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----- Original Message -----=20
From: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: Fwd: [BP] Foist Woims, now Toimites
In a message dated 5/20/2004 1:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, johncallan@=
VISI.COM writes:
> (1.) I don't think I can help you with this historic structure, I=20
> have my hands full preserving my own.
(2.) Nope. I meant poop. It may be frass too, but it is definitely=20
poop. Ask anyone, I do know my poop.
(3.) Lots of people find termites where they ain't, and miss them where=20
they are. Many are inspectors and toxin salesmen. This is not a=20
problem that simply goes away with one application of super goo. There=20
better be something mighty special about this house. Perhaps you were=20
to pretend you approved of the house, she would have second thoughts.
> (4.) The ones you saw were looking for a new place to start a new=20
> colony. Probably the next is overcrowded. This is not a good sign. =20
> I once came upon a colony that ate its way from the basement to the=20
> attic via a central staircase. Interesting project. But the basics=20
> held true, lots of chemistry liberally applied, but more importantly,=20
> redirecting the gutters, downspouts and stormwater away from an inside=
=20
> corder.
> (5.) North is where you get the ground frozen rock solid a minimum of=20
> 3'0, EVERY winter. Even when this doesn't outright kill the termites,=
=20
> it slows 'em down real good!
> (5a.) Middle child graduates from college Saturday. Son graduates=20
> from High School the following Saturday. I've been at this fatherhood=
=20
> thing a long time. I have no more idea what I'm doing now than I did=20
> when the kids were little, and am not better at predicting what they=20
> will or will not want to do. They pick up all my bad habits, but I=20
> only know this because its been brought to my attention.
> (6.) It ain't what it used to be, but I wouldn't drink it.
> (7.) It can be very difficult to find entry points. Any opening in=20
> the foundation in the top three feet of the soil is an opportunity. =20
> As long as there is anything organic in the top three feet of topsoil=20
> in the landscape, there will be termite pressure. I don't know how=20
> else to put it, these are very formidable adversaries. You have to=20
> use your best weapon to beat them, and that is your brain and your=20
> long life-span, your ability to change their envirnoment from=20
> welcoming to toxic and harsh. If you go to folks like Terminex=20
> they'll want to give you a program of yearly applications. They'll=20
> keep knocking them down, but may never change the environment.
> (8.) That's kind of sad.
> (9.) Don't close. At the very least knock a large chunk of change off=
=20
> the price, something that makes it worthwhile. You are in a bad spot=20
> here. If she listens to you and backs out, it will be your fault. If=
=20
> she buys it, its still going to be your fault. Things really don't=20
> change much, do they?
On May 20, 2004, at 11:37 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 5/20/2004 11:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> (1.) If you've This depends on the definition of "you." This is the=20
> soon-to-be-ex-Mrs. Ralph, and she ain't me. got an active infestation=20
> of termites, then you have rot everywhere they are working. That'll=20
> make her happy. You might think of it as rot is what they create. =20
> The little buggers are dragging mud and water into the wood parts of=20
> the house and eating and pooping you mean "frassing," don't=20
> you?(2.) the wood. Rot organisms just love the juicy wet left-overs.
>
> Note "IF" you have an active infestation. Get an opinion from someone
> who has nothing to gain whether you do or not. (3.)The house=20
> inspector has nothing to gain from this; he's a one-shot guy. I=20
> suggested she talk to my friend Bob down at The Mall, who is also a=20
> 'sterminator, but she didn't seem interested, or at least thought that=
=20
> this was the seller's problem, not hers, which may be true NOW, but if=
=20
> she buys the place, it seems to me it becomes HER problem. Notice I=20
> didn't use the terms "our" or "my." Also, identify where they have=20
> built their tunnels that give them access to the ground,
> water and your building. They really don't often go to elaborate
> length to defy gravity and build long tunnels over long distances of
> inedible materials. (4.)This is why it seems to me that having SEEN=20
> the little fuckers in the middle of the house is not a good sign.
>
> BUT, IF you have a real honest to God termite infestation, you are
> dealing with a delicate, but superior critter. Don't underestimate
> your adversary. In southerly climates they can eat a normal ranch
> house in a season or two. Best defense...move north. (5.)What's your=
=20
> idea of North, John? She's moving west, but only a mile or so. Just=20
> long enough that the Little Ralphs will not want to walk to High=20
> School, from which they now live about 2 blocks.
>
> If you do have an infestation, you will have to identify how they are
> accessing the building and cut that access off. How about a=20
> flamethrower for that? The little bastards. With luck you can kill
> off the ones that have set up housekeeping in the house. But, you=20
> will
> have to dig trenches and fill them with toxic materials She'll love=20
> that. (6.)Can you still GET toxic chemicals anymore? Doesn't=20
> everything in the world now have to be made of organically-shredded=20
> teddy bears? to prevent new
> infestations. You need to cut off their water supply. Grading and
> redirecting you downspouts will help. (7.)The grading and leaders are=
=20
> pretty good, according to the home inspector. I only saw this place=20
> once, and in the dark. Get the damned vegitation away from the=20
> building This is apparently a problem only in one area, and it is=20
> somewhat remote from the infestation. Unless of course, the little=20
> fuckers get in through the growies and have spread everywhere, which=20
> is what I'm afraid of. Not for myself, of course, but one=20
> (theoretically) doesn't wants one's (ex-) wife to buy a pile of frass=20
> for somewhere north of $500 grand and for goodness sake, don't store=20
> your (8.)My scrap lumber will be a mile away, and she won't have no=20
> scrap lumber, since she's a girl, and my kids wouldn't have anything=20
> to do with lumber, scrap or otherwise. scrap lumber and firewood=20
> beside the building. The bait station approach makes some
> sense as a prophylactic. But grading and water management are
> critical.
>
> As for your real question...Yup. Start taking the building apart. =20
> That's what I was afraid of, and is what I consider the right answer.=20=
=20
> But how does she make this happen before she buys the house (and if it=
=20
> does, how does she trust the seller to fully investigate and repair),=20
> or how does she get the sellers to put a billion dollars in escrow=20
> until after she's bought it and then starts The Great Termite=20
> Safari?(9.)
> Thank you.
> Ralph
>
> Better yet, do what the termite would do, find another victim.
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fwd: [BP] Foist Woims, now=
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Toimites</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 5/20/2004 1:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A =20=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:=
blue 2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>> (1.) I don't think I ca=
n help you with this historic=20
structure, I <BR>> have my hands full preserving my own.<BR>(2.)=20
Nope. I meant poop. It may be frass too, but it is definitel=
y=20
<BR>poop. Ask anyone, I do know my poop.<BR>(3.) Lots of people fi=
nd=20
termites where they ain't, and miss them where <BR>they are. Many=20=
are=20
inspectors and toxin salesmen. This is not a <BR>problem that simp=
ly=20
goes away with one application of super goo. There <BR>better be=20
something mighty special about this house. Perhaps you were <BR>to=
=20
pretend you approved of the house, she would have second thoughts.<BR>&g=
t;=20
(4.) The ones you saw were looking for a new place to start a new <BR>&g=
t;=20
colony. Probably the next is overcrowded. This is not a good=
=20
sign. <BR>> I once came upon a colony that ate its way from the=
=20
basement to the <BR>> attic via a central staircase. Interestin=
g=20
project. But the basics <BR>> held true, lots of chemistry=20
liberally applied, but more importantly, <BR>> redirecting the gutter=
s,=20
downspouts and stormwater away from an inside <BR>> corder.<BR>> (=
5.)=20
North is where you get the ground frozen rock solid a minimum of <BR>>=
;=20
3'0, EVERY winter. Even when this doesn't outright kill the termit=
es,=20
<BR>> it slows 'em down real good!<BR>> (5a.) Middle child=20
graduates from college Saturday. Son graduates <BR>> from High=20
School the following Saturday. I've been at this fatherhood <BR>&g=
t;=20
thing a long time. I have no more idea what I'm doing now than I d=
id=20
<BR>> when the kids were little, and am not better at predicting what=
=20
they <BR>> will or will not want to do. They pick up all my bad=
=20
habits, but I <BR>> only know this because its been brought to my=20
attention.<BR>> (6.) It ain't what it used to be, but I wouldn'=
t=20
drink it.<BR>> (7.) It can be very difficult to find entry=20
points. Any opening in <BR>> the foundation in the top three fe=
et=20
of the soil is an opportunity. <BR>> As long as there is anythi=
ng=20
organic in the top three feet of topsoil <BR>> in the landscape, ther=
e=20
will be termite pressure. I don't know how <BR>> else to put it=
,=20
these are very formidable adversaries. You have to <BR>> use yo=
ur=20
best weapon to beat them, and that is your brain and your <BR>> long=20
life-span, your ability to change their envirnoment from <BR>> welcom=
ing=20
to toxic and harsh. If you go to folks like Terminex <BR>> they=
'll=20
want to give you a program of yearly applications. They'll <BR>>=
;=20
keep knocking them down, but may never change the environment.<BR><BR>&g=
t;=20
(8.) That's kind of sad.<BR><BR>> (9.) Don't close. At th=
e=20
very least knock a large chunk of change off <BR>> the price, somethi=
ng=20
that makes it worthwhile. You are in a bad spot <BR>> here.&nbs=
p;=20
If she listens to you and backs out, it will be your fault. If=20
<BR>> she buys it, its still going to be your fault. Thin=
gs=20
really don't <BR>> change much, do they?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On May 20=
,=20
2004, at 11:37 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR><BR>> In a message dated=
=20
5/20/2004 11:38:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>> [log in to unmask]
M=20
writes:<BR>> (1.) If you've This depends on the definition of=20
"you." This is the <BR>> soon-to-be-ex-Mrs. Ralph, and she ain'=
t=20
me. got an active infestation <BR>> of termites, then you have r=
ot=20
everywhere they are working. That'll <BR>> make her happy. =
=20
You might think of it as rot is what they create. <BR>> T=
he=20
little buggers are dragging mud and water into the wood parts of <BR>>=
;=20
the house and eating and pooping you mean "frassing," don't <BR>>=20
you?(2.) the wood. Rot organisms just love the juicy wet=20
left-overs.<BR>><BR>> Note "IF" you have an active infestation.&nb=
sp;=20
Get an opinion from someone<BR>> who has nothing to gain whethe=
r=20
you do or not. (3.)The house <BR>> inspector has nothing to gain=
=20
from this; he's a one-shot guy. I <BR>> suggested she talk to m=
y=20
friend Bob down at The Mall, who is also a <BR>> 'sterminator, b=
ut=20
she didn't seem interested, or at least thought that <BR>> this was t=
he=20
seller's problem, not hers, which may be true NOW, but if <BR>> she b=
uys=20
the place, it seems to me it becomes HER problem. Notice I <BR>>=
;=20
didn't use the terms "our" or "my." Also, identify where they have=20
<BR>> built their tunnels that give them access to the=20
ground,<BR>> water and your building. They really don't o=
ften=20
go to elaborate<BR>> length to defy gravity and build long tunn=
els=20
over long distances of<BR>> inedible materials. (4.)This is why it se=
ems=20
to me that having SEEN <BR>> the little fuckers in the middle of the=20
house is not a good sign.<BR>><BR>> BUT, IF you have a real honest=
to=20
God termite infestation, you are<BR>> dealing with a delicate,=20=
but=20
superior critter. Don't underestimate<BR>> your=20
adversary. In southerly climates they can eat a normal=20
ranch<BR>> house in a season or two. Best defense...move=20
north. (5.)What's your <BR>> idea of North, John? She's moving west,=20=
but=20
only a mile or so. Just <BR>> long enough that the Little Ralph=
s=20
will not want to walk to High <BR>> School, from which they now live=20
about 2 blocks.<BR>><BR>> If you do have an infestation, you will=20=
have=20
to identify how they are<BR>> accessing the building and cut th=
at=20
access off. How about a <BR>> flamethrower for that? The little=
=20
bastards. With luck you can kill<BR>> off the ones that ha=
ve=20
set up housekeeping in the house. But, you <BR>> will<BR>>&n=
bsp;=20
have to dig trenches and fill them with toxic materials She'll love <BR>=
>=20
that. (6.)Can you still GET toxic chemicals anymore? Doesn't <BR>&=
gt;=20
everything in the world now have to be made of organically-shredded <BR>=
>=20
teddy bears? to prevent new<BR>> infestations. You n=
eed=20
to cut off their water supply. Grading and<BR>> redirecti=
ng=20
you downspouts will help. (7.)The grading and leaders are <BR>> prett=
y=20
good, according to the home inspector. I only saw this place <BR>&=
gt;=20
once, and in the dark. Get the damned vegitation away from the=20
<BR>> building This is apparently a problem only in one area, and it=20=
is=20
<BR>> somewhat remote from the infestation. Unless of course, t=
he=20
little <BR>> fuckers get in through the growies and have spread=20
everywhere, which <BR>> is what I'm afraid of. Not for myself,=20=
of=20
course, but one <BR>> (theoretically) doesn't wants one's (ex-) wife=20=
to=20
buy a pile of frass <BR>> for somewhere north of $500 grand and for=20
goodness sake, don't store <BR>> your (8.)My scrap lumber will be a m=
ile=20
away, and she won't have no <BR>> scrap lumber, since she's a girl, a=
nd=20
my kids wouldn't have anything <BR>> to do with lumber, scrap or=20
otherwise. scrap lumber and firewood <BR>> beside the building.=20
The bait station approach makes some<BR>> sense as a=20
prophylactic. But grading and water management are<BR>> =20
critical.<BR>><BR>> As for your real question...Yup. Start=20
taking the building apart. <BR>> That's what I was afraid of, a=
nd=20
is what I consider the right answer. <BR>> But how does she mak=
e=20
this happen before she buys the house (and if it <BR>> does, how=
=20
does she trust the seller to fully investigate and repair), <BR>> or=20=
how=20
does she get the sellers to put a billion dollars in escrow=20
<BR>> until after she's bought it and then starts The Great Term=
ite=20
<BR>> Safari?(9.)<BR>> Thank you.<BR>> Ralph<BR>><BR>> Be=
tter=20
yet, do what the termite would do, find another=20
victim.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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