best friend who lived in our house and worked
with me.
He hung himself in his parent's basement.
A poet that I knew shot himself in the head.
For me the time provided a traumatic personal experience and for the
longest time I was afraid to have relationships. I stopped writing.
I do not know where the original manuscript is at... I'm afraid to look
for it.
It gave me a very spooky sense of relationship between ritual, sign,
symbol and reality.
][<en
from Stone Roses
And Some Break Free
My friend's sister was running
from the arms of her mother
when she came to the stone bridge
of the stone gorge and jumped
to her death,
and I sinned
with envy that she was free.
We look to our death,
a speck on peripheral vision
fading when viewed directly,
a Pleiades with naked vision
that we question our senses
if it is there a shadow distant,
or for the moment not.
I sinned, and sinned
to let my friend see
I held the dark potential within,
of sight embracing shadows
in flight within a water stone.
In the pained eyes
of each unloved child
there I see myself.
Not for them,
or around them,
but there am I.
He ran from me not knowing
into his own not knowing --
living it is easier to not know
how death begs
to always keep us running.
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I don't have any direct memories of "gorging out" (just reading about it =
in the papers) but I do have many memories of me trying to climb the =
walls, not in a serious way using ropes and hardware, but just seeing a =
spot where it looked like I could climb and giving it a go. It usually =
ended with me finding the shale was breaking up so bad that I had to =
back down (never much fun). Strange for someone who is pretty scared of =
heights. I also have similar memories of trying to climb the willow =
trees along the shore at Taughannock State Park only to have to back =
down. You'd think I'd learn...
I think I went down in the gorge once to the spot where someone had =
landed a few days after the fact but I don't remember any sign of the =
incident other than some left over cloth (probably part of the clean =
up). =20
My parents' house about 1/4 the way up the East Buffalo Street hill gave =
me easy access to Cascadilla Gorge, one of the lesser gorges in the =
area, via a somewhat gradual slope off the end of Willets Place (I used =
another one off the end of Fountain Place as a shortcut to get to high =
school). We moved there after I left the sixth grade (the point where I =
went from elementary school to junior high school) so I was at an age =
when exploring and adventures in the gorge were a major part of my "free =
time" in the summer (do kids have that anymore?). Though not as deep or =
wide as Fall Creek, Six Mile Creek, or the State Park gorges Cascadilla =
had a wonderful, if crumbling, path going up through it complete with =
arched stone bridges. The water channel of the gorge varies from maybe =
ten feet wide at the narrowest cataracts to wide flat areas of flat rock =
that are maybe twenty or thirty feet wide and go on for fifty or more =
feet at a time before being broken by a fall of maybe a foot or two. =
(I'm picturing this from memories more than 30 years old.)
The main attraction of the gorge was its central location, right between =
Ithaca and Cornell, so in good weather it could be an alternate route to =
downtown though I imagine few used it for that. In addition to the main =
path down the bottom of the gorge there also were paths that came down =
the sides from, for instance, the twisty street on the north side, =
Cascadilla Park Road, but these were in considerably worse shape. =
Cascadilla Park Road is Ithaca's version of Lombard Street in San =
Franciso only much narrower and less travelled (signs on the street =
discourage through traffic). One hot summer day back around 1969 or =
1970 when a friend and I were hanging around in and above the gorge we =
noticed a young couple (maybe high school senior age--we were two or =
three years younger) coupling on one of the very narrow dirt paths that =
went to Cascadilla Park Road, enjoying what I think they thought was a =
very private moment (or perhaps not caring--I think there were some =
drugs around at the time that could have that effect). =20
With that friend in town this week (now with a wife, also a Cornellian) =
and young teenage boys I think we'll have to see if the gorge trail is =
still passable...
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From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Gabriel
Orgrease
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:16 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] Gorging Out
Jim Follett wrote:
>Tell them about "gorging out".
>
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Subject: Re: Gorging Out, Kansas City-style...
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 12:17:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
We moved there after I left the sixth grade (the point where I went from
elementary school to junior high school) so I was at an age when exploring and
adventures in the gorge were a major part of my "free time" in the summer (do
kids have that anymore?).
The Planned Suburb in which I grew up was full of little triangular parks,
yellowish Missouri sandstone full of big "worm cut in half" fossils, and creeks
and brooks that had been allowed to run wild through the houses, and were even
protected as picturesque landscape features. The exception was Brush Creek,
a wide sweeping creek running right next to the Country Club Plaza ("the first
shopping center in America!!!"). Brush Creek had a nasty habit of
overflowing and spilling onto the Plaza, destroying stock and reducing Shopping Days,
which still are an article of faith. (It overflowed because the Plaza was built
up on the site of a broad marsh next to the creek, but not high enough. So
the creek got the blame, of course.)
The local machine boss, "Big Tom" Prendergast, scammed more money by widening
Brush Creek and paving it, to speed the runoff downstream (thus inundating, I
assume, the low-blue collar neighborhood below the neighborhood). The
result was something like the drainage ditches in Los Angeles used in action movie
chase scenes - somehow "Kansas City Police Department" never caught on with
the networks, though.
But it was great for kids learning to ride their bicycles, and who wanted to
make dams in the little 24" wide paved gully at the center, which carried the
little flow in off-flood periods. We had a great time playing in the water
there; it was a low curving gully, and you could right your bike across and in
it, splashing your pants.
About ten years ago I visited Kansas City again, and took my kids on a walk
down Brush Creek. I realized I had never noticed the peculiar odor of Brush
Creek. Then I saw the outfall pipes coming out of the embankment, which I had
always assumed they were rainwater storm drains from the streets of the Plaza
itself.
However, I could see that this one led to the Brooks Brothers store, right at
the head of the embankment. There was physical evidence that what we were
playing in, and damming up, was ... from their bathroom.
Christopher
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The Planned Suburb in which I grew up wa=
s full of little triangular parks, yellowish Missouri sandstone full of big=20=
"worm cut in half" fossils, and creeks and brooks that had been allowed to r=
un wild through the houses, and were even protected as picturesque landscape=
features. The exception was Brush Creek, a wide sweeping creek runnin=
g right next to the Country Club Plaza ("the first shopping center in Americ=
a!!!"). Brush Creek had a nasty habit of overflowing and spilling onto=
the Plaza, destroying stock and reducing Shopping Days, which still are an=20=
article of faith. (It overflowed because the Plaza was built up on the=
site of a broad marsh next to the creek, but not high enough. So the=20=
creek got the blame, of course.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The local machine boss, "Big Tom" Prende=
rgast, scammed more money by widening Brush Creek and paving it, to speed th=
e runoff downstream (thus inundating, I assume, the low-blue collar neighbor=
hood below the neighborhood). The result was something like the=20=
drainage ditches in Los Angeles used in action movie chase scenes - somehow=20=
"Kansas City Police Department" never caught on with the networks, though.</=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">But it was great for kids learning to ri=
de their bicycles, and who wanted to make dams in the little 24" wide paved=20=
gully at the center, which carried the little flow in off-flood periods.&nbs=
p; We had a great time playing in the water there; it was a low curving gull=
y, and you could right your bike across and in it, splashing your pants=
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">About ten years ago I visited Kansa=
s City again, and took my kids on a walk down Brush Creek. I realized=20=
I had never noticed the peculiar odor of Brush Creek. Then I saw the outfall=
pipes coming out of the embankment, which I had always assumed they we=
re rainwater storm drains from the streets of the Plaza itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">However, I could see that this one led t=
o the Brooks Brothers store, right at the head of the embankment. Ther=
e was physical evidence that what we were playing in, and damming up, was ..=
. from their bathroom. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Christopher </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:47:34 -0400
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Subject: Re: Gorging Out, Kansas City-style...
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Chris:
=20
I did a little search on Brush Creek in KC MO and came up with =
Southmoreland Park on Brush Creek Blvd. I pulled up the map for it and =
right there is your Country Club Plaza.
=20
http://kansascity.citysearch.com/map?mode=3Dgeo =
<http://kansascity.citysearch.com/map?mode=3Dgeo&id=3D11505664&map_lat=3D=
390422&map_lon=3D-945861&fid=3D10&cslink=3Dprofile_map_noncust&ulink=3Dpr=
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&id=3D11505664&map_lat=3D390422&map_lon=3D-945861&fid=3D10&cslink=3Dprofi=
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=20
Interesting how even back then they named malls after images that are =
far from the reality of the shopping experience.
=20
So are you saying that despite what people who shop at Brooks Bros. may =
think their shit in fact does stink?
=20
Bruce (with either way too much time or far more distasteful things to =
do--that "displacement activity" thing going on...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Met =
History
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Gorging Out, Kansas City-style...
The Planned Suburb in which I grew up was full of little triangular =
parks, yellowish Missouri sandstone full of big "worm cut in half" =
fossils, and creeks and brooks that had been allowed to run wild through =
the houses, and were even protected as picturesque landscape features. =
The exception was Brush Creek, a wide sweeping creek running right next =
to the Country Club Plaza ("the first shopping center in America!!!"). =
Brush Creek had a nasty habit of overflowing and spilling onto the =
Plaza, destroying stock and reducing Shopping Days, which still are an =
article of faith. (It overflowed because the Plaza was built up on the =
site of a broad marsh next to the creek, but not high enough. So the =
creek got the blame, of course.)
>
>
However, I could see that this one led to the Brooks Brothers store, =
right at the head of the embankment. There was physical evidence that =
what we were playing in, and damming up, was ... from their bathroom. =20
>
=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004>Chris:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004>I did a little search on Brush =
Creek in KC=20
MO and came up with Southmoreland Park on Brush Creek Blvd. I pulled up =
the map=20
for it and right there is your Country Club Plaza.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004><A=20
href=3D"http://kansascity.citysearch.com/map?mode=3Dgeo&id=3D11505664=
&map_lat=3D390422&map_lon=3D-945861&fid=3D10&cslink=3Dpro=
file_map_noncust&ulink=3Dprofile_10_vitalinfo_1___map__1">http://kans=
ascity.citysearch.com/map?mode=3Dgeo&id=3D11505664&map_lat=3D3904=
22&map_lon=3D-945861&fid=3D10&cslink=3Dprofile_map_noncust&am=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004>Interesting how even back then =
they=20
named <SPAN class=3D594474217-19072004>m</SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D594474217-19072004>alls </SPAN>after images that are far from =
the reality=20
of the shopping experience.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004><SPAN =
class=3D594474217-19072004>So are you=20
saying that despite what people who shop at Brooks Bros. may think =
their=20
shit in fact does stink?</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D155144017-19072004>Bruce<SPAN =
class=3D594474217-19072004> (with=20
either way too much time or far more distasteful things to do--that=20
"displacement activity" thing going on...)</SPAN></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy bent lead =
pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Met=20
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 19, 2004 11:41 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
Gorging=20
Out, Kansas City-style...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The Planned Suburb in which I grew =
up was=20
full of little triangular parks, yellowish Missouri sandstone full of =
big=20
"worm cut in half" fossils, and creeks and brooks that had been =
allowed to run=20
wild through the houses, and were even protected as picturesque =
landscape=20
features. The exception was Brush Creek, a wide sweeping creek =
running=20
right next to the Country Club Plaza ("the first shopping center in=20
America!!!"). Brush Creek had a nasty habit of overflowing and =
spilling=20
onto the Plaza, destroying stock and reducing Shopping Days, which =
still are=20
an article of faith. (It overflowed because the Plaza was built =
up on=20
the site of a broad marsh next to the creek, but not high =
enough. So the=20
creek got the blame, of course.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D594474217-19072004><FONT=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D594474217-19072004><FONT=20
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">However, I could see that this one =
led to=20
the Brooks Brothers store, right at the head of the embankment. =
There=20
was physical evidence that what we were playing in, and damming up, =
was ...=20
from their bathroom. <BR></FONT><SPAN=20
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:43:40 -0600
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Subject: Re: [A2-BULK] Re: [BP] Ralph would a liked this...
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Ah come on Ralph, roll with it...
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:30 AM
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In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
"When I was a kid in Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls
dormitory at OU in which the one way windows had been installed the
wrong way round - apparently all of the co-eds were primping in front of
what they thought were mirrors and everyone on the outside had an
eyeful. The error was corrected post haste."
Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, and wouldn't be
specified for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be fabricated by mistake
for installation in exterior windows (especially not for a dorm's worth,
which could be close, quantity-wise, to a shitload), either. And even if it
was, the chickies wouldn't do their face-fixing in front of an exterior
window even if it looked like a mirror anyway.
Ralph
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lead pipe.=20
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</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:30=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px =
solid"><FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial>"When I was a =
kid in=20
Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls<BR>dormitory at OU in =
which=20
the one way windows had been installed the<BR>wrong way round - =
apparently=20
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were=20
mirrors and everyone on the outside had an<BR>eyeful. The error was=20
corrected post haste."</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><STRONG>Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, =
and=20
wouldn't be specified for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be =
fabricated=20
by mistake for installation in exterior windows (especially not for a =
dorm's=20
worth, which could be close, quantity-wise, to a shitload), =
either. And=20
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an=20
exterior window even if it looked like a mirror anyway. =20
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:08:39 -0400
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Could it be that the glass had low-e, somewhat-reflective face on it, =
not that it was actually one-way glass, and the installers didn't pick =
up on the difference of one side to the other?=20
=20
Of course, depending on how long ago the original writer was "a kid in =
OK," maybe that low-e reflective glass hadn't come into vogue (or even =
manufacture) yet. It seems to me it is a relatively new (25 year old) =
invention?
=20
I'm with Jim--it makes for a good urban legend so roll with it.
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Ah come on Ralph, roll with it...
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In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
"When I was a kid in Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls
dormitory at OU in which the one way windows had been installed the
wrong way round - apparently all of the co-eds were primping in front of
what they thought were mirrors and everyone on the outside had an
eyeful. The error was corrected post haste."
=20
Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, and wouldn't be =
specified for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be fabricated by =
mistake for installation in exterior windows (especially not for a =
dorm's worth, which could be close, quantity-wise, to a shitload), =
either. And even if it was, the chickies wouldn't do their face-fixing =
in front of an exterior window even if it looked like a mirror anyway. =
=20
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D090215717-19072004>Could it be that the glass had =
low-e,=20
somewhat-reflective face on it, not that it was actually one-way glass, =
and the=20
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other? </SPAN></DIV>
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ago the original writer was "a kid in OK," maybe that low-e =
reflective=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D090215717-19072004>I'm with Jim--it makes for a good =
urban=20
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face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy bent =
lead pipe.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Jim=20
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 19, 2004 1:44 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP]=20
[A2-BULK] Re: [BP] Ralph would a liked this...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D109124318-19072004>Ah come on Ralph, roll with=20
it...</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy bent =
lead pipe.=20
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</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 18, 2004 8:30=20
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/18/2004 1:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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solid"><FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial>"When I was a =
kid in=20
Oklahoma, there was a news item about a girls<BR>dormitory at OU =
in which=20
the one way windows had been installed the<BR>wrong way round - =
apparently=20
all of the co-eds were primping in front of<BR>what they thought =
were=20
mirrors and everyone on the outside had an<BR>eyeful. The error =
was=20
corrected post haste."</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Well, I don't buy it. One-way glass ain't cheap, =
and=20
wouldn't be specified for use in a regular window, and wouldn't be=20
fabricated by mistake for installation in exterior windows =
(especially not=20
for a dorm's worth, which could be close, quantity-wise, to a =
shitload),=20
either. And even if it was, the chickies wouldn't do their =
face-fixing=20
in front of an exterior window even if it looked like a mirror=20
anyway. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
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Ha - too funny - here's a great pic of the glorious "Flush Creek" ...
"peculiar odor" is a nice way of saying it...the funniest part is that
they're now offering boat tours of the creek, complete with dead rats
and assorted other floaters. Good stuff.
http://www.umkc.edu/sites/env-sci/bcvft/vftstart.htm
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Thought you might like this to go with the Chicago cut glass.
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 1:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ah come on Ralph, roll with it...
Jim,
Easy for you to say. You must not have a stick up your ass.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/19/2004 1:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Jim,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Easy for you to say. You must not have a stick up your=20
ass.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:22:00 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 2:10:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm with Jim--it makes for a good urban legend so roll with it.
So now we're propagating untrue, and impossible, stories as "urban legends?"
We Pinheads are supposed to aid in the illumination of places where the sun
don't shine, instead of obscuring areas which might be more enjoyably made
visible.
Tut, tut. Or Heh, heh. I forget which.
Ralph
PS-- And speaking of places where the sun don't shine, I doubt that this
Brooks Bros Sewage Outlet in Kansas City was the nation's first shopping mall,
and certainly Brooks wasn't vending haberdashery on site in KC in the
50's-60's. The first shopping mall would've been a Victor Gruen project, near
either Minneapolis [or one of those snow and scotch tape cities up there) or The
Holy City of Chicago. Seems to me there was something on this in Hysteric
Preservation a few months back. Or was it The Times?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/19/2004 2:10:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
FONT=20
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so=20
roll with it.</SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>So now we're propagating untrue, and impossible, stories as "ur=
ban=20
legends?"</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>We Pinheads are supposed to aid in the illumination of pla=
ces=20
where the sun don't shine, instead of obscuring areas which might be more=20
enjoyably made visible. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Tut, tut. Or Heh, heh. I forget=20
which.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>PS-- And speaking of places where the sun don't shine,&nb=
sp;I=20
doubt that this Brooks Bros Sewage Outlet in Kansas City was the nation's fi=
rst=20
shopping mall, and certainly Brooks wasn't vending haberdashery on site in K=
C in=20
the 50's-60's. The first shopping mall would've been a Victor Gruen=20
project, near either Minneapolis [or one of those snow and scotch=20=
tape=20
cities up there) or The Holy City of Chicago. Seems to me there w=
as=20
something on this in Hysteric Preservation a few months back. Or was i=
t=20
The Times?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:33:09 EDT
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gorging Out, Kansas City-style...
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 12:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
The result was something like the drainage ditches in Los Angeles used in
action movie chase scenes - somehow "Kansas City Police Department" never
caught on with the networks, though.
I got news for youse Jews: those LAPD drainage ditches are the Los Angeles
River. And the (black and white) Daily Planet Building from our yout' is the
LA Public Library (or maybe it's the City Hall... it's been awhile)
And the reason they used them in the movies, and why KCPD never caught on
but LAPD did, is cause the movies were made in LA, cause the weather is better
(in fact there isn't any weather) and that's where the movie (and TV) studios
were. Why in God's name would anybody want to go to Kansas City, or BE in
Kansas City, when they could be in LA?
Ralph
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 7/19/2004 12:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><=
FONT=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=
=3D3>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The result was something like the drai=
nage=20
ditches in Los Angeles used in action movie chase scenes - somehow "Kansas=
=20
City Police Department" never caught on with the networks,=20
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE=
></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I got news for youse Jews: those LAPD drainage ditches ar=
e=20
the Los Angeles River. And the (black and white) Daily Planet Building=
=20
from our yout' is the LA Public Library (or maybe it's the City Hall... it's=
=20
been awhile)</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>And the reason they used them in the movies, and why KCPD never=
=20
caught on but LAPD did, is cause the movies were made in LA, cause the weath=
er=20
is better (in fact there <U>isn't</U> any weather) and that's where the movi=
e=20
(and TV) studios were. Why in God's name would anybody want to g=
o to=20
Kansas City, or BE in Kansas City, when they could be in=20
LA?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:46:26 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gorging Out, Kansas City-style... Route 66
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 6:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I got news for youse Jews: those LAPD drainage ditches are the Los Angeles
River. And the (black and white) Daily Planet Building from our yout' is the
LA Public Library (or maybe it's the City Hall... it's been awhile)
Is it true that Kookie Byrnes was gay? And, how would you know ... anyway?
Sincerely, John Beresford Eldorado
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/19/2004 6:33:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, RLWALTR@=
AOL.COM writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got news for youse Jews:&nb=
sp; those LAPD drainage ditches are the Los Angeles River. And the (bl=
ack and white) Daily Planet Building from our yout' is the LA Public Library=
(or maybe it's the City Hall... it's been awhile)</FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUO=
TE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Is it true that Kookie Byrnes was gay?&n=
bsp; And, how would you know ... anyway?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:07:29 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gorging Out,
Kansas City-style... Route 66...Or three routes further
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In a message dated 7/19/2004 6:46:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Is it true that Kookie Byrnes was gay? Well....uhhhh...errrrr, mmmmm....I'm
sure....I...don't know. Not myself. And none of my then-5-year-old friends
said anything about that sort of thing. Not then, anyway. I met Richard
Chamberlain when I was about 10 or 12 and he was playing Dr. Kildare, and he
seemed OK, too.
But now that you mention it, we had neighbors that my mother referred to as
"The Bachelors" a few doors up the street, who had bought my friend Marshall
Wall's house and put in a pool. With high, pink concrete block walls around
it. And my other friend John's father moved out (took his Shopsmith and
Willys Woody with him, but left the newly-installed pool and it's "Pool Rules"
sign, the last of which was "no weein'"), [where DOES the comma belong there,
amidst the apostrophe, quotation mark and close paren?] and in moved John's
mother's friend Claudia (known as Claudia Hopper; I seem to remember that she
drove a convertible). Not long after THAT Claudia and John's mother bought a
tester bed and slept in it together. But I'm sure there wasn't anything
untoward about that, either. And, how would you know ... anyway? Oh, uhh, I
know about things, alright. Me and my good friend Cosmo Kramer. Like the
business about the one way mirrors in the girls' dorm, and the time I went into
the bar, and I told the girl who pinched my ass that that wasn't a very nice
thing to do.
Sign me,
Einstein on the Beach
Corrections:
That article about Victor Gruen and the first shopping center was in The New
Yorker (yes, The New Yorker), not Histo Presto or The Times. The building
used as The Daily Planet Building on the Superman TV show was the LA City
Hall, not the liberry. And when the girl pinched my ass, it WAS a nice thing to
do.
Sincerely, John Beresford Eldorado I thought that was Cadillac Eldorado.
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Is it true that Kookie Byrnes was gay?=
=20
<STRONG>Well....uhhhh...errrrr, mmmmm....I'm sure....I...don't know. =
Not=20
myself. And none of my then-5-year-old friends said anything ab=
out=20
that sort of thing. Not then, anyway. I met Richard Chamberlai=
n=20
when I was about 10 or 12 and he was playing Dr. Kildare, and he seemed OK=
,=20
too. </STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
000=20
size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>But now that you mention it,=
we had=20
neighbors that my mother referred to as "The Bachelors" a few doors up the=20
street, who had bought my friend Marshall Wall's house and put in a=20
pool. With high, pink concrete block walls around it. And my=
=20
other friend John's father moved out (took his Shopsmith and Willy=
s=20
Woody with him, but left the newly-installed pool and it's "Pool Rules" sign=
,=20
the last of which was "no weein'"), [where DOES the comma belong there, amid=
st=20
the apostrophe, quotation mark and close paren?] and in moved John's=20
mother's friend Claudia (known as Claudia Hopper; I seem to remember that sh=
e=20
drove a convertible). Not long after THAT Claudia and John's mother bo=
ught=20
a tester bed and slept in it together. But I'm sure there wasn't anyth=
ing=20
untoward about that, either. </STRONG> And, how would you know=20
... anyway? <STRONG>Oh, uhh, I know about things, alright. =20=
Me=20
and my good friend Cosmo Kramer. Like the business about the one way mirrors=
in=20
the girls' dorm, and the time I went into the bar, and I told the girl who=20
pinched my ass that that wasn't a very nice thing to=20
do. </STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
000=20
size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></FONT> =
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>Sign=20
me,</STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Einstein on the=20
Beach</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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000=20
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<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
000=20
size=3D3><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>That article about Victor Gr=
uen and=20
the first shopping center was in The New Yorker (yes, The New Yorker), not H=
isto=20
Presto or The Times. The building used as The Daily Planet Build=
ing=20
on the Superman TV show was the LA City Hall, not the liberry. An=
d=20
when the girl pinched my ass, it WAS a nice thing to=20
do.</STRONG></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Sincerely, John Beresford=20
Eldorado <STRONG>I thought that was Cadillac=20
Eldorado.</STRONG></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:05:55 -0400
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Funny, I was out at Taughannock Falls on Sunday (returning from reunion
#25), and I didn't see a rock pile at the bottom. Maybe it's getting
washed/eroded away. Still pretty spectacular to see!
- Pam
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From: "Bruce Marcham" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 13:17
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> A very high water falls at the end of one of the Finger Lakes (actually
about 13 miles north of the south end) was probably Taughannock Falls State
Park on Cayuga Lake, once claiming to be the highest falls east of the
Rockies or some such thing at 215 feet. I think a rock slide or cave-in
under the falls ended that claim back about 20 years ago--the water used to
fall directly into the plunge pool but now hits a rock pile at the bottom.
>
> There are other smaller falls around Ithaca (at the very south end of
Cayuga Lake) and Watkins Glen (at the south end of Seneca Lake) but they
don't compare in height to Taughannock. Ithaca Falls on Fall Creek in
Ithaca is not as high, doesn't have as high free fall, but usually has a lot
more water going over it. Lit up at night in the winter, encrusted with
ice, it is quite a sight. There are numerous smaller falls in the State
Parks around Ithaca and Watkins Glen and some that aren't in formal parks
but are fun to explore nonetheless. The gorges are cool places on hot
summer days...
>
> As the bumper sticker says "Ithaca is Gorges."
>
> http://www.taughannock.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Easy bent lead pipe.
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ruth
> Barton
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:21 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
>
> >
> they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and
> we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there
> was a very high water fall.
> >
>
> --
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:06:46 -0400
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I don't know if they still do. I remember destroying many a swimsuit on
that slide.
- Pam
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From: "Cuyler Page" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 13:32
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> Lovely travelogue, Bruce. Don't forget Buttermilk Falls where you could
> slide down the slippery face of the falls into the swimming pool at the
> bottom - or do they still allow that?
>
>
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I got to wrap up bandages into pretty little packets and mop the mess hall.
Seeing as this was about 5 years ago, I was allowed a cup of coffee since
they figured (rightly) that I would have a headache otherwise.
- Pam
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Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 20:31
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> Excellent. All I ever did in OA was whack weeds and clean out latrines.
> Oh, yes... and I was sort of maybe on the indian dance team for a while.
>
> ][<en
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As I mentioned a minute ago, I was at my 25th reunion this past weekend. =
We had to drive through Trumansburg to get there. It was around 5:00 =
PM, and I noticed that the Rongovian Embassy sign was up and the door =
was open (although no lights on) and there were people hanging on the =
front stoop. I don't know if this means the place reopened (we'd heard =
it shut down last year, or maybe it was this past March, which why I =
took particular notice of the sign still hanging). Figured I'd let =
y'all know for those who care to know.
- Pam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As I mentioned a minute ago, I was at =
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there. It was around 5:00 PM, and I noticed that the Rongovian =
Embassy=20
sign was up and the door was open (although no lights on) and there were =
people=20
hanging on the front stoop. I don't know if this means the place =
reopened=20
(we'd heard it shut down last year, or maybe it was this past March, =
which why I=20
took particular notice of the sign still hanging). Figured I'd let =
y'all=20
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T-burg would not be the same without the Rongo, might be an investment
opportunity there. Lori and I were at a banquet a few months back, one of
the woman at the table went to I.C., she was explaining how her and friends
used to go to the Rongo, wanted to know if I'd ever heard of the place. I
used to smoke cigars with Brookes, the original owner, yea I know the place.
Where's the Buick now?
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Pamela S.
Follett
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] For those going through Trumansburg
As I mentioned a minute ago, I was at my 25th reunion this past weekend.
We had to drive through Trumansburg to get there. It was around 5:00 PM,
and I noticed that the Rongovian Embassy sign was up and the door was open
(although no lights on) and there were people hanging on the front stoop. I
don't know if this means the place reopened (we'd heard it shut down last
year, or maybe it was this past March, which why I took particular notice of
the sign still hanging). Figured I'd let y'all know for those who care to
know.
- Pam
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there. Lori and I were at a banquet a few months back, one of the woman =
at the=20
table went to I.C., she was explaining how her and friends used to go to =
the=20
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there=20
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means the=20
place reopened (we'd heard it shut down last year, or maybe it was =
this past=20
March, which why I took particular notice of the sign still =
hanging). =20
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:54:07 -0400
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In re sliding on Buttermilk Falls, from:
http://www.familytravelguides.com/articles/easternseaboardstates/New_York=
_State/nyparks.html
>
Buttermilk Creek cascades down rocks spilling into a natural pool at the =
base of the falls and makes a terrific swimming hole. Up until a few =
years ago, swimmers could scramble up the rocks and slide down-which was =
tremendous fun, although quite dangerous, so it's not surprising that =
swimming is now limited to the pool. The park offers 7-1/2 miles of =
hiking trails on 751 acres, including a nature trail around marshy Larch =
Meadows, and a 15-acre lake for fishing.=20
(7 cabins with public toilets and showers, 4 cots, refrigerators, and =
electricity. 61 campsites.)=20
>
In re the rock slide at Taughannock Falls this from a 1998 International =
Society of Chemical Ecology newsletter reporting on their visit to a =
conference at Ithaca (though I doubt it refers to the one I remember--I =
think it happened in the mid-'80's):
http://www.chemecol.org/newsletters/vol_15_3.html#ithaca
>
The winery tour participants were even treated to a spectacular rock =
slide when they made a stop to see the Taughannock Falls.=20
>
I called my brother who worked at Taughannock after I did (I think I was =
there the summer of '76 and he was there in the mid-80's) and his =
recollection was that a guy was swimming in the pool when he was hit by =
a rock in the shoulder (if he'd been hit in the head it would've killed =
him instantly). Not sure how big the rock was but apparently it wasn't =
the substantial cave-in that I remembered it as being. I was up the =
trail a few years ago and I thought I remembered there was a pile of =
stone under the falls, maybe just on the right side back behind it, but =
my memory may be wrong on that. Anyway, the guy sued the State and won =
so when my brother worked there he had to spend a lot of time enforcing =
the rule to stay back from the falls (I spent most of my time telling =
people to put their dogs on a leash and picking up Polaroid film packs =
and discarded diapers).
Back when I was young I remember there was a cage made of chain link =
fence over part of the trail going up to the falls. It was at the point =
that the trail made a sweeping curve to the right with an area that was =
shedding stone right up to the edge of the trail on the left (as you =
were going up the gorge). It wouldn't have stopped a major slide but =
maybe it was just to catch stones that were coming down from smaller =
slides. It was removed by the time I worked there.
In re the Rongo closing I think that was an ugly rumor (an urban legend =
no less) that I picked up while tasting wine at The Red Newt Winery over =
on Seneca Lake. But then again...the Rongo home page suggests they were =
closed for a time:
http://www.therongo.com/
Bruce ("there you go again...")
-----Original Message-----
From: Easy bent lead pipe. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Pamela S. =
Follett
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [BP] For those going through Trumansburg
As I mentioned a minute ago, I was at my 25th reunion this past weekend. =
We had to drive through Trumansburg to get there. It was around 5:00 =
PM, and I noticed that the Rongovian Embassy sign was up and the door =
was open (although no lights on) and there were people hanging on the =
front stoop. I don't know if this means the place reopened (we'd heard =
it shut down last year, or maybe it was this past March, which why I =
took particular notice of the sign still hanging). Figured I'd let =
y'all know for those who care to know.
- Pam
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Bruce -
Slow research day, eh? Well, maybe you didn't fall for an urban legend
(something I would hope you wouldn't since you're always so quick to point
them out). Or, the Rongo is in on the ruse. From their web site (all one
page of it so far:-)), it says they've reopened. If you hover over the
links, it says it's back under new management.
Jim -
You're not a silent investor, are you?
- Pam
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Subject: Re: [BP] For those going through Trumansburg
>
> In re the Rongo closing I think that was an ugly rumor (an urban legend no
less) that I picked up while tasting wine at The Red Newt Winery over on
Seneca Lake. But then again...the Rongo home page suggests they were closed
for a time:
>
> http://www.therongo.com/
>
>
> Bruce ("there you go again...")
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Subject: Thoughts?
Chicago Tribune
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Stadium has lost landmark look, U.S. says
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By Hal Dardick and David Mendell, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune staff
reporter Gary Washburn contributed to this report
July 21, 2004
Setting a flying saucer stadium inside the classical columns of Soldier
Field destroyed its historic character, so the structure should be stripped
of its National Historic Landmark status, federal architecture analysts said
this week.
The National Park Service on Tuesday sent its recommendation to withdraw
landmark status, the highest honor the government bestows on buildings and
places, from the Chicago Park District, which owns the structure. Federal
officials also recommended removing the venerable stadium from the National
Register of Historic Places.
That was the first step in a monthslong process to decide whether the
stadium will lose its historic designations, something historic
preservationists warned would be triggered by the controversial $660 million
renovation of the Bears' home.
Soldier Field "no longer retains its historic integrity," states a
three-page report written by staff for the National Park System Advisory
Board. "The futuristic new stadium bowl is visually incompatible with the
classical colonnades and the perimeter wall of the historic stadium."
"During the process of new construction, many historic features and spaces
were obliterated," it continues. "With the exception of the colonnades,
exterior walls and a small seating area on the south end of the bowl, very
little of the historic fabric remains."
The report now goes to the Advisory Board Landmarks Committee, which in
September will make a recommendation to the full board, which will forward
its recommendation to the U.S. secretary of the interior for a decision.
If the stadium is stripped of the designations, neither the city nor the
Bears, which paid for much of the renovation, will lose any funding. The
field also would not lose any protected status.
But it would lose the prestige of being considered one of the nation's most
historic structures.
"National Historic Landmark status is la creme de la creme of listed
National Historic Register properties in the United States," said David
Bahlman, president of the Landmarks Preservation Council of Illinois, a
not-for-profit group that, along with Friends of the Parks, unsuccessfully
sued to block the Soldier Field renovation.
Of about 78,000 properties on the National Register, fewer than 3,000 also
have landmark status, said Carol Shull, keeper of the National Register and
chief of the National Historic Landmarks Survey.
Other places on the list include the White House, Monticello, the Empire
State Building and Frank Lloyd Wright's Home and Studio in Oak Park.
Critics of the stadium redesign by Chicago architect Dirk Lohan have decried
how it altered the structure, which first opened in 1924 and was named in
honor of World War I veterans. But Mayor Richard M. Daley, whose
administration helped fund the renovation, has long defended it.
Daley spokeswoman Jacquelyn Heard said Tuesday that despite the
recommendation, Soldier Field could end up keeping its designation.
"Our expectation has always been that the columns would keep landmark
status, if not the stadium as a whole because of the renovation," Heard
said, noting that the process has just started.
"It is entirely possible that our expectation could [come] true."
In 2001, before the renovation started, Park District officials dismissed
threats that the federal government would strip the site of its landmark status.
David Doig, then general superintendent of the Park District, noted that the
National Park Service in the mid-1990s backed off its promise to remove the
same status from Adler Planetarium. The saucerlike addition to the
planetarium also was designed by Lohan.
But in the case of Soldier Field, the Park Service has followed up on its
warnings--the first of which came in March 2001 before the renovation was
even approved--with a written recommendation. That and the public meetings
to follow are expected to rekindle a debate pitting historic
preservationists against avant-garde architects.
The preservationists have railed against the design, but it has won praise
in some architectural circles.
New York Times architecture critic Herbert Muschamp wrote that the
renovation should be viewed as "a model for cities that are looking toward
architecture to strengthen their identities as contemporary cultural centers."
Opposition to the renovation was fierce in 2001, when the city's Plan
Commission first held hearings on the proposal, months after Daley announced
the plan and the General Assembly quickly approved a deal to fund it.
At the Plan Commission meeting, Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd) asked Doig what
the Park District would do if Soldier Field lost its landmark status. "I
think we would move forward," Doig said.
After the Plan Commission approved the deal, Friends of the Parks and the
Landmarks Preservation Council sued, in part contending the design would
ruin Soldier Field's historic character.
One suit was taken to the Illinois Supreme Court, but the groups lost.
Erma Tranter, president of Friends of the Parks, said Tuesday that the Park
Service recommendation "doesn't surprise us. It was clearly one of our
arguments when we tried to preserve Soldier Field."
Meanwhile, Jonathan Fine, president of Preservation Chicago, a historic
preservation advocacy group, praised the recommendation.
"It's about time," Fine said.
"If you destroy the landmark, you should be punished for it."
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Hurrah for the NPS and the great big spherical objects!
-jc
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> "If you destroy the landmark, you should be punished for it."
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So my estimator comes back from @ walk through @ 1 e 66th St.-
Evidently a coop building that has
2 french chefs and a kitchen and waiters that you can call downstairs to
to order up whatever you want-
guess that cuts down on the chinese menus...
Except kitchen is closed in august.........
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So my estimator comes back from @ walk through @ 1 e 66th St.-<br>
Evidently a coop building that has<br>
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guess that cuts down on the chinese menus...<br>
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At 10:27 AM -0500 7/21/04, Cricket Washington wrote:
>Chicago Tribune
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>Stadium has lost landmark look, U.S. says
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>
>By Hal Dardick and David Mendell, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune staff
>reporter Gary Washburn contributed to this report
>
>July 21, 2004
>
>Setting a flying saucer stadium inside the classical columns of Soldier
>Field destroyed its historic character, so the structure should be stripped
>of its National Historic Landmark status, federal architecture analysts said
>this week.
I agree one hundred percent!!!!! If they don't do anything the next one
that comes along will just figure they won't do anything to them either.
>Other places on the list include the White House, Monticello, the Empire
>State Building and Frank Lloyd Wright's Home and Studio in Oak Park.
And Rockingham Meeting House in Rockingham, VT, one of the oldest meeting
houses still in use in the country. Ruth
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> >July 21, 2004 >Setting a flying saucer stadium inside the classical
> columns of Soldier
> >Field destroyed its historic character, so the structure should be stripped
> >of its National Historic Landmark status, federal architecture analysts
> said
> >this week.
how about sanding all the life and age out of a vintage building? I think
that would qualify, too. ---C
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In a message dated 7/21/2004 9:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I agree one hundred percent!!!!! If they don't do anything the next one
that comes along will just figure they won't do anything to them either.
Ruth,
You are a true Pinhead. But I have a feeling you always have been.
Yours in Ayup,
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In a message dated 7/21/2004 10:34:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
how about sanding all the life and age out of a vintage building? I think
that would qualify, too. ---C
C--
At the risk of incurring the Wrath of Kahn, which one are you bitching about
now?
And what's the poop on HHPA's breakup? The other two didn't like Hugh
Hardy's car commercials or his determination of what is historic? Or did they get
tired of playing with Mr. Peepee?
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On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:32:29 -0400, Lisa Sasser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Has anybody read Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle?
and let's don't forget stephenson's _zodiac_ ... may need to be scanning it
for ideas if we end up in another four years of roadbuilding earthrending
hell...
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>I still wish we could call it conservation
>
>
>
Historic preservation or historic conservation? The issue re: using the
word 'preservation' or the word 'conservation'. I tend to use either/or
depending on how I feel like it.
Words have their dictionary meaning, their denotation, and they have the
meaning, and sometimes the overloaded multiple meanings, of a
connotation that are not quite specific but understood regardless. It is
an interesting aspect of language that it is always in a fog of
misunderstanding and coupled with our tendency, or ability, to discern
patterns out of chaos (the basis of measure of intelligence quotient) it
somehow is often enough that words are functional to communications.
They make do in a pinch. Philosophers have argued over just such issues
and a few have expended their entire careers, productive and otherwise,
trying to find the exactly correct set of words to unlock all of
reality. The compulsion of exactness in selection of words is the sort
of thing that drives poets into mental hospitals or worse.
I run across people who simply don't know what is being talked about
when the words 'historic conservation' are used. The immediate tendency
is to think that something else than what we actually mean is
intended... possibly along the line of saving habitat of really old
Amazonian tree frogs. We all know how important this cause is and I do
not bring it up with HC's lunch lightly.
Considering the National Trust and their promoting of the word in the
title of their publication, Preservation, the common impression of the
larger populace of people in America who think at all of working on old
buildings is going to be preservation, and not conservation. In turn,
the strict denotation of preservation may cause one to think in terms of
canning pickled plums (and not salty Chinese dried plums). The
connotation in the vernacular in common parlance is one of an expanded
meaning beyond keeping perishables in a fixed state of suspension. When
you say 'historic preservation' people tend to have an immediate idea of
what you may be talking about. In this respect, use 'historic
conservation' freely but at your own risk of possibly being
misunderstood. If you are not misunderstood then you will have gained
something, leastways the knowledge that you can imagine that you are
indeed understood by at least one person. Good luck.
I suspect that use of the words 'historic conservation' also goes
against an ingrained anti-Anglo, anti-European independence. An attitude
that we in the United States are free to call it whatever the hell we
want, despite that the remainder of the civilized world may call our
interest in fixing old structures something else. There seems to be
similar feeling towards gun control and condoms. If your insistence is
on not using the word 'preservation' then possibly you should be
prepared to have your patriotism questioned.
Embrace preservation, reject conservation, or move to Canada!
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>I still wish we could call it conservation<
I guess it comes down to the question of what you call "it". I was
referring to the big picture.
>I suspect that use of the words 'historic conservation' also goes
against an ingrained anti-Anglo, anti-European independence. An attitude
that we in the United States are free to call it whatever the hell we
want, despite that the remainder of the civilized world may call our
interest in fixing old structures something else. There seems to be
similar feeling towards gun control and condoms. If your insistence is
on not using the word 'preservation' then possibly you should be
prepared to have your patriotism questioned.<
I know 1776 changed the way timber frames were built, and I'm sure loads
of other shit, but I'm pretty convinced the substitution of the P word
for the C word wasn't at the top of the list for most revolutionaries.
Now I guess it comes down to what you mean by "fix". Like in apply
enough fixative to keep it standing, or fix the fact that nobody
understands why it's a better idea to keep it than replace it.
For the last couple years I've been intentionally sticking the issue of
conservation in all my building inspection reports and it even made it
into a newspaper article lately that has generated a ton of calls. I
think people are ready to understand the preservation, restoration and
rehabilitation are all forms of conservation and conservation is the
philosophy of keeping something useful. Usefulness in a museum setting
may be best achieved by preservation through stabilization or by
restoration to a specific time period, but for most building "in the
wild", rehabilitation is the best approach. The question is what
constitutes good practice when you rehabilitate a building to a useful
condition?
I find most many clients are scared off by the inference that their
building needs "preservation". Most of them still think "remodeling" or
"fixin" is what they need and they don't want to spend all kinds of
money on preservation. Staying away from the P word seems to allow the
conversation to be steered towards the difference between destructive
and reversible. Of course I am dealing with a bunch of hicks living in a
cow patch.
>Embrace preservation, reject conservation, or move to Canada!<
Do they have socialized conservation up there?
Rude
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such a lovely business ...you meet only the best people.
9 o'clock appointment
George is a grifter and a con man with a dope problem who did some work for
me briefly about a year ago; so it was a surprise when he called me on my
cell as i was 4 wheeling through the back Forrest and swamp with my 4 year old
daughter.
'Suupp Mike ..can I talk for a minuet ; this is George
"Whats going on ? Im down shifting through 2.5 ft of water clutching Mary as
the bike is eating mud. through a fantastic chasm of tropical ravine ...
"Yeah bro " I mean I got to talk to you face to face ;when can i come over ?.
George is on the lam ;(wanted by the police) talking to guys on the juice and
on the lam is always bad business ...
"Yo bro; Im with my family just now ...Whats going on ? This is a secure line
we can talk ..whatsup?
yeah man ..well I did a very bad thing ..bad Mike bad for you ....
Talk to me man ....what do you mean ...
I mean ..well ..a year ago Marty and I boosted some checks form you ;and
well I made them out and left them with a dude to hold as collateral and the
....MF cashed them...
can you believe that ? When I told him to hold them ...."MF"
The bike has now stopped in mid swamp ; bougainvillea and Camilla are
flowering and falling semi sweet through the trees and the abundance of honey suckle
is overwhelming, a soft blood red sun filters the canopy of Forrest as a river
of surface water moves by in colorful patterns
Im clutching Mary ; talking to some crook who wants some sort of deal...my
mind races between anger and outrage while inhaling the perfumed air of the late
afternoon bayou....
Listen man I got the cash ...Sez George
."whaddyamean ya got the cash" what-ar-we- talking here George ? Whats my hit
here
'6 large" ($6000) sez he
"6".....I catch myself from loosing it on this no account ....
the odd thing is he is calling me so I let him talk ....
Whaty are you going to do to me ? he asks
(this is always a loaded question thieves use as it gives options to them
that are never in your favor , mention the law and they are gone ,mention
violence and they long gone
never give options )
Be here at 8am tomorrow morning ; 8 not 9 and bring me what you stole..and
we'll talk...
Or? he asks like he is my girl friend now
Just get here or things will get unpleasant
I hung up...without a conversation.......this guys running scarred;They
boosted the checks out of a work vehicle
my guess is with bench warrants over his head he knows he is toast ...to
threaten him right now is a waste of time ; best to see if he pays you
back..and go from there ....
my leg breaking days are long behind me and the bureaucratic of the legal
system can do nothing to compensate me.
The next morning Geoge drives up with two women ; and I invite him to sit on
my porch;
where I am taking my coffee;the morning is soft with the sounds of song birds
throughout the trees
I tell him to tell the women who are chewing gum and looking bored and out
of place to take a ride which they do and he then proceeds to explain what
happened.
"On my dead fathers grave Mike I meant no harm to you ;Marty boosted it and I
just used it as collateral ...I mean heres your dough ..here take it"
There are 60 $100 bills ..and one extra for pain and suffering
..as I re count he begins a rambling apology of blame on others...
most of it conflicting ....I wave him off ...
"Geoge" I said (counting the money)
is Shorty is looking for you ?
( shorty is a nortorious black man drug dealer and enforcer who George is
dodging)
I could see the beads of sweat forming on Georges faces and the pupils of his
eyes go small and out of touch.
A man like Shorty can be your worse night mare if you are on the wrong side
of him.
The story goes that the last time Shorty missed George it was by seconds at
some safe house or another and Shorty pistol whipped everyone in the house to
give George up .It wasn't pleasant.
The very mention of his name to George stops his visible signs of breathing.
Shorty? Mike you know Shorty ? His eyes study me ;and he begins to look
around
I pause ..."No I don't know Shorty ; .....but Geoge you were my 8 oclock
appointment this morning and well lets put it this way ... if you didn't show
Shorty was going to be my 9 oclock appointment.
......Michael Stonemasons journal
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<DIV>such a lovely business ...you meet only the best people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>9 o'clock appointment</DIV>
<DIV>George is a grifter and a con man with a dope problem who did some work=
for me briefly about a year ago; so it was a surprise when he c=
alled me on my cell as i was 4 wheeling through the back Forrest and sw=
amp with my 4 year old daughter.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>'Suupp Mike ..can I talk for a minuet ; this is George </DIV>
<DIV>"Whats going on ? Im down shifting through 2.5 ft of water&n=
bsp;clutching Mary as the bike is eating mud. through a fantastic chasm of t=
ropical ravine ...</DIV>
<DIV>"Yeah bro " I mean I got to talk to you face to face ;when can i come o=
ver ?.</DIV>
<DIV>George is on the lam ;(wanted by the police) talking to guys on the&nbs=
p;juice and on the lam is always bad business ...</DIV>
<DIV>"Yo bro; Im with my family just now ...Whats going on ? This is a=20=
secure line we can talk ..whatsup?</DIV>
<DIV>yeah man ..well I did a very bad thing ..bad Mike bad for you ....</DIV=
>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Talk to me man ....what do you mean ...</DIV>
<DIV>I mean ..well ..a year ago Marty and I boosted some checks form y=
ou ;and well I made them out and left them with a dude to hold as colla=
teral and the ....MF cashed them...</DIV>
<DIV>can you believe that ? When I told him to hold them ...."MF"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The bike has now stopped in mid swamp ; bougainvillea and Camilla are f=
lowering and falling semi sweet through the trees and the abundance of honey=
suckle is overwhelming, a soft blood red sun filters the canopy o=
f Forrest as a river of surface water moves by in colorful patterns </D=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Im clutching Mary ; talking to some crook who wants some sort of deal..=
.my mind races between anger and outrage while inhaling the perfumed air of=20=
the late afternoon bayou....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Listen man I got the cash ...Sez George</DIV>
<DIV>."whaddyamean ya got the cash" what-ar-we- talking here George ? W=
hats my hit here </DIV>
<DIV>'6 large" ($6000) sez he </DIV>
<DIV>"6".....I catch myself from loosing it on this no account ....</DIV>
<DIV>the odd thing is he is calling me so I let him talk ....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Whaty are you going to do to me ? he asks </DIV>
<DIV>(this is always a loaded question thieves use as it g=
ives options to them that are never in your favor , mention the l=
aw and they are gone ,mention violence and they long gone </DIV>
<DIV>never give options ) </DIV>
<DIV>Be here at 8am tomorrow morning ; 8 not 9 and bring&n=
bsp;me what you stole..and we'll talk...</DIV>
<DIV>Or? he asks like he is my girl friend now </DIV>
<DIV>Just get here or things will get unpleasant </DIV>
<DIV>I hung up...without a conversation.......this guys running scarred;They=
boosted the checks out of a work vehicle </DIV>
<DIV>my guess is with bench warrants over his head he knows he i=
s toast ...to threaten him right now is a waste of time ; be=
st to see if he pays you back..and go from there ....</DIV>
<DIV>my leg breaking days are long behind me and the bureaucratic of the leg=
al system can do nothing to compensate me.</DIV>
<DIV>The next morning Geoge drives up with two women ; and I invite him to s=
it on my porch;</DIV>
<DIV>where I am taking my coffee;the morning is soft with the sounds of song=
birds throughout the trees </DIV>
<DIV> I tell him to tell the women who are chewing gum and looking bore=
d and out of place to take a ride which they do and he=20=
then proceeds to explain what happened.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"On my dead fathers grave Mike I meant no harm to you ;Marty boosted it=
and I just used it as collateral ...I mean heres your dough ..here tak=
e it"</DIV>
<DIV>There are 60 $100 bills ..and one extra for pain and suffering </DIV>
<DIV>..as I re count he begins a rambling apology of blame on others...</DIV=
>
<DIV>most of it conflicting ....I wave him off ...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Geoge" I said (counting the money) </DIV>
<DIV>is Shorty is looking for you ? </DIV>
<DIV>( shorty is a nortorious black man drug dealer and enforcer who George=20=
is dodging)</DIV>
<DIV>I could see the beads of sweat forming on Georges faces and the pupils=20=
of his eyes go small and out of touch.</DIV>
<DIV>A man like Shorty can be your worse night mare if you are on the wrong=20=
side of him.</DIV>
<DIV>The story goes that the last time Shorty missed George it was=
by seconds at some safe house or another and Shorty pistol whip=
ped everyone in the house to give George up .It wasn't pleasant.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The very mention of his name to George stops his visible signs of breat=
hing.</DIV>
<DIV>Shorty? Mike you know Shorty ? His eyes study me ;and he begins to look=
around </DIV>
<DIV>I pause ..."No I don't know Shorty ; .....but Geoge you were my 8 ocloc=
k appointment this morning and well lets put it this way ... if you did=
n't show </DIV>
<DIV>Shorty was going to be my 9 oclock appointment.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>......Michael Stonemasons journal</DIV>
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The aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman went completely cashless earlier
this year. The Navy issued MasterCards to all 5,000 sailors aboard. On payday,
seamen insert cards into a machine that electronically loads money stored onto
each card. They then use the cards for all onboard purchases. The Navy has even
put a swiper by the door of the chapel as a substitute for the Sunday
church-service collection plate, says Cmdr. Boyle McDunn, a chaplain aboard the
Truman.
Some Christians see the pervasive use of plastic as part of a dark biblical
prophecy. Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, has
said that plastic may signal the cashless society of the end times foreshadowed
in the Bible. Mr. Robertson's network accepts contributions from supporters on
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> Embrace preservation, reject conservation, or move to Canada!
>
- where we move so much more slowly that it only looks like conservation.
Hurrah for "The Art of Controlled Decay" as our museum folk call Artefact
Conservation.
Of course the "conservation" link with tree frogs is very strong as a
publicly understandable marketing tool for promoting cultural heritage.
Saving whales and tree forests came first, and any 2nd grader here will now
strongly support that. Heritage gardening, a green thing, took off here
like a wild fire while building preservation languishes as a frill for the
rich. Perhaps we would do better to market the craft with a link to moss
and ivy. Actually, I recall a course I once took with a European cathedral
stone mason at the Institute for Advanced Studies at York, in which he spent
a lot of time discussing the preservation value of leaving moss in crevasses
as a water shedder and material bonder and in certain situations.
Unfortunately, "Cultural Heritage" now mostly means anything foreign. I am
starting a movement to preserve and celebrate my happy white middle class
North American upbringing and heritage to be able to participate as an equal
at Multi-Cultural events where until now there has been no place for a white
guy except as a visitor, spectator and buyer, actually, the same old
colonial stance just brought forward into modern political correctness.
cp in bc
just over the line
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Hot damn, man! Good story.
][<
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In a message dated 7/23/2004 1:25:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network, has said that
plastic may signal the cashless society of the end times foreshadowed in the
Bible. Mr. Robertson's network accepts contributions from supporters on both
Visa and MasterCard.
It's called hedging your bets. And you don't see him saying bad stuff about
Mohammed, do ya? (Well, maybe he doesn't hedge ALL his bets).
Ralph
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So what people have conveyed to me is based on a scale. If a Restoration is
$1,000.00, then a Preservation must be $2,000.00, and a Conservation has to
be $5,000.00, while a remodel is about a $1.00. Even though we try to use
the "right" term in the right situation, people are more comfortable certain
words. We get a lot of, "Historic Preservation? Sounds Expensive." And I
say "Yes, it does cost more to do it right".
RC in RI
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Subject: Re: Conservation vs. Preservation - RHYMES WITH ...
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> We get a lot of, "Historic Preservation? Sounds Expensive." And I say
> "Yes, it does cost more to do it right".
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Robert J. Cagnetta wrote:
>We get a lot of, "Historic Preservation? Sounds Expensive." And I
>say "Yes, it does cost more to do it right".
>
>
RC,
Ha! Excellent!
What I like is when we get to use the appropriate methodology of histo
presto without ever having to say anything.
Particularly on a fairly new structure say from the 80's where if you
say you are doing 'anything' more than 'maintenance' the parties freak.
But the same care for craft, materials and details that would apply to
an 18th century building can be applied to a late 20th -- and it is a
case of doing right.
][< on Lung Island
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Mikey,
Well, I guess you guys got a lot different lot down south. There is no
amount of anything where I live that would induce a fellow like George
to hand over $6,000, let alone $60, unless they were marked bills with
electronic tracking devices embedded in them and they were known to be
stolen from "Shorty". I would ask myself, "Why is he giving me the six
grand, unless it can't buy him his life?" My guess is you will never
see George again; or maybe Shorty really likes you! There's some
peculiar stuff goes on down in that fragrant jungle of yours.
The thing is, once you get a lot of stuff and a family, you either have
to become a full time gangster or stay completely off the radar of these
guys. My Grandmother in Law was Joey Bonanno's sister. When I first
married into it I thought it was cool and liked going to all the family
events, but I quickly learned that it wasn't cool or funny. They didn't
call him "Bananas" for nothing.
Best,
Leland
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From: Easy bent lead pipe.
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such a lovely business ...you meet only the best people.
9 o'clock appointment
George is a grifter and a con man with a dope problem who did some work
for me briefly about a year ago; so it was a surprise when he called
me on my cell as i was 4 wheeling through the back Forrest and swamp
with my 4 year old daughter.
'Suupp Mike ..can I talk for a minuet ; this is George
"Whats going on ? Im down shifting through 2.5 ft of water clutching
Mary as the bike is eating mud. through a fantastic chasm of tropical
ravine ...
"Yeah bro " I mean I got to talk to you face to face ;when can i come
over ?.
George is on the lam ;(wanted by the police) talking to guys on the
juice and on the lam is always bad business ...
"Yo bro; Im with my family just now ...Whats going on ? This is a secure
line we can talk ..whatsup?
yeah man ..well I did a very bad thing ..bad Mike bad for you ....
Talk to me man ....what do you mean ...
I mean ..well ..a year ago Marty and I boosted some checks form you
;and well I made them out and left them with a dude to hold as
collateral and the ....MF cashed them...
can you believe that ? When I told him to hold them ...."MF"
The bike has now stopped in mid swamp ; bougainvillea and Camilla are
flowering and falling semi sweet through the trees and the abundance of
honey suckle is overwhelming, a soft blood red sun filters the canopy of
Forrest as a river of surface water moves by in colorful patterns
Im clutching Mary ; talking to some crook who wants some sort of
deal...my mind races between anger and outrage while inhaling the
perfumed air of the late afternoon bayou....
Listen man I got the cash ...Sez George
."whaddyamean ya got the cash" what-ar-we- talking here George ? Whats
my hit here
'6 large" ($6000) sez he
"6".....I catch myself from loosing it on this no account ....
the odd thing is he is calling me so I let him talk ....
Whaty are you going to do to me ? he asks
(this is always a loaded question thieves use as it gives options to
them that are never in your favor , mention the law and they are gone
,mention violence and they long gone
never give options )
Be here at 8am tomorrow morning ; 8 not 9 and bring me what you
stole..and we'll talk...
Or? he asks like he is my girl friend now
Just get here or things will get unpleasant
I hung up...without a conversation.......this guys running scarred;They
boosted the checks out of a work vehicle
my guess is with bench warrants over his head he knows he is toast
...to threaten him right now is a waste of time ; best to see if he pays
you back..and go from there ....
my leg breaking days are long behind me and the bureaucratic of the
legal system can do nothing to compensate me.
The next morning Geoge drives up with two women ; and I invite him to
sit on my porch;
where I am taking my coffee;the morning is soft with the sounds of song
birds throughout the trees
I tell him to tell the women who are chewing gum and looking bored and
out of place to take a ride which they do and he then proceeds to
explain what happened.
"On my dead fathers grave Mike I meant no harm to you ;Marty boosted it
and I just used it as collateral ...I mean heres your dough ..here take
it"
There are 60 $100 bills ..and one extra for pain and suffering
..as I re count he begins a rambling apology of blame on others...
most of it conflicting ....I wave him off ...
"Geoge" I said (counting the money)
is Shorty is looking for you ?
( shorty is a nortorious black man drug dealer and enforcer who George
is dodging)
I could see the beads of sweat forming on Georges faces and the pupils
of his eyes go small and out of touch.
A man like Shorty can be your worse night mare if you are on the wrong
side of him.
The story goes that the last time Shorty missed George it was by seconds
at some safe house or another and Shorty pistol whipped everyone in the
house to give George up .It wasn't pleasant.
The very mention of his name to George stops his visible signs of
breathing.
Shorty? Mike you know Shorty ? His eyes study me ;and he begins to look
around
I pause ..."No I don't know Shorty ; .....but Geoge you were my 8 oclock
appointment this morning and well lets put it this way ... if you didn't
show
Shorty was going to be my 9 oclock appointment.
......Michael Stonemasons journal
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<DIV><SPAN class=689391812-24072004>Mikey,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=689391812-24072004>Well, I guess you guys got a lot different
lot down south. There is no amount of anything where I live that would
induce a fellow like George to hand over $6,000, let alone $60, unless they were
marked bills with electronic tracking devices embedded in them and they were
known to be stolen from "Shorty". I would ask myself, "Why is he giving me
the six grand, unless it can't buy him his life?" My guess is you will
never see George again; or maybe Shorty really likes you! There's
some peculiar stuff goes on down in that fragrant jungle of yours.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=689391812-24072004>The thing is, once you get a lot of
stuff and a family, you either have to become a full time gangster or stay
completely off the radar of these guys. My Grandmother in Law was Joey
Bonanno's sister. When I first married into it I thought it was cool and
liked going to all the family events, but I quickly learned that it wasn't cool
or funny. They didn't call him "Bananas" for nothing.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=689391812-24072004>Best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=689391812-24072004>Leland</SPAN></DIV>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Easy bent lead pipe.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 23, 2004 10:47
AM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [BP] 9 oclock appointment<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>such a lovely business ...you meet only the best people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>9 o'clock appointment</DIV>
<DIV>George is a grifter and a con man with a dope problem who did some work
for me briefly about a year ago; so it was a surprise when he
called me on my cell as i was 4 wheeling through the back Forrest and
swamp with my 4 year old daughter.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>'Suupp Mike ..can I talk for a minuet ; this is George </DIV>
<DIV>"Whats going on ? Im down shifting through 2.5 ft of
water clutching Mary as the bike is eating mud. through a fantastic chasm
of tropical ravine ...</DIV>
<DIV>"Yeah bro " I mean I got to talk to you face to face ;when can i come
over ?.</DIV>
<DIV>George is on the lam ;(wanted by the police) talking to guys on
the juice and on the lam is always bad business ...</DIV>
<DIV>"Yo bro; Im with my family just now ...Whats going on ? This is a
secure line we can talk ..whatsup?</DIV>
<DIV>yeah man ..well I did a very bad thing ..bad Mike bad for you ....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Talk to me man ....what do you mean ...</DIV>
<DIV>I mean ..well ..a year ago Marty and I boosted some checks form you
;and well I made them out and left them with a dude to hold as collateral
and the ....MF cashed them...</DIV>
<DIV>can you believe that ? When I told him to hold them ...."MF"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The bike has now stopped in mid swamp ; bougainvillea and Camilla are
flowering and falling semi sweet through the trees and the abundance of honey
suckle is overwhelming, a soft blood red sun filters the canopy of
Forrest as a river of surface water moves by in colorful patterns </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Im clutching Mary ; talking to some crook who wants some sort of
deal...my mind races between anger and outrage while inhaling the perfumed air
of the late afternoon bayou....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Listen man I got the cash ...Sez George</DIV>
<DIV>."whaddyamean ya got the cash" what-ar-we- talking here George
? Whats my hit here </DIV>
<DIV>'6 large" ($6000) sez he </DIV>
<DIV>"6".....I catch myself from loosing it on this no account ....</DIV>
<DIV>the odd thing is he is calling me so I let him talk ....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Whaty are you going to do to me ? he asks </DIV>
<DIV>(this is always a loaded question thieves use as it
gives options to them that are never in your favor , mention the
law and they are gone ,mention violence and they long gone </DIV>
<DIV>never give options ) </DIV>
<DIV>Be here at 8am tomorrow morning ; 8 not 9 and
bring me what you stole..and we'll talk...</DIV>
<DIV>Or? he asks like he is my girl friend now </DIV>
<DIV>Just get here or things will get unpleasant </DIV>
<DIV>I hung up...without a conversation.......this guys running scarred;They
boosted the checks out of a work vehicle </DIV>
<DIV>my guess is with bench warrants over his head he knows he is
toast ...to threaten him right now is a waste of time ; best
to see if he pays you back..and go from there ....</DIV>
<DIV>my leg breaking days are long behind me and the bureaucratic of the legal
system can do nothing to compensate me.</DIV>
<DIV>The next morning Geoge drives up with two women ; and I invite him to sit
on my porch;</DIV>
<DIV>where I am taking my coffee;the morning is soft with the sounds of song
birds throughout the trees </DIV>
<DIV> I tell him to tell the women who are chewing gum and looking bored
and out of place to take a ride which they do and he
then proceeds to explain what happened.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"On my dead fathers grave Mike I meant no harm to you ;Marty boosted it
and I just used it as collateral ...I mean heres your dough ..here take
it"</DIV>
<DIV>There are 60 $100 bills ..and one extra for pain and suffering </DIV>
<DIV>..as I re count he begins a rambling apology of blame on others...</DIV>
<DIV>most of it conflicting ....I wave him off ...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Geoge" I said (counting the money) </DIV>
<DIV>is Shorty is looking for you ? </DIV>
<DIV>( shorty is a nortorious black man drug dealer and enforcer who George is
dodging)</DIV>
<DIV>I could see the beads of sweat forming on Georges faces and the pupils of
his eyes go small and out of touch.</DIV>
<DIV>A man like Shorty can be your worse night mare if you are on the wrong
side of him.</DIV>
<DIV>The story goes that the last time Shorty missed George it was
by seconds at some safe house or another and Shorty pistol whipped
everyone in the house to give George up .It wasn't pleasant.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The very mention of his name to George stops his visible signs of
breathing.</DIV>
<DIV>Shorty? Mike you know Shorty ? His eyes study me ;and he begins to look
around </DIV>
<DIV>I pause ..."No I don't know Shorty ; .....but Geoge you were my 8 oclock
appointment this morning and well lets put it this way ... if you
didn't show </DIV>
<DIV>Shorty was going to be my 9 oclock appointment.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>......Michael Stonemasons journal</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 7/24/2004 6:37:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
"Yes, it does cost more to do it right".
Rob,
You're exactly correct.
The reason It costs more to do It right is because more knowledgeable and
highly skilled people and better materials are more expensive (with very few
exceptions) than morons and shit. We provide, and our clients get, better
value and increased durability when, after careful planning and analysis, work is
performed by knowledgeable skilled personnel using correct techniques, the
proper tools and first class materials.
People who buy spoiled chicken and then don't cook it long enough will have
saved money but are asking for trouble.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:58:15 EDT
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 7/24/2004 9:08:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Well, I guess you guys got a lot different lot down south. Leland, I
wondered about that, too. This guy fucks you and comes back to give you 6 grand
because he feels bad? And didn't you know about this little problem of the
filled-in blank checks, Mr. Pyrate, sir? There is no amount of anything where I
live that would induce a fellow like George to hand over $6,000, let alone
$60, unless they were marked bills with electronic tracking devices embedded in
them and they were known to be stolen from "Shorty". I would ask myself, "Why
is he giving me the six grand, unless it can't buy him his life?" My guess
is you will never see George again that would be soon enough for me, but
perhaps Py has a taste for these eccentric characters; or maybe Shorty really
likes you! That doesn't sound like a desirable state of affairs, either, but
if the only alternative is that Shorty really DOESN'T like you, it might be
the lesser of the two weevils. There's some peculiar stuff goes on down in that
fragrant jungle of yours. You got dat right.
The thing is, once you get a lot of stuff and a family, you either have to
become a full time gangster or stay completely off the radar of these guys. I
vote for the latter. My Grandmother in Law was Joey Bonanno's sister. When
I first married into it I thought it was cool and liked going to all the
family events, but I quickly learned that it wasn't cool or funny. I bet. They
didn't call him "Bananas" for nothing. I bet again.
Best,
Leland
Ralph
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get in a cab ysterday-
actually did an all star job whistling him down in the rain
the driver looks to be about 70 and pashtoon but is probably 45, long
white beard, linen kufi and shirt...
he makes a comment about the rain and observes that New Jersey looks
like Bangladesh this week [massive flooding]
and then I notice that he is listening to Rush Limbaugh...
I finally ask how he can listen to Limbugh and he replies
"that is ok I don't understand what he is saying either"
ddiaz wrote:
> So my estimator comes back from @ walk through @ 1 e 66th St.-
> Evidently a coop building that has
> 2 french chefs and a kitchen and waiters that you can call downstairs
> to to order up whatever you want-
> guess that cuts down on the chinese menus...
> Except kitchen is closed in august.........
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<font face="Arial">get in a cab ysterday-<br>
actually did an all star job whistling him down in the rain<br>
the driver looks to be about 70 and pashtoon but is probably 45, long
white beard, linen kufi and shirt...<br>
he makes a comment about the rain and observes that New Jersey looks
like Bangladesh this week [massive flooding]<br>
and then I notice that he is listening to Rush Limbaugh...<br>
I finally ask how he can listen to Limbugh and he replies<br>
"that is ok I don't understand what he is saying either"<br>
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So my estimator comes back from @ walk through @ 1 e 66th St.-<br>
Evidently a coop building that has<br>
2 french chefs and a kitchen and waiters that you can call downstairs
to to order up whatever you want-<br>
guess that cuts down on the chinese menus...<br>
Except kitchen is closed in august.........<br>
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DD<br>
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Mike -
a few years back @ the E train @ 25th St
there was a homeless guy who had the key to the gate and rather than
walk to 23rd st- you would tip him a token or a dollar and he would let
you in...
one day in a foul mood I gave him 50 cents, for which he cursed me out
and informed that everyone knows that it's a dollar to get on the
subway, & I told him FU call a cop.
After I told a friend this story and he asked me if I was saying my
life was worth 50 cents
and I got to thinking about a bar fight I witnessed in the late 70's
that occurred over a pool table- 1 guy eventually died, the other to the
best of my knowledge went up to Canyon City....
which I thought at the time was fought for honor and got to thinking
later was over a dime or a quarter....
My opinion is that if you let these kind of people near your family you
are nuts.
my kids are aware that there is this big hole in the middle of my life
from my late teens to my early 30's
w/ no pictures, friends etc...
and that's a good thing....
--
J.A. Drew Diaz
EDGE Development Construction
Suite 1205
150 W 28th St
NY, NY 10001
t 212.741.7348
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Mike -<br>
a few years back @ the E train @ 25th St<br>
there was a homeless guy who had the key to the gate and rather than
walk to 23rd st- you would tip him a token or a dollar and he would let
you in...<br>
one day in a foul mood I gave him 50 cents, for which he cursed me out
and informed that everyone knows that it's a dollar to get on the
subway, & I told him FU call a cop.<br>
After I told a friend this story and he asked me if I was saying my
life was worth 50 cents<br>
<br>
and I got to thinking about a bar fight I witnessed in the late 70's
that occurred over a pool table- 1 guy eventually died, the other to
the best of my knowledge went up to Canyon City....<br>
which I thought at the time was fought for honor and got to thinking
later was over a dime or a quarter....<br>
<br>
My opinion is that if you let these kind of people near your family you
are nuts.<br>
my kids are aware that there is this big hole in the middle of my life
from my late teens to my early 30's<br>
w/ no pictures, friends etc...<br>
and that's a good thing....<br>
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To lay with Dogs ( epilog) ...
..
I didn't ask how George returned the 6 grand so fast; there is no need to as
these guys live on the edge one step ahead of the law and their creditors.
A few days later I heard through the local grapevine (not the farmers market)
that a safe had been torched in another county of another "friend of George"
was missing was 8 grand and a sizable amount of crank ....it dosen't take long
to connect the dots ..
That was Weds
Now the word on the street (make that cottonpatch ) is that Geoge is
already in the Panhandle moving fast with a "chick" named Heather; a professional
con who can talk the chicken off the bone.
Heather has a professional scam where she passes herself off as an arborist
and a landscape design specialist. With her flashing green eyes and genteel
Southern manners
she dresses the nines and has been known to walk (did I say walk?) into
board rooms ; get fronted the cash for the project and be in the coast casinos by
mid night with a Ben Franklin up her nose.
Leaving alot of dumb looks for Monday morning.
She and her Merry men (of which Geoge is one) will generally work a day or
two at some unsuspecting clients; usually old people in country homes; only to
case the place and have it cleaned out by the time they return home from the
weekend.
Her art is to convince the good natured client of her earnest responsibility
and get them to pay to advance the whole nut by working hard for just a day
or so ;before hitting them with the tragedy in my family story.
and if that doesn't work ; then a materials advance, and if that doesn't work
perhaps a little Monica with your cigar will .
Once cased and the client gone
They take everything cash ,guns ,jewelrey; lawn mowers 4 wheelers ;plateware
and silver wear load it up and fence it through contacts in other states
.This includes identity and credit cards
They work out of camper homes which they always move ; and use throwaway
phones ; they are all bi polar , bisexual, and will get dressed up as any sex or
trade person to make a score or get on the inside.
One owner caught up with her only to back down after she showed him digitals
that George had taken of the owner getting head from her . The owner quickly
gave in and paid Heather for the photos letting her get off with all the loot,
so the wife didn't see . .
To give a sense how industrious Heather is in a free market economy;when
she was 19 she rented a house on the estate of a widowed farmer who was a
second war vetran and in need of house hold assistance.
Through her grace and "charms" she had within 6 months got him to give her a
piece of his estate and front the money through a bank to build her a house
on what is now her land including all insurance in her name .
With the house built; and the mans greater family closing in , the house
suddenly caught fire (Heather was out of state on business ) and the $200,000
insurace money low and behold becomes Heather's.
Outraged over Heather's indecent "charms " with their father The mans
family sued ;
She settled with a crooked layer claiming she was the victum (photos again )
and took an extra $100 ,000 from the family just to give the property back .
This band of misfits and cons usually last 6 weeks on the road , and then
lay up in a back bayou where there is one road in but many rivers to get out
should they need to . This is impenetrable swamp and forrest; is at times so
remote and so dangerous ( Algoma one of the nations toughest prisons is located in
such a place) that both the dead and the living stay lost there without a
trace.(see missing Civil Rights workers 1963)
I 'will try and follow the story of Heather and "the Merry men" as they
wrec their havoc and misery through the Panhandle ; but its something I want to
distance myself from .
Painfully through this whole saga Im reminded of Goglols famous line that
"when you lay down with Dogs ;....you wake up with fleas ". and the itching
hasn't stopped yet .
Michael Stonemasons jouirnal
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<DIV>To lay with Dogs ( epilog) ...</DIV>
<DIV>..</DIV>
<DIV>I didn't ask how George returned the 6 grand so fast; there is no need=20=
to as these guys live on the edge one step ahead of the law and their c=
reditors.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A few days later I heard through the local grapevine (not the farm=
ers market) that a safe had been torched in another county of another "=
friend of George" was missing was 8 grand and a sizable amount of crank=
....it dosen't take long to connect the dots ..</DIV>
<DIV>That was Weds </DIV>
<DIV> Now the word on the street (make that cottonpatch  =
;) is that Geoge is already in the Panhandle moving fast with a "=
chick" named Heather; a professional con who can talk the chicken off t=
he bone.</DIV>
<DIV>Heather has a professional scam where she passes herself off as an=
arborist and a landscape design specialist. With her flashing green eyes an=
d genteel Southern manners </DIV>
<DIV>she dresses the nines and has been known to walk (did I say walk?=
) into board rooms ; get fronted the cash for the project and be in the coas=
t casinos by mid night with a Ben Franklin up her nose.</DIV>
<DIV>Leaving alot of dumb looks for Monday morning.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>She and her Merry men (of which Geoge is one) will generally work a day=
or two at some unsuspecting clients; usually old people in countr=
y homes; only to case the place and have it cleaned out by the time the=
y return home from the weekend.</DIV>
<DIV>Her art is to convince the good natured client of her e=
arnest responsibility and get them to pay to advance the whole n=
ut by working hard for just a day or so ;before hitting them with=20=
the tragedy in my family story.</DIV>
<DIV>and if that doesn't work ; then a materials advance, and if that doesn'=
t work perhaps a little Monica with your cigar will . </DIV>
<DIV>Once cased and the client gone </DIV>
<DIV>They take everything cash ,guns ,jewelrey; lawn mowers 4 wheelers ;plat=
eware and silver wear load it up and fence it through contacts in other=
states .This includes identity and credit cards </DIV>
<DIV>They work out of camper homes which they always move ; and u=
se throwaway phones ; they are all bi polar , bisexual, and will g=
et dressed up as any sex or trade person to make a score or get on=
the inside.</DIV>
<DIV>One owner caught up with her only to back down after she showed him dig=
itals that George had taken of the owner getting head from her .=20=
The owner quickly gave in and paid Heather for the photos letting her get of=
f with all the loot, so the wife didn't see . .</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To give a sense how industrious Heather is in a free market  =
;economy;when she was 19 she rented a house on the estate of a widowed=
farmer who was a second war vetran and in need of house hold assistan=
ce.</DIV>
<DIV>Through her grace and "charms" she had within 6 months got him to =
give her a piece of his estate and front the money through a bank &nbs=
p;to build her a house on what is now her land including a=
ll insurance in her name .</DIV>
<DIV>With the house built; and the mans greater family closing in , th=
e house suddenly caught fire (Heather was out of state on business ) &=
nbsp;and the $200,000 insurace money low and behold becomes Heat=
her's.</DIV>
<DIV>Outraged over Heather's indecent "charms " with their father=
The mans family sued ; </DIV>
<DIV>She settled with a crooked layer claiming she was the victum (phot=
os again ) and took an extra $100 ,000 from the family just to gi=
ve the property back . </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This band of misfits and cons usually last 6 weeks on the road ,=20=
and then lay up in a back bayou where there is one road in but many rivers t=
o get out should they need to . This is impenetrable swamp and forrest; is a=
t times so remote and so dangerous ( Algoma one of the nations toughest pris=
ons is located in such a place) that both the dead and the living stay=20=
lost there without a trace.(see missing Civil Rights workers 1963)&nbs=
p;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I 'will try and follow the story of Heather and "the &=
nbsp;Merry men" as they wrec their havoc and misery through the Panhandle&nb=
sp;; but its something I want to distance myself from .</DIV>
<DIV>Painfully through this whole saga Im reminded of Goglol=
s famous line that "when you lay down with Dogs ;....you wake up=20=
with fleas ". and the itching hasn't stopped yet .</DI=
V>
<DIV>Michael Stonemasons jouirnal </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:55:06 EDT
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Esteemed Literary Pyrate,
Nice work.
Ralph
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:01:38 -0400
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"Later that year, at about the time of Stockham's visit, Tolstoy
received a letter and publications from a different Shaker community, at
Mt. Lebanon, New York (also near Albany). The writer was Alonzo
Hollister (1830-1911), who addressed him as "Apostle of Cod to your
Nation" and assured him: "Your conduct and writings are stirring the
religious thought of America to its very depths." It was Tolstoy's
advocacy of non-resistance that particularly attracted Hollister: "I
write to strengthen your heart & hands, & to let you know there is a
people who sympathize with your efforts to teach human brotherhood, and
the principles of peace and non-resistance to evil--that is, not to
resist evil with evil, but to overcome evil with good." (He had not read
Tolstoy's works, but learned of him from published sermons on Tolstoy's
ethics and from the accounts of a visit by an Episcopal clergyman,
William W. Newton, which quoted copiously from My Confession. He also
sent Shaker publications, several of which were new to Tolstoy."
Tolstoy's American Preachers: Letters on Religion and Ethics, 1886-1908.
Contributors: Robert Whittaker - author. Journal Title: TriQuarterly.
Volume: 107-108. Publication Year: 2000. Page Number: 561.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:40 -0400
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From: "John Leeke, Preservation Consultant"
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Subject: Porch Work
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I am working with the National Parks Service, writing a new Preservation
Brief on Wood Porches. I'm looking for photos of the following:
Deteriorated Stairs
Deteriorated Ceiling Boards
Deteriorated Roofing
Deteriorated Porch Apron (lattice work beneath the deck)
Photos might show a deteriorating condition, repairs underway, or both.
Your photos might be used in the final publication, which will be
distributed widely to help people care for and maintain their fine old
wooden porches. If your photo is used you will receive credits in the
publication.
Thanks for your help.
John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by pen and thought best words are wrought
John Leeke, Preservation Consultant
26 Higgins St.
Portland, Maine 04103
207 773-2306
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:01:43 -0400
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Rob writes:
>>So what people have conveyed to me is based on a scale. If a Restoration
is
$1,000.00, then a Preservation must be $2,000.00, and a Conservation has to
be $5,000.00, while a remodel is about a $1.00. >>
I would not discount "remodel" down to $1. $1 might be what I call
"general trades practice"--the guys with a pickup, a dog and a staple gun,
no wait, they lost the staple gun on that job last year.
"Remodel" has now been highly organized to generate far more dollars than
$1 would allow. I've been to a couple of the National Remodelors
Conferences, and these guys don't work for straw. They figure what it costs
to do the work (poor, fair or good, makes no difference), take labor &
materials, mark up to cover the cost of doing business, add at least
50-100% and send out the bill. At least half of them are shifting into
speciality "installations" of "products" (tack on gutter covers, bathtub
liners, etc. all made of plastic) where the markups are 100-200%. Lowes(t)
and Home De(s)pot are becoming a big part of the game, where markups are
1000-2000%. So, "Remodel" isn't $1 anymore.
Myself, I always do the best I know how, take my own labor and materials,
mark up enough to cover the cost of doing business plus 15%, never mark up
the labor of others, get paid for
everything I do and collect on all my billings. I make about $50 to $500 on
your scale above. I find real preservation (saving what you've got) is more
like $500, than $2000. In any case real preservation is often less than
restoration (recreating what once was). But that's just me. When you're
talking with the folks who know the difference between preservation and
restoration, and if you talk the talk that those folks talk, and walk their
walk as well, you probably do mark everything up to $2000. After all,
you've got to sit on all those committees and boards plus keep up with the
pro-bono work and political contributions. (Not that there's anything wrong
with that.)
The vernacular meaning of "restoration" is anything done to an older
building (ala Bob, Norm and Steve), all you have to do to restore your
house is buy the stuff, they don't even care if you install or not.
>>We get a lot of, "Historic Preservation? Sounds Expensive." And I
say "Yes, it does cost more to do it right".<<
One of the guys in my Business Side workshop at The Preservation Institute
said that since the last workshop he had done well by dropping all
references to "historic, restoration, and preservation". As a result his
marketing is a lot easier. He still thinks of himself as a preservationist,
but never lets on.
John
John Leeke,
American (BP) Preservationeer
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:41:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: New coffee shop - was SLAY MOST FOWL
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Cuyler, et al. -
My apologies to all for not having responded earlier. Busy trying to =
catch up on construction so we can get the health inspector in before =
our advertized opening day. Everyone's invited for a cup of brew, or an =
espresso, or one of them thar other fancy high falutin drinks. =
Smoothies, juice, water, chai, and soda, too - just in case you're not =
an afficianado. For Cuyler, I'll put in an extra scoop for the double =
latte.
We've contracted with a baker for large cookies, Italian dessert cookies =
(free sample with every purchase on opening day - yum!), and hopefully =
they'll start baking bread for us to make sandwiches. That way, the =
sign we're putting up that says "We only serve Carriage House cookies =
and bakery products" will be truthful.
I would love to get some Zen secrets on espresso making. We're getting =
lessons from the delivery dude, who is also the coffee roaster, but =
additional info is always nice. Officially, right now I don't know how =
to make the stuff, I just like it. That's why I figured I would be good =
at it. Although, I must ask. How long does this $60/lb stuff last? Is =
it like a good wine? Is it stored in a coffee cellar on it's side so =
the beans rest against the seam of the burlap bag to stay fresh longer? =
So many things I have yet to learn.
Of course, we're also still in the software business. There's a strong =
connection between computer geeks and coffee, although to the layman the =
connection is lost.
Off to lay more tile. TTFN.
- Pam
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Cuyler Page=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 01:45
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
Happy to buy a cup or three, Pam ! =20
Congratulations. I can hardly wait for the opportunity to come East =
and check on my native land claims there in Phelps. After all, it is =
sort of midway between Cuylerville, NY and Cuyler, NY. Grandfather =
John Page's farm was just Northeast of town, and by recent messages =
here, it appears the Phelps crowd is beginning to outnumber the =
Ithacan's.
Will you do espresso? If you like, I can share the secrets a Zen =
Espresso Master here taught me when I opened up a Coffee/Tea Room at the =
Historic Site. Proper espresso seems to be a sacrament rarely =
available east of the Rockies. Please send a plane ticket. I will =
bring some of the $60 / lb special grind the Master brought back from =
San Francisco on his annual pilgrimage to the coffee auction.
The RIT brickyard will miss you.
With fond memories of the RIT lunch (as well as Ohio highway coffee =
with debcaves)
cp in bc
continental coffee inspector
I at least know that CP in BC will buy a cup if he's ever coming =
through town.
- Pam
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<DIV>My apologies to all for not having responded earlier. Busy =
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an=20
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Smoothies,=20
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latte.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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cookies=20
(free sample with every purchase on opening day - yum!), and hopefully =
they'll=20
start baking bread for us to make sandwiches. That way, the sign =
we're=20
putting up that says "We only serve Carriage House cookies and bakery =
products"=20
will be truthful.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would love to get some Zen secrets on espresso making. =
We're=20
getting lessons from the delivery dude, who is also the coffee roaster, =
but=20
additional info is always nice. Officially, right now I don't know =
how to=20
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good at=20
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last? Is it like a good wine? Is it stored in a coffee =
cellar on=20
it's side so the beans rest against the seam of the burlap bag to stay =
fresh=20
longer? So many things I have yet to learn.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Of course, we're also still in the software business. There's =
a=20
strong connection between computer geeks and coffee, although to the =
layman the=20
connection is lost.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Off to lay more tile. TTFN.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Pam</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 16, 2004 =
01:45</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] SLAY MOST =
FOWL</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Happy to buy a cup or three, Pam ! </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Congratulations. I can hardly wait for the =
opportunity to=20
come East and check on my native land claims there in =
Phelps. =20
After all, it is sort of midway between Cuylerville, NY and =
Cuyler,=20
NY. Grandfather John Page's farm was =
just=20
Northeast of town, and by recent messages here, it appears the Phelps =
crowd is=20
beginning to outnumber the Ithacan's.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Will you do espresso? If you =
like, I can=20
share the secrets a Zen Espresso Master here taught me when I =
opened up=20
a Coffee/Tea Room at the Historic Site. Proper=20
espresso seems to be a sacrament rarely available east of =
the=20
Rockies. Please send a plane ticket. I will =
bring some=20
of the $60 / lb special grind the Master brought back from San =
Francisco=20
on his annual pilgrimage to the coffee auction.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The RIT brickyard will miss you.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>With fond memories of the RIT lunch (as well as Ohio highway =
coffee with=20
debcaves)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>cp in bc</DIV>
<DIV>continental coffee inspector</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:48:18 -0400
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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My Italian landlady in Brooklyn used to tell me how to make some of her
dishes (I was honoured to get her red gravy recipe when I left, which she
only shares with family). Took me a while to understand, "You put some erl
in the pan..."
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To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 16:08
Subject: Re: [BP] Flat, Semi or Gloss?
> In a message dated 7/16/2004 10:02:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
>
> >C-
> >
> >Fer once Ralph seems to be right, Lord have mercy. Them flatting orls
(orl of turpentine) were expensive, and even though they were available in
the mid-18th C, only rich folks seemed to use them, not grub stake owners.
> >
> >V.I.
>
>
> Dear Mr. Idiot,
>
> Your first sentence is music to my shell-like (or was that shellack?)
ears.
>
> As for "orls," flatting or otherwise, it's obvious that you, Sir, are a
ignoramus. Da woid youse are lookin fer is "erl," not "orl." As in "Put
some erl on da boiner, Ise cold."
>
> Your friend,
>
> Ralph
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:55:38 -0400
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From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 21:19
Subject: Re: [BP] SLAY MOST FOWL
In a message dated 7/16/2004 8:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ruth,
Well, I didn't know where Phelps, NY was so got out my trusty atlas =
to
find it. You're way out there, aren't you? This was a surprise to =
you? If she lived anyplace decent, or at least near anyplace decent, you =
(and the rest of those few of us who aren't related by blood or marriage =
to her), you would've heard about it before. Believe it or not, we moved =
up from Brooklyn because we didn't want the kids going to a NYC school. =
Turns out, when we got here we were more impressed with Sean's =
kindergarten as PS 131 than at good ol' Midlakes. He and his bro turned =
out OK anyway. I have been to that area but not for a long time. =
There's a blessing to count next time that actrivity is called for! once =
to see the rose gardens,
they were truly beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins =
and
we went down to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where =
there
was a very high water fall. If it was an important waterfall, it =
woulda been Niagara.=20
come over for a cup of coffee some day but guess that's out of the =
question. What, Vermonters don't frive 500 miles for a cup of coffee? =
You must be one o' them practical Yankee fahmah types. It would have to =
be regular old coffee though, none of that nasty express0 stuff!!!! Pam =
could probably get you some real coffee, if she went to some even more =
rinky-dink town where they haven't heard of espresso yet. We've been =
getting the closet yuppies coming out of the closet all this past week =
stopping in curing construction to find out when we're opening. They've =
experienced Starbucks and are so happy something new and exciting is =
coming to Phelps. I hope not to disappoint! Real Vermonters drink Real =
Coffee!!!!!! Good for you! I figure I'm not old enough to drink coffee, =
anyway. I have heard that express0 tastes just like the expressway. =
That might explain the name. Sambuca with coffee beans isn't too bad; =
that's what the real Greaseballs drink AFTER espresso; maybe it kills =
the taste, or at least anesthetizes the hole in your stomach. I'll have =
to talk with the local liquor store owner to see if he can cart over his =
license and a few bottles. Ruth Ralph
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size=3D2>Well, I didn't know where Phelps, NY was so got out my =
trusty=20
atlas to<BR>find it. You're way out there, aren't you? =
<STRONG>This was=20
a surprise to you? If she lived anyplace decent, or at least =
<U>near</U>=20
anyplace decent, you (and the rest of those few of us who aren't =
related by=20
blood or marriage to her), you would've heard about it=20
before. </STRONG><EM><FONT color=3D#800000>Believe it or not, we =
moved up=20
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school. =20
Turns out, when we got here we were more impressed with Sean's=20
kindergarten as PS 131 than at good ol' Midlakes. He and =
his bro=20
turned out OK anyway.</FONT></EM> I have been to that area but =
not for a=20
long time. <STRONG>There's a blessing to count next time that =
actrivity=20
is called for!</STRONG> once to see the rose gardens,<BR>they were =
truly=20
beautiful. When I was a kid I went with some cousins and<BR>we =
went down=20
to the other end of one of those "Finger Lakes" where there<BR>was a =
very high=20
water fall. <STRONG>If it was an important waterfall, it woulda been =
Niagara.=20
</STRONG><BR><BR>come over for a cup of coffee some day but guess =
that's out=20
of the question. <STRONG>What, Vermonters don't frive 500 miles for a =
cup of=20
coffee? You must be one o' them practical Yankee fahmah=20
types.</STRONG> It would have to be regular old coffee though, =
none of=20
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some=20
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haven't=20
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been=20
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stopping in curing construction to find out when we're opening. =
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experienced Starbucks and are so happy something new and exciting is =
coming to=20
Phelps. I hope not to disappoint!</EM></FONT> Real =
Vermonters drink=20
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enough to=20
drink coffee, anyway. </STRONG> I have heard that express0 =
tastes=20
just like the expressway. <STRONG>That might explain the=20
name.</STRONG> <STRONG>Sambuca with coffee beans isn't too bad; =
that's=20
what the real Greaseballs drink AFTER espresso; maybe it kills the =
taste, or=20
at least anesthetizes the hole in your stomach. =
</STRONG><EM><FONT=20
color=3D#800000>I'll have to talk with the local liquor store owner to =
see if he=20
can cart over his license and a few =
bottles.</FONT></EM> Ruth =20
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:14:34 -0500
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Conservation vs. Preservation
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You cannot base the costs on a word and no one is well served by doing
so. Preservation can be the least expensive approach, because it
creates nothing new, but rather performs maintenance on what is.
Restoration can be more expensive, because so often it is a "make-over"
with varying amounts of substance and flash. Doing it right has no
relationship to cost at all. Doing it right can be the five-dollar
phone call and a $10.00 repair, when doing it wrong is a 50k, remodel.
One should never allow the 100K budget blind one to the 100 dollar
solution.
But then, I'm not as hardened as I will be.
-jc
On Jul 24, 2004, at 5:18 AM, Robert J. Cagnetta wrote:
> So what people have conveyed to me is based on a scale. If a
> Restoration is
> $1,000.00, then a Preservation must be $2,000.00, and a Conservation
> has to
> be $5,000.00, while a remodel is about a $1.00. Even though we try to
> use
> the "right" term in the right situation, people are more comfortable
> certain
> words. We get a lot of, "Historic Preservation? Sounds Expensive."
> And I
> say "Yes, it does cost more to do it right".
>
> RC in RI
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:10:17 EDT
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In a message dated 7/26/2004 2:30:33 AM Central Standard Time, ken writes:
received a letter and publications from a different Shaker community, at
Mt. Lebanon, New York (also near Albany).
I have a Shaker rocker from said community; and I used to have an old (1949?)
life mag that had a photo of the last living member , she was shaking ;
but I think it was from old age. Py
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:11:20 -0400
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 7/26/2004 7:48:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Pamela S. Follett" <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>Took me a while to understand, "You put some erl
>in the pan..."
PAM,
A WOID TO DA WISE: DON'T PUT ERL IN DA COFFEEPOT.
RALPH
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 16:08
>Subject: Re: [BP] Flat, Semi or Gloss?
>
>
>> In a message dated 7/16/2004 10:02:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> >C-
>> >
>> >Fer once Ralph seems to be right, Lord have mercy. Them flatting orls
>(orl of turpentine) were expensive, and even though they were available in
>the mid-18th C, only rich folks seemed to use them, not grub stake owners.
>> >
>> >V.I.
>>
>>
>> Dear Mr. Idiot,
>>
>> Your first sentence is music to my shell-like (or was that shellack?)
>ears.
>>
>> As for "orls," flatting or otherwise, it's obvious that you, Sir, are a
>ignoramus. Da woid youse are lookin fer is "erl," not "orl." As in "Put
>some erl on da boiner, Ise cold."
>>
>> Your friend,
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> --
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>> uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
>> <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:16:15 -0400
Reply-To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 7/26/2004 7:41:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Pamela S. Follett" <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>Off to lay more tile. TTFN.
PAM,
YOU'RE THE BOSS. SOMEBODY ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO LAY THE TILE.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LAY CABLE AND CHECK TILE. THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE YOUR MULTITASKING.
MR. HELPFUL
(BEEN THERE, DONE THAT)
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:41:11 -0400
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John, we just completed (in time for a spectacular party last weekend!) =
reconstruction of our 170-year-old wood porch, only the deck structure =
and columns, but not the roof. Small thing to be thankful for, but an =
impressive and comprehensive project, for sure. I'd be happy to share =
some photos, if you are interested, as we documented it pretty well, =
from the first column's ignominious fall to the safety gesture of =
installing a discreet handrail. We don't have it painted yet, but it =
looks terrific. =20
=20
The wood deterioration was extensive, affecting mostly the concealed =
heavy timber-framed structure. There was extensive loss of wood due to =
various insect feasts, and much cobbling of the structure with modern 2 =
xs. We built it back as was originally, and used traditional tools and =
materials to complement the general historic character and importance of =
the house (i.e. good craftsmen did beautiful work!). Let me know, and =
I'll email some photos of wood deterioration directly, and any of the =
repairs in progress, that you might find useful. Just ask, and I might =
have the shot you need...
=20
Ilene
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:36:40 -0400
From: "John Leeke, Preservation Consultant" =
<[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Porch Work
I am working with the National Parks Service, writing a new Preservation
Brief on Wood Porches. I'm looking for photos of the following:
Deteriorated Stairs
Deteriorated Ceiling Boards
Deteriorated Roofing
Deteriorated Porch Apron (lattice work beneath the deck)
Photos might show a deteriorating condition, repairs underway, or both.
Your photos might be used in the final publication, which will be
distributed widely to help people care for and maintain their fine old
wooden porches. If your photo is used you will receive credits in the
publication.
Thanks for your help.
John
by hammer and hand great works do stand
by pen and thought best words are wrought
John Leeke, Preservation Consultant
26 Higgins St.
Portland, Maine 04103
207 773-2306
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:10:35 EDT
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "Could you see the statue of Diana from that building?"
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Question: My grandfather, Nathan Samose, worked at the Department of=20
Buildings at 220 Park Avenue South [then Fourth Avenue] as an office boy beg=
inning in=20
March 1896. Every year around the Jewish High Holy Days he would tell us=20
about an incident in September of 1896, when he told the superintendent of=20
buildings that he would be taking two days off for Rosh Hashanah. The=20
superintendent, my grandfather recalled, pointed out the window at the statu=
e of Diana on=20
top of the old Madison Square Garden at 26th Street and said "You sheeny, if=
you=20
want to pray, go sit up on top of that statue and pray." Could you see the=20
statue of Diana from that building?
Signed, Stephen R. Langenthal, Manhattan
Answer: The Department of Buildings moved to the 9 story Bradley Building,=20
at 18th and Park Avenue South, in 1892, and remained there until it moved to=
=20
the new Municipal Building in 1915. The 13-story building at 230 Park Aven=
ue=20
South, begun in September of 1895, would have fully blocked the view of the=20
statue of Diana eight blocks (about 2100 feet) north, even though the statue=
was=20
320 feet off the ground. But 13 story building was completed only in late=20
1897, and it is certainly possible that in September of 1896 there was still=
a=20
view of Diana.
Surely Stevenson Constable, an architect, was able to see Diana when he was=20
appointed Superintendent of the Department of Buildings in March of 1895 by=20
Mayor William L. Strong. His arrival was celebrated by the engineering and=20
architectural trade magazines who considered his predecessor, Thomas J. Brad=
y, a=20
Tammany Hall democrat, inefficient. In the summer of 1896 the New York Trib=
une=20
reported that a few architects and builders accused Mr. Constable of being=20
"arbitrary, overbearing and unreasonable". But on September 12th the Tribun=
e=20
reported that Mayor Strong backed his superintendent completely, saying that=
the=20
charges "should not be dignified by a trial".
However on September 29th the Mayor criticized Constable for blaming=20
inspection lapses on a shortage of funds, and suggested he resign. In the s=
pring of=20
1897 the Tribune reported that Constable approached the Mayor on a minor mat=
ter=20
and the Mayor's "eyes blazed with a fiery light as he thundered out: =E2=80=
=98I don't=20
want to see you here again during my term of office.'" adding "I would remov=
e=20
you tomorrow if I could." The Mayor had the power only to appoint, not=20
dismiss.
Mayor Strong told a Tribune reporter that he considered Constable a man of=20
complete integrity, but that "he has the =E2=80=98big head' and has a habit=20=
of offending=20
and insulting people". The rest of Constable's term was marked by other=20
disputes, and ended in 1899 - whereas your grandfather is shown as a departm=
ent=20
employee in 1901 and later.
Employment records show Mr. Samose started on March 2, 1896, at an annual=20
salary of $300 per year - when Mr. Constable's salary was $5000, and most cl=
erks=20
and inspectors earned about $1200. On March 2, 1946 Mayor William O'Dwyer=20
sent congratulations to Mr. Samose, then employed at the Department of Publi=
c=20
Works, for his half-century of service to the city.
Christopher Gray=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Question: My grandfather, Nat=
han Samose, worked at the Department of Buildings at 220 Park Avenue South [=
then Fourth Avenue] as an office boy beginning in March 1896. Every ye=
ar around the Jewish High Holy Days he would tell us about an incident in Se=
ptember of 1896, when he told the superintendent of buildings that he would=20=
be taking two days off for Rosh Hashanah. The superintendent, my grandfather=
recalled, pointed out the window at the statue of Diana on top of the old M=
adison Square Garden at 26th Street and said "You sheeny, if you want to pra=
y, go sit up on top of that statue and pray." Could you see the statue=
of Diana from that building?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Signed, Stephen R. Langenthal, Manhattan=
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Answer: The Department of Bui=
ldings moved to the 9 story Bradley Building, at 18th and Park Avenue South,=
in 1892, and remained there until it moved to the new Municipal Building in=
1915. The 13-story building at 230 Park Avenue South, begun in=20=
September of 1895, would have fully blocked the view of the statue of Diana=20=
eight blocks (about 2100 feet) north, even though the statue was 320 feet of=
f the ground. But 13 story building was completed only in late 1897, a=
nd it is certainly possible that in September of 1896 there was still a view=
of Diana.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Surely Stevenson Constable, an architect=
, was able to see Diana when he was appointed Superintendent of the Departme=
nt of Buildings in March of 1895 by Mayor William L. Strong. His arriv=
al was celebrated by the engineering and architectural trade magazines who c=
onsidered his predecessor, Thomas J. Brady, a Tammany Hall democrat, ineffic=
ient. In the summer of 1896 the New York Tribune reported that a few a=
rchitects and builders accused Mr. Constable of being "arbitrary, overbearin=
g and unreasonable". But on September 12th the Tribune reported that M=
ayor Strong backed his superintendent completely, saying that the charges "s=
hould not be dignified by a trial".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">However on September 29th the Mayor crit=
icized Constable for blaming inspection lapses on a shortage of funds, and s=
uggested he resign. In the spring of 1897 the Tribune reported that Co=
nstable approached the Mayor on a minor matter and the Mayor's "eyes blazed=20=
with a fiery light as he thundered out: =E2=80=98I don't want to see you her=
e again during my term of office.'" adding "I would remove you tomorrow if I=
could." The Mayor had the power only to appoint, not dismiss.</FONT><=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3D"Times N=
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of complete integrity, but that "he has the =E2=80=98big head' and has a ha=
bit of offending and insulting people". The rest of Constable's term w=
as marked by other disputes, and ended in 1899 - whereas your grandfather is=
shown as a department employee in 1901 and later.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Employment records show Mr. Samose started on March 2, 1896, at an annu=
al salary of $300 per year - when Mr. Constable's salary was $5000, and most=
clerks and inspectors earned about $1200. On March 2, 1946 Mayo=
r William O'Dwyer sent congratulations to Mr. Samose, then employed at the D=
epartment of Public Works, for his half-century of service to the city.<BR><=
/DIV>
<DIV>Christopher Gray </DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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...in response to a 1999 query from BeanShooter. Somehow seems on topic
now. ---christopher
Subj: What have we learned in preservation technology since 1960?
Date: 08/20/1999 5:50:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: [log in to unmask] (david west)
To: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS (BP - "The Cracked Monitor")
Christopher:
Seems to me that the lessons we've learned were well encapsulated by your
posting about "Re$toration in NYC".
WARNING: Sweeping generalisations follow!!
We've become pedantic about returning to the 'original', whether it exists or
not.
We've become precious about keeping the original fabric intact, even if it
doesn't work now, and maybe never did.
We don't know much more about prolonging the life of materials, although we
do have some great patching compounds and some halfway decent waterproofing
coatings which if we are lucky will last 20-30 years.
We have separated out work on the old and the new, with the result that the
new is built without learning from the lessons of the old, thus ensuring plenty
of work for those who will look after the old of the future.
WARNING: This is all from somebody who wasn't even born in 1960, let alone
know what was happening in preservation technology at that time!!!
Cheers
david
PS Found it very interesting in recent months to find out that some of the
pioneers of architectural heritage preservation (conservation, restoration) in
Australia in the 1960s & 1970s were the same generation as the modernist
architects here in Sydney and Melbourne. Indeed, it would appear that there was a
fairly close dialogue between the two groups (and that they overlapped).
Could we say the same now?
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Subj:  =
; What have we learned in preservation technology since 1960? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Date: 08/20/1999 5:50:38 PM Eastern=
Daylight Time<BR>From: <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">david.we=
[log in to unmask]</A> (david west)<BR>To: <A href=3D"mailto:BULLAMANKA-PINHEA=
[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS</A> (BP - "The Cracked Monitor=
")<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Christopher:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Seems to me that the lessons we've learn=
ed were well encapsulated by your posting about "Re$toration in NYC".</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">WARNING: Sweeping generalisations=20=
follow!! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We've become pedantic about returning to=
the 'original', whether it exists or not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We've become precious about keeping the=20=
original fabric intact, even if it doesn't work now, and maybe never did.</F=
ONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We don't know much more about prolonging=
the life of materials, although we do have some great patching compounds an=
d some halfway decent waterproofing coatings which if we are lucky will last=
20-30 years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We have separated out work on the old an=
d the new, with the result that the new is built without learning from the l=
essons of the old, thus ensuring plenty of work for those who will look afte=
r the old of the future.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">WARNING: This is all from somebody=
who wasn't even born in 1960, let alone know what was happening in preserva=
tion technology at that time!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">david</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">PS Found it very interesting in re=
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preservation (conservation, restoration) in Australia in the 1960s & 197=
0s were the same generation as the modernist architects here in Sydney and M=
elbourne. Indeed, it would appear that there was a fairly close dialog=
ue between the two groups (and that they overlapped). Could we say the=
same now?<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Anyone know anything about the "Wanamaker Camp"
Toms River area of NJ????
J.A. Drew Diaz
EDGE Development Construction
Suite 1205
150 W 28th St
NY, NY 10001
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Gonna make me a bumper sticker that says, "Strength AND Wisdom"
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Wisdom"
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In a message dated 7/27/2004 7:06:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Shove what? And where? Just curious, Christopher
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
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huh-
was it quiet today or did I miss everything that went on?
in which case I want to ask again about Wanamaker camp in or near toms
river NJ- evidently a fresh air camp that John Wanamaker set up..
specifically what kind of bldgs are there so I can answer a phone call
intelligently can't find squat w/ google
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>Shove what? And where? Just curious, Christopher
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:44:31 -0400
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Drew:
A google search on "wanamaker camp toms river nj" got me...
A brief description:
http://www.islandhts.org/products.htm
> =20
Wanamaker Camp / Presbyterian Camp=20
John Wanamaker ran a summer camp for his employees from his department =
stores in Philadelphia an New York City, from 1904 until 1941. They =
studied music and athletics in addition to military drill. Between 1949 =
and 1969, it was run as a Presbyterian summer camp.=20
>
Some postcard pictures:
http://www.islandhts.org/new_page_7.htm
Looks like just one large building, a smaller house-sized building, and =
the rest just tents in the Wanamaker era. During the later =
Presbyterian era it looks like they had more buildings.
Bruce
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From: "Drew Diaz" <[log in to unmask]>
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huh-
was it quiet today or did I miss everything that went on?
in which case I want to ask again about Wanamaker camp in or near toms
river NJ- evidently a fresh air camp that John Wanamaker set up..
specifically what kind of bldgs are there so I can answer a phone call
intelligently can't find squat w/ google
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:03:35 EDT
>Shove what? And where? Just curious, Christopher
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:35:03 -0400
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To: "Easy bent lead pipe." <BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS
yes I got that far-
evidently there are some buildings associated w/ camp admin that may be=20
saved ....
guess I'll have to go down there...
Bruce Marcham wrote:
>Drew:
>
>A google search on "wanamaker camp toms river nj" got me...
>
>A brief description:
>
>http://www.islandhts.org/products.htm
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 02:37:40 -0400
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As reported to me today by his friend Bobby Watt, Martin Weaver died
yesterday after his year long battle with cancer.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:01:24 EDT
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Subject: Re: Martin Weaver
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From Columbia University's Presevation Alumni:
Preservation Alumni mourns the very sad news of the death of Martin Weaver on
July 28, after a year of battling cancer. His tireless commitment to building
conservation, both in the classroom and in the field, his dedicated role as
thesis advisor and mentor, working one-on-one with countless students, guiding,
supporting, and cheering on their thesis work, and his boundless positive
energy for conservation work and education made his presence uniquely appreciated
and his loss profoundly felt.
As we mourn his death and our collective loss, PA is in the processing of
organizing a memorial donation to celebrate his life and contributions to the
field and our education, and will provide an address to send personal notes to
his family.
Below is an obituary from Canada and a notice from US/ICOMOS.
From Ottowa, Ontario
Weaver, Martin E.
Date of Death: July 28, 2004
In hospital following a brief battle with cancer on Wednesday, July 28, 2004,
age 66 years. Much loved husband and best friend of Leslie. Extremely proud
father of four daughters, Laura, Mika, Helen and Alex. Delighted grandfather of
Tiernan, Finn and Eva. Fondly remembered by his father?in-law Dick Perowne
and his first wife Popi. He will be greatly missed by his many friends around
the world and by the conservation profession. He was one of the finest teachers
the profession ever produced, a man of generosity of spirit and intellect.
Friends may call at the Garden Chapel of Tubman Funeral Homes, 3440 Richmond Rd.
(between Baseline Rd. and Bayshore Dr.) Nepean on Tuesday from 6 to 9 p.m. A
memorial service will be held in the chapel on Wednesday at 10:30 a.m. Those
wishing may make memorial donations to C.H.E.O. Condolences, tributes or
donations may be made at www.tubmanfuneralhomes.com ?Gone too soon?
From US/ICOMOS
US/ICOMOS mourns the very sad news of the death in Canada of Martin Weaver, a
great international preservationist, a remarkable man and a great friend. His
premature death resulted after a long fight with cancer. Martin was a member
of both ICOMOS Canada and US/ICOMOS. In addition to his successful private
practice and his service to the preservation community, he taught in the
Preservation Program at Columbia University where he mentored many generations of new
preservationists. He withdrew from Columbia only when he was no longer able to
sustain the traveling and teaching load.
Martin's achievements and qualities are too large to enumerate. Suffice it
to say that he was a good and most generous man, giving freely of his time and
talent. He was a true citizen of the world. We are grateful that he leaves a
rich intangible legacy of advancement in preservation doctrine, as well as very
tangible one of better-preserved heritage sites in many countries. We will
miss him.
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<DIV>Preservation Alumni mourns the very sad news of the death of Marti=
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t to building conservation, both in the classroom and in the field, his dedi=
cated role as thesis advisor and mentor, working one-on-one with countless s=
tudents, guiding, supporting, and cheering on their thesis work, and his bou=
ndless positive energy for conservation work and education made his presence=
uniquely appreciated and his loss profoundly felt. </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT><BR>As we mourn his death and our collective=20=
loss, PA is in the processing of organizing a memorial donation to celebrate=
his life and contributions to the field and our education, and will provide=
an address to send personal notes to his family. </DIV>
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tice from US/ICOMOS.<BR><BR>From Ottowa, Ontario<BR>Weaver, Martin E. &=
nbsp; <BR>Date of Death: July 28, 2004 <BR>In hospital following=
a brief battle with cancer on Wednesday, July 28, 2004, age 66 years. Much=20=
loved husband and best friend of Leslie. Extremely proud father of four daug=
hters, Laura, Mika, Helen and Alex. Delighted grandfather of Tiernan, Finn a=
nd Eva. Fondly remembered by his father?in-law Dick Perowne and his first wi=
fe Popi. He will be greatly missed by his many friends around the world and=20=
by the conservation profession. He was one of the finest teachers the profes=
sion ever produced, a man of generosity of spirit and intellect. Friends may=
call at the Garden Chapel of Tubman Funeral Homes, 3440 Richmond Rd. (betwe=
en Baseline Rd. and Bayshore Dr.) Nepean on Tuesday from 6 to 9 p.m. A=
memorial service will be held in the chapel on Wednesday at 10:30 a.m. Thos=
e wishing may make memorial donations to C.H.E.O. Condolences, tributes or d=
onations may be made at www.tubmanfuneralhomes.com ?Gone too soon? &nbs=
p; <BR><BR>From US/ICOMOS<BR>US/ICOMOS mourns the very sad news of the death=
in Canada of Martin Weaver, a great international preservationist, a remark=
able man and a great friend. His premature death resulted after a long fight=
with cancer. Martin was a member of both ICOMOS Canada and US/ICOMOS. In ad=
dition to his successful private practice and his service to the preservatio=
n community, he taught in the Preservation Program at Columbia University wh=
ere he mentored many generations of new preservationists. He withdrew from C=
olumbia only when he was no longer able to sustain the traveling and teachin=
g load. <BR><BR>Martin's achievements and qualities are too large to enumera=
te. Suffice it to say that he was a good and most generous man, giving=
freely of his time and talent. He was a true citizen of the world. We are g=
rateful that he leaves a rich intangible legacy of advancement in preservati=
on doctrine, as well as very tangible one of better-preserved heritage sites=
in many countries. We will miss him. <BR></DIV>
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