PSU quality is hit-and-miss on the no-name cases. I received a decent-spec 300W PSU in a $20 (shipped) JNC case from Ebuyer.com last year, and it's still doing fine. OTOH I bought a Kingcase from Ebuyer this year that had a 300W supply with far less impressive specs. I will say that I've had experience with Powmax once and won't repeat it. The unit was working fine when left on 24x7 for about 2 months. I made the mistake of powering down and it wouldn't come back on. At least it didn't fry any components in the failure mode. Carl -----Original Message----- From: PCBUILD - Personal Computer Hardware discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam Favre Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:19 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Decent Computer Case That Includes Power Supply My concern was that I have been reading (in many different forums) that some of the included power supplies are somewhat questionable or tend to fail soon after purchase. I was warned at one point to stay away from brand x (PowMax, etc.) because of this very reason. I don't see the point of purchasing both items seperately UNLESS there is a good reason. I am not going to be an extreme overclocker (at least not yet), so I was just curious if I was being fed a line or if there really was a problem with the mamjority of the included supplies. There are a few neater looking cases that I may opt for unless there is good reason to avoid inncluded supplies. The other thought I had was that I would simply buy another supply once the "included" failed. At present, at least from Dorothy's response, I don't have a lot to worry too much about the included versions. The NOSPIN Group is now offering Free PC Tech support at our newest website: http://freepctech.com The NOSPIN Group Promotions is now offering Mandrake Linux or Red Hat Linux CD sets along with the OpenOffice CD... at a great price!!! http://freepctech.com/goodies/promotions.shtml