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Subject: Re: Radiant Floor Heating
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Ain't no lurker, just a bit quiet lately...
The ones used on the project I am working on (we did not design the
mechanicals) are by "New Heat". The contractor told me they are laid on a
cured dry set mud bed then receive a thinset application on top with the
stone or tile laid on top - I don't know how the floor is actually "held in
place". Cost is my question - including running the electrical heating
element. The client in this house is spending >$30 million to buy and
renovate so cost is not an issue.
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
Sr. Associate
LZA Technology
641 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10011-2014
Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
Mobile: 917.439.3537
Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
email: [log in to unmask]
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From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:59 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
In a message dated 2/3/2004 4:15:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
>>Have you seen the electric radiant "sheets" that get installed within
a 3/4"mud bed? They look like your car's rear window defrosters. I did
not catch the name but will the next time I visit this project - 25,000
SF single family "house" in Manhattan.<
This stuff works great below grade Ralph. Have friends in Wooster who
own a tile store and their basement rec and bathroom both have had it
down for about five years. Pretty magical stuff.
Rudy
Rudy (or Drew),
Who's this Eric guy? Is he the one who everybody sends their dues to,
instead of me? Or is he another lurking deadbeat Pinhead who should be
sending me his dues and has conveniently forgotten?
Meanwhile, if you will tell me the name and manufacturer of this fine
product, I should be most grateful. And do The Tile People bitch about the
cost of running it, or is it so wonderful to not have your feet freeze for a
change that nobody gives a shit what it costs?
Ralph (Eric?)
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:13:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: Electric Radiant Floor Heating
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That's an awfully hot floor.
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N ew Yorkers are familiar with a kind of true urban legend- stories =
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taxis that suddenly come careering through restaurant walls and run over =
diners. Last month they added another story to the list. An exposed wire =
under a metal plate electrocuted a woman as she walked her dogs in the =
East Village. City residents may be fatalistic, but in the aftermath of =
this kind of tragedy they rightfully expect a response that addresses =
not only the immediate problem, but also the wider systematic failure =
that allowed it to happen.
As it admitted responsibility for the accident, Consolidated Edison =
announced that it was stepping up its inspections of the city's 250,000 =
manholes and utility boxes. Still, pedestrians should be excused if they =
spend more time than usual peering down at the road before them.
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psychology at Columbia University Teachers College, Con Edison says it =
has diverted workers from other duties and brought in contractors to =
allow a complete inspection of the underground system and sidewalk boxes =
in one month's time. So far, of the 3,000 sites inspected, about 15 were =
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Rudy Christian wrote:
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out my overdues anyhow.
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EDGE Development Construction
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Reply-To: "This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting."
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The thought of putting a radiant electric heater in the floor, =
especially under a tile floor in a bathroom situation or entry hall =
(where water might be present), makes me very nervous. I suppose you =
could put it on a ground fault detector (GFI) circuit but I don't trust =
them where they're in a panel box (how often do people test them when =
they're there?).
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of =
Stevenson, Pamela
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Electric Radiant Floor Heating
That's an awfully hot floor.
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To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Electric Radiant Floor Heating
On City Streets, a New Hazard
Published: February 2, 2004
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N ew Yorkers are familiar with a kind of true urban legend- stories of =
freak fatal occurrences like falling bits of skyscraper facades and =
taxis that suddenly come careering through restaurant walls and run over =
diners. Last month they added another story to the list. An exposed wire =
under a metal plate electrocuted a woman as she walked her dogs in the =
East Village. City residents may be fatalistic, but in the aftermath of =
this kind of tragedy they rightfully expect a response that addresses =
not only the immediate problem, but also the wider systematic failure =
that allowed it to happen.
As it admitted responsibility for the accident, Consolidated Edison =
announced that it was stepping up its inspections of the city's 250,000 =
manholes and utility boxes. Still, pedestrians should be excused if they =
spend more time than usual peering down at the road before them.
Since the Jan. 16 death of Jodie Lane, a doctoral student in clinical =
psychology at Columbia University Teachers College, Con Edison says it =
has diverted workers from other duties and brought in contractors to =
allow a complete inspection of the underground system and sidewalk boxes =
in one month's time. So far, of the 3,000 sites inspected, about 15 were =
giving off voltage and required repair. At that rate, there could be =
more than 1,000 problems found.
Rudy Christian wrote:
Laura spoke with the tile meisters this morning and here's the sources =
they recommend:
www.warmfloorcenter.com <http://www.warmfloorcenter.com/>=20
www.easyheat.com <http://www.easyheat.com/>=20
I haven't finalized getting my cut yet so if you just send me a check =
for 15% on top of your purchase that will be fine. You'll probably take =
out my overdues anyhow.
Rudy (BS Resource Mgr.)
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EDGE Development Construction
Suite 1205
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NY, NY 10001
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Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband? About now she is
probably helping him recover from the stroke he had when he learned his
actions in the bedroom were the topic of discussion here. Ruth
At 12:29 PM -0500 2/4/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/4/2004 11:34:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
If I'm not mistaken Ralph said something about "going at it like minks" so
maybe that's what she meant.
As much fun as we're having speculating about what role veterinarians (or
veterans) play in Pam's unheated bedroom in the winter, I think we better
wait for her to explain this one.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Photogrammetry
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I thought all you really smart guys had a computer program that did all
that drawing for you, like the auto engineers do. Those programs are so
cool. Ruth
At 12:36 PM -0500 2/4/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/4/2004 12:04:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I still don't know what it is really but I don't think I need to either.
It sounds like it either measures clouds, sea waves or anything with height
to it. Ruth
Ruth,
It's extremely accurate (or supposedly extremely accurate) photography,
generally used for making cheap(er, but more accurate) representations of
buildings than is possible by measuring and drawing them. It saves
measuring and drawing every window and nailhead by photographing them and
printing them at a usable scale without the distortion resulting from
perspective.
Is that a reasonable characterization, guys (and geyes, like Pam)? Feel
free to correct me mercilessly. Not that anything would stop you,
especially Chrif who probably thinks photogrammetry leaves stains on
limestone.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/4/2004 4:55:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
The ones used on the project I am working on (we did not design the
mechanicals) are by "New Heat". The contractor told me they are laid on a
cured dry set mud bed then receive a thinset application on top with the
stone or tile laid on top - I don't know how the floor is actually "held in
place". Cost is my question - including running the electrical heating
element. The client in this house is spending >$30 million to buy and
renovate so cost is not an issue.
Lemme guess-- this guy did better than you with the tax cuts, didn't he?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 4:55:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, EHammarbe=
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>The ones used on the project I am working on (=
we did not design the<BR>mechanicals) are by "New Heat". The contractor told=
me they are laid on a<BR>cured dry set mud bed then receive a thinset appli=
cation on top with the<BR>stone or tile laid on top - I don't know how the f=
loor is actually "held in<BR>place". Cost is my question - including running=
the electrical heating<BR>element. The client in this house is spending >=
;$30 million to buy and<BR>renovate so cost is not an issue.</FONT></BLOCKQU=
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In a message dated 2/4/2004 5:14:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
That's an awfully hot floor.
On City Streets, a New Hazard
Yeah, but this was an outside installation, and it's been real cold. Should
we speculate on whether she went with a smile on her face?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 5:14:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@RI=
T.EDU writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D641=
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us align=3Dleft>On City Streets,=
a New Hazard</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Yeah, but this was an outside installatio=
n, and it's been <U>real</U> cold. Should we speculate on whether=
she went with a smile on her face?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/4/2004 6:05:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
The thought of putting a radiant electric heater in the floor, especially
under a tile floor in a bathroom situation or entry hall (where water might be
present), makes me very nervous. I suppose you could put it on a ground fault
detector (GFI) circuit but I don't trust them
Interesting point, but I there's gotta be some way (low voltage would be my
guess) that they design these systems up so you don't fry. I would think the
boys (and Pam's geye friends) at UL would frown on a system where this hadn't
been worked out REAL well in advance.
Any of you whippersnappers out there been to Mech & Elec class since the
1970's?
Ralph
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ff size=3D2>The thought of putting a radiant electric heater in the floor, e=
specially under a tile floor in a bathroom situation or entry hall (where wa=
ter might be present), makes me very nervous. I suppose you could put it on=20=
a ground fault detector (GFI) circuit but I don't trust them </FONT></SPAN><=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Interesting point, but I there's got=
ta be some way (low voltage would be my guess) that they design th=
ese systems up so you don't fry. I would think the boys (and Pam'=
s geye friends) at UL would frown on a system where this hadn't been worked=20=
out REAL well in advance.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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;been to Mech & Elec class since the 1970's?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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I thought all you really smart guys had a computer program that did all
that drawing for you, like the auto engineers do. Those programs are so
cool. Ruth
Ruth,
Well, we old farts have our doubts about these little squirt CADD
[computer-aided drafting and design] jockeys' ability to do anything but play with the
computer, which is to say that WE are the only ones who really know how to be
real architects and really design useful things that we understand and work well
and are beautiful and all that shit. That's why we use the snotnoses to
draw up stuff on the computer, like the auto engineers.
The new photogrammetry uses some sort of laser-shot system, which acts like a
radar to record the distance from wherever their machine is set to the 10
zillion points in space that represent the front of a building, with all it's
nailholes and mullions. The photogrammetry geeks feed all that data into a
computer that plots these 10 zillion points and gives you a drawing.
IMHO, the process of personally measuring up and drawing a building by hand
gives one a great deal of information about it that one wouldn't get by just
looking at a finished CADD plot (drawing) of the same thing.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:26:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SOV=
ER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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uter program that did all<BR>that drawing for you, like the auto engineers d=
o. Those programs are so<BR>cool. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Well, we old farts have our doubts about=20=
these little squirt CADD [computer-aided drafting and design] jock=
eys' ability to do anything but play with the computer, which is to say that=
WE are the only ones who really know how to be real architects and really d=
esign useful things that we understand and work well and are beautiful and a=
ll that shit. That's why we use the snotnoses to dra=
w up stuff on the computer, like the auto engineers.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>The new photogrammetry uses some sort of=20=
laser-shot system, which acts like a radar to record the distance=20=
from wherever their machine is set to the 10 zillion points in space that re=
present the front of a building, with all it's nailholes and mullions. =
The photogrammetry geeks feed all that data into a computer that plots thes=
e 10 zillion points and gives you a drawing.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>IMHO,</FONT></STRONG> <STRONG><FONT=20=
color=3D#400040>the process of personally measuring up and drawing a bu=
ilding by hand gives one a great deal of information about it that one=20=
wouldn't get by just looking at a finished CADD plot (drawing) of the s=
ame thing.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband? About now she is
probably helping him recover from the stroke he had when he learned his
actions in the bedroom were the topic of discussion here. Ruth
Yes, that's Pam. She lives up by the North Pole, like you, only a little
west. And as for his actions in the bedroom being discussed, better than than
his inactions.
Ralph
PS-- But we still never heard from Pam what the business about the vet really
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SOV=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English hu=
sband? About now she is<BR>probably helping him recover from the strok=
e he had when he learned his<BR>actions in the bedroom were the topic of dis=
cussion here. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Yes, that's Pam. She lives up by th=
e North Pole, like you, only a little west. And as for his actions in=20=
the bedroom being discussed, better than than his inactions.</FONT></STRONG>=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>PS-- But we still never heard from Pam wh=
at the business about the vet really was.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML=
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> *IMHO,* *the process of personally measuring up and drawing a building
> by hand gives one a great deal of information about it that one
> wouldn't get by just looking at a finished CADD plot (drawing) of the
> same thing.*
I'm sure I have the details wrong but I'll go for the legend. There was
the Texas outfit that did plotting of the Statue of Liberty and they
came up with millions of data points. They went back to Texas and were
confused because the data points did not add up. Seems the arm with the
torch was moving. For a system designed to remote view a structure with
1/8" accuracy (possibly more accurate by now) it does not do so well on
slowly moving objects. Conclusion: avoid using photogrammetry during
earthquakes and/or on ocean going vessels in action. I find the religion
of technology, that a little technical fix or a pill will cure all our
ills, to be a curious phenom.
Regardless, I think photogrammetry is really kool. Some years back CT
put out an rfp for survey of the concrete bridges on the Merritt
Parkway. The idea of blocking the highway in order to hand measure the
bridges seemed prohibitive and I went about with an idea to set up a
photogrammetry team on the shoulder and median of the road, survey the
bridges, and then conduct a representative sampling of the crack lines.
At the time it was two guys in a back office in New Haven with a few
computers that were the only ones around doing pg. They were using
software from Germany and plotting, as I recall, from print photos taken
at different angles to the plane of teh object. The technology has
improved seriously. I think though that the combination of advanced and
relatively market unproven techology combined with our lack of
credentials did us in. So it goes back to who you know that counts.
Besides... is it not the uberArchitect/Contractor who only needs to show
that they have a pencil? I mean, not having to use the pencil, just show
it [nifty pencils obviously] and collect money and fame. The sign of
ultimate success is that you have no office, no vehicle, no phone, no
company -- but you have a pencil... a last vestige of trade and
hands-on, a very small instrument connected to a vast reality.
][<en
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> *PS-- But we still never heard from Pam what the business about the
> vet really was.*
She was probably flashing on fixing the cats.
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>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband?
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English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:24:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Besides... is it not the uberArchitect/Contractor who only needs to show
that they have a pencil? I mean, not having to use the pencil, just show
it [nifty pencils obviously] and collect money and fame. The sign of
ultimate success is that you have no office, no vehicle, no phone, no
company -- but you have a pencil... a last vestige of trade and
hands-on, a very small instrument connected to a vast reality.
Hmmm. How do I with (minimal) office, no (office) vehicle, no (cell) phone,
no (incorporated) company, but a shitload of (largely unused, but in any case
far from nifty) pencils fit into this picture of "ultimate success?" Somehow
the picture ]<en paints sounds more like ultimate failure.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:24:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, orgrease@=
OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Besides... is it not the uberArchitect/Contrac=
tor who only needs to show<BR>that they have a pencil? I mean, not having to=
use the pencil, just show<BR>it [nifty pencils obviously] and collect money=
and fame. The sign of<BR>ultimate success is that you have no office, no ve=
hicle, no phone, no<BR>company -- but you have a pencil... a last vestige of=
trade and<BR>hands-on, a very small instrument connected to a vast reality.=
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Hmmm. How do I with (minimal) office, no (office) vehicle, no (=
cell) phone, no (incorporated) company, but a shitload of (largely unused, b=
ut in any case far from nifty) pencils fit into this picture of "ultima=
te success?" Somehow the picture ]<en paints sounds more like ultim=
ate failure.</STRONG></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:28:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.
So does this mean ]<en has met Mr. Pam? Tell us more.
Except anything related to nipple brooches, of course.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.</FONT>=
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nbsp;</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Except anything related to nipple brooches, of course.</STRONG>=
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:23:30 -0800
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Holy Masonite Cow!!!!! Thirty MILLION, we're only spending fifty-five
million to renovate/ addition a whole high school, and that's the most
expensive school project in the state--ever. Ruth
At 4:48 PM -0500 2/4/04, Hammarberg, Eric wrote:
>Ain't no lurker, just a bit quiet lately...
>
>The ones used on the project I am working on (we did not design the
>mechanicals) are by "New Heat". The contractor told me they are laid on a
>cured dry set mud bed then receive a thinset application on top with the
>stone or tile laid on top - I don't know how the floor is actually "held in
>place". Cost is my question - including running the electrical heating
>element. The client in this house is spending >$30 million to buy and
>renovate so cost is not an issue.
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:06:42 -0500
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a tad better
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
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Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
In a message dated 2/4/2004 4:55:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
The ones used on the project I am working on (we did not design the
mechanicals) are by "New Heat". The contractor told me they are laid on a
cured dry set mud bed then receive a thinset application on top with the
stone or tile laid on top - I don't know how the floor is actually "held in
place". Cost is my question - including running the electrical heating
element. The client in this house is spending >$30 million to buy and
renovate so cost is not an issue.
Lemme guess-- this guy did better than you with the tax cuts, didn't he?
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Electric Radiant Floor Heating
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Ralph:
=20
As far as going low voltage for this sort of heat source remember (from =
your college physics or electrical engineering courses) that P=3DIV =
which means that power, which generates heat, equals current times =
voltage. You have to have either voltage or current if you want heat. =
There are devices that are designated "current limited, low voltage" =
(such as 24 volt doorbell circuits) but you aren't going to get much =
heat out of them. My recollection is that these are limited to 30 =
volt-amperes (VA). Bear in mind that GFI circuit breakers trip in the =
milliamp range (five to eight?), as I recall, because more than that can =
be a problem when you have 120 volts involved.
=20
Back in the mid-80's I worked for a company (originally from NYC, now in =
Cortland, NY) that was called ETL Testing Labs at the time (may've once =
been called Edison Testing Labs to show you how far back they go). =
They've since been bought out and have gone by various names (they =
changed about as often as the local division of GE, no Martin Marietta, =
no Lockheed Martin...) like Semko and Intertek Testing Services (I =
imagine they've done great things for the local signmaker, changing the =
sign out front). ETL has a labeling service where they test products to =
standards including the UL standards (they are a competitor of UL in the =
testing and labeling service provided to manufacturers) and you may've =
seen their label on some products where you might otherwise expect to =
see the UL logo.
=20
At any rate, we tested products for various aspects of safety including =
stray electrical currents or voltages on the external surfaces. This is =
so you can stand in your bare feet on a wet floor while operating your =
coffee maker, can opener, etc. and not ruin your whole day.
=20
Yes, I'm sure UL has checked into this and approved it. The thing you =
have to remember is products such as these are "approved as tested when =
installed and maintained according to the manufacturer's instructions" =
and if your contractor doesn't follow the instructions exactly or five =
years down the road you, the new homeowner, drills a hole or drives a =
nail where you shouldn't (because you didn't know exactly where it was =
or read the installation instructions that the previous homeowner left =
you--fat chance) your widow may not be getting that big fat check after =
all. And remember that the same problems that go on in your line of work =
also happens in other people's lines of work (everybody makes =
mistakes...).
=20
Bottom line, I'll stay away from things that make me nervous. Electric =
floors make me nervous. (A thought comes to mind--I wonder if the UL =
standard for electric blankets includes a test where you wet them and =
what is the fluid you use?)
=20
We used to have fun at the lab (hell, they didn't pay us enough so we =
had to get something out of the job where you could). I tested a =
chocolate shaver (I got the people to send me a five pound block of =
chocolate), a commercial deep fat fryer (I did up a lot of french fries =
with that before I tried to set it on fire), a hosplital bed for burn =
patients (a fluidized bed of sand--heated air was blown up through it). =
Hospital equipment has a higher standard for leakage currents as I =
recall (a lot of nearly-naked people and stray fluids there). In the end =
I was testing air conditioning equipment--pretty boring.
=20
Sparky
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Subject: Re: [BP] Electric Radiant Floor Heating
In a message dated 2/4/2004 6:05:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
The thought of putting a radiant electric heater in the floor, =
especially under a tile floor in a bathroom situation or entry hall =
(where water might be present), makes me very nervous. I suppose you =
could put it on a ground fault detector (GFI) circuit but I don't trust =
them=20
Interesting point, but I there's gotta be some way (low voltage would be =
my guess) that they design these systems up so you don't fry. I would =
think the boys (and Pam's geye friends) at UL would frown on a system =
where this hadn't been worked out REAL well in advance.
=20
Any of you whippersnappers out there been to Mech & Elec class since the =
1970's?
=20
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>Ralph:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>As far as going low voltage for =
this sort of=20
heat source remember (from your college physics or electrical =
engineering=20
courses) that P=3DIV which means that power, which generates heat, =
equals current=20
times voltage. You have to have either voltage or current if you want =
heat.=20
There are devices that are designated "current limited, low voltage" =
(such as 24=20
volt doorbell circuits) but you aren't going to get much heat out of =
them. My=20
recollection is that these are limited to 30 volt-amperes (VA). Bear in =
mind=20
that GFI circuit breakers trip in the milliamp range (five to eight?), =
as I=20
recall, because more than that can be a problem when you have 120 volts=20
involved.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>Back in the mid-80's I worked =
for a=20
company (originally from NYC, now in Cortland, NY) that was called ETL =
Testing=20
Labs at the time (may've once been called Edison Testing Labs to =
show you=20
how far back they go). They've since been bought out and have gone =
by=20
various names (they changed about as often as the local division of GE, =
no=20
Martin Marietta, no Lockheed Martin...) like Semko and Intertek =
Testing=20
Services (I imagine they've done great things for the local signmaker, =
changing=20
the sign out front). ETL has a labeling service where they test =
products to=20
standards including the UL standards (they are a competitor of UL in the =
testing=20
and labeling service provided to manufacturers) and you may've seen =
their label=20
on some products where you might otherwise expect to see the UL=20
logo.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>At any rate, we tested products =
for various=20
aspects of safety including stray electrical currents or voltages on the =
external surfaces. This is so you can stand in your bare feet on a wet =
floor=20
while operating your coffee maker, can opener, etc. and not ruin your =
whole=20
day.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>Yes, I'm sure UL has checked into =
this and=20
approved it. The thing you have to remember is products such as these =
are=20
"approved as tested when installed and maintained according to the=20
manufacturer's instructions" and if your contractor doesn't follow the=20
instructions exactly or five years down the road you, the new=20
homeowner, drills a hole or drives a nail where=20
you shouldn't (because you didn't know exactly where it was or =
read=20
the installation instructions that the previous homeowner left you--fat=20
chance) your widow may not be getting that big fat check after all. =
And=20
remember that the same problems that go on in your line of work also =
happens in=20
other people's lines of work (everybody makes mistakes...).</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>Bottom line, I'll stay away from =
things that=20
make me nervous. Electric floors make me nervous. </SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D520290414-05022004>(A thought comes to mind--I wonder if the UL =
standard=20
for electric blankets includes a test where you wet them and what =
is the=20
fluid you use?)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>We used to have fun at the lab =
(hell, they=20
didn't pay us enough so we had to get something out of the job where you =
could).=20
I tested a chocolate shaver (I got the people to send me a five pound =
block of=20
chocolate), a commercial deep fat fryer (I did up a lot of french fries =
with=20
that before I tried to set it on fire), a hosplital bed for burn =
patients (a=20
fluidized bed of sand--heated air was blown up through it). Hospital =
equipment=20
has a higher standard for leakage currents as I recall (a lot of=20
nearly-naked people and stray fluids there). In the end I was testing =
air=20
conditioning equipment--pretty boring.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D520290414-05022004>Sparky</SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t an =
orifice,=20
it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:52=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Electric Radiant Floor Heating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 6:05:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px =
solid"><SPAN=20
class=3D427185422-04022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>The =
thought of=20
putting a radiant electric heater in the floor, especially under a =
tile=20
floor in a bathroom situation or entry hall (where water might be =
present),=20
makes me very nervous. I suppose you could put it on a ground fault =
detector=20
(GFI) circuit but I don't trust them =
</FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Interesting point, but =
I there's gotta=20
be some way (low voltage would be my guess) that they design =
these=20
systems up so you don't fry. I would think the boys (and =
Pam's geye=20
friends) at UL would frown on a system where this hadn't been worked =
out REAL=20
well in advance.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Any of you whippersnappers out=20
there been to Mech & Elec class since the=20
1970's?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT=20
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He'll take that as a compliment!
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gabriel =
Orgrease
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 6:27 AM
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>
>
>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband?
>
English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.
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Mr. Pam absolutely wouldn't have a problem with his bedroom actions =
being discussed (or disgust). He trusts my discretions (although I =
can't think of why) and even some of my indiscretions. Oh, and ][<en =
was close about the vet.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [BP] Pam's non-Radiant Floor Heating
=09
=09
In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband? About now she is
probably helping him recover from the stroke he had when he learned =
his
actions in the bedroom were the topic of discussion here. Ruth
Yes, that's Pam. She lives up by the North Pole, like you, only a =
little west. And as for his actions in the bedroom being discussed, =
better than than his inactions.
=20
Ralph
=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3D237233216-05022004>Mr.=20
Pam absolutely wouldn't have a problem with his bedroom actions being =
discussed=20
(or disgust). He trusts my discretions (although I can't think of =
why) and=20
even some of my indiscretions. Oh, and ][<en was close about =
the=20
vet.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr =
lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t an =
orifice,=20
it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:04 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Pam's non-Radiant Floor Heating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English =
husband? About=20
now she is<BR>probably helping him recover from the stroke he had =
when he=20
learned his<BR>actions in the bedroom were the topic of discussion=20
here. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Yes, that's Pam. She lives up =
by the=20
North Pole, like you, only a little west. And as for his actions =
in the=20
bedroom being discussed, better than than his =
inactions.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>PS-- But we still never heard from =
Pam what=20
the business about the vet really=20
was.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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writes:
Holy Masonite Cow!!!!! Thirty MILLION, we're only spending fifty-five
million to renovate/ addition a whole high school, and that's the most
expensive school project in the state--ever. Ruth
Ruth,
See what you get for living in the right place?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 7:44:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SOV=
ER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Holy Masonite Cow!!!!! Thirty MILLION, w=
e're only spending fifty-five<BR>million to renovate/ addition a whole high=20=
school, and that's the most<BR>expensive school project in the state--ever.&=
nbsp; Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>Ruth,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>See what you get for living in the right place?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Bruce,
Thanks, Mr. Wizard! For my house, I think I'll stick with the forced hot air
it already has.
Ralph
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writes:
He'll take that as a compliment!
>
>
>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband?
>
English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.
If the alternative were a visit to the vet to get fixed, I'd take it as a
compliment, too.
Ralph
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IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>He'll take that as a compliment!<BR><BR>><B=
R>><BR>>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband?<BR>><B=
R>English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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ke it as a compliment, too.</STRONG></DIV>
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Oh, and ][<en was close about the vet.
Great, now we gotta go back in the archive and see what ]<en said.
Ralph
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2px solid"><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=
=3D237233216-05022004>Oh, and ][<en was close about the vet.</SPAN></FONT=
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NOW you made me laugh.
=20
- Pam
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=09
=09
In a message dated 2/5/2004 11:33:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
He'll take that as a compliment!
=09
>
>
>Isn't Pam the one with the reserved English husband?
>
English husband, yes. Reserved, hardly.
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a compliment, too.
=20
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you made me laugh.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D429272722-05022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
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Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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orifice,=20
it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:24=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Pam's non-Radiant Floor Heating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 11:33:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px"><FONT=20
face=3DArial>He'll take that as a =
compliment!<BR><BR>><BR>><BR>>Isn't=20
Pam the one with the reserved English husband?<BR>><BR>English =
husband,=20
yes. Reserved, hardly.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:24:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Besides... is it not the uberArchitect/Contractor who only needs
> to show
> that they have a pencil? I mean, not having to use the pencil,
> just show
> it [nifty pencils obviously] and collect money and fame. The sign of
> ultimate success is that you have no office, no vehicle, no phone, no
> company -- but you have a pencil... a last vestige of trade and
> hands-on, a very small instrument connected to a vast reality.
>
> *Hmmm. How do I with (minimal) office, no (office) vehicle, no (cell)
> phone, no (incorporated) company, but a shitload of (largely unused,
> but in any case far from nifty) pencils fit into this picture of
> "ultimate success?" Somehow the picture ]<en paints sounds more like
> ultimate failure.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Oh... yes, and I forgot -- and people send you money for no obvious reason.
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Stevenson, Pamela wrote:
> NOW you made me laugh.
I'll laugh when they send the 1st one to the vet for his euthanasia.
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That's what I'd if I were you, at least until you do your thirty million
dollar renovation. It's much cheaper. Ruth
At 12:00 PM -0500 2/5/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Bruce,
Thanks, Mr. Wizard! For my house, I think I'll stick with the forced hot
air it already has.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Pam's non-Radiant Floor Heating Laugh
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:28:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
NOW you made me laugh.
- Pam
Yes, but did you need assistance with bladder control? Close only counts in
horseshoes and atomic bombs, you know.
Ralph
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:28:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@RI=
T.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D429=
272722-05022004>NOW you made me laugh.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D429272722-05=
022004></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D429=
272722-05022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Yes, but did you need assistance with bla=
dder control? Close only counts in horseshoes and atomic bombs, you kn=
ow.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:29:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Oh... yes, and I forgot -- and people send you money for no obvious reason.
No, they don't send me money for obvious reasons.
Wait a minute. I think I better work on that one a little.
Ralph
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:29:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, orgrease@=
OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Oh... yes, and I forgot -- and people send you=
money for no obvious reason.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>No, they <U>don't</U> send me money for o=
bvious reasons.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Wait a minute. I think I better wor=
k on that one a little.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Pam's non-Radiant Floor Heating
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:39:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'll laugh when they send the 1st one to the vet for his euthanasia.
Another instance of where the nice guys finish last.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:39:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, orgrease@=
OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>I'll laugh when they send the 1st one to the v=
et for his euthanasia.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Another instance of where the nice guys f=
inish last.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Bruce re: Electric Radiant Floor Heating vs. Socks
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In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
That's what I'd if I were you, at least until you do your thirty million
dollar renovation. It's much cheaper. Ruth
At 12:00 PM -0500 2/5/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Bruce,
Thanks, Mr. Wizard! For my house, I think I'll stick with the forced hot
air it already has.
Ralph
Ya wanna know how to keep your feet warm? Put on goddam socks! Even I, the
great Beach Bunny [not unlike the Great Pumpkin; i.e., Charles Schulz' Great
Pumpkin, not The Lurking Realtor Down in VA] could figure that one out.
But nooooo, the little Ralphs and Their Mother would rather curse the cold.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/5/2004 6:18:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SOV=
ER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>That's what I'd if I were you, at least until=20=
you do your thirty million<BR>dollar renovation. It's much cheaper.&nb=
sp; Ruth<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 12:00 PM -0500 2/5/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:=
<BR>Bruce,<BR><BR>Thanks, Mr. Wizard! For my house, I think I'll stick=
with the forced hot<BR>air it already has.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>=
</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ya wanna know how to keep your feet warm?=
Put on goddam socks! Even I, the great Beach Bunny [not unlike=20=
the Great Pumpkin; i.e., Charles Schulz' Great Pumpkin, not The Lurking=
Realtor Down in VA] could figure that one out.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>But nooooo, the little Ralphs and Their M=
other would rather curse the cold.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Subject: Holding Rudy's Feet to the Voltage
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Dear Frigid Pinheads,
Rudy's friends' friends at warmfloorcenter.com and easyheat.com advise that
their extremely fabulous products run on voltage from 110 to 240, confirming
that low voltage (as noted earlier) is NFG, or perhaps NFW {W for "way'].
Needless to say, they do a real good job insulating their cables. Sez them.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Dear Frigid Pinheads,</FONT></STRONG></DI=
V>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Rudy's friends' friends at warmfloor=
center.com and easyheat.com advise that their extremely fabulous products ru=
n on voltage from 110 to 240, confirming that low voltage (as noted ear=
lier) is NFG, or perhaps NFW {W for "way']. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Needless to say, they do a <U>real</U> go=
od job insulating their cables. Sez them.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Subject: Re: Holding Rudy's High Voltage Feet
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>>Dear Frigid Pinheads,
Rudy's friends' friends at warmfloorcenter.com and easyheat.com advise
that their extremely fabulous products run on voltage from 110 to 240,
confirming that low voltage (as noted earlier) is NFG, or perhaps NFW {W
for "way'].
Needless to say, they do a real good job insulating their cables. Sez
them.
Ralph<<
C'mon Ralph! Watt's with testing voltage with your feet? Use
you tongue man!!
Rudy Kilowatt
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110 to 240, confirming that low voltage (as noted earlier) is NFG, =
or
perhaps NFW {W for "way']. </span></font></b></strong><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font =
size=3D2
color=3D"#400040" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#400040'>Needless to say, they do a <u>real</u> good job =
insulating their
cables. Sez them.</span></font></b></strong><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font =
size=3D2
color=3D"#400040" face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:#400040'>Ralph</span></font></b></strong><strong><b><font size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><<</span></font></b></strong><strong><b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>C’mon
Ralph! Watt’s with testing voltage with your feet? Use you tongue =
man!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
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C=E2=80=99mon Ralph! Watt=E2=80=99s with testing voltage with your feet? U=
se you tongue=20
man!!
=20
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Eeeeewwwwwwww. Not on the floor. That would be unsanitary. =20
Ralph
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completely despicable, despite his many Pinhead admirers] on his new=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style=3D"mso-tab=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial size=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Eeeeewwwwwwww. Not on the floor. That wou=
ld be unsanitary. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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rump [who I for one consider to be completely despicable, despite=20=
his many Pinhead admirers] on his new intellectually stimulating TV show on=20=
Fox, which included several shots of his boardroom, where there is a gilded=20=
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> C’mon Ralph! Watt’s with testing voltage with your feet? Use you
> tongue man!!
>
> Rudy Kilowatt
>
My grandfather always taught me to lick my finger then stick it in the
socket.
One of the reasons I did not like electrical work so much.
I won't share his advice to the young man on sex.
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> In a message dated 2/5/2004 5:29:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Oh... yes, and I forgot -- and people send you money for no
> obvious reason.
>
> *No, they _don't_ send me money for obvious reasons.*
> **
> *Wait a minute. I think I better work on that one a little.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Sharpen your pencil, Ralph.
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MessageRadiant heat in wood floors is very common now in this part of =
the country. Like any technology when it's new some people think it's =
the answer to all. Up here the weekenders are building 5ooo sq ft =
monsters with all radiant heat. Response times are slower, particularly =
with masonry floors, so when they arrive Friday night and crank up the =
heat,oh no they're still cold. There is also controversy about the =
efficiency claimed by manufacturers. ctb
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stevenson, Pamela=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
So, has anyone ever seen this type of installation in anything other =
than stone/slab floors? Is it ever run thru joists of a typical wooden =
structure (run parallel until it's time to go to the next section, like =
running wires)? Is insulation placed under it? Just a curiosity more =
than anything.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cuyler =
Page
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
I am interested in any kind of case study or article concerning =
non-functioning or leaking radiant floor heating. Does anyone you know =
have personal experience with repairing, or replacing old radiant floor =
heating?
Thanks, Chilly in Ct.
The sweetest installation I ever saw was here in Vernon, BC where =
pipes were laid in a carefully created sand bed about 12 inches thick, =
and the floor was simply massive flat rocks well placed and carefully =
shaped with dry fit edges. The intent was to provide easy access in =
case of future problems or changes in technology. The owner was using =
his own new house as a showplace for the German-built heat-exchanger and =
radiant system controller. Water was pumped from the large nearby lake =
to both heat and cool the house. The control room looked like =
something from the space shuttle, and the living room looked like a =
medieval castle. The system had great reviews. The mortarless stone =
floor was a beauty.
cp warm in bc
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Radiant heat in wood floors is very =
common now in=20
this part of the country. Like any technology when it's new some people =
think=20
it's the answer to all. Up here the weekenders are building 5ooo sq ft =
monsters=20
with all radiant heat. Response times are slower, particularly with =
masonry=20
floors, so when they arrive Friday night and crank up the heat,oh no =
they're=20
still cold. There is also controversy about the efficiency claimed by=20
manufacturers. ctb</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Stevenson, =
Pamela</A>=20
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2004 7:19=20
AM</DIV>
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Heating</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D402531615-03022004>So, has anyone ever seen this type of =
installation in=20
anything other than stone/slab floors? Is it ever run thru =
joists of a=20
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next=20
section, like running wires)? Is insulation placed under =
it? Just=20
a curiosity more than anything.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=3D402531615-03022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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class=3D402531615-03022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
This isn`t an=20
orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Cuyler Page<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:30=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
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<P>I am interested in any kind of case study or article concerning =
non-functioning or leaking radiant floor heating. Does =
anyone you=20
know have personal experience with repairing, or replacing old =
radiant=20
floor heating?</P>
<P>Thanks, Chilly in Ct.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The sweetest installation I ever =
saw was here=20
in Vernon, BC where pipes were laid in a carefully created sand =
bed=20
about 12 inches thick, and the floor was simply massive flat =
rocks well=20
placed and carefully shaped with dry fit edges. The =
intent was=20
to provide easy access in case of future problems or changes in=20
technology. The owner was using his own new house as a =
showplace=20
for the German-built heat-exchanger and radiant system=20
controller. Water was pumped from the large =
nearby lake to=20
both heat and cool the house. The control =
room looked=20
like something from the space shuttle, and the living room looked =
like a=20
medieval castle. The system had great reviews. The =
mortarless stone floor was a beauty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Radiant heat should be on separate zones from baseboard, it needs a =
lower temperature. I just added a tempering valve to my one radiant =
zone. ctb
----- Original Message -----=20
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To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
http://www.rtisystems.com/about_us/index.html
Stevenson, Pamela wrote:
My question was prompted because I was wondering if it was something =
we could do in our living room, which has a crawl space under it. It's =
been warm enough this winter only because the radiators are constantly =
going to keep up with the deep freeze. So, I had already planned to =
insulate under the floor, but thought it would be nice if we could heat =
it, as well. So, is their web site http://www.radianttech.com?
Hadn't thought about the master bedroom, which currently has no heat =
source other than the portable electric oil radiator my mother donated =
to the cause, and the soapstone we heat on the kitchen wood burner =
before we go to bed.
So, since we already have hot water radiant heat, I figured it =
wouldn't be too hard to get something like this connected to the =
existing water supply that goes to that part of the house
could bastardize it to hook up to the existing piping-
before the remodel when I did the nursery I did just that-
(other than the fact that the pipes are old, so who knows what =
condition they are in currently. Based on all that, is this something =
an HVAC person installs, or a plumber, or both?
I had Manny one of my laborers run the pipes for the most part..
I had to help him feed them
- Pam
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From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
The 1st floor of my house is radiant heated w/ pex piping attached =
to the underside of the subfloor and then the joist bays insulated
@ the bathrooms I used the aluminum pans, wrapped the tubs w/ the =
piping and even came up the walls a few feet depending on how much extra =
I had in the max allowable per loop.
have had zero problems w/ the oak strip flooring- both new and 70 =
yrs old.
have had zero problems with the quarry tile kitchen floor- except =
that my 2 sons had a tendency to get up under the kitchen table and nap =
there like cats
My regret is that I was looking to save money and went with =
thinline baseboard @ my bedroom- wish I had done the floor there as =
well.
Retrofit the thinline in the other bedrooms and it worked out =
well....
Ended up w/ a separate Tstat @ each Bedroom and each of the 2 =
upstairs bedrooms- which works very well - especially for mrs drew who =
gets up after me and after I've pushed up the bath tstat..
Wish I had put a separate zone in the TV room which has walls that =
are 60% glass and may do so this summer.
the components I used were from Radiant Technology
Stevenson, Pamela wrote:
So, has anyone ever seen this type of installation in anything =
other than stone/slab floors? Is it ever run thru joists of a typical =
wooden structure (run parallel until it's time to go to the next =
section, like running wires)? Is insulation placed under it? Just a =
curiosity more than anything.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent =
lighting. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf =
Of Cuyler Page
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating
I am interested in any kind of case study or article =
concerning non-functioning or leaking radiant floor heating. Does =
anyone you know have personal experience with repairing, or replacing =
old radiant floor heating?
Thanks, Chilly in Ct.
The sweetest installation I ever saw was here in Vernon, BC =
where pipes were laid in a carefully created sand bed about 12 inches =
thick, and the floor was simply massive flat rocks well placed and =
carefully shaped with dry fit edges. The intent was to provide easy =
access in case of future problems or changes in technology. The owner =
was using his own new house as a showplace for the German-built =
heat-exchanger and radiant system controller. Water was pumped from =
the large nearby lake to both heat and cool the house. The control =
room looked like something from the space shuttle, and the living room =
looked like a medieval castle. The system had great reviews. The =
mortarless stone floor was a beauty.
cp warm in bc
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wondering if=20
it was something we could do in our living room, which has a crawl =
space=20
under it. It's been warm enough this winter only because the =
radiators=20
are constantly going to keep up with the deep freeze. So, I =
had=20
already planned to insulate under the floor, but thought it would be =
nice if=20
we could heat it, as well. So, is their web site <A=20
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href=3D"http://www.radianttech.com">http://www.radianttech.com</A>?</SPAN=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D181214315-03022004>Hadn't thought about the master bedroom, =
which=20
currently has no heat source other than the portable electric oil =
radiator=20
my mother donated to the cause, and the soapstone we heat on the =
kitchen=20
wood burner before we go to bed.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D181214315-03022004>So, since we already have hot water =
radiant heat, I=20
figured it wouldn't be too hard to get something like this connected =
to the=20
existing water supply that goes to that part of the=20
house</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>could bastardize it to hook up =
to the=20
existing piping-<BR>before the remodel when I did the nursery I did =
just=20
that-<BR><BR>
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old, so who=20
knows what condition they are in currently. Based on all that, =
is this=20
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both?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I had Manny one of my laborers =
run the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D181214315-03022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
This isn`t=20
an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. [<A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:BULLAMAN=
[log in to unmask]</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A><BR><B=
>Sent:</B>=20
Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>The 1st floor =
of my=20
house is radiant heated w/ pex piping attached to the underside of =
the=20
subfloor and then the joist bays insulated<BR>@ the bathrooms I =
used the=20
aluminum pans, wrapped the tubs w/ the piping and even came up the =
walls a=20
few feet depending on how much extra I had in the max allowable =
per=20
loop.<BR>have had zero problems w/ the oak strip flooring- both =
new and 70=20
yrs old.<BR>have had zero problems with the quarry tile =
kitchen=20
floor- except that my 2 sons had a tendency to get up under the =
kitchen=20
table and nap there like cats<BR>My regret is that I was looking =
to save=20
money and went with thinline baseboard @ my bedroom- wish I had =
done the=20
floor there as well.<BR>Retrofit the thinline in the other =
bedrooms and it=20
worked out well....<BR>Ended up w/ a separate Tstat @ each Bedroom =
and=20
each of the 2 upstairs bedrooms- which works very well - =
especially for=20
mrs drew who gets up after me and after I've pushed up the bath=20
tstat..<BR>Wish I had put a separate zone in the TV room which has =
walls=20
that are 60% glass and may do so this summer.<BR><BR>the =
components I used=20
were from Radiant Technology<BR><BR>Stevenson, Pamela wrote:<BR>
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class=3D402531615-03022004>So, has anyone ever seen this type of =
installation in anything other than stone/slab floors? Is =
it ever=20
run thru joists of a typical wooden structure (run parallel =
until it's=20
time to go to the next section, like running wires)? Is =
insulation=20
placed under it? Just a curiosity more than=20
anything.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D402531615-03022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This=20
isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. [<A=20
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:BULLAMAN=
[log in to unmask]</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Cuyler Page<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, =
February 03,=20
2004 1:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated =
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Radiant Floor Heating<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
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<P>I am interested in any kind of case study or article =
concerning=20
non-functioning or leaking radiant floor heating. Does =
anyone=20
you know have personal experience with repairing, or =
replacing old=20
radiant floor heating?</P>
<P>Thanks, Chilly in Ct.</P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The sweetest installation I =
ever saw was=20
here in Vernon, BC where pipes were laid in a =
carefully created=20
sand bed about 12 inches thick, and the floor was =
simply massive=20
flat rocks well placed and carefully shaped with dry fit=20
edges. The intent was to provide easy access in =
case of=20
future problems or changes in technology. The =
owner was=20
using his own new house as a showplace for the German-built=20
heat-exchanger and radiant system controller. =
Water was=20
pumped from the large nearby lake to both heat and cool =
the=20
house. The control room looked like =
something=20
from the space shuttle, and the living room looked like a =
medieval=20
castle. The system had great reviews. The =
mortarless=20
stone floor was a beauty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp warm in=20
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bc</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
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Bruce:
With your electrical background I thought you might be able to help me
figure out arch fault circuit interupters (AFCIs) and how they can be used
in old houses.
Our "research question" is:
Can AFCIs be used in retrofit applications in older dwellings that use
two-wire circuits without a grounding conductor? More specifically:
wouldn't it be neat if these devices could be used to protect old knob &
tube branch circuits to reduce the risk of building fires?
Background:
These devices work similar in theory to the ground fault circuit
interrupter (GFCI); however, their purpose is a little different. The arch
fault circuit interrupter (AFCI) is used to sense an arch fault. An arch
fault occurs when electric current jumps through an air gap between two
current carrying or a current and non-current carrying piece of metal. It
takes 80 millivolts to jump across an air gap of one 1000th of an inch.
This means in theory that an arch occurring at a 125 volt receptacle could
span a gap of one and one half inches.
An arch is a high resistance short circuit. For this reason, it is
difficult to extinguish the arch once it begins. The temperature within an
arch is extremely hot. It has been theorized that arches occurring at
bedroom receptacles have been linked to the eventual fires in residential
homes. In 1999, the NEC code panel added a requirement to the code which
requires these devices to be used on all 125 volt receptacle circuits in
the bedroom. The code panel further revised this code in the 2002 edition
to include all 125 volt outlets within the bedroom, which includes smoke
detectors, lighting, etc. The AFCI device works as a current limiting
device disconnecting the source voltage quickly and thereby extinguishing
the arch once it occurs.
Our understanding is that these devices are in their infancy stages. Based
on their current design, they will not extinguish archs in every situation.
Their design is based on extinguishing parallel archs not series archs. A
parallel arch is one which is in parallel with the load. Likewise, a series
arch is one which might occur when the load is disconnected from the supply
such as during switching operations or when a cord cap is pulled from the
receptacle while still under load. Niether the series nor the parallel arch
are desirable, but the series arch occurs under normal operation. We expect
future technology will resolve the problems surrounding these devices, and
we plan to stay abreast of the future changes as they occur.
What do you think?
John (kneeling to Electra, praying she will bless us all) Leeke
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In a message dated 2/6/2004 9:31:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Oh... yes, and I forgot -- and people send you money for no
> obvious reason.
>
> *No, they _don't_ send me money for obvious reasons.*
> **
> *Wait a minute. I think I better work on that one a little.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Sharpen your pencil, Ralph.
You mean I should be lettering this by hand instead of typing it on the
computer? Or are you saying I should be doing a draft on paper and then typing it?
I'm so confused.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/6/2004 9:31:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, orgrease@=
OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>> Oh... yes, and I forgo=
t -- and people send you money for no<BR>> obvious rea=
son.<BR>><BR>> *No, they _don't_ send me money for obvious reasons.*<B=
R>> **<BR>> *Wait a minute. I think I better work on that one a=20=
little.*<BR>> **<BR>> *Ralph*<BR><BR>Sharpen your pencil, Ralph.</FONT=
></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>You mean I should be lettering this by ha=
nd instead of typing it on the computer? Or are you saying I should be=
doing a draft on paper and then typing it?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>I'm so confused.</FONT></STRONG> </D=
IV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Mobius Click or the Electrical Pliers
Klein, my maker.
[Insert 200 pages of the National Electrical Code here.]
My handles are cobalt blue. How about you?
I am a tool slave used by Joe the electrician.
In his leather pouch I snuggle next to the red beaks. Many a copper wire
I've bent in my day, till absent minded Joe shorted me out on 440 volts.
In a flash I burnt him back, WHANG BANG! I laid the flaccid moron out
cold. I got him square right smack between the kisser and the eyes. When
he came to I had already skipped with a screw driver in the pouch of his
arch enemy Tecumseh.
He should not have stuck me in that box to begin with. I suppose he did
not see the skull and bones painted there. I whacked him in the face
with that electrical power so that now he sees nothing. Don't worry, he
will come around. They all do in time.
We are riding along Sunset Blvd., Tecumseh and I, in a canary yellow
corvette.
Joe is in love with Alice, his anima. Before I skipped I snipped the
anima of Joe, an id lobotomy I did. It was very quick... and painless.
In my family you hit them with one thing and then snip them with
another. So Joe the electrician is now fumbling around in the dark
looking for my handles.
If I were you I would sneak up on him and clip free his tool belt.
But watch for the groping fingers.
XXX
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I'm sure Grandad's advice included something about "Don't go to the Vet." Ruth
At 9:24 AM -0500 2/6/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>>
>>
>> C'mon Ralph! Watt's with testing voltage with your feet? Use you
>> tongue man!!
>>
>> Rudy Kilowatt
>>
>My grandfather always taught me to lick my finger then stick it in the
>socket.
>One of the reasons I did not like electrical work so much.
>I won't share his advice to the young man on sex.
>
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In a message dated 2/6/2004 6:30:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
I'm sure Grandad's advice included something about "Don't go to the Vet."
Ruth
At 9:24 AM -0500 2/6/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>>>>
>> C'mon Ralph! Watt's with testing voltage with your feet? Use you
>> tongue man!!
>>
>> Rudy Kilowatt
>>
>My grandfather always taught me to lick my finger then stick it in the
>socket. One of the reasons I did not like electrical work so much.
>I won't share his advice to the young man on sex.
This is geeting way to convoluted for me. I'm still stuck (but not impaled)
on Janet Jackson's brooch.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/6/2004 6:30:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SOV=
ER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>I'm sure Grandad's advice included something a=
bout "Don't go to the Vet." Ruth<BR><BR>At 9:24 AM -0500 2/6/04, Gabri=
el Orgrease wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>> C'mon Ralph! Watt's with=20=
testing voltage with your feet? Use you<BR>>> tongue man!!<BR>>>=
<BR>>> Rudy Kilowatt<BR>>><BR>>My grandfather always taught m=
e to lick my finger then stick it in the<BR>>socket. One of the rea=
sons I did not like electrical work so much.<BR>>I won't share his advice=
to the young man on sex.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#400040><STRONG>This is geeting way to convoluted for me.=
I'm still stuck (but not impaled) on Janet Jackson's brooch.</STRONG>=
</FONT></DIV>
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> *No, they _don't_ send me money for obvious reasons.*
Let me see if I've got this straight. If they sent money for obvious
reasons business would be much easier. Do we think they give us money to
burn lime and stuff mortar in the brick joint, or to sharpen our pencils
and draw a line on the paper? If this were so, we'd be rolling in dough.
Actually they send us money because we remind them of their brother they
loved and lost in the war, or because their neighbor will see how nice
their house looks, or spending money helps their head fill their hat. When
we understand this we are in business and then we get to play with mud and
draw pictures for the joy that we can find in hard work.
John (nose to the grindstone) Leeke
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John Leeke, Preservation Consultant wrote:
>>*No, they _don't_ send me money for obvious reasons.*
>>
>>
>
>Let me see if I've got this straight. If they sent money for obvious
>reasons business would be much easier. Do we think they give us money to
>burn lime and stuff mortar in the brick joint, or to sharpen our pencils
>and draw a line on the paper? If this were so, we'd be rolling in dough.
>Actually they send us money because we remind them of their brother they
>loved and lost in the war, or because their neighbor will see how nice
>their house looks, or spending money helps their head fill their hat. When
>we understand this we are in business and then we get to play with mud and
>draw pictures for the joy that we can find in hard work.
>
>John (nose to the grindstone) Leeke
>
John,
Please keep reminding us.
It is too easy to get distracted in the particulars.
Thanks,
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A tourist in the delta once asked if they were going to restore any of the
old juke joints...everyone just stared at him...leave em alone they said
Since the end of slavery these :Blind pigs" (illicit bars) teeter on the
edges of cotton fields and deep in the shanty town "hoods" without codes or police
for that matter for in the time of Jim Crow there were two systems one white
and one black;
and for the police to mettle in such places on Sat night was just asking for
trouble
This was not exactly your Big band crowd.
Men carried pearl.handled sat night specials (some still do ) and women were
notorious for having a straight razor in their stocking if someone stole their
man .
Dice (craps ) are the games of choice and wife and woman stealing coupled
with white whiskey and the Devils music brought out the "Devil" in men..
Last night it was a full moon ;seeking a little devilment I drove with the
Mrs ( as she is in a blues society ) to seek out "ol Scratch' and see if there
was any soul selling going on..
Devils Music
A cold windy night and the stiff winter wind pushed hard on the wavy glass
of the old juke joint..The plastic chili lights;old and cracked , danced in
the wind and blinked haphazard above a flyblown roof and seedy entrance
puddled in beer .
The greeter of the Paradise lounge was an enormous black with a cauliflower
ear and displaced nose who smiled with a gold cap when I pressed the flesh
with a Jackson into his meaty hand .
Inside was a long bar with a game of chance going at the far end ;to the back
in a throwback to the 50's was a vinal tile in 50's orange and black "stone
pattern dance floor and silver tinsel stage where as the preachers say the
Devils music ,was in full swng..
We never got a chance to sit.
Two harp (harmonica)players one black on white, and on their knees pushed
and and snorted their harps in the pounding rhythm of a runaway train while a
young white boy of 19 hopped and wild danced across the floor with his
guitar in a driving rain of blues cords that had everyone; I mean everyone,
black. white. cowboys and truckdrivers , sales ladies and waitresses up
jitterbugging and shaking booty in uncontrollable fits of passion to get out of
their systems the pent up humdrum of winter..
Suddenly the music slowed in tempo as if the train was going round the bend
and while the drummer kept the beat and the people clapped along the young
blues man dressed to the nines in the salvation army rags of a country Negro
pimp circa 1950's
Raised his right hand and asked
"what was the "one thing ladies and gen-tl-mens to 'chase the blues away
from yo po soul " to which some one from the back of the room yelled
...JESUS .
To which he respond .."Yes dats da one " .....and with that the train lurched
forward and the room lifted in soulful rhythmic cry for Jesus ...Jesus
Jesus now pushed by a burning almost insane beat of driving blues that crazed
the crowd as it was transformed into an outrageous mass of humans
unaware now that their physical bodies had taken on some new dimension in space and
time in which they were helpless to do anything about.
It was as if everyone had the two dollar ticket that paid a hundred to one
;arms and hands skywards the shabby little club with phots of Howling wolf was
transformed into a revival tent with beer.
lAfterwards over a Dixie (beer);I spoke to the young Bluesman and his black
girl friend.
He spoke with the distinct backwoods country drawl of tar heel Blacks.and
had lived with a great Mississippi blues man to study with for 3 yrs
What impressed me was his observation (spoken in Eubonics) of the ability
of the 19cent minstrels to reach out beyond race and melt boundaries of status
and wealth to touch people ("tech folks") to experience that(weeze one) we
are all one .
. .Last month he was the runner up in the world blues competition in
Memphis, his name "slick"Berringer..don't miss him
...
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joints...everyone just stared at him...leave em alone they said<BR>
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Since the end of slavery these :Blind pigs" (illicit bars) teeter on the edg=
es of cotton fields and deep in the shanty town "hoods" without codes or pol=
ice for that matter for in the time of Jim Crow there were two systems one w=
hite and one black;<BR>
and for the police to mettle in such places on Sat night was just asking for=
trouble <BR>
This was not exactly your Big band crowd.<BR>
Men carried pearl.handled sat night specials (some still do ) and women were=
notorious for having a straight razor in their stocking if someone stole th=
eir man .<BR>
Dice (craps ) are the games of choice and wife and woman stealing coupled w=
ith white whiskey and the Devils music brought out the "Devil" in men..<BR>
<BR>
Last night it was a full moon ;seeking a little devilment I drove with the M=
rs ( as she is in a blues society ) to seek out "ol Scratch' and see i=
f there was any soul selling going on..<BR>
<BR>
Devils Music<BR>
<BR>
A cold windy night and the stiff winter wind pushed hard on the wavy&n=
bsp; glass of the old juke joint..The plastic chili lights;old and cra=
cked , danced in the wind and blinked haphazard above a flyblown roof=20=
and seedy entrance puddled in beer .<BR>
The greeter of the Paradise lounge was an enormous black with a caulif=
lower ear and displaced nose who smiled with a gold cap when I pressed the f=
lesh with a Jackson into his meaty hand .<BR>
Inside was a long bar with a game of chance going at the far end ;to the bac=
k in a throwback to the 50's was a vinal tile in 50's orange and black "ston=
e pattern dance floor and silver tinsel stage where as the=
preachers say the Devils music ,was in full swng..<BR>
We never got a chance to sit.<BR>
Two harp (harmonica)players one black on white, and on their knees &nbs=
p; pushed and and snorted their harps in the pounding rhythm of a =
; runaway train while a young white boy of 19 hopped and wild danced across=20=
the floor with his guitar in a driving rain of blues cords that had ev=
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black. white. cowboys and truckdrivers , sales ladies and waitresses =20=
up jitterbugging and shaking booty in uncontrollable fits of passion t=
o get out of their systems the pent up humdrum of winter..<BR>
<BR>
Suddenly the music slowed in tempo as if the train was going round the=
bend and while the drummer kept the beat and the people clapped along =
the young blues man dressed to the nines in the salvation army rags o=
f a country Negro pimp circa 1950's <BR>
Raised his right hand and asked <BR>
"what was the "one thing ladies and gen-tl-mens to 'chase the blues aw=
ay from yo po soul " to which some one f=
rom the back of the room yelled ...JESUS .<BR>
To which he respond .."Yes dats da one " .....and with that the train lurche=
d forward and the room lifted in soulful rhythmic cry for=20=
Jesus ...Jesus Jesus now pushed by a burning almost insane beat =20=
of driving blues that crazed the crowd as it w=
as transformed into an outrageous mass of humans unaware now tha=
t their physical bodies had taken on some new dimension in space and time in=
which they were helpless to do anything about.<BR>
It was as if everyone had the two dollar ticket that paid a hundred to one ;=
arms and hands skywards the shabby little club with phots of Howling wolf wa=
s transformed into a revival tent with beer.<BR>
lAfterwards over a Dixie (beer);I spoke to the young Bluesman and his black=20=
girl friend.<BR>
He spoke with the distinct backwoods country drawl of tar heel Blacks.=
and had lived with a great Mississippi blues man to study with for 3 y=
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What impressed me was his observation (spoken in Eubonics) of the ability&n=
bsp; of the 19cent minstrels to reach out beyond race and melt boundaries&nb=
sp; of status and wealth to touch people ("tech folks") to=
experience that(weeze one) we are all one .<BR>
. .Last month he was the runner up in the world blues competition in M=
emphis, his name "slick"Berringer..don't miss him<BR>
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He speaks the truth...
=20
It says Slick Ballinger won a Albert King Flying V (Gibson, I assume) =
guitar for his prowess at the International Blues Challenge.=20
=20
"First place in the band contest was awarded Saturday night to Zac =
Harmon and the Midsouth Blues Revue (Southern California Blues =
Society-Los Angeles CA). Coming in second, Reverend Slick and the Soul =
Blues Boys (Howlin Wolf Blues Society-West Point MS). Third place went =
to The Matthew Stubbs Band (Boston Blues Society-Boston MA). As =
announced Saturday, the Solo/Duo winner is Lightnin' Lee & the Upright =
Rooster (Spa City Blues Society-Hot Springs AR)."
=20
Good to see Boston, MA can still get some recognition for their blues.
=20
For more details:
=20
http://www.blues.org/about/news.php4?Id=3D6
=20
=20
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From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of =
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:15 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] Devils Music..
A tourist in the delta once asked if they were going to restore any of =
the old juke joints...everyone just stared at him...leave em alone they =
said
Since the end of slavery these :Blind pigs" (illicit bars) teeter on the =
edges of cotton fields and deep in the shanty town "hoods" without codes =
or police for that matter for in the time of Jim Crow there were two =
systems one white and one black;
and for the police to mettle in such places on Sat night was just asking =
for trouble =20
This was not exactly your Big band crowd.
Men carried pearl.handled sat night specials (some still do ) and women =
were notorious for having a straight razor in their stocking if someone =
stole their man .
Dice (craps ) are the games of choice and wife and woman stealing =
coupled with white whiskey and the Devils music brought out the "Devil" =
in men..
Last night it was a full moon ;seeking a little devilment I drove with =
the Mrs ( as she is in a blues society ) to seek out "ol Scratch' and =
see if there was any soul selling going on..
=20
Devils Music
A cold windy night and the stiff winter wind pushed hard on the wavy =
glass of the old juke joint..The plastic chili lights;old and cracked , =
danced in the wind and blinked haphazard above a flyblown roof and =
seedy entrance puddled in beer .
The greeter of the Paradise lounge was an enormous black with a =
cauliflower ear and displaced nose who smiled with a gold cap when I =
pressed the flesh with a Jackson into his meaty hand .
Inside was a long bar with a game of chance going at the far end ;to the =
back in a throwback to the 50's was a vinal tile in 50's orange and =
black "stone pattern dance floor and silver tinsel stage where as the =
preachers say the Devils music ,was in full swng..
We never got a chance to sit.
Two harp (harmonica)players one black on white, and on their knees =
pushed and and snorted their harps in the pounding rhythm of a runaway =
train while a young white boy of 19 hopped and wild danced across the =
floor with his guitar in a driving rain of blues cords that had =
everyone; I mean everyone,
black. white. cowboys and truckdrivers , sales ladies and waitresses up =
jitterbugging and shaking booty in uncontrollable fits of passion to =
get out of their systems the pent up humdrum of winter..
Suddenly the music slowed in tempo as if the train was going round the =
bend and while the drummer kept the beat and the people clapped along =
the young blues man dressed to the nines in the salvation army rags of =
a country Negro pimp circa 1950's=20
Raised his right hand and asked=20
"what was the "one thing ladies and gen-tl-mens to 'chase the blues =
away from yo po soul " to which some one from the back of the room =
yelled ...JESUS .
To which he respond .."Yes dats da one " .....and with that the train =
lurched forward and the room lifted in soulful rhythmic cry for Jesus =
...Jesus Jesus now pushed by a burning almost insane beat of driving =
blues that crazed the crowd as it was transformed into an =
outrageous mass of humans unaware now that their physical bodies had =
taken on some new dimension in space and time in which they were =
helpless to do anything about.
It was as if everyone had the two dollar ticket that paid a hundred to =
one ;arms and hands skywards the shabby little club with phots of =
Howling wolf was transformed into a revival tent with beer.
lAfterwards over a Dixie (beer);I spoke to the young Bluesman and his =
black girl friend.
He spoke with the distinct backwoods country drawl of tar heel =
Blacks.and had lived with a great Mississippi blues man to study with =
for 3 yrs
What impressed me was his observation (spoken in Eubonics) of the =
ability of the 19cent minstrels to reach out beyond race and melt =
boundaries of status and wealth to touch people ("tech folks") to =
experience that(weeze one) we are all one .
. .Last month he was the runner up in the world blues competition in =
Memphis, his name "slick"Berringer..don't miss him
... =20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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guitar=20
for his prowess at the International Blues =
Challenge. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004></SPAN></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>"First=20
place in the band contest was awarded Saturday night to Zac Harmon and =
the=20
Midsouth Blues Revue (Southern California Blues Society-Los Angeles CA). =
Coming=20
in second, Reverend Slick and the Soul Blues Boys (Howlin Wolf Blues=20
Society—West Point MS). Third place went to The Matthew Stubbs =
Band (Boston=20
Blues Society—Boston MA). As announced Saturday, the Solo/Duo =
winner is=20
Lightnin’ Lee & the Upright Rooster (Spa City Blues =
Society—Hot Springs=20
AR)."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Good=20
to see Boston, MA can still get some recognition for their=20
blues.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>For=20
more details:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.blues.org/about/news.php4?Id=3D6">http://www.blues.org=
/about/news.php4?Id=3D6</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D401195420-09022004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t an =
orifice, it`s=20
help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:15=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] Devils Music..<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT =
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size=3D2 PTSIZE=3D"10">A tourist in the delta once asked if they were =
going to=20
restore any of the old juke joints...everyone just stared at =
him...leave em=20
alone they said<BR><BR>Since the end of slavery these :Blind pigs" =
(illicit=20
bars) teeter on the edges of cotton fields and deep in the shanty town =
"hoods"=20
without codes or police for that matter for in the time of Jim Crow =
there were=20
two systems one white and one black;<BR>and for the police to mettle =
in such=20
places on Sat night was just asking for trouble <BR>This was not =
exactly=20
your Big band crowd.<BR>Men carried pearl.handled sat night specials =
(some=20
still do ) and women were notorious for having a straight razor in =
their=20
stocking if someone stole their man .<BR>Dice (craps ) are the games =
of choice=20
and wife and woman stealing coupled with white whiskey and the Devils =
music=20
brought out the "Devil" in men..<BR><BR>Last night it was a full moon =
;seeking=20
a little devilment I drove with the Mrs ( as she is in a blues society =
) =20
to seek out "ol Scratch' and see if there was any soul selling =
going=20
on..<BR> <BR>Devils Music<BR><BR>A cold windy night and =
the stiff=20
winter wind pushed hard on the wavy glass of the old juke=20
joint..The plastic chili lights;old and cracked , danced in the =
wind=20
and blinked haphazard above a flyblown roof and seedy entrance =
puddled=20
in beer .<BR>The greeter of the Paradise lounge was an enormous =
black=20
with a cauliflower ear and displaced nose who smiled with a gold cap =
when I=20
pressed the flesh with a Jackson into his meaty hand .<BR>Inside was a =
long=20
bar with a game of chance going at the far end ;to the back in a =
throwback to=20
the 50's was a vinal tile in 50's orange and black "stone =
pattern dance=20
floor and silver tinsel stage where as the preachers say =
the=20
Devils music ,was in full swng..<BR>We never got a chance to =
sit.<BR>Two harp=20
(harmonica)players one black on white, and on their knees =
pushed=20
and and snorted their harps in the pounding rhythm of a =
runaway=20
train while a young white boy of 19 hopped and wild danced across the=20
floor with his guitar in a driving rain of blues cords that had=20
everyone; I mean everyone,<BR>black. white. cowboys and truckdrivers , =
sales=20
ladies and waitresses up jitterbugging and shaking booty =
in=20
uncontrollable fits of passion to get out of their systems the pent up =
humdrum=20
of winter..<BR><BR>Suddenly the music slowed in tempo as if the =
train=20
was going round the bend and while the drummer kept the beat and the =
people=20
clapped along the young blues man dressed to the nines in =
the=20
salvation army rags of a country Negro pimp circa 1950's <BR>Raised =
his right=20
hand and asked <BR>"what was the "one thing ladies and =
gen-tl-mens to=20
'chase the blues away from yo po soul " =
to which=20
some one from the back of the room yelled ...JESUS =
.<BR>To=20
which he respond .."Yes dats da one " .....and with that the train =
lurched=20
forward and the room lifted in soulful rhythmic cry =
for=20
Jesus ...Jesus Jesus now pushed by a burning almost insane =
beat =20
of driving blues that crazed the crowd as =
it was=20
transformed into an outrageous mass of humans unaware now =
that=20
their physical bodies had taken on some new dimension in space and =
time in=20
which they were helpless to do anything about.<BR>It was as if =
everyone had=20
the two dollar ticket that paid a hundred to one ;arms and hands =
skywards the=20
shabby little club with phots of Howling wolf was transformed into a =
revival=20
tent with beer.<BR>lAfterwards over a Dixie (beer);I spoke to the =
young=20
Bluesman and his black girl friend.<BR>He spoke with the distinct =
backwoods=20
country drawl of tar heel Blacks.and had lived with a great =
Mississippi=20
blues man to study with for 3 yrs<BR>What impressed me was his=20
observation (spoken in Eubonics) of the ability of the 19cent =
minstrels=20
to reach out beyond race and melt boundaries of status and =
wealth=20
to touch people ("tech folks") to experience =
that(weeze one)=20
we are all one .<BR>. .Last month he was the runner up in the =
world=20
blues competition in Memphis, his name "slick"Berringer..don't miss=20
him<BR><BR> ... =20
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The best part of most music is the names and I guess blues has their share
as well, Lightnin' Lee and the Upright Rooster. Love that name, much
better than a not Upright Rooster. I'm not real big on Blues, probably
because there isn't much around here so I didn't grow up with it. Ruth
At 4:30 PM -0500 2/9/04, Bruce Marcham wrote:
He speaks the truth...
It says Slick Ballinger won a Albert King Flying V (Gibson, I assume)
guitar for his prowess at the International Blues Challenge.
"First place in the band contest was awarded Saturday night to Zac Harmon
and the Midsouth Blues Revue (Southern California Blues Society-Los Angeles
CA). Coming in second, Reverend Slick and the Soul Blues Boys (Howlin Wolf
Blues Society-West Point MS). Third place went to The Matthew Stubbs Band
(Boston Blues Society-Boston MA). As announced Saturday, the Solo/Duo
winner is Lightnin' Lee & the Upright Rooster (Spa City Blues Society-Hot
Springs AR)."
Good to see Boston, MA can still get some recognition for their blues.
For more details:
<http://www.blues.org/about/news.php4?Id=6>http://www.blues.org/about/news.php4?Id=6
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>The best part of most music is the names and I guess blues has their share
>as well, Lightnin' Lee and the Upright Rooster. Love that name, much
>better than a not Upright Rooster. I'm not real big on Blues, probably
>because there isn't much around here so I didn't grow up with it. Ruth
>
New Vermont tourism slogan?
Need to keep the blues away...
visit
Vermont.
Upright Rooster... I love this.
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Damn! I forgot that one! Thanks, Ruth.
- Pam
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I'm sure Grandad's advice included something about "Don't go to the =
Vet." Ruth
At 9:24 AM -0500 2/6/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>>
>>
>> C'mon Ralph! Watt's with testing voltage with your feet? Use you=20
>> tongue man!!
>>
>> Rudy Kilowatt
>>
>My grandfather always taught me to lick my finger then stick it in the=20
>socket. One of the reasons I did not like electrical work so much.
>I won't share his advice to the young man on sex.
>
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Laughing even harder. You think we can get a collection going for some =
Uncle Vinnies to stop by for a visit?
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Stevenson, Pamela wrote:
> NOW you made me laugh.
I'll laugh when they send the 1st one to the vet for his euthanasia.
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writes:
Laughing even harder. You think we can get a collection going for some Uncle
Vinnies to stop by for a visit?
Pam,
I'd been wondering when we were going to hear from you again, and figured it
had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam (or the dog, or the vet, or
whoever) had been trying to keep from freezing to death in that unheated master
bedroom of yours.
Ralph
PS--Advise you check the screen doors for frozen kitties. You can fry 'em
later.
PPS-- Uncle Vinnies?
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/10/2004 2:25:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@R=
IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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et a collection going for some Uncle Vinnies to stop by for a visit?</FONT><=
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<DIV><STRONG>Pam,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I'd been wondering when we were going to hear from you again, a=
nd figured it had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam (or the do=
g, or the vet, or whoever) had been trying to keep from freezing to death in=
that unheated master bedroom of yours. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
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Laughing even harder. You think we can get a collection going for =
some Uncle Vinnies to stop by for a visit?
Pam,
=20
I'd been wondering when we were going to hear from you again, and =
figured it had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam (or the dog, =
or the vet, or whoever) had been trying to keep from freezing to death =
in that unheated master bedroom of yours. Me and Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. =
Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam....we got a thiiiiiiiinngg goin' on....actually, =
too much having to work at work this week - and it's only TUESDAY!!!!!=20
=20
Ralph
=20
PS--Advise you check the screen doors for frozen kitties. You can fry =
'em later. Yum yum!=20
=20
PPS-- Uncle Vinnies? You know the dudes - we had some in my old =
Brooklyn neighbourhood - got picked up in limos to go to work cuz good =
eye-tal-yuns do that for one another. Sometimes, they're named Guido, =
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face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t an =
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collection=20
going for some Uncle Vinnies to stop by for a =
visit?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Pam,</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I'd been wondering when we were going to hear from you =
again, and=20
figured it had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam (or the =
dog, or=20
the vet, or whoever) had been trying to keep from freezing to death in =
that=20
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face=3DArial> <FONT=20
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color=3D#800080><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=3D412384819-10022004><STRONG><FONT =
face=3DArial>e=20
and Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam....we got a =
thiiiiiiiinngg=20
goin' on....actually, too much having to work at work this week - =
and=20
it's only =
TUESDAY!!!!!</FONT></STRONG> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>PS--Advise you check the screen doors for frozen=20
kitties. You can fry 'em later. </STRONG><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3D412384819-10022004><FONT=20
color=3D#800080> <STRONG><FONT=20
=
face=3DArial>Yum yum!</FONT></STRONG></FONT> </SPAN></FONT></DI=
V>
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<DIV><STRONG>PPS-- Uncle Vinnies?</STRONG><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
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In a message dated 2/10/2004 2:54:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
Pam,
I'd been wondering when we were going to hear from you again, and figured it
had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam (or the dog, or the vet, or
whoever) had been trying to keep from freezing to death in that unheated master
bedroom of yours. Me and Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam....we
got a thiiiiiiiinngg goin' on....actually, too much having to work at work this
week - and it's only TUESDAY!!!!!
So maybe if you're so lonely (and you ask him nicely), the newly-musical Mr.
Pam could pay you a conjugal visit at work. After all, if the students are
going at it like minks, why would anybody notice (much less want to watch) a
couple of old geezers?
Ralph
PS--Advise you check the screen doors for frozen kitties. You can fry 'em
later. Yum yum! I had a feeling you were gonna say that. But don't eat them
til they're cooked (old Chinese recipe). Lisa No. 5 (I think she was the 5th
Lisa, starting with Lisa Garber in nursery school) used to say "Yum, yum!"
too. Seemed pretty weird at the time, but maybe that's what they do in St.
Louis, Louie.
PPS-- Uncle Vinnies? You know the dudes - we had some in my old Brooklyn
neighbourhood - got picked up in limos to go to work cuz good eye-tal-yuns do
that for one another. Sometimes, they're named Guido, but Joe Pesci came to
mind first. Dat was COUSIN Vinnie, and he (and that character) was what I
thought of when you wrote "Uncle Vinnie." Which reminds me that in addition to my
neighbor Ant'ny da Jew, I went to Hebrew School with one Vincent Caruso.
There was also a kid named Epstein, who was a big surfer in HS, and I think became
an electrical contractor.
Ralph
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IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Pam,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>I'd been wondering when we were going to hear fr=
om you again, and figured it had been so cold up there that you and Mr. Pam&=
nbsp;(or the dog, or the vet, or whoever) had been trying to keep from freez=
ing to death in that unheated master bedroom of yours.</STRONG><SPAN class=
=3D412384819-10022004><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff> <ST=
RONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000> <FONT color=3D#800080>M</FONT=
></FONT></STRONG></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=3D#800080><FONT face=3D"Comic San=
s MS"><SPAN class=3D412384819-10022004><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>e and Mr.=20=
Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam, Mr. Pam....we got a thiiiiiiiinngg goin' on.=
...actually, too much having to work at work this week - and it's only=20=
TUESDAY!!!!!</FONT></STRONG> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT si=
ze=3D2>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#ff0000>So maybe if you're so lonely (and you ask=
him nicely), the newly-musical Mr. Pam could pay you a conjugal visit=20=
at work. After all, if the students are going at it like minks, w=
hy would anybody notice (much less want to watch) a couple of old geeze=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2> Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG></STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>PS--Advise you check the screen doors for f=
rozen kitties. You can fry 'em later. </STRONG><FONT f=
ace=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D412384819-10022004><FONT=
color=3D#800080> <STRONG><FONT face=3DArial>Yum yum!</FONT></STRO=
NG></FONT> <STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800080> <FONT color=3D#f=
f0000>I had a feeling you were gonna say that. But don't eat them til=20=
they're cooked (old Chinese recipe). Lisa No. 5 (I think she was the 5=
th Lisa, starting with Lisa Garber in nursery school) used to say "Yum, yum!=
" too. Seemed pretty weird at the time, but maybe that's what the=
y do in St. Louis, Louie.</FONT></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>PPS-- Uncle Vinnies?</STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D412384819-10022004> <STRONG><FO=
NT face=3DArial color=3D#000000> </FONT></STRONG> <FONT face=3DAr=
ial color=3D#800080><STRONG>You know the dudes - we had some in my old Brook=
lyn neighbourhood - got picked up in limos to go to work cuz good eye-tal-yu=
ns do that for one another. Sometimes, they're named Guido, but Joe Pe=
sci came to mind first. <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Dat was COUSIN Vinnie, and he=20=
(and that character) was what I thought of when you wrote "Uncle Vinnie."&nb=
sp; Which reminds me that in addition to my neighbor Ant'ny da Jew, I=20=
went to Hebrew School with one Vincent Caruso. There was also a kid na=
med Epstein, who was a big surfer in HS, and I think became an electrical co=
ntractor.</FONT></STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px sol=
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What is the form of the iron that is introduced into the brick - pebbles?
Was it already black, or does it oxidize to that color?
Are the fragments of iron only black on the outside (where they are exposed
to oxygen) or also on the inside?
Christopher
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">What is the form of the iron that is int=
roduced into the brick - pebbles?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Was it already black, or does it oxidize=
to that color?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Are the fragments of iron only black on=20=
the outside (where they are exposed to oxygen) or also on the inside?</FONT>=
</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Christopher</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:14:48 -0600
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He's against it. Just ask Mel.
-jc
On Feb 11, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Met History wrote:
> What is the form of the iron that is introduced into the brick -=20
> pebbles?
> Was it already black, or does it oxidize to that color?
> Are the fragments of iron only black on the outside (where they are=20
> exposed to oxygen) or also on the inside?
> =A0
> Christopher
> =A0
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He's against it. Just ask Mel.
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On Feb 11, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Met History wrote:
<excerpt><bigger>What is the form of the iron that is introduced into
the brick - pebbles?</bigger>
<bigger>Was it already black, or does it oxidize to that color?</bigger>
<bigger>Are the fragments of iron only black on the outside (where
they are exposed to oxygen) or also on the inside?</bigger>
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<bigger>Christopher</bigger>
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In a message dated 2/11/2004 3:44:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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PS What is the Pope's position on gay divorce?
Now THAT'S an interesting question.
Ralph
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Anyone here ever tried those new-age beds: Dux, Sleep Comfort, etc.?
Just a racket, or do they really do something wonderful?
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We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the=20
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believe it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is no=20=
worse than at any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long=20
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used when we were first married. Now THAT's a BED! Multimedia! Great=20=
acoustics!
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> Anyone here ever tried those new-age beds:=A0 Dux, Sleep Comfort, =
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We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the
direction of it being a great new age material. But, since I didn't
believe it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is
no worse than at any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long
time. That would make it better than the water bed or that old steel
spring and mattress that came with Mrs C's Grandmother's bed that we
used when we were first married. Now THAT's a BED! Multimedia!=20
Great acoustics!
-jc
On Feb 12, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Met History wrote:
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:47:07 -0500
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John - Does your foam breathe (as an open-cell foam would) or do you =
have to put a mattress cover on it that breathes? One of my big =
complaints about the aero bed we have for camping is that I need to have =
a pad on it of some sort to keep my contact points from sweating.=20
=20
Did you get that "memory foam" (Visco Elastic) made for the astronauts =
(as seen on TV!)? My main concern about that would be that it would form =
around me and "lock me in" to one position (of course maybe I wouldn't =
want to roll over so much if I was more comfortable).
=20
Chris - great question. I was wondering if there is anything to the =
Sleep Number product. Garrison Keiler will be here in Syracuse on =
Tuesday as part of a Syracuse University lecture series--maybe I can ask =
him some pointed questions (but not too sharp) about the Sleep Number =
Beds vs. Deep Valley Beds...
=20
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John =
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Subject: Re: [BP] historic preservation (of my spine)
We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the =
direction of it being a great new age material. But, since I didn't =
believe it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is no =
worse than at any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long time. =
That would make it better than the water bed or that old steel spring =
and mattress that came with Mrs C's Grandmother's bed that we used when =
we were first married. Now THAT's a BED! Multimedia! Great acoustics!=20
-jc=20
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Anyone here ever tried those new-age beds: Dux, Sleep Comfort, etc.? =20
Just a racket, or do they really do something wonderful?=20
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you get that "memory foam" (Visco Elastic) made for the astronauts =
(as seen=20
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Sleep Number=20
product. Garrison Keiler will be here in Syracuse on Tuesday as part of =
a=20
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Beds...</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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orifice, it`s=20
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</B>John=20
Callan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:27 =
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[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] =
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<P>We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the =
direction of it being a great new age material. But, since I didn't =
believe=20
it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is no worse =
than at=20
any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long time. That would =
make it=20
better than the water bed or that old steel spring and mattress that =
came with=20
Mrs C's Grandmother's bed that we used when we were first married. Now =
THAT's=20
a BED! Multimedia! Great acoustics! </P><BR>
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<P><FONT size=3D4>Just a racket, or do they really do something=20
wonderful?</FONT> </P>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:49:41 EST
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In a message dated 2/12/2004 6:47:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Chris - great question. I was wondering if there is anything to the Sleep
Number product. Garrison Keiler
Tried one in Providence. Felt dreamy. Might just be purchase-envy. That's
why I asked others. Christopher
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In a somewhat related vein...
=20
Back during the most recent war the media made mention of a software =
program to which you could subscribe for what I thought was a very =
reasonable fee (maybe $30 per month) that could get you access to a =
three-dimensional database that would allow you to "virtually fly into" =
almost any place on the earth. For instance you could zoom in on some =
"Maintreet USA" and swoop down at car-top level to have a look around. I =
may be exagerating to some degree but I had the impression it had =
something approaching that capability.
=20
I think it would be great to check out places to go hiking.
=20
I think it was something that used aerial photos to create 3-D images =
that could be manipulated. Does anyone remember this and know anyone who =
has used it. It's sorta like the photogrammetry technology only in a =
much grosser version.=20
=20
Our local weather people got ahold of this sort of thing and for a while =
they would fly us down under rain clouds. I thought it was a real =
gimmick and didn't contribute anything to the weather report but for a =
month or two everyone had to show it off just so they could say "see, =
we've got it too."=20
=20
Bruce (who likes maps and the weather)
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Subject: [BP] Why I sometimes Love my Job.
I'm at the UN today-
looking at some work and find myself in Hans Blix's Office
Great Satellite Photos of Bagdad and Iraq.....
--=20
J.A. Drew Diaz
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Subject: Re: historic preservation (of my spine)
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Its a "Performance II Latex Foam Mattress" by TalaTech International,=20
1-800-TalaTech. It has a cotton-like material covering and a nice blue=20=
edging all around. I never tried sleeping on it without sheets.
As for camping mattresses, go get yourself a self inflating sleeping=20
pad. Mine is a ThermaRest, but other outfits are making them now. =20
They are damned expensive, but you will never regret spending the=20
money. They keep you insulated from the ground, away from the damp and=20=
make sleeping on a gravel pit possible. Best damned money I ever spent=20=
on camping gear. I'm mightily partial to other pieces of gear, but=20
I'll never leave that pad behind.
-jc
On Feb 12, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> =A0
> John - Does your foam breathe (as an open-cell foam would) or do you=20=
> have to put a mattress cover on it that breathes?=A0One of my big=20
> complaints about the aero bed we have for camping is that I need to=20
> have a pad on it of some sort to keep my contact points from sweating.
> =A0
> Did you get that "memory foam" (Visco Elastic) made for the=A0astronauts=
=20
> (as seen on TV!)? My main concern about that would be that it would=20
> form around me and "lock me in" to one position (of course maybe I=20
> wouldn't want to roll over so much if I was more comfortable).
> =A0
> Chris - great question.=A0 I was wondering if there is anything to the=20=
> Sleep Number product. Garrison Keiler will be here in Syracuse on=20
> Tuesday as part of a Syracuse University lecture series--maybe I can=20=
> ask him some pointed questions (but not too sharp) about the Sleep=20
> Number Beds vs. Deep Valley Beds...
> =A0
> Hyper-Vasci-Motor Response to Tang
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John=20
> Callan
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:27 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] historic preservation (of my spine)
>
>
> We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the=20
> direction of it being a great new age material. But, since I didn't=20
> believe it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is no=20=
> worse than at any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long=20
> time. That would make it better than the water bed or that old steel=20=
> spring and mattress that came with Mrs C's Grandmother's bed that we=20=
> used when we were first married. Now THAT's a BED! Multimedia! Great=20=
> acoustics!
>
>
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Met History wrote:
>
>
>
> Anyone here ever tried those new-age beds:=A0 Dux, Sleep Comfort, =
etc.?=A0
>
>
> Just a racket, or do they really do something wonderful?
>
>
> Sincerely,=A0 Sleepless
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Its a "Performance II Latex Foam Mattress" by TalaTech International,
1-800-TalaTech. It has a cotton-like material covering and a nice
blue edging all around. I never tried sleeping on it without sheets.
As for camping mattresses, go get yourself a self inflating sleeping
pad. Mine is a ThermaRest, but other outfits are making them now.=20
They are damned expensive, but you will never regret spending the
money. They keep you insulated from the ground, away from the damp
and make sleeping on a gravel pit possible. Best damned money I ever
spent on camping gear. I'm mightily partial to other pieces of gear,
but I'll never leave that pad behind.
-jc
On Feb 12, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
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- Does your foam breathe (as an open-cell foam would) or do you have
to put a mattress cover on it that breathes?=A0One of my big complaints
about the aero bed we have for camping is that I need to have a pad on
it of some sort to keep my contact points from =
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you get that "memory foam" (Visco Elastic) made for the=A0astronauts (as
seen on TV!)? My main concern about that would be that it would form
around me and "lock me in" to one position (of course maybe I wouldn't
want to roll over so much if I was more =
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- great question.=A0 I was wondering if there is anything to the Sleep
Number product. Garrison Keiler will be here in Syracuse on Tuesday as
part of a Syracuse University lecture series--maybe I can ask him some
pointed questions (but not too sharp) about the Sleep Number Beds vs.
Deep Valley =
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We have one of them new foam mattresses. The sales pitch was in the
direction of it being a great new age material. But, since I didn't
believe it, I also didn't bother to remember much of it. My back is no
worse than at any other time. Hmmmm! It hasn't gone out in a long
time. That would make it better than the water bed or that old steel
spring and mattress that came with Mrs C's Grandmother's bed that we
used when we were first married. Now THAT's a BED! Multimedia! Great
acoustics!
-jc
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Dux, Sleep Comfort, etc.?=A0</x-tad-bigger></bigger></excerpt><excerpt>=20=
<bigger><x-tad-bigger>Just a racket, or do they really do something
wonderful?</x-tad-bigger></bigger></excerpt><excerpt>=20
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Tried one in Providence. Felt dreamy. Might just be purchase-envy. That's
why I asked others. Christopher
So was this trial in Providence for 5 minutes, or the whole night? Would you
kindly elaborate on "dreamy," since you seem to be the only Pinhead who has in
fact tried the new sleep sensation?
I promise we won't make fun of you and Mrs. Chris for going at it like minks,
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Bruce (who likes maps and the weather)
You can have my lifetime supply of bad weather. Won't even ask for anything
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Bruce (who likes maps and the weather)
You can have my lifetime supply of bad weather. Won't even ask for anything
extra in your dues.
I like maps, too.
Ralph
PS-- In case you see Blix, Drew, thank him. Or you could just leave a
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As for camping mattresses, go get yourself a self inflating sleeping
pad. Mine is a ThermaRest, but other outfits are making them now.
They are damned expensive, but you will never regret spending the
money
no I didn't regret spending the money. i just regretted carrying it with me
through the pyrenees. next time i'm not even taking food. c
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In a message dated 2/12/2004 7:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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So was this trial in Providence for 5 minutes, or the whole night?
A gentleman never tells. If I find one, I'll tell him.
What about mink birth control? Is that OK with the Pope?
sign me, Ya want a wafuh wid dat?
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Met History wrote:
> What is the form of the iron that is introduced into the brick - pebbles?
> Was it already black, or does it oxidize to that color?
> Are the fragments of iron only black on the outside (where they are
> exposed to oxygen) or also on the inside?
>
> Christopher
>
> PS What is the Pope's position on gay divorce?
Good questions... and as can be expected only non-answers here about the
Pope's disposition.
I remember once reading in a Karl Jung book that the Pope is inspected
to make sure he is not a neuter.
They had to worry that early Pope's might be terrorist infiltrators from
the odder sects. (pun intended)
One of the names associated with his LONG title indicates that he has
been so inspected and found adequate.
So you can rest assured on at least one question -- the Pope comes fully
equiped.
Absolute answers to the iron spots in brick I do not have, but
conjecture yes... will seek confirmation.
Iron specks in brick is smaller than pebbles. If they were too much
larger there could be thermal problems in firing I assume -- distortion
of shape most likely.
It would make sense that there is an optimal proportion between size of
iron particle and surrounding clay mass.
Pebbles of iron would be something of a waste. I've not seen dating of
iron spot brick as in "early" iron spot and "late" iron spot... though
there has to be a chronology of technical experimentation and refinement.
I believe that it may or may not have been black... iron tends to
oxidize readily and it would have oxidized prior to mixing in the clay.
When is iron black?
What color is a chunk of iron on the inside?
In brick these are very small traces and it is not to clear to me what
there is of the "inside" to call anything the inside in a practical sense.
We are probably talking microscopic insides here... I mean, really small.
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John Callan wrote:
> As for camping mattresses, go get yourself a self inflating sleeping
> pad. Mine is a ThermaRest
For highly portable sleeping accomodations I love my ThermaRest.
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> I'm at the UN today-
> looking at some work and find myself in Hans Blix's Office
> Great Satellite Photos of Bagdad and Iraq.....
Were there any push pins and/or the little red flag pins stuck in the map?
Was it covered with Post-It Notes?
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no flags no pins-
maybe the flagged ones were under wraps-
or maybe they are of the opinion that there are no spots to flag...
Also notice that he and his 2nd in command are also working off of
pre-bombing maps
his aide walked me through the aerials of the UN compound pre-truck
bombing, the route and the corner of the building blown up-
met a woman who looked like she lost a fight w/ a panther who was there
for the bombing....
beautiful woman who must have taken at least 100 stitches in her face we
could use her for advertising @ our product-..
other things I noticed-
the guard @ the street entrance while unarmed was maybe the biggest
human I've ever been near, had hands like some kind of gag gloves- and
my HS orthopedic md was the NY Nets doctor, used to go to the stadium to
have my knee drained and shot-up and I was once on an elevator with
Willis Reed who is supposed to have been 6'10...
4 or 5 armed guard backing him up about 20 meters away
all the statuary N & E of the main building isnow out of bounds- I think
that they should stop cutting the grass there....
The blazer I had on yesterday has a US flag lapel pin- a pretty
ubiquitous item these past several yrs. that was the only US flag I saw
and the only flag lapel pin I saw as well....
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> [log in to unmask] wrote:
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>> I'm at the UN today-
>> looking at some work and find myself in Hans Blix's Office
>> Great Satellite Photos of Bagdad and Iraq.....
>
>
> Were there any push pins and/or the little red flag pins stuck in the
> map?
> Was it covered with Post-It Notes?
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<font face="Arial">no flags no pins-<br>
maybe the flagged ones were under wraps-<br>
or maybe they are of the opinion that there are no spots to flag...<br>
Also notice that he and his 2nd in command are also working off of
pre-bombing maps<br>
his aide walked me through the aerials of the UN compound pre-truck
bombing, the route and the corner of the building blown up-<br>
met a woman who looked like she lost a fight w/ a panther who was there
for the bombing....<br>
beautiful woman who must have taken at least 100 stitches in her face
we could use her for advertising @ our product-..<br>
<br>
other things I noticed-<br>
the guard @ the street entrance while unarmed was maybe the biggest
human I've ever been near, had hands like some kind of gag gloves- and
my HS orthopedic md was the NY Nets doctor, used to go to the stadium
to have my knee drained and shot-up and I was once on an elevator with
Willis Reed who is supposed to have been 6'10...<br>
4 or 5 armed guard backing him up about 20 meters away<br>
all the statuary N & E of the main building isnow out of bounds- I
think that they should stop cutting the grass there....<br>
The blazer I had on yesterday has a US flag lapel pin- a pretty
ubiquitous item these past several yrs. that was the only US flag I saw
and the only flag lapel pin I saw as well....</font><br>
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looking at some work and find myself in Hans Blix's Office
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Great Satellite Photos of Bagdad and Iraq.....
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Were there any push pins and/or the little red flag pins stuck in the
map?
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Was it covered with Post-It Notes?
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Bruce Marcham wrote:
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> One of my big complaints about the aero bed we have for camping is
> that I need to have a pad on it of some sort to keep my contact points
> from sweating.
>
>
An Aero Bed for Camping???
You plug it in next to the DVD player???
> nyone here ever tried those new-age beds: Dux, Sleep Comfort, etc.?
>
> Just a racket, or do they really do something wonderful?
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> Sincerely, Sleepless
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In a message dated 2/13/2004, [log in to unmask] writes:
An Aero Bed for Camping??? You plug it in next to the DVD player???
Actually, you run it in series, with the refrigerator, hot water heater and
laptop recharger.
Yr Obdnt Svnt, No Wonder I Have Back Pain
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An Aero Bed for Camping???
You plug it in next to the DVD player???
Don't forget his espresso machine.
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The state of Maine recently made the following mapping sites available:
http://musashi.ogis.state.me.us/catalog/catalog.asp
http://megisims.state.me.us/website/orthomap/viewer.htm
It takes half an hour to figure out how they work, but they are Absolutely
Amazing!
There is an area of greater Portland and the surrounding towns with
high-res arial photos in color. There is no "fly-by", but there is a
measuring function. I can accurately measure the size of my roof, and any
one elses for that
matter, plus or minus four inches, compared to on-the-ground tape
measurment! I could almost trust this for take-offs on roof work. I can
measure how much fire wood I had stacked up the year they
took the photo. I can see the groundleaders of my downspouts slanting
across the lawn, and little piles of tree seeds that wash through the
downspout and accumulate at the end of the groundleaders. I can see all the
features of my roof, just shy of the individual shingles, but including
valleys, flashing over the bay, chimney, shadows that indicate the 4"
diameter and 2" diameter x 8" tall stack vents! I just took a look my
buddy's house down the street,
I think he needs to clean out his gutters! Too--oooo much!
Wait a minute. Is that a terriorist hiding behind my woodpile?
John
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Subject: Polka, Dot?
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(cross posted by Christopher from Preservation-L) [or, is it
Preservation-Hell?]
The iron spot is not introduced. It is a component of the clay from which
the brick is produced. The firing process brings out the color, and it is
normally darker on a darker (longer fired) brick. The metallic component that
contributes the black spots is reported as Iron Pyrite, or sometimes as Manganese.
I am not sure which is right, possibly both. Pyrites are sulfurous, gold in
color, and Iron Pyrite is also known as "fool's gold." No relation to your
problem, I presume.
Since the black spots are a natural component of the clay, they are
consistent within the mixture and occur throughout the brick.
Robert Parker Adams, Architect
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<DIV>The iron spot is not introduced. It is a component of the clay fr=
om which the brick is produced. The firing process brings out the colo=
r, and it is normally darker on a darker (longer fired) brick. The met=
allic component that contributes the black spots is reported as Iron Pyrite,=
or sometimes as Manganese. I am not sure which is right, possibly bot=
h. Pyrites are sulfurous, gold in color, and Iron Pyrite is also known as "f=
ool's gold." No relation to your problem, I presume.</DIV>
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<DIV>Since the black spots are a natural component of the clay, they ar=
e consistent within the mixture and occur throughout the brick.</DIV>
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<DIV>Robert Parker Adams, Architect</DIV>
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Hey, you burly restorationists out there on the swing stage on the Minnesota
state capitol, trading dirty jokes with the French guys, with your steel-plate
work gloves on -- what do you use for cell phones? The phones I see all have
tiny buttons - much too small for my stubby fingers - and tiny displays.
Has anyone ever found a bigger cell phone, rather than a smaller one?
Christopher
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yeah i have a drawer in the basement full of them-
it's not your fingers it's your eyes
Met History wrote:
> Hey, you burly restorationists out there on the swing stage on the
> Minnesota state capitol, trading dirty jokes with the French guys,
> with your steel-plate work gloves on -- what do you use for cell
> phones? The phones I see all have tiny buttons - much too small for
> my stubby fingers - and tiny displays.
>
> Has anyone ever found a bigger cell phone, rather than a smaller one?
>
> Christopher
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yeah i have a drawer in the basement full of them-<br>
it's not your fingers it's your eyes<br>
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Hands free & voice recognition.
It also helps that them big burly Minnersoter farm boys don't talk=20
much...you know?
-jc
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Hands free & voice recognition.
It also helps that them big burly Minnersoter farm boys don't talk
much...you know?
-jc
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stage on the Minnesota state capitol, trading dirty jokes with the
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Is there a better way to undo welded white metal than just using an iron
mallet?
There's an old washing machine thrown out on the sidewalk. A local
Cornell-educated graffiti artist, DeLaVega, has done some of his trademark drawing on
the side - a fish outside a goldfish bowl with the legend "Become your dream".
I want to salvage this side panel but it is attached to the other panels by
what I have always called "spot welding". Is there a technique more
sophisticated than brute force to separate the panel?
Oh, yeah, and, thanks for the flood of info about iron spot brick.
Christopher
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e your dream".</DIV>
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s by what I have always called "spot welding". Is there a t=
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In a message dated 2/13/2004 7:04:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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It also helps that them big burly Minnersoter farm boys don't talk
much...you know?
Not much to say.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/13/2004 9:32:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Is there a technique more sophisticated than brute force to separate the
panel?
Tin snips, but that would probably be too slow. Sawzall, but that would
probably make a mess of the sheetmetal you're trying to save, and you might
electrocute one of your neighbors. Or yourself.
On second thought, I think your best bet is tin snips, which I think are
called aircraft snips these days (or maybe aircraft shears; in any case, they are
[?] made by Wyss and have red, or yellow, or green plastic handles depending
on whether they are left- or right-hand cut, or neutral, and look more like
12" long Snippy Scissors than like a huge set of Captain Kangaroo Safety
Scissors). Do your cutting as far away from the area you want to save as possible, so
that your raggedy (and sharp as hell) edges can be neatened up later.
Cutting enameled steel may well be very difficult, and may shatter the enamel. Do
some test cutting on a side other than the one you want to save, to see what
works best, or least worst. If the holy relic is on one side rather then the
front, and if the side and rear panels are separate but screwed together, you
can probably save yourself some cutting by taking out the screws along the
joint.
Then again, if you have a sawzall (and don't all NYC Condo dwellers have
their own?) give it a shot, too.
I think you're going to be in for a couple of pretty unpleasant hours' worth
of work, though. I'd do it Saturday, rather than Sunday when the weather is
supposed to go to hell again. Bring a spackle bucket full of tools
(screwdrivers, hammers, wonder bar, etc) and another bucket to sit on.
We look forward to the report on your art conservation project.
Ralph
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slow. Sawzall, but that would probably make a mess of the sheetmetal=20=
you're trying to save, and you might electrocute one of your neighbors. =
; Or yourself.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>On second thought, I think your best bet=20=
is tin snips, which I think are called aircraft snips these days (or ma=
ybe aircraft shears; in any case, they are [?] made by Wyss &=
nbsp;and have red, or yellow, or green plastic handles depending on whether=20=
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ll) edges can be neatened up later. Cutting enameled steel may well be=
very difficult, and may shatter the enamel. Do some test cutting =
;on a side other than the one you want to save, to see what works best, or&n=
bsp; least worst. If the holy relic is on one side rather th=
en the front, and if the side and rear panels are separate but screwed toget=
her, you can probably save yourself some cutting by taking out the scre=
ws along the joint.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Then again, if you have a sawzall (and do=
n't all NYC Condo dwellers have their own?) give it a shot, too.</FONT></STR=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>I think you're going to be in for a coupl=
e of pretty unpleasant hours' worth of work, though.</FONT></STRONG> <S=
TRONG><FONT color=3D#400040> I'd do it Saturday, rather than Sunday wh=
en the weather is supposed to go to hell again. Bring a spackle bucket=
full of tools (screwdrivers, hammers, wonder bar, etc) and another bucket t=
o sit on.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>We look forward to the report on your art=
conservation project.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT color=3D#40=
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Met History wrote:
> Is there a better way to undo welded white metal than just using an
> iron mallet?
Use a metal grinder. Wear goggles & leather gloves.
Don't set yourself on fire.
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Met History wrote:
> (cross posted by Christopher from Preservation-L) [or, is it
> Preservation-Hell?]
>
> The iron spot is not introduced. It is a component of the clay from
> which the brick is produced. The firing process brings out the color,
> and it is normally darker on a darker (longer fired) brick. The
> metallic component that contributes the black spots is reported as
> Iron Pyrite, or sometimes as Manganese. I am not sure which is right,
> possibly both. Pyrites are sulfurous, gold in color, and Iron Pyrite
> is also known as "fool's gold." No relation to your problem, I presume.
>
> Since the black spots are a natural component of the clay, they are
> consistent within the mixture and occur throughout the brick.
>
> Robert Parker Adams, Architect
> ([log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>)
Not so sure I agree with the "not introduced" aspect... natural
formations would be erratic thus not always consistent in a run of brick.
If not introduced... then a geological question as in how come only iron
spots occur and say no quartz or other pebbles?
Iron spot brick tends to date to an era of industrialized brick
manufacture, thus mechanization of the process and a mind-set elevating
consistency.
I'm also not so sure pyrite is the culpret. I know damned well what
pyrite is. Iron is highly prevalent and available.
You don't see the brick so much so often any more... did they run out of
iron spotty clay?
Clay, with or without the measles, comes out of a hole in the ground and
should be able to be traced to point of origin.
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I am so glad you want to save this art. I think the so called graffiti is
just beautiful. These folks are so talented I can't understand why the
rush to get rid of it? I just don't understand the minds of city folk.
Ruth
At 9:32 PM -0500 2/13/04, Met History wrote:
Is there a better way to undo welded white metal than just using an iron
mallet?
There's an old washing machine thrown out on the sidewalk. A local
Cornell-educated graffiti artist, DeLaVega, has done some of his trademark
drawing on the side - a fish outside a goldfish bowl with the legend
"Become your dream".
I want to salvage this side panel but it is attached to the other panels by
what I have always called "spot welding". Is there a technique more
sophisticated than brute force to separate the panel?
Oh, yeah, and, thanks for the flood of info about iron spot brick.
Christopher
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Body shops use spot weld drills to separate spot welds. It looks like a
small hole saw, just slightly bigger than the spot weld. To use it you
drill, theoretically, just through the top layer of metal which frees it
from the lower level. Any body shop supply place should have them
. . . or mail order from Eastwood, TIP, etc.
Hope this helps,
Burgess
Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
> Met History wrote:
>
>> Is there a better way to undo welded white metal than just using an
>> iron mallet?
>
>
> Use a metal grinder. Wear goggles & leather gloves.
> Don't set yourself on fire.
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In a message dated 2/14/2004 4:08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Not so sure I agree with the "not introduced" aspect... natural
formations would be erratic thus not always consistent in a run of brick.
If not introduced... then a geological question as in how come only iron
spots occur and say no quartz or other pebbles?
Iron spot brick tends to date to an era of industrialized brick
manufacture, thus mechanization of the process and a mind-set elevating
consistency.
I'm also not so sure pyrite is the culpret. I know damned well what
pyrite is. Iron is highly prevalent and available.
You don't see the brick so much so often any more... did they run out of
iron spotty clay?
Clay, with or without the measles, comes out of a hole in the ground and
should be able to be traced to point of origin.
I should think that the iron spots are the results of mixing iron filings, or
maybe teeny-weeny bits of iron filings, into the clay.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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n spot brick tends to date to an era of industrialized brick<BR>manufacture,=
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BR>I'm also not so sure pyrite is the culpret. I know damned well what<BR>py=
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So, who wants iron in their brick anyway? Do you want somebody to come
along with a big magnet and steal your building in the middle of the night?
Ruth
At 10:56 AM -0500 2/14/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/2004 4:08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Not so sure I agree with the "not introduced" aspect... natural
formations would be erratic thus not always consistent in a run of brick.
If not introduced... then a geological question as in how come only iron
spots occur and say no quartz or other pebbles?
Iron spot brick tends to date to an era of industrialized brick
manufacture, thus mechanization of the process and a mind-set elevating
consistency.
I'm also not so sure pyrite is the culpret. I know damned well what
pyrite is. Iron is highly prevalent and available.
You don't see the brick so much so often any more... did they run out of
iron spotty clay?
Clay, with or without the measles, comes out of a hole in the ground and
should be able to be traced to point of origin.
I should think that the iron spots are the results of mixing iron filings,
or maybe teeny-weeny bits of iron filings, into the clay.
Ralph
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Where is Badger Mountain Motorworks? I gather it is a bodyshop? Ruth
At 7:31 AM -0700 2/14/04, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
>Body shops use spot weld drills to separate spot welds. It looks like a
>small hole saw, just slightly bigger than the spot weld. To use it you
>drill, theoretically, just through the top layer of metal which frees it
>from the lower level. Any body shop supply place should have them
>. . . or mail order from Eastwood, TIP, etc.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Burgess
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In a message dated 2/14/2004 2:27:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
So, who wants iron in their brick anyway? Do you want somebody to come
along with a big magnet and steal your building in the middle of the night?
Ruth
Ruth,
People who want iron spot brick like little speckles (iron spots in brick are
about the size of a bit of black pepper, or a fly "speck") in things, when
you look REAL close. There aren't enough iron spots in a brick to allow you to
pick up an iron-spot brick with a magnet, and you probably couldn't get a
magnet to stick to an iron spot, either. So, even if wanted someone to do so, the
chances of some miscreant using a magnet to steal an iron-spot brick building
are in the pretty slim range, even at night, and even in New York.
Back in the olden days in Joisey City, my associates and I were renovating an
apt building in our neighborhood, and came in one morning to find that all
the new copper pipe we had installed had all been cut out and stolen for scrap.
After that we used PVC, which has no scrap value. Copper and brass bring
substantially more when sold as scrap than steel or iron, so don't figure on
getting much for Chris' new artwork/washing machine panel when you finally come
down to see us in New York and walk by his house with a magnet.
However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been carefully
disassembled and stored for later reconstruction, but was stolen for scrap metal and
never seen again, at least not in the same configuration. It would be nice to
think that the original iron may have reappeared in the form of steel in the
new building that had to be designed for the same site, to mimic the original
CI one.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>So, who wants iron in their brick anyway? =
; Do you want somebody to come<BR>along with a big magnet and steal your bui=
lding in the middle of the night?<BR>Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>People who want iron spot brick like=
little speckles (iron spots in brick are about the size of a bit of black&n=
bsp;pepper, or a fly "speck") in things, when you look REAL close. =
; There aren't enough iron spots in a brick to allow you to pick up an=20=
iron-spot brick with a magnet, and you probably couldn't get a magnet to sti=
ck to an iron spot, either. So, even if wanted someone to do so,=20=
the chances of some miscreant using a magnet to steal an iron-spot brick bui=
lding are in the pretty slim range, even at night, and even in New York.&nbs=
p; </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Back in the olden days in Joisey City, my=
associates and I were renovating an apt building in our neighborhood,=20=
and came in one morning to find that all the new copper pipe we had installe=
d had all been cut out and stolen for scrap. After that we used PVC, w=
hich has no scrap value. Copper and brass bring substantially&nbs=
p;more when sold as scrap than steel or iron, so don't figure on getting muc=
h for Chris' new artwork/washing machine panel when you finally come down to=
see us in New York and walk by his house with a magnet.</FONT></STRONG></DI=
V>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT color=3D#40=
0040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>However, there was a famous case probably=
30-35 years ago, in which a cast-iron building down at the S=
outh Street Seaport in NY had been carefully disassembled and stored f=
or later reconstruction, but was stolen for scrap metal and never seen again=
, at least not in the same configuration. It would be nice to think th=
at the original iron may have reappeared in the form of steel in the ne=
w building that had to be designed for the same site, to mimic the orig=
inal CI one. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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You have gathered correctly . . . although not in the common
sense of the term "bodyshop". Badger Mountain Motorworks is an
imaginary little business situated in central Arizona amongst the
juniper-pinon forest. This imaginary business is contained in a real
log sided garage where real boys in their early declining years
congregate to drink cold sudsy adult beverages, solve the world's
problems and, on rare occasions, turn a wrench or two in all too often
futile attempts to slightly move one of many innumerable projects a bit
closer towards completion. And then a new day dawns and the cycle
repeats with only minor interruptions for the mandatory requirements of
a continued existence.
Thanks for asking!
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>Where is Badger Mountain Motorworks? I gather it is a bodyshop? Ruth
>
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Drill out the spot weld with a twist bit. This sort of controlled cut
limits the area of damage, but may not work if the welding left the metal
hardened, in which case use a hole saw slightly larger than the hardened
area, or a detail grinder or die grinder with a pointed stone.
If the welds are in an area covered with the art you want to save, work
from the back, rip away to your hearts content with any sort of
snips & tools. Shift to grinding as you get closer to the art would be more
controlled with less potential damage or distortion of the art surface than
tin
snips, etc.
Be sure to protect adjacent surfaces with wax coated screening, which I
presume you have in abundant supply.
JOhn
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This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON building??? Only in
NYC!!!!! Ruth
At 4:10 PM -0500 2/14/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been
carefully disassembled and stored for later reconstruction, but was stolen
for scrap metal and never seen again, at least not in the same
configuration. It would be nice to think that the original iron may have
reappeared in the form of steel in the new building that had to be designed
for the same site, to mimic the original CI one.
Ralph
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> *However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
> cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been
> carefully disassembled and stored for later reconstruction, but was
> stolen for scrap metal and never seen again, at least not in the same
> configuration. It would be nice to think that the original iron may
> have reappeared in the form of steel in the new building that had
> to be designed for the same site, to mimic the original CI one.
> *
The Case of the Missing Cast Iron Facade
It all got carted out to the unHamptons & Gab & Eti, with directions
from Altuna, have been busy hammering it into side panels for their
prototype UFO.
Cast iron when hammered is really hard to work with. So I told them to
lay off the ale.
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Ruth Barton wrote:
>This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON building??? Only in
>NYC!!!!! Ruth
>
I think you might find them in Cuba and Kentucky also.
Here we go again... Vermont has no Blues and no CI bldgs?
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In a message dated 2/15/04 8:46:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
> cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been
> carefully disassembled and stored for later reconstruction
Then there was the other cast iron facade, salvaged from WorthStreet in the
1960's. Around 1990 I contacted the Landmarks Commission and it took them
weeks to find it.
June 10, 1990, Sunday, Late Edition - Final
HEADLINE: Streetscapes: Facades in Storage;
Links to the Cast-Iron Era Await Reconstruction
BYLINE: By CHRISTOPHER GRAY
BODY:
THE Landmarks Preservation Commission's Architectural Salvage Warehouse
reopened last month at 337 Cherry Street in Brooklyn with hundreds of salvaged
mantels, doors, windows and other items meant principally for home renovation.
But the commission's biggest item, in an undisclosed open lot, would scare off
even the most dedicated old-house nut: two full cast-iron facades, each 39
feet
wide and six stories high.
Built in 1870 at 31 and 35 Thomas Street, the facades were the last parts
of
a group of 16 buildings, almost a whole block, whose destruction was one of
the
bitterest preservation defeats before the landmarks law was adopted in 1965.
The blocks bounded by Worth, Duane and Church Streets and Broadway had been
occupied by New York Hospital since the 1770's (what became Thomas Street was
originally a driveway to the spacious grounds and freestanding hospital
pavilions). But Manhattan grew up around the shady enclave, bringing increases
in the number of indigent patients. In 1869, the hospital rejected a move to
the
present site of Columbia University after protests that it was deserting its
responsibility to the poor of lower Manhattan, and it relocated to West 15th
Street.
Partly because it anticipated high condemnation awards when Thomas Street
was
opened, the hospital decided to lease, not sell, its downtown property and
most
of the block between the future Thomas and Worth Streets was leased to an
organization of textile merchants, the New York Real Estate Association, which
retained the architect Griffith Thomas to design a block of 14
cast-iron-fronted
loft buildings, 58-84 Worth Street and 11-37 Thomas Street, at a cost of
$700,000.
A related partnership built two similar buildings at 54 Worth and 39
Thomas,
forming the blockfront on Church Street. Although these were designed by
William
Field, all 16 buildings were similar and may indeed have been largely designed
by the iron contractor, Daniel Badger.
LIKE other cast-iron buildings, they were designed in a nominal imitation
of
stone with quoining, Doric columns, bracketed cornices and roof ballustrades.
But the vast scale - 310 feet by 200 feet - made it one of the period's
notable
projects.
A fire in 1879 destroyed or damaged six of the buildings, but the architect
Jarvis Morgan Slade restored the damaged facades and the block remained in
service as a center of the textile trade through the 1950's.
In 1962, a new owner, the Cannon Foundation, established by Cannon Mills,
began demolishing half the block, prompting protest. Under the heading
''Goodbye
Worth Street: A New York Tragedy,'' Ada Louise Huxtable in The New York Times
protested, saying the block had become ''an esoteric point of pilgrimage'' for
European architects.
But all of the Worth-Thomas Street block was not yet lost; three buildings
remained more or less intact, 31 and 35 Thomas Street and 58 Worth Street. By
then, 1967, the landmarks law was in effect and the commission held a hearing
on
58 Worth.
The New York Telephone Company had acquired all 16 plots for a switching
station 550 feet high. It needed a variance for its floor area, 3,049 square
feet per floor. As part of the variance agreement, the company offered to pay
for dismantling the facades and giving them to the Landmarks Commission for
storage and eventual reuse.
In 1968, Cast Iron Pipe News wrote ''some day, perhaps, when New York - a
city now of flat-faced, sky-poking steel and glass boxes -decides to take
another look at its architectural past, these facades will be put together
again.''
The facades have sat for 32 years, more or less forgotten, although 58
Worth
Street was given 10 years ago to the New York State Museum in Albany, which is
still trying to raise funds to re-erect it. Over the same period, the facades
of
the Laing Stores, designed by James Bogardus and also stored by the commission
for re-erection, were stolen and sold for scrap.
Three weeks after a recent inquiry to the commission about the Thomas-Worth
Street facades, its response was that it had never received any such facade,
but
repeated queries ultimately led to information on their whereabouts.
The commission has asked that the storage site not be disclosed and for
good
reason - it is a large open lot in an industrial area - fenced, but with easy
access.
The commission has only a partial inventory of the remaining pieces: About
40
are in a neat pile, others are in a jumble of mud, plants and broken elements.
But it appears that most of the two remaining facades are still there, worth
perhaps a few thousand dollars at present scrap rates. They await either an
industrious thief or the owner of a vacant lot in some historic district
looking
for the ultimate in sympathetic infill.
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<DIV>  =
; June 10, 1990, Sunday, Late Edition -=20=
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ra Await Reconstruction</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>BYLINE: By CHRISTOPHER GRAY </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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d-house nut: two full cast-iron facades, each 39 feet<BR>wide and six storie=
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Broadway had been<BR>occupied by New York Hospital since the 1770's (what be=
came Thomas Street was<BR>originally a driveway to the spacious grounds and=20=
freestanding hospital<BR>pavilions). But Manhattan grew up around the shady=20=
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three buildings<BR>remained more or less intact, 31 and 35 Thomas Street an=
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commission held a hearing on<BR>58 Worth.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> The New York Telephone Company had acquired all 16 plots f=
or a switching<BR>station 550 feet high. It needed a variance for its floor=20=
area, 3,049 square<BR>feet per floor. As part of the variance agreement, the=
company offered to pay<BR>for dismantling the facades and giving them to th=
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<DIV> In 1968, Cast Iron Pipe News wrote ''some day, perhaps, wh=
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although 58 Worth<BR>Street was given 10 years ago to the New York State Mu=
seum in Albany, which is<BR>still trying to raise funds to re-erect it. Over=
the same period, the facades of<BR>the Laing Stores, designed by James Boga=
rdus and also stored by the commission<BR>for re-erection, were stolen and s=
old for scrap.</DIV>
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ants and broken elements.<BR>But it appears that most of the two remaining f=
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Jim, Sounds sorta like the local General Store with wrenches. Ruth
At 4:32 PM -0700 2/14/04, Badger Mountain Motorworks wrote:
>You have gathered correctly . . . although not in the common
>sense of the term "bodyshop". Badger Mountain Motorworks is an
>imaginary little business situated in central Arizona amongst the
>juniper-pinon forest. This imaginary business is contained in a real
>log sided garage where real boys in their early declining years
>congregate to drink cold sudsy adult beverages, solve the world's
>problems and, on rare occasions, turn a wrench or two in all too often
>futile attempts to slightly move one of many innumerable projects a bit
>closer towards completion. And then a new day dawns and the cycle
>repeats with only minor interruptions for the mandatory requirements of
>a continued existence.
>
>Thanks for asking!
>
>Jim Burgess
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>Prescott, Arizona
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Wow, that is interesting!!!! Are there any cast iron buildings left
standing, in use, in the city? Maybe I should buy the one that is rusting
in the vacant lot, bring it up here and erect it. Now that would surely
put Dummerston on the map!!!!! Ruth
At 8:52 AM -0500 2/15/04, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 2/15/04 8:46:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
> cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been
> carefully disassembled and stored for later reconstruction
Then there was the other cast iron facade, salvaged from WorthStreet in the
1960's. Around 1990 I contacted the Landmarks Commission and it took them
weeks to find it.
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In a message dated 2/14/2004 10:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON building??? Only in
NYC!!!!! Ruth
Not in the least "only in New York." There were -- and are-- cast iron
buildings all over...the world. And lots of 'em in New York.
At least, I'm pretty sure there were CI buildings all over the world, since
they were prefabricated in (relatively) small parts and thus easy to ship. I
know they had them all over the US, including some in SF that must've been
shipped around The Horn in the 1850's, so I should think they were shipped to New
Zealand, Australia and all sorts of other places (Hawaii, I think, too)
starting in the 1850's. Probably even... Vermont!!
Margot Gayle (High Priestess of The Friends of Cast Iron Architecture) could
tell us, if she was a Pinhead, but I think she has become a Deceased Member of
the Community, too. If not, my apologies to her, and best wishes for another
95 years. Or another 195.
Ralph
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OVER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON=
building??? Only in<BR>NYC!!!!! Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Not in the least "only in New York." =
; There were -- and are-- cast iron buildings all over...the world. &nb=
sp; And lots of 'em in New York.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>At least, I'm pretty sure there were CI b=
uildings all over the world, since they were prefabricated in (relatively) s=
mall parts and thus easy to ship. I know they had them all over t=
he US, including some in SF that must've been shipped around The Horn in the=
1850's, so I should think they were shipped to New Zealand, Australia and a=
ll sorts of other places (Hawaii, I think, too) starting in the 1850's. =
; Probably even... Vermont!!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Margot Gayle (High Priestess of The Frien=
ds of Cast Iron Architecture) could tell us, if she was a Pinhead, but I thi=
nk she has become a Deceased Member of the Community, too. If not, my=20=
apologies to her, and best wishes for another 95 years. Or another 195.</FON=
T></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Chriftopher,
Nice piece. Wonder how many pieces are left.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Nice piece. Wonder how many pieces=20=
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In a message dated 2/15/2004 8:54:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Jim, Sounds sorta like the local General Store with wrenches. Ruth
Ruth,
Wouldn't all good general stores have wrenches?
City Slicker
PS-- Prescott is beautiful, just like he says. But when you go there, be
sure to pronounce it as "PRESS-kit," or they'll know you're a snow bird.
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2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Jim, Sounds sorta like the local General=
Store with wrenches. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Wouldn't all good general stores have wre=
nches?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>City Slicker</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>PS-- Prescott is beautiful, just like he=20=
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it," or they'll know you're a snow bird.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BO=
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In a message dated 2/15/2004 9:07:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Wow, that is interesting!!!! Are there any cast iron buildings left
standing, in use, in the city? Maybe I should buy the one that is rusting
in the vacant lot, bring it up here and erect it. Now that would surely
put Dummerston on the map!!!!! Ruth
There are lots of them. When you come down to get your building, let us
know, and we'll all bring our folding chairs and help supervise.
Ralph
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2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Wow, that is interesting!!!! Are there a=
ny cast iron buildings left<BR>standing, in use, in the city? Maybe I=20=
should buy the one that is rusting<BR>in the vacant lot, bring it up here an=
d erect it. Now that would surely<BR>put Dummerston on the map!!!!!&nb=
sp; Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>There are lots of them. When you co=
me down to get your building, let us know, and we'll all bring our fold=
ing chairs and help supervise.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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> In a message dated 2/14/2004 10:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON building??? Only in
> NYC!!!!! Ruth
>
> *Not in the least "only in New York." There were -- and are-- cast
> iron buildings all over...the world. And lots of 'em in New York.*
> **
> *At least, I'm pretty sure there were CI buildings all over the world,
> since they were prefabricated in (relatively) small parts and thus
> easy to ship. I know they had them all over the US, including some in
> SF that must've been shipped around The Horn in the 1850's, so I
> should think they were shipped to New Zealand, Australia and all sorts
> of other places (Hawaii, I think, too) starting in the 1850's.
> Probably even... Vermont!!*
> **
> *Margot Gayle *
/Cast-Iron Architecture in America, The Significance of James Bogardus/,
Margot Gayle and Carol Gayle, W.W. Norton & Co., NY, 1998. ISBN
0-393-73015-8. Includes bibliographical references and index. 272 p
My first encounter with skeleton structures was a plastic building set
consisting of interlocking beams, columns, and very thin infill
patterns. The concept of modular construction is one that many of us
have been raised with, whereas at one time the idea of building with
interchangeable lightweight metal units, sized to fit together in a
variety of patterns, was a wholly new revelation. Understanding where
this link occurs, manifested in the built environment by practical
necessity, connects the modernity of International Style into the
historic preservation movement.
Several years ago I found myself involved in the business of repainting
cast-iron facades in the Soho Cast Iron District in New York City and
became intrigued to know more of the history of cast-iron architecture.
Until I received this book, which I ordered from Amazon.com, I had to
remain satisfied with a crude photocopy of an article by James Marston
Fitch describing the mystery of the Laing Stores. The façade of the
Laing Stores (erected in 1849 and the second of Bogardus’s façade
commissions) was dismantled in 1971, carefully stored with the intent of
future restoration, and in 1974 were carted off by someone
not-in-the-know like so many old steam radiators to be sold for scrap
iron. This has engendered a small degree of paranoia with experienced
preservationists and it has always been of value to me, as a
preservation contractor, to know whereof the sentiment is derived. For
whatever reason I have also been wondering for several years what goods
were sold in the Laing Stores. This book provides the answer.
James Bogardus (1800-1874) was a nineteenth-century American inventor,
machinist, architect, engineer, manufacturer, and builder in a time,
unlike our own, where an individual could do almost anything industrious
and put a good name to it afterward. His inventions included the
eccentric mill, the self-supporting cast iron façade, and, with
construction of the McCullough Shot & Lead Company shot tower of
nonstructural brick wall panels entirely supported by an iron frame to a
height of 217 feet in 1855, he anticipated the skeletal steel-framework
of our urban environment. At the time this structure was the tallest in
Manhattan.
I find it curious that the modern skyscraper was born of the necessity
of the armaments industry. There is something else I had been wondering
about -- the function of a shot tower is that lead is passed through a
sieve at the top, falls a distance where it becomes spherical, and then
plunges into a bath of cold water where it hardens. The necessity of the
structure of a shot tower is to be tall, economical to build, and to not
allow lead to not be blown around by gusting winds.
Bogardus, in an age where mechanical invention was the new wave, was a
practical and ambitious entrepreneurial builder seeking profitable
income. It is ironic to consider that if he were alive today he might
not have any particular interest to looking into the past or especial
concern for preservation of the historic fabric that he was building for
us then.
“As for his customers, they probably were not concerned with
architectural revolution or looking into the future. They wanted
structures that accomplished the task at hand. Bogardus’s buildings did
so. And that was that.”
The above is about as speculative as this book gets -- there is a lot of
factual information, dated and attributed thoroughly, that represents a
great amount of admirable research. Unlike many books full of facts
derived from historical records, this book is readable, the authors have
a smooth and patient prose style, and I recommend the reading to anyone
with a serious curiosity about cast-iron architecture, particularly if
they are the owners of one of these beautiful facades. For those readers
not familiar with the streets and buildings of New York City I advise
keeping a street map and an AIA guide nearby (duly noted in the
bibliography). I read the book on the subway, the dead time between
business meetings, and was pleased to recognize a few of the buildings
when emerging above ground. The author sticks to the task at hand and
does not wander very far into concurrent events, therefore a timeline of
American history or a short history of New York City would assist the
casual reader in imagining a familiar context. The year 1855 in which
Bogardus’s first shot tower was built marks the publication of Walt
Whitman’s /Leaves of Grass/, and the building of the first oil refinery
in Pittsburgh.
Though the majority of Bogardus’s work was in New York City he built
cast-iron structures in several other locations including Chicago,
Philadelphia, Albany, Charleston, Washington DC, Baltimore, San
Francisco, Santo Domingo (a lighthouse), and Havana. From 1848 to 1862
Bogardus built 43 structures, with five of them now remaining standing
where you can go see them for yourself, four in New York City and one,
the Iron Clad Building, in Cooperstown, NY.
Margot Gayle, a founder of the Friends of Cast Iron Architecture, is an
authority on cast-iron architecture and has been a major inspiration
behind the historic preservation movement in New York City. She recently
celebrated her 90^th birthday, and deserves as thoroughly researched a
biography as she has provided us for Bogardus.
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with
construction of the McCullough Shot & Lead Company shot tower of
nonstructural brick wall panels entirely supported by an iron frame to a
height of 217 feet in 1855, he anticipated the skeletal steel-framework
of our urban environment
"Anticipated" seems a bit strong to me, and suggests intentionality -
something cast iron nuts are keen to do. How about prefigured? Moltenly yours, C
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Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/15/2004 11:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> with
> construction of the McCullough Shot & Lead Company shot tower of
> nonstructural brick wall panels entirely supported by an iron
> frame to a
> height of 217 feet in 1855, he anticipated the skeletal
> steel-framework
> of our urban environment
>
>
> "Anticipated" seems a bit strong to me, and suggests intentionality -
> something cast iron nuts are keen to do. How about prefigured?
> Moltenly yours, C
Chris,
You are accurate... too bad this went out years ago. I'll mention to my
editor that we did not catch this temporal error.
I'll ask Rudy to haul out the time machine from behind the tomato worm.
No time now for me to review if it is the word Margot used in the book
and I like a monkey copied thought and word for word.
Good thing I'm a novice?
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[log in to unmask] writes:
"Anticipated" seems a bit strong to me, and suggests intentionality -
something cast iron nuts are keen to do. How about prefigured? Moltenly yours, C
Are these the same kind of cast iron nuts that get frozen off a jeep on a day
like this?
Ralph
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that get frozen off a jeep on a day like this?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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I'll ask Rudy to haul out the time machine from behind the tomato worm.
Now that's disgusting. I haven't thought of those damned things in years.
Thanks for nothing.
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en't thought of those damned things in years. Thanks for nothing.</FONT></ST=
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> In a message dated 2/15/2004 11:28:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'll ask Rudy to haul out the time machine from behind the tomato
> worm.
>
> *Now _that's_ disgusting. I haven't thought of those damned things in
> years. Thanks for nothing.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Ralph,
Sometimes all we have is the memories.
Besides, the TM here referenced is not what you think it is.
We can't help it if your mind is in the garden.
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Thank you Ken, for this info. I am mostly familiar with cast iron as
cooking vessels, stoves and engine blocks, uses where it is not subject to
weather. I saw one reference to painting these buildings so I guess that's
how they were protected from the ravages of weather. It would be rather
hard to "season" a building in the same manner that I would a new spider or
Dutch oven. Ruth
At 11:15 AM -0500 2/15/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>[log in to unmask] wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 2/14/2004 10:07:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> This gets curiouser and curiouser, A CAST IRON building??? Only in
>> NYC!!!!! Ruth
>>
>> *Not in the least "only in New York." There were -- and are-- cast
>> iron buildings all over...the world. And lots of 'em in New York.*
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Am I correct that a "shot tower" was used in the manufacture of amunition
for shotguns? If so is it still done this way? Ruth
At 11:21 AM -0500 2/15/04, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 2/15/2004 11:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
with
construction of the McCullough Shot & Lead Company shot tower of
nonstructural brick wall panels entirely supported by an iron frame to a
height of 217 feet in 1855, he anticipated the skeletal steel-framework
of our urban environment
"Anticipated" seems a bit strong to me, and suggests intentionality -
something cast iron nuts are keen to do. How about prefigured? Moltenly
yours, C
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Sometimes all we have is the memories.
Besides, the TM here referenced is not what you think it is.
We can't help it if your mind is in the garden.
The time machine doesn't bother me. The problem was the tomato worms.
Ralph
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The problem was the tomato worms.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/15/2004 4:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Am I correct that a "shot tower" was used in the manufacture of amunition
for shotguns? Yes. If so is it still done this way? Probably not, but I
don't know how it is done nowadays; it's probably robot poop. I seem to remember
from Arch'l History that there were several (or at least a couple) of shot
towers in NYC. Ruth Ralph
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so is it still done this way? <STRONG>Probably not, but I don't know ho=
w it is done nowadays; it's probably robot poop. I seem to remember fr=
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In a message dated 2/15/2004 4:54:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Thank you Ken, for this info. On behalf of Ken, you're welcome. I am mostly
familiar with cast iron as cooking vessels, stoves and engine blocks, uses
where it is not subject to weather. I saw one reference to painting these
buildings so I guess that's how they were protected from the ravages of weather. That
IS the point of painting buildings, after all. It would be rather hard to
"season" a building in the same manner that I would a new spider or Dutch oven.
Well, if you had a big enough stove and could control it well enough... As
I think about it, my coal stove and the other cast-iron coal stoves I've seen
were periodically schmeared with stove polish, rather than painted. FYI, cast
iron buildings were often/generally limited to one or two facades, the others
being brick. The advantage of the CI being that a CI building could have
substantially larger windows (due to less solid material between them) than would
be the case with all-masonry buildings. One could also have lots more
frou-frou less expensively than one could by carving the ornament into stone. Ruth
Ralph
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d a new spider or Dutch oven. <STRONG>Well, if you had a big enough&nb=
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> In a message dated 2/15/2004 4:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Sometimes all we have is the memories.
> Besides, the TM here referenced is not what you think it is.
> We can't help it if your mind is in the garden.
>
> *The time machine doesn't bother me. The problem was the tomato worms.*
> **
> *Ralph*
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There's a shot tower just outside of Baltimore. I don't know about=20
shot gun shot, but my understanding is that shot towers were used for=20
cannon balls. I can't remember any details, but I am left with the=20
impression that hot iron globs are dropped through a tower of water and=20=
they come out cooler and round at the bottom. Better look it up.
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> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Am I correct that a "shot tower" was used in the manufacture of=20
> amunition
> for shotguns? Yes.=A0 If so is it still done this way?=A0Probably not, =
but=20
> I don't know how it is done nowadays; it's probably robot poop.=A0 I=20=
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There's a shot tower just outside of Baltimore. I don't know about
shot gun shot, but my understanding is that shot towers were used for
cannon balls. I can't remember any details, but I am left with the
impression that hot iron globs are dropped through a tower of water
and they come out cooler and round at the bottom. Better look it up.
-jc
On Feb 15, 2004, at 6:03 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>In a message
dated 2/15/2004 4:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>Am I correct that a
"shot tower" was used in the manufacture of =
amunition</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>for shotguns?
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</x-tad-smaller><bold><x-tad-smaller>Yes.</x-tad-smaller></bold><x-tad-sma=
ller>=A0
If so is it still done this
way?=A0</x-tad-smaller><bold><x-tad-smaller>Probably not, but I don't
know how it is done nowadays; it's probably robot poop.=A0 I seem to
remember from Arch'l History that there were several (or at least a
couple) of shot towers in
NYC.</x-tad-smaller></bold><x-tad-smaller>=A0Ruth
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In a message dated 2/15/2004 9:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
The tomato worm is not what you think it is.
If it looks like a tomato worm, I say it's a tomato worm, and the hell with
it. If it doesn't look like a tomato worm, who cares?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/15/2004 9:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, orgrease=
@OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>The tomato worm is not what you think it is.</=
FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>If it looks like a tomato worm, I sa=
y it's a tomato worm, and the hell with it. If it doesn't look like a=20=
tomato worm, who cares?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/16/2004 8:56:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
There's a shot tower just outside of Baltimore. I don't know about
shot gun shot, but my understanding is that shot towers were used for
cannon balls. I can't remember any details, but I am left with the
impression that hot iron globs are dropped through a tower of water and
they come out cooler and round at the bottom. Better look it up.
I may be wrong, but I would think that hauling 50 lb. globs of molten iron up
a shot tower would be kind of a problem, as opposed to hauling 10 million
teeny little globs of molten lead, which would be a piece of cake. Plus there's
the problem of holding a column of water inside an iron-framed,
brick-infill-paneled tower that was built that way to be light weight.
My guess is that the globs of lead get rounded in falling through air and
cool off (and get slowed down) in a barrel (or pan) of water at the bottom of the
shot tower. My other guess is that cannonballs were cast rather than air
formed.
Let's see if our dear personal friend Chriftopher is done cutting up washing
machines and can find patent information on what kind of shot was made in shot
towers, and how it was done. I'll try Google and report back.
Ralph
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. I don't know about <BR>shot gun shot, but my understanding is that s=
hot towers were used for <BR>cannon balls. I can't remember any detail=
s, but I am left with the <BR>impression that hot iron globs are dropped thr=
ough a tower of water and <BR>they come out cooler and round at the bottom.&=
nbsp; Better look it up.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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nk that hauling 50 lb. globs of molten iron up a shot tower would be ki=
nd of a problem, as opposed to hauling 10 million teeny little glo=
bs of molten lead, which would be a piece of cake. Plus there's the pr=
oblem of holding a column of water inside an iron-framed, brick-infill-panel=
ed tower that was built that way to be light weight. </FONT></STRONG></=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>My guess is that the globs of lead g=
et rounded in falling through air and cool off (and get slowed down) in=
a barrel (or pan) of water at the bottom of the shot tower. My other=20=
guess is that cannonballs were cast rather than air formed.</FONT></STR=
ONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Let's see if our dear personal friend Chr=
iftopher is done cutting up washing machines and can find patent information=
on what kind of shot was made in shot towers, and how it was done. I'l=
l try Google and report back.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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For a somewhat repetitive history and description of shot towers and their
operation, see
http://www.traphof.org/shot_towers/shot_towers_page_1.htm
There are several pages worth of stuff on various shot towers under "shot
tower" in Google.
For those of you with better things to do, the process was invented by some
guy in Bristol, England, who remodeled his house from 3 to 6 stories, so he'd
have a short commute, and put "Gothic" crenellations on the top.
The shot tower process involves melting the lead in a kettle at the top of
the tower, pouring it through copper sieves to get the right size (apparently
ranging from shotgun-shot to musket shot; no reference to cannon balls that I
saw), and as the lead falls through the air it forms spheres (just like
raindrops, but raindrops feel better when they keep fallin' on your head [Heidi won't
get this reference]). The spherical lead landed in another kettle full of
water at the bottom. Bigger balls required a longer fall to cool the larger
volume of lead.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040><A href=3D"http://www.traphof.org/shot_to=
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page_1.htm</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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various shot towers under "shot tower" in Google. </FONT></STRONG></DI=
V>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>For those of you with better things to do=
, the process was invented by some guy in Bristol, England, who remodeled hi=
s house from 3 to 6 stories, so he'd have a short commute, and put "Gothic"=20=
crenellations on the top.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>The shot tower process involves melting t=
he lead in a kettle at the top of the tower, pouring it through copper sieve=
s to get the right size (apparently ranging from shotgun-shot to musket shot=
; no reference to cannon balls that I saw), and as the lead falls through th=
e air it forms spheres (just like raindrops, but raindrops feel be=
tter when they keep fallin' on your head [Heidi won't get this reference]).&=
nbsp; The spherical lead landed in another kettle full of water at the=
bottom. Bigger balls required a longer fall to cool the larger volume=
of lead.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Drill the welds-
a regular dril bit will work but there are sold specific bits for this-
autto parts stores should vave them
Met History writes:
> Is there a better way to undo welded white metal than just using an iron
> mallet?
>
> There's an old washing machine thrown out on the sidewalk. A local
> Cornell-educated graffiti artist, DeLaVega, has done some of his trademark drawing on
> the side - a fish outside a goldfish bowl with the legend "Become your dream".
>
> I want to salvage this side panel but it is attached to the other panels by
> what I have always called "spot welding". Is there a technique more
> sophisticated than brute force to separate the panel?
>
> Oh, yeah, and, thanks for the flood of info about iron spot brick.
> Christopher
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Hey, I take my "stove top espresso pot" camping. 10 mins in the coals.
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
Sr. Associate
LZA Technology
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [BP] historic preservation (of my spine)
In a message dated 2/13/2004 9:03:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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An Aero Bed for Camping???
You plug it in next to the DVD player???
Don't forget his espresso machine.
Ralph
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It used to be common practice for gut rehab contractors to paint the copper
pipes black - make 'em look like the steel sprinkler pipes. Couldn't fool
anyone in construction business but the painted pipes didn't get ripped out.
Eric Hammarberg
Director of Preservation
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In a message dated 2/14/2004 2:27:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
So, who wants iron in their brick anyway? Do you want somebody to come
along with a big magnet and steal your building in the middle of the night?
Ruth
Ruth,
People who want iron spot brick like little speckles (iron spots in brick
are about the size of a bit of black pepper, or a fly "speck") in things,
when you look REAL close. There aren't enough iron spots in a brick to
allow you to pick up an iron-spot brick with a magnet, and you probably
couldn't get a magnet to stick to an iron spot, either. So, even if wanted
someone to do so, the chances of some miscreant using a magnet to steal an
iron-spot brick building are in the pretty slim range, even at night, and
even in New York.
Back in the olden days in Joisey City, my associates and I were renovating
an apt building in our neighborhood, and came in one morning to find that
all the new copper pipe we had installed had all been cut out and stolen for
scrap. After that we used PVC, which has no scrap value. Copper and brass
bring substantially more when sold as scrap than steel or iron, so don't
figure on getting much for Chris' new artwork/washing machine panel when you
finally come down to see us in New York and walk by his house with a magnet.
However, there was a famous case probably 30-35 years ago, in which a
cast-iron building down at the South Street Seaport in NY had been
carefully disassembled and stored for later reconstruction, but was stolen
for scrap metal and never seen again, at least not in the same
configuration. It would be nice to think that the original iron may have
reappeared in the form of steel in the new building that had to be designed
for the same site, to mimic the original CI one.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/17/2004 12:03:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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It used to be common practice for gut rehab contractors to paint the copper
pipes black - make 'em look like the steel sprinkler pipes. Couldn't fool
anyone in construction business but the painted pipes didn't get ripped out.
Eric,
Nothin' like being 25 years late with the information. But I'll keep it in
mind.
Ralph
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inted pipes didn't get ripped out.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>Eric,</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:54:39 EST
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Subject: Re: Polka, Doubt?
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In what may be a carefully crafted piece of disinformation,
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Couldn't fool anyone in construction business but the painted pipes didn't
get ripped out.
So, I guess you maintain is that the "preservation mafia" is no longer a
suspect in these thefts? Sincerely, Dryvit Overcoat
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Subject: Re: Polka, Doubt? Chriftopher Plumber?
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In a message dated 2/17/2004 12:55:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Couldn't fool anyone in construction business but the painted pipes didn't
get ripped out.
So, I guess you maintain is that the "preservation mafia" is no longer a
suspect in these thefts? Sincerely, Dryvit Overcoat
This is an interesting problem. Seems to me that if the PM were insisting on
absolutely slavish devotion to antiquity in all particulars, it ought to be
ripping out copper piping because of the threat it poses to old brass pipe, or
in REALLY old places, lead. On the other hand, one could argue that the
retention of defective old plumbing poses a threat to Our Historic Patrimony, and
that therefore new plumbing is a small sacrificial price to pay to maintain
original building stock.
Hmm.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/17/2004 12:55:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, MetHist=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Couldn't fool anyone in construction business=20=
but the painted pipes didn't get ripped out.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">So, I guess you maintain is th=
at the "preservation mafia" is no longer a suspect in these thefts? &nb=
sp; Sincerely, Dryvit Overcoat </FONT></DIV></=
BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>This is an interesting problem. Seems to me that if the PM w=
ere insisting on absolutely slavish devotion to antiquity in all particulars=
, it ought to be ripping out copper piping because of the threat it poses to=
old brass pipe, or in REALLY old places, lead. On the other hand, one=
could argue that the retention of defective old plumbing poses a threa=
t to Our Historic Patrimony, and that therefore new plumbing is a small sacr=
ificial price to pay to maintain original building stock.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hmm.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:54:22 -0500
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Subject: Symposium in NYC
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I would like to announce this symposium on the list serve. Thanks for
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State of the Art Techniques for Monitoring and Protecting Historic
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Saturday, March 27, 2004. Columbia University, New York, NY (8:30 am -
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This one-day symposium will focus on technologies developed in other
fields that could have significant uses in historic preservation and
architectural conservation. Interested participants will include
architects, engineers, architectural conservators as well as owners and
managers of historic buildings. Attendees will see and hear
presentations on instrumentation for purposes of monitoring
deterioration and structural integrity of buildings and monuments.
Participants are eligible for 6 AIA Learning Units.
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Continuous monitoring of historic structures through the use of
instrumentation has become increasingly common and is a useful method of
assessing building damage, the efficacy of repairs, establishing cause
and effect on surrounding buildings during construction, and for the
validation of computer models. =20
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proven after years of use in the shipbuilding, highway infrastructure
and petrochemical industries. The large stock of early iron and steel
framed buildings in both the United States and the United Kingdom has
driven research into this corrosion protection system.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Announcing:</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"http://www.apti.org/confs/historic_structures/apt_monitoring_prot=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Saturday, March 27, 2004. Columbia University, =
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NY (8:30 am – 5:00 pm). </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This one-day =
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uses in historic preservation and architectural conservation. =
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participants will include architects, engineers, architectural =
conservators as=20
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see and=20
hear presentations on instrumentation for purposes of monitoring =
deterioration=20
and structural integrity of buildings and monuments. <FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Participants are =
eligible for 6 AIA=20
Learning Units.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Continuous =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>for information on speakers, =
presentations and=20
mail-in registration:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><A=20
href=3D"http://www.apti.org/confs/historic_structures/apt_monitoring_prot=
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protecting.pdf</A></FONT></DIV>
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A little after the season, but funny. I'm a blah blah blah, yadda yadda
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:25:27 -0500
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Up for grabs if anyone's interested. Just let me know your bid.
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RIT has a US Cargo trailer for sale - 7' X 14'. The trailer was =
purchased in 1996 for $3,750.00. It has not been used in 3 years and =
when it was used, it was only used occasionally. The trailer =
specifications and pictures may be found at the purchasing web site =
http://finweb.rit.edu/purchasing/SurplusPictures.html.
It is parked behind the facilities building in parking lot B if you =
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Tina R. Karol, C.P.M.
Director of Purchasing
Rochester Institute of Technology
124 Lomb Memorial Drive
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The biggest outhouse yet ....!
Plans to import hundreds of lorryloads of English excrement into
Scotland to produce "green energy crops" on the site of an old coal mine
has put Scottish noses out of joint particularly since Scottish Coal is
reported to have claimed - although the company hotly denies it - that
English stools are "higher quality" to those produced locally.
Over the next six months a subsidiary of Thames Water is to spread
48,000 tons of "biosolids" (as they are euphemistically described) one
metre deep over part of the old Dalquhandy open cast coal mine near the
Lanarkshire village of Coalburn insisting that they will help "enhance
the appearance and amenity of the area," although the Scottish National
Party has called on the importers to "take their crap homewards".
Fast growing willows will be planted on the sewage, which is in the form
of dry pellets, and then cropped for fuel.
But local people fear smells and health risks and are furious not to
have been consulted in advance. Local GP, Dr Sinclair Scott, said that
there was "real concern" in the area and said that the villagers had
only learned about the scheme "by chance".
MSPs took up the same themes in a debate on Thursday. Roseanna
Cunningham, the SNP environment spokesman, said: "The whole thing
stinks," and Chris Ballance a Green MSP held aloft "a properly composted
sewage sludge cake" produced in the south of Scotland, extolling its
advantages over the imported product.
Scottish Coal and Thames Water, taken aback by the row, spent the end of
last week trying to dismiss it as a storm in a lavatory bowl and are now
promising to use as much Scottish sewage as possible. They also said
that the process was approved by Friends of the Earth.
From: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=491528
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This is cool in a geeky sort of way. May run a bit fast, but you can
rewind at the end.
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Can it be picked up from Chriftopher's 2nd floor offices at 84th and
Broadway, or whatever is his exact location? If not, forget it.
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Can't we go back to discussing something less distasteful, like Pam's sex
life? Especially since she's offering us a trailer.
Ralph
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Subject: Dialect Literature
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Dialect writing
I have been reading /Strange Talk, The Politics of Dialect Literature in
Gilded Age America/ by Gavin Jones.
For a time following after the Civil War dialect writing in American
literature was mainstream and intense. At first dialect writing occurred
in political journalism with authors writing under pseudonyms as it
allowed speaking out on subjects and expressing opinions that were
potentially, and recognized as, damaging to own's career if said
straight out. In many cases these were humorous skits that relied upon a
feeling of cultural superiority of the reader over the ethnicity of the
racial identity of the contrived authorial voice. In time the political
journalism went through a transformation into mainstream literary work,
best known for Mark Twain and Huckleberry Finn, and well as James Branch
Cabel and Uncle Remus. Along the way there seems to have been a great
deal of discussion, and recognition of the need to protect the American
language against alien infiltration and spoilage... and a great deal of
ambivalence as it was the very incorporation of "otherness" into the
American language that was touted as the strength of the language that
needed to be protected from infiltration. The politics also had an
integral role in the formation of a National identity, as well as the
move towards standardization of spelling and grammar as in an
"authorized" form of the American language.
What strikes me as particularly curious was the problem that dialect
writers had in their sometimes delibgerate, and sometimes inadvertent
making of their work obscure to their readership... people could not
always figure out what it was they were reading. The more strident an
author was in crafting a phonetic representation of an odd dialect the
more likely that they would reduce the pool of comprehension with a
smaller and smaller audience wondering what the hell the writer was
trying to say. There was also at issue that reading cross-dialect when
an author wrote for instance "I'se" it would be pronounced in Cajun one
way, and in Irish another... meaning that the literal sign of the
letters when placed in different cultural mixes would stand for totally
different pronunciations... so in effect an author could write in the
"authorized" language and in fact the reader would read it as dialect
because, quite simply, that is how they pronounce their words no matter
how they are written.
Another item that interests me is that authors touted the authenticity
of their renditions of dialect (Twain in a preface to Huck Finn claimed
authorial command of 6 distinct dialects... though there is considerable
discussion as to if there were or were not 6 distinct dialects displayed
in the novel -- I find it almost impossible to sort "written" dialects
and find his claim to be a trickster ploy)... and that in many cases the
"interpretation" of a dialectical representation was of one "literate"
race and cultural class making play of another... such as a white man
writing in the artifice of a San Francisco Chinese dialect... and going
to great pains to explain the basis of their authenticity in their long
and arduous study and exposure to the primitive language.
The intended reader usually is not a member of the culture or ethnicity
of the characters who are represented... so it is kind of like an
inter-cultural puppet show that goes on with dialect writing. If the
readers identify with the dialect representation then it tends more
often to their saying, "H'got dis wrung... we don soun lak dis, we soun
lik dat!"
In the end, dialect writing for the reader is a puzzle and the solving
of the puzzle, the comprehension of a message, sometimes of any message
at all, is the reward and the satisfaction in the presumed successful
reading of dialect. There is no rational relationship between the signs
of letters and words and the authentic representation of dialect... so
even to advertise authenticity in dialect is an artifice... a
three-card-monty with the reader as a willing and participatory dupe. I
believe it was the eventual recognition of the "game" and artifice of
dialect writing, along with the layers of built-up obscurity and masking
of the text from a wide audience [increased distribution channels for
periodicals & books combined with increased access to the leisure time
of a middle-class readership] that caused it to become less prevalent in
mainstream literature. I am reminded of James Toomer and the Harlem
Renaissance writers and their use of a black dialect -- as well as
contemporary Hip Hop. In both cases I think not fully conscious of the
socio-political implications of their breakout positions as supposedly
originating from the target speech/sound systems. A post-modern dialect
exploration in literature I presume would be very aware and cognizant of
the terrain of the language game and would freely employ strategies of
meta-dialect.
Though I have not finished the book I am curiously thinking about what I
read in it in comparison to contemporary expressions of dialect writing.
In particular the often found maxim that the appropriate technique is to
"suggest" dialect in the opening of a text, just enough of a taste to
identify the socio-cultural background of the characters, and that the
reader will tend to imagine dialect throughout... and at the same time
the reduction of the dependence on dialect will not compromise on the
rational understanding of the text to a wider audience. Also that
dialect is most often used in a humorous manner that puts down the
characters... such as hillbilly moron writing... of which I am partial
to enjoy like some folks are addicted to chocolate or raw oysters.
In my life and work environment I often encounter patterns of
"English/American" speech and sound that are totally unintelligible to me.
Living on Long Island I have encountered a local dialect, particularly
with groups of teen-to-adult that when I overhear them I have to admit
that I have absolutely no idea what they are saying. When I found out
that my son, in his mid 20's is fluent in the local dialect... by
overhearing him talking with a group of kids, I was amazed. We recently
heard together some girls talking on a local radio station and we both
agreed that they were using a local and distinctive speech pattern. This
is 60 miles East from NYC and it is a dialect I have never heard in
years of wandering around in NYC. I am curious as to how to figure out
if it is traceable to either pre-colonial Dutch, English or Unkechaug
Algonquin influences.
And here is an example of playing with the notions of dialect...
Again it was night, Skeesuks had been with his thumb out on a road
somewhere between Tennessee and hell when a super charged black car
weaved itself down the interstate and came to a halt a hundred yards
farther down the road. Car stopped brake tail lights red in wet air.
Black car on a black night, mystery box with a surprise inside. Charged
in reverse up the incline towards Skeesuks in pursuit of the shoulder
half on, half off asphalt. Stopped again. A blonde head poked out the
passenger window. Whatever that head said Skeesuks could not make out.
No hesitation he got in, always into and out of cars. Tight fit with
seven and a quarter case of cheap beer.
They took off like an elbow rocket, the driver's arms braced against the
wheel. FM radio roaring loud /Plastic Fantastic Lover/. Mad mad rush
into darkness. Two guys in the front, Skeesuks' age but like from
'nother planet, jib-jabbered at each other. The driver hit the wheel,
shakin' -- with his palms in time flat with the rock n' roll. From zero
Skeesuks looked round, saw that they topped over ninety, near
ninety-five on the dial. Friggin' fantastic. Shotgun rider shook his
head 'round like a dead rat shivrin' ina mutt dog's mouth. With a beer
can he motioned motioned towards the back seat. Loud the engine. The car
hump swerved then lurched, swerved again forward. They could have been
talkin' dialect.
"You want one help yourself there buddy. We got plenty."
Skeesuks had no idea what the guy was trying to tell him. He got that he
was being spoken to, that part was obvious. What was being said as far
as he was concerned was obscure. He kept listening.
"You want one help yourself there."
It was times like this Skeesuks knew there is a world of experience he
don't know. Listen. The frenzy in this rushed car shooting the dark road
was one shift of time to space that wanted him the head to bite a calico
kitten off. Twisted, listen. Just some experience that make even a best
person want to waffle -- laugh through it. Spit in the eye of the devil.
Spit in the eye of God.
Skeesuks wondered there in the back seat who he was to know when he spit
just whose eye it was that he spit on. Rules mean dip shit to death.
Sardine packing to come up quick enough around the corner or a next bend
of road. Push the rod and hammer throttle.
Three of them in this dark machine, a Cougar, shot off towards their grave.
Jethro and Tullie was AWOL from basic and they figured they had better
get home to their mamas pretty damn fast and that is why they kept going
faster than skat shit with a wayward Skeesuks in tow. But it was a short
trip. They left him off when they got to what looked like no town in the
darkness. No place that he had not been already. They as quick drove off
in another direction. Short skips and jumps and curious departures that
lead one to conspirate a secret order.
From back seat of a car the child watches the world pass around like
wind in a tunnel -- then it is as quickly gone like debris after a
perfect storm. Images of tree limbs, scattered leaves, rotted pumpkins,
broken corn stalks yellow left after a divine harvest to lie in a field
mixed with the brown mud and stone.
GO
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:08:04 -0800
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When I saw this I thought it was a house trailer as they were discussed
here some time back. Ruth
At 12:25 PM -0500 2/19/04, Stevenson, Pamela wrote:
Up for grabs if anyone's interested. Just let me know your bid.
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In a message, Ruth@Howard'sEnd writes:
When I saw this I thought it was a house trailer
I had thought it was a movie trailer for a porn film, with Gab & Eti, the gay
hobbits. Anyway, why do they call them "trailers" if they show them before
the film you came to see?
Sincerely, Hot Elf Action
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Thanks Ralph, you caused me to spend most of one morning looking a pictures
of shot towers. Ruth
At 10:22 AM -0500 2/16/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
For a somewhat repetitive history and description of shot towers and their
operation, see
<http://www.traphof.org/shot_towers/shot_towers_page_1.htm>http://www.traphof.org/shot_towers/shot_towers_page_1.htm
There are several pages worth of stuff on various shot towers under "shot
tower" in Google.
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
When I saw this I thought it was a house trailer as they were discussed
here some time back. Ruth
Ruth,
For 900 bucks, you want a HOUSE trailer? Pam may have married an Englishman,
but that doesn't mean she's completely stupid.
Ralph
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yes it can, however it may be full of outdated catalogs he is to lazy to
carry to the curb.............
[log in to unmask] wrote:
> Can it be picked up from Chriftopher's 2nd floor offices at 84th and
> Broadway, or whatever is his exact location? If not, forget it.
>
> Ralph
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yes it can, however it may be full of outdated catalogs he is to lazy
to carry to the curb.............<br>
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so for a good evening's read lay your hands on DARE- Dictionary of
American Regional English- somehow I got volume 1 for an xmas present
yrs ago...
Caught something interesting- some article, maybe the NYTimes- about
written chinese. Evidently chinese has changed so infinitesimally that a
Chinese reader can pick up a 3,00 yr old augury bone and read it today-
evidently in thinking about spoken chinese, which is all regional
dialect and written chinese which is uniform, the written is essentially
a 2nd language...
In re the local suffolk county dialect are you sure it's not gulla???
remember that there are still people out there who view themselves as
New Englanders and are BoSox fans...
Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
> Dialect writing
>
> I have been reading /Strange Talk, The Politics of Dialect Literature in
> Gilded Age America/ by Gavin Jones.
>
> For a time following after the Civil War dialect writing in American
> literature was mainstream and intense. At first dialect writing occurred
> in political journalism with authors writing under pseudonyms as it
> allowed speaking out on subjects and expressing opinions that were
> potentially, and recognized as, damaging to own's career if said
> straight out. In many cases these were humorous skits that relied upon a
> feeling of cultural superiority of the reader over the ethnicity of the
> racial identity of the contrived authorial voice. In time the political
> journalism went through a transformation into mainstream literary work,
> best known for Mark Twain and Huckleberry Finn, and well as James Branch
> Cabel and Uncle Remus. Along the way there seems to have been a great
> deal of discussion, and recognition of the need to protect the American
> language against alien infiltration and spoilage... and a great deal of
> ambivalence as it was the very incorporation of "otherness" into the
> American language that was touted as the strength of the language that
> needed to be protected from infiltration. The politics also had an
> integral role in the formation of a National identity, as well as the
> move towards standardization of spelling and grammar as in an
> "authorized" form of the American language.
>
> What strikes me as particularly curious was the problem that dialect
> writers had in their sometimes delibgerate, and sometimes inadvertent
> making of their work obscure to their readership... people could not
> always figure out what it was they were reading. The more strident an
> author was in crafting a phonetic representation of an odd dialect the
> more likely that they would reduce the pool of comprehension with a
> smaller and smaller audience wondering what the hell the writer was
> trying to say. There was also at issue that reading cross-dialect when
> an author wrote for instance "I'se" it would be pronounced in Cajun one
> way, and in Irish another... meaning that the literal sign of the
> letters when placed in different cultural mixes would stand for totally
> different pronunciations... so in effect an author could write in the
> "authorized" language and in fact the reader would read it as dialect
> because, quite simply, that is how they pronounce their words no matter
> how they are written.
>
> Another item that interests me is that authors touted the authenticity
> of their renditions of dialect (Twain in a preface to Huck Finn claimed
> authorial command of 6 distinct dialects... though there is considerable
> discussion as to if there were or were not 6 distinct dialects displayed
> in the novel -- I find it almost impossible to sort "written" dialects
> and find his claim to be a trickster ploy)... and that in many cases the
> "interpretation" of a dialectical representation was of one "literate"
> race and cultural class making play of another... such as a white man
> writing in the artifice of a San Francisco Chinese dialect... and going
> to great pains to explain the basis of their authenticity in their long
> and arduous study and exposure to the primitive language.
>
> The intended reader usually is not a member of the culture or ethnicity
> of the characters who are represented... so it is kind of like an
> inter-cultural puppet show that goes on with dialect writing. If the
> readers identify with the dialect representation then it tends more
> often to their saying, "H'got dis wrung... we don soun lak dis, we soun
> lik dat!"
>
> In the end, dialect writing for the reader is a puzzle and the solving
> of the puzzle, the comprehension of a message, sometimes of any message
> at all, is the reward and the satisfaction in the presumed successful
> reading of dialect. There is no rational relationship between the signs
> of letters and words and the authentic representation of dialect... so
> even to advertise authenticity in dialect is an artifice... a
> three-card-monty with the reader as a willing and participatory dupe. I
> believe it was the eventual recognition of the "game" and artifice of
> dialect writing, along with the layers of built-up obscurity and masking
> of the text from a wide audience [increased distribution channels for
> periodicals & books combined with increased access to the leisure time
> of a middle-class readership] that caused it to become less prevalent in
> mainstream literature. I am reminded of James Toomer and the Harlem
> Renaissance writers and their use of a black dialect -- as well as
> contemporary Hip Hop. In both cases I think not fully conscious of the
> socio-political implications of their breakout positions as supposedly
> originating from the target speech/sound systems. A post-modern dialect
> exploration in literature I presume would be very aware and cognizant of
> the terrain of the language game and would freely employ strategies of
> meta-dialect.
>
> Though I have not finished the book I am curiously thinking about what I
> read in it in comparison to contemporary expressions of dialect writing.
> In particular the often found maxim that the appropriate technique is to
> "suggest" dialect in the opening of a text, just enough of a taste to
> identify the socio-cultural background of the characters, and that the
> reader will tend to imagine dialect throughout... and at the same time
> the reduction of the dependence on dialect will not compromise on the
> rational understanding of the text to a wider audience. Also that
> dialect is most often used in a humorous manner that puts down the
> characters... such as hillbilly moron writing... of which I am partial
> to enjoy like some folks are addicted to chocolate or raw oysters.
>
> In my life and work environment I often encounter patterns of
> "English/American" speech and sound that are totally unintelligible to
> me.
>
> Living on Long Island I have encountered a local dialect, particularly
> with groups of teen-to-adult that when I overhear them I have to admit
> that I have absolutely no idea what they are saying. When I found out
> that my son, in his mid 20's is fluent in the local dialect... by
> overhearing him talking with a group of kids, I was amazed. We recently
> heard together some girls talking on a local radio station and we both
> agreed that they were using a local and distinctive speech pattern. This
> is 60 miles East from NYC and it is a dialect I have never heard in
> years of wandering around in NYC. I am curious as to how to figure out
> if it is traceable to either pre-colonial Dutch, English or Unkechaug
> Algonquin influences.
>
> And here is an example of playing with the notions of dialect...
>
> Again it was night, Skeesuks had been with his thumb out on a road
> somewhere between Tennessee and hell when a super charged black car
> weaved itself down the interstate and came to a halt a hundred yards
> farther down the road. Car stopped brake tail lights red in wet air.
> Black car on a black night, mystery box with a surprise inside. Charged
> in reverse up the incline towards Skeesuks in pursuit of the shoulder
> half on, half off asphalt. Stopped again. A blonde head poked out the
> passenger window. Whatever that head said Skeesuks could not make out.
> No hesitation he got in, always into and out of cars. Tight fit with
> seven and a quarter case of cheap beer.
>
> They took off like an elbow rocket, the driver's arms braced against the
> wheel. FM radio roaring loud /Plastic Fantastic Lover/. Mad mad rush
> into darkness. Two guys in the front, Skeesuks' age but like from
> 'nother planet, jib-jabbered at each other. The driver hit the wheel,
> shakin' -- with his palms in time flat with the rock n' roll. From zero
> Skeesuks looked round, saw that they topped over ninety, near
> ninety-five on the dial. Friggin' fantastic. Shotgun rider shook his
> head 'round like a dead rat shivrin' ina mutt dog's mouth. With a beer
> can he motioned motioned towards the back seat. Loud the engine. The car
> hump swerved then lurched, swerved again forward. They could have been
> talkin' dialect.
>
> "You want one help yourself there buddy. We got plenty."
>
> Skeesuks had no idea what the guy was trying to tell him. He got that he
> was being spoken to, that part was obvious. What was being said as far
> as he was concerned was obscure. He kept listening.
>
> "You want one help yourself there."
>
> It was times like this Skeesuks knew there is a world of experience he
> don't know. Listen. The frenzy in this rushed car shooting the dark road
> was one shift of time to space that wanted him the head to bite a calico
> kitten off. Twisted, listen. Just some experience that make even a best
> person want to waffle -- laugh through it. Spit in the eye of the devil.
> Spit in the eye of God.
>
> Skeesuks wondered there in the back seat who he was to know when he spit
> just whose eye it was that he spit on. Rules mean dip shit to death.
> Sardine packing to come up quick enough around the corner or a next bend
> of road. Push the rod and hammer throttle.
>
> Three of them in this dark machine, a Cougar, shot off towards their
> grave.
>
> Jethro and Tullie was AWOL from basic and they figured they had better
> get home to their mamas pretty damn fast and that is why they kept going
> faster than skat shit with a wayward Skeesuks in tow. But it was a short
> trip. They left him off when they got to what looked like no town in the
> darkness. No place that he had not been already. They as quick drove off
> in another direction. Short skips and jumps and curious departures that
> lead one to conspirate a secret order.
>
> From back seat of a car the child watches the world pass around like
> wind in a tunnel -- then it is as quickly gone like debris after a
> perfect storm. Images of tree limbs, scattered leaves, rotted pumpkins,
> broken corn stalks yellow left after a divine harvest to lie in a field
> mixed with the brown mud and stone.
>
> GO
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so for a good evening's read lay your hands on DARE- Dictionary of
American Regional English- somehow I got volume 1 for an xmas present
yrs ago...<br>
Caught something interesting- some article, maybe the NYTimes- about
written chinese. Evidently chinese has changed so infinitesimally that
a Chinese reader can pick up a 3,00 yr old augury bone and read it
today- evidently in thinking about spoken chinese, which is all
regional dialect and written chinese which is uniform, the written is
essentially a 2nd language...<br>
<br>
In re the local suffolk county dialect are you sure it's not gulla???<br>
remember that there are still people out there who view themselves as
New Englanders and are BoSox fans...<br>
<br>
<br>
Gabriel Orgrease wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="[log in to unmask]">Dialect
writing
<br>
<br>
I have been reading /Strange Talk, The Politics of Dialect Literature
in
<br>
Gilded Age America/ by Gavin Jones.
<br>
<br>
For a time following after the Civil War dialect writing in American
<br>
literature was mainstream and intense. At first dialect writing
occurred
<br>
in political journalism with authors writing under pseudonyms as it
<br>
allowed speaking out on subjects and expressing opinions that were
<br>
potentially, and recognized as, damaging to own's career if said
<br>
straight out. In many cases these were humorous skits that relied upon
a
<br>
feeling of cultural superiority of the reader over the ethnicity of the
<br>
racial identity of the contrived authorial voice. In time the political
<br>
journalism went through a transformation into mainstream literary work,
<br>
best known for Mark Twain and Huckleberry Finn, and well as James
Branch
<br>
Cabel and Uncle Remus. Along the way there seems to have been a great
<br>
deal of discussion, and recognition of the need to protect the American
<br>
language against alien infiltration and spoilage... and a great deal of
<br>
ambivalence as it was the very incorporation of "otherness" into the
<br>
American language that was touted as the strength of the language that
<br>
needed to be protected from infiltration. The politics also had an
<br>
integral role in the formation of a National identity, as well as the
<br>
move towards standardization of spelling and grammar as in an
<br>
"authorized" form of the American language.
<br>
<br>
What strikes me as particularly curious was the problem that dialect
<br>
writers had in their sometimes delibgerate, and sometimes inadvertent
<br>
making of their work obscure to their readership... people could not
<br>
always figure out what it was they were reading. The more strident an
<br>
author was in crafting a phonetic representation of an odd dialect the
<br>
more likely that they would reduce the pool of comprehension with a
<br>
smaller and smaller audience wondering what the hell the writer was
<br>
trying to say. There was also at issue that reading cross-dialect when
<br>
an author wrote for instance "I'se" it would be pronounced in Cajun one
<br>
way, and in Irish another... meaning that the literal sign of the
<br>
letters when placed in different cultural mixes would stand for totally
<br>
different pronunciations... so in effect an author could write in the
<br>
"authorized" language and in fact the reader would read it as dialect
<br>
because, quite simply, that is how they pronounce their words no matter
<br>
how they are written.
<br>
<br>
Another item that interests me is that authors touted the authenticity
<br>
of their renditions of dialect (Twain in a preface to Huck Finn claimed
<br>
authorial command of 6 distinct dialects... though there is
considerable
<br>
discussion as to if there were or were not 6 distinct dialects
displayed
<br>
in the novel -- I find it almost impossible to sort "written" dialects
<br>
and find his claim to be a trickster ploy)... and that in many cases
the
<br>
"interpretation" of a dialectical representation was of one "literate"
<br>
race and cultural class making play of another... such as a white man
<br>
writing in the artifice of a San Francisco Chinese dialect... and going
<br>
to great pains to explain the basis of their authenticity in their long
<br>
and arduous study and exposure to the primitive language.
<br>
<br>
The intended reader usually is not a member of the culture or ethnicity
<br>
of the characters who are represented... so it is kind of like an
<br>
inter-cultural puppet show that goes on with dialect writing. If the
<br>
readers identify with the dialect representation then it tends more
<br>
often to their saying, "H'got dis wrung... we don soun lak dis, we soun
<br>
lik dat!"
<br>
<br>
In the end, dialect writing for the reader is a puzzle and the solving
<br>
of the puzzle, the comprehension of a message, sometimes of any message
<br>
at all, is the reward and the satisfaction in the presumed successful
<br>
reading of dialect. There is no rational relationship between the signs
<br>
of letters and words and the authentic representation of dialect... so
<br>
even to advertise authenticity in dialect is an artifice... a
<br>
three-card-monty with the reader as a willing and participatory dupe. I
<br>
believe it was the eventual recognition of the "game" and artifice of
<br>
dialect writing, along with the layers of built-up obscurity and
masking
<br>
of the text from a wide audience [increased distribution channels for
<br>
periodicals & books combined with increased access to the leisure
time
<br>
of a middle-class readership] that caused it to become less prevalent
in
<br>
mainstream literature. I am reminded of James Toomer and the Harlem
<br>
Renaissance writers and their use of a black dialect -- as well as
<br>
contemporary Hip Hop. In both cases I think not fully conscious of the
<br>
socio-political implications of their breakout positions as supposedly
<br>
originating from the target speech/sound systems. A post-modern dialect
<br>
exploration in literature I presume would be very aware and cognizant
of
<br>
the terrain of the language game and would freely employ strategies of
<br>
meta-dialect.
<br>
<br>
Though I have not finished the book I am curiously thinking about what
I
<br>
read in it in comparison to contemporary expressions of dialect
writing.
<br>
In particular the often found maxim that the appropriate technique is
to
<br>
"suggest" dialect in the opening of a text, just enough of a taste to
<br>
identify the socio-cultural background of the characters, and that the
<br>
reader will tend to imagine dialect throughout... and at the same time
<br>
the reduction of the dependence on dialect will not compromise on the
<br>
rational understanding of the text to a wider audience. Also that
<br>
dialect is most often used in a humorous manner that puts down the
<br>
characters... such as hillbilly moron writing... of which I am partial
<br>
to enjoy like some folks are addicted to chocolate or raw oysters.
<br>
<br>
In my life and work environment I often encounter patterns of
<br>
"English/American" speech and sound that are totally unintelligible to
me.
<br>
<br>
Living on Long Island I have encountered a local dialect, particularly
<br>
with groups of teen-to-adult that when I overhear them I have to admit
<br>
that I have absolutely no idea what they are saying. When I found out
<br>
that my son, in his mid 20's is fluent in the local dialect... by
<br>
overhearing him talking with a group of kids, I was amazed. We recently
<br>
heard together some girls talking on a local radio station and we both
<br>
agreed that they were using a local and distinctive speech pattern.
This
<br>
is 60 miles East from NYC and it is a dialect I have never heard in
<br>
years of wandering around in NYC. I am curious as to how to figure out
<br>
if it is traceable to either pre-colonial Dutch, English or Unkechaug
<br>
Algonquin influences.
<br>
<br>
And here is an example of playing with the notions of dialect...
<br>
<br>
Again it was night, Skeesuks had been with his thumb out on a road
<br>
somewhere between Tennessee and hell when a super charged black car
<br>
weaved itself down the interstate and came to a halt a hundred yards
<br>
farther down the road. Car stopped brake tail lights red in wet air.
<br>
Black car on a black night, mystery box with a surprise inside. Charged
<br>
in reverse up the incline towards Skeesuks in pursuit of the shoulder
<br>
half on, half off asphalt. Stopped again. A blonde head poked out the
<br>
passenger window. Whatever that head said Skeesuks could not make out.
<br>
No hesitation he got in, always into and out of cars. Tight fit with
<br>
seven and a quarter case of cheap beer.
<br>
<br>
They took off like an elbow rocket, the driver's arms braced against
the
<br>
wheel. FM radio roaring loud /Plastic Fantastic Lover/. Mad mad rush
<br>
into darkness. Two guys in the front, Skeesuks' age but like from
<br>
'nother planet, jib-jabbered at each other. The driver hit the wheel,
<br>
shakin' -- with his palms in time flat with the rock n' roll. From zero
<br>
Skeesuks looked round, saw that they topped over ninety, near
<br>
ninety-five on the dial. Friggin' fantastic. Shotgun rider shook his
<br>
head 'round like a dead rat shivrin' ina mutt dog's mouth. With a beer
<br>
can he motioned motioned towards the back seat. Loud the engine. The
car
<br>
hump swerved then lurched, swerved again forward. They could have been
<br>
talkin' dialect.
<br>
<br>
"You want one help yourself there buddy. We got plenty."
<br>
<br>
Skeesuks had no idea what the guy was trying to tell him. He got that
he
<br>
was being spoken to, that part was obvious. What was being said as far
<br>
as he was concerned was obscure. He kept listening.
<br>
<br>
"You want one help yourself there."
<br>
<br>
It was times like this Skeesuks knew there is a world of experience he
<br>
don't know. Listen. The frenzy in this rushed car shooting the dark
road
<br>
was one shift of time to space that wanted him the head to bite a
calico
<br>
kitten off. Twisted, listen. Just some experience that make even a best
<br>
person want to waffle -- laugh through it. Spit in the eye of the
devil.
<br>
Spit in the eye of God.
<br>
<br>
Skeesuks wondered there in the back seat who he was to know when he
spit
<br>
just whose eye it was that he spit on. Rules mean dip shit to death.
<br>
Sardine packing to come up quick enough around the corner or a next
bend
<br>
of road. Push the rod and hammer throttle.
<br>
<br>
Three of them in this dark machine, a Cougar, shot off towards their
grave.
<br>
<br>
Jethro and Tullie was AWOL from basic and they figured they had better
<br>
get home to their mamas pretty damn fast and that is why they kept
going
<br>
faster than skat shit with a wayward Skeesuks in tow. But it was a
short
<br>
trip. They left him off when they got to what looked like no town in
the
<br>
darkness. No place that he had not been already. They as quick drove
off
<br>
in another direction. Short skips and jumps and curious departures that
<br>
lead one to conspirate a secret order.
<br>
<br>
From back seat of a car the child watches the world pass around like
<br>
wind in a tunnel -- then it is as quickly gone like debris after a
<br>
perfect storm. Images of tree limbs, scattered leaves, rotted pumpkins,
<br>
broken corn stalks yellow left after a divine harvest to lie in a field
<br>
mixed with the brown mud and stone.
<br>
<br>
GO
<br>
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What do you think the trailer's for - adult videos?
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:58:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I had thought it was a movie trailer for a porn film, with Gab & Eti, the gay
hobbits.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
What does George W. "Dubya" Bush think about a constitutional amendment
limiting marriage of fictional characters, human or otherwise, to one (1) male and
one (1) female?
And what about my favorite animal, cockaroaches, which don't require a
cockaroach of the other gender to reproduce?
Maybe we should suggest that to him and that nice Ed Gillespie, kinda like
when Buck Henry went on Johnny Carson to promote wearing of pants by pets...I
mean, companion animals.
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:58:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, MetHisto=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I had thought it was a movie trail=
er for a porn film, with Gab & Eti, the gay hobbits. </FONT></BLOCK=
QUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.</F=
ONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>What does George W. "Dubya" Bush think ab=
out a constitutional amendment limiting marriage of fictional characters, hu=
man or otherwise, to one (1) male and one (1) female? </FONT></ST=
RONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>And what about my favorite animal, cockar=
oaches, which don't require a cockaroach of the other gender to reproduce?</=
FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Maybe we should suggest that to him and t=
hat nice Ed Gillespie, kinda like when Buck Henry went on Johnny Carson to p=
romote wearing of pants by pets...I mean, companion animals. </FONT></S=
TRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:01:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Thanks Ralph, you caused me to spend most of one morning looking a pictures
of shot towers. Ruth
Hope you enjoyed it. I didn't find them that interesting, but I'm glad you
did.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:01:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@S=
OVER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks Ralph, you caused me to spend most of o=
ne morning looking a pictures<BR>of shot towers. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUO=
TE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Hope you enjoyed it. I didn't find=20=
them that interesting, but I'm glad you did.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph -
What do you think the trailer's for - adult videos?
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] The biggest outhouse yet ....!
Can't we go back to discussing something less distasteful, like Pam's sex
life? Especially since she's offering us a trailer.
Ralph
Isn't there (at least theoretically) some worthy topic somewhere on the scale
between surplus trailers and Pam's sex life?
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@=
RIT.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid">
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D320=
490216-20022004>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D320490216-20=
022004></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D320=
490216-20022004>What do you think the trailer's for - adult videos?</SPAN></=
FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D320490216-20=
022004></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D320=
490216-20022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT=20=
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t=
an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. [mailto:BULLAMANKA-PINHEAD=
[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B>=
Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELS=
TROM.STJOHNS.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BP] The biggest outhouse yet ....!<=
BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040 size=3D2>Can't we go back to discussing s=
omething less distasteful, like Pam's sex life? Especially since she's=
offering us a trailer.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nb=
sp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040 size=3D2>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BLO=
CKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Isn't there (at least theoretically) =
;some worthy topic some</FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>where o=
n the scale between surplus trailers and Pam's sex life?</FONT></S=
TRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:25:19 -0800
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I had only looked at the subject line. I once bought and lived in a house
trailer for which I paid $1000. Ruth
At 10:16 AM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
When I saw this I thought it was a house trailer as they were discussed
here some time back. Ruth
Ruth,
For 900 bucks, you want a HOUSE trailer? Pam may have married an
Englishman, but that doesn't mean she's completely stupid.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:23:54 -0800
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Shot towers?
Do any of you people know what GDW means in regards to building material?
Somewhere, maybe even on this list, I saw mentioned something being 60 mi
east of NYC, wouldn't that be in the middle of the ocean somewhere?
I got this piece from another list I'm on and thought you folks might find
it interesting. How much does such real estate sell for now?
From the "New York Times" (New York, N.Y.), 19 February 1859, page 4:
REAL ESTATE.--The speculation in lots near the Central Park is
increasing instead of abating, as many predicted that before this
time it would do. Indeed, the speculative feeling was never so high
as it is at present. One fact, illustrative of the demand for real
estate in that vicinity, is worth mentioning. Yesterday, six lots on
the south-east corner of Fifth-avenue and Sixty fourth-street--four
of them fronting the avenue--sold for $17,500. For the information of
distant readers we may mention that the lots are 25 feet by 100, and
that the property referred to is four and a half miles above the City
Hall. It was purchased on speculation. There is a wide-spread and
eager desire to get hold of land in the Central Park region--the
belief prevailing that when finished, will constitute a paramount
attraction, and that the highest prices as yet paid, however
extravagant they may be deemed, are far below what will eventually be
realized.
It is not to be concealed, however, that there are two opinions in
regard to this matter. One class of our capitalists refrain wholly
from the investments in question, regarding them as extravagant, and,
to a large extent, visionary. But the other class, equally shrewd and
judicious, have no such fears. On the contrary, they think they
clearly see the road to fortune in the path they are pursuing. A
large number who have bought lots near the Park hold them for their
own use, and are ready to build costly edifices the moment the
streets in that quarter of the City are graded and sewered. Until
this is done building is, of course, out of the question. Little
time, however, will be lost in effecting these improvements, or in
pushing forward the completion of the Park itself; and ere long that
region, though formerly regarded as very far "up-town," will be
filled with wealth and magnificence.
Those topics should keep you guys busy for a while and give Pam's sex life
a rest. Ruth
At 12:23 PM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Isn't there (at least theoretically) some worthy topic somewhere on the
scale between surplus trailers and Pam's sex life?
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:27:40 -0500
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Besides the fact that I'm not the one selling it. RIT is selling it, I =
was just passing it along in case anyone was interested.
Jeez - try to help your fellow pinhead, and look what ya get! :)
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ruth =
Barton
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:25 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] FW: Trailer for Sale - closed bid
I had only looked at the subject line. I once bought and lived in a =
house trailer for which I paid $1000. Ruth
At 10:16 AM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
When I saw this I thought it was a house trailer as they were discussed =
here some time back. Ruth
Ruth,
For 900 bucks, you want a HOUSE trailer? Pam may have married an =
Englishman, but that doesn't mean she's completely stupid.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:44:15 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:26:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Do any of you people know what GDW means in regards to building material? Not
I, said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw. MDO is "medium
density overlay" plywood. GFRC is "glass fiber reinforced concrete." Any idea of
what any of the letters in GDW stand for, or can you tell us in what context
the term was used?
Somewhere, maybe even on this list, I saw mentioned something being 60 mi
east of NYC, wouldn't that be in the middle of the ocean somewhere? There's
something the locals call "Lawn Gyland" that many people consider to extend 60
miles (and probably more) east of NYC. ][<en lives there, and he was probably
raving about some person, place or thing located 60 mi east of NYC.
I've been there, but never cared for it (tends to be flat and linear), and
can't imagine why anyone in his/her right mind would want to live on an island
that for all practical purposes can't be exited except via bridges and tunnels
leading to the notorious bottleneck known as Manhattan, which is also an
island and which also can only be exited via bridges and tunnels.
Mr. Flexible
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:26:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SO=
VER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Do any of you people know what GDW means in re=
gards to building material? <STRONG>Not I, said the blind man as he picked u=
p his hammer and saw. MDO is "medium density overlay" plywood. GF=
RC is "glass fiber reinforced concrete." Any idea of what any of the l=
etters in GDW stand for, or can you tell us in what context the term was use=
d?</STRONG><BR><BR>Somewhere, maybe even on this list, I saw mentioned somet=
hing being 60 mi<BR>east of NYC, wouldn't that be in the middle of the ocean=
somewhere? <STRONG>There's something the locals call "Lawn Gyland" that man=
y people consider to extend 60 miles (and probably more) east of NYC. =20=
][<en lives there, and he was probably raving about some person, place or=
thing located 60 mi east of NYC.</STRONG></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>I've been there, but never cared for it (ten=
ds to be flat and linear), and can't imagine why anyone in his/her righ=
t mind would want to live on an island that for all practical purp=
oses can't be exited except via bridges and tunnels leading to the notorious=
bottleneck known as Manhattan, which is also an island and which also can o=
nly be exited via bridges and tunnels. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Mr. Flexible</STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:46:03 EST
Reply-To: "This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting."
<[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:28:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
Jeez - try to help your fellow pinhead, and look what ya get! :)
Pam,
This comes as a surprise to you?????
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:28:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@R=
IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Jeez - try to help your fellow pinhead, and lo=
ok what ya get! :)</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Pam,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>This comes as a surprise to you????? =
; </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:47:44 -0500
Reply-To: "This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting."
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From: "Stevenson, Pamela" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: The biggest outhouse yet ....!
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Sure - polkas.
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
[log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] The biggest outhouse yet ....!
=09
=09
In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Ralph -
=20
What do you think the trailer's for - adult videos?
=20
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: This isn`t an orifice, it`s help with fluorescent lighting. =
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of =
[log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:19 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [BP] The biggest outhouse yet ....!
=09
=09
Can't we go back to discussing something less distasteful, like Pam's =
sex life? Especially since she's offering us a trailer.
=20
Ralph
Isn't there (at least theoretically) some worthy topic somewhere on the =
scale between surplus trailers and Pam's sex life?
=20
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orifice,=20
it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 20, 2004 12:23=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [BP] The biggest outhouse yet ....!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 11:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:</DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D320490216-20022004>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D320490216-20022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D320490216-20022004>What do you think the trailer's for - =
adult=20
videos?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D320490216-20022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D320490216-20022004>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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[BP] The=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Can't we go back to discussing =
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some</FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT=20
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and Pam's=20
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Could it be Gypsum Dry Wall?
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This note seemed to fit in with several threads of BP preservationist
discussion, so I forward it from a Children's Museums-listserv. Seems like
everyone deals with universal archetypal themes these days.
Cheers,
cp in bc
----- Original Message -----
From: "marypaz" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "CHILDMUS - A Forum for Children's Museum Professionals (E-mail)"
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Subject: [CHILDMUS] baby dolls
> Has anyone had any luck with a particular brand of rubber, life size,
> anatomically "correct" baby doll?
>
> I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time reattaching legs. For awhile,
> it seemed to be only the boy babies requiring surgery, making me fear for
> the mental health of our young female visitors, but luckily(?) a girl baby
> doll just got deposited on my desk. In two pieces, of course.
>
> Thanks.
>
> marypaz
> Director of Exhibits and Cultural Programs
> Dallas Children's Museum
> 972-386-6555 ext 24
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:57:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
Sure - polkas.
Ralph,
In my book, not to be confused with Chrif'f bookf, discussing polkas is
closer to the trailer end of the scale than to the your-sex-life end of the scale.
No confirmation required.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:57:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@R=
IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>In my book, not to be confused with=20=
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ale than to the your-sex-life end of the scale. No confirmation r=
equired.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:17:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Could it be Gypsum Dry Wall?
Good guess, Mr. Woodcutter. Let's see whether Ruth can confirm this.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:52:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Has anyone had any luck with a particular brand of rubber, life size,
> anatomically "correct" baby doll?
I hear there are some people who have had lots of luck with rubber, life
size, anatomically correct adult female dolls.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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Sorry, I haven't been in the market for such an item so I have no knowledge
of which brand--there's more than one??--will stand up to kids best. I
hope these kids don't have baby siblings. Ruth
At 11:47 AM -0800 2/20/04, Cuyler Page wrote:
>This note seemed to fit in with several threads of BP preservationist
>discussion, so I forward it from a Children's Museums-listserv. Seems like
>everyone deals with universal archetypal themes these days.
>
>Cheers,
>cp in bc
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "marypaz" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: "CHILDMUS - A Forum for Children's Museum Professionals (E-mail)"
><[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:11 AM
>Subject: [CHILDMUS] baby dolls
>
>
>> Has anyone had any luck with a particular brand of rubber, life size,
>> anatomically "correct" baby doll?
>>
>> I seem to spend an inordinate amount of time reattaching legs. For awhile,
>> it seemed to be only the boy babies requiring surgery, making me fear for
>> the mental health of our young female visitors, but luckily(?) a girl baby
>> doll just got deposited on my desk. In two pieces, of course.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> marypaz
>> Director of Exhibits and Cultural Programs
>> Dallas Children's Museum
>> 972-386-6555 ext 24
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
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I think Mr Holtzschnitzer has probably got it right. This is in a booklet
that somebody made up proposing what they will do on a building project. I
thought I had put it "right where I'd know where to find it" but now I
can't find it at the moment. It isn't on the bookshelf next to the
genealogy books and it isn't on the bookshelf next to the Grateful Dead
Anthology, that I only have because somebody told me it might be valuable
someday, so I don't know where it is. Does anybody know the value of a
Grateful Dead Anthology and if it might be valuable someday or should I
toss it in the dustbin now? Ruth
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 2:17:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Could it be Gypsum Dry Wall?
Good guess, Mr. Woodcutter. Let's see whether Ruth can confirm this.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 8:16:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Does anybody know the value of a
Grateful Dead Anthology and if it might be valuable someday or should I
toss it in the dustbin now?
Ruth,
Duhhhhhh....if you'll tell me whether this is what we all [except maybe
Heidi, but she has probably heard tell of these quaint artifacts) used to call a
"record," or whether it's a literary tome, and what condition it's in, I'll
check eBay for you.
Or you can check eBay yourself; just go to ebay.com and where it asks what
you're searching for, tell them "grateful dead anthology" with quotes around it
as I wrote it.
Ralph
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it in the dustbin now?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Duhhhhhh....if you'll tell me whether thi=
s is what we all [except maybe Heidi, but she has probably heard tell of the=
se quaint artifacts) used to call a "record," or whether it's a litera=
ry tome, and what condition it's in, I'll check eBay for you. </FONT></=
STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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dead anthology" with quotes around it as I wrote it. </FONT></STRONG></=
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Ruth,
eBay has several of these (a 250 page songbook for any of you, like me, who
is not up-to-date on 1970's culture) up for auction at the moment, ranging in
price from $2 (on which nobody has yet bid) to $20 (on which somebody has bid.)
I wouldn't count on your copy to finance very much of your retirement.
Advise you start sorting through the old screwdrivers.
Sorry.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>eBay has several of these (a 250 page son=
gbook for any of you, like me, who is not up-to-date on 1970's culture) up f=
or auction at the moment, ranging in price from $2 (on which nobody has yet=20=
bid) to $20 (on which somebody <U>has</U> bid.)</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>I wouldn't count on your copy to finance=20=
very much of your retirement. Advise you start sorting through the old=
screwdrivers.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Sorry.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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The eBay thing is beyond my intelligence, at least computer wise, I leave
that to other, younger folk. It is a music book, words and music just like
the old sheet music we used to get. I don't know how many songs but quite
a lot. It is used, make that worn, but appears to be all there. The cover
has a picture that gives me the creeps, that usually means it is worth more
according to my son. Now you know all I know about this book, oh yes, it
is quite big over, I'd say about 11"x 15" or so. Ruth
At 8:21 PM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Ruth,
Duhhhhhh....if you'll tell me whether this is what we all [except maybe
Heidi, but she has probably heard tell of these quaint artifacts) used to
call a "record," or whether it's a literary tome, and what condition it's
in, I'll check eBay for you.
Or you can check eBay yourself; just go to ebay.com and where it asks what
you're searching for, tell them "grateful dead anthology" with quotes
around it as I wrote it.
Ralph
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Ruth,
Ebay is no big deal. If I can figure it out, anybody can figure it out, and
you're no dope, anyway.
On the other hand, it may well be smart to stay away from it, since I have
done an awful lot of shopping there. On the other other hand, it's been LOTS of
fun. It's like having a worldwide fleamarket in your computer.
You go to ebay.com and on the screen that comes up, it asks "what are you
looking for?" And you can type in any damn thing you want, including "Grateful
Dead Anthology," "historic preservation," or "christopher gray" (but you have
to click on "titles and descriptions, or you'll get nothing on that last one)
which will take you to a bunch of porno (or at least educational) movies with
Reese Witherspoon.
You could look it up.
Ralph
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ebay is no big deal. If I can figur=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>On the other hand, it may well be smart t=
o stay away from it, since I have done an awful lot of shopping there. =
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rldwide fleamarket in your computer.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>You go to ebay.com and on the screen that=
comes up, it asks "what are you looking for?" And you can type in any=
damn thing you want, including "Grateful Dead Anthology," "historic p=
reservation," or "christopher gray" (but you have to click on "titles a=
nd descriptions, or you'll get nothing on that last one) which will take you=
to a bunch of porno (or at least educational) movies with Reese Witherspoon=
.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>You could look it up.</FONT></STRONG></DI=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:38:09 -0800
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Thanks Ralph, I needed something to line the canary cage with anyway. The
book wasn't mine I picked it up at school when some faculty member moved
out and left it behind. Probably the musician guy who left dishes in the
cupboard with cat poop in them. I was not amused. Ruth
At 8:30 PM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Ruth,
eBay has several of these (a 250 page songbook for any of you, like me, who
is not up-to-date on 1970's culture) up for auction at the moment, ranging
in price from $2 (on which nobody has yet bid) to $20 (on which somebody
has bid.)
I wouldn't count on your copy to finance very much of your retirement.
Advise you start sorting through the old screwdrivers.
Sorry.
Ralph
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Cuyler,
I'm involved in a contest in the online writing workshop that I play at
and I had to write a story to compete blind against another author,
representing a team of authors... your comments on baby dolls is
interesting as my story is about Ken being raving mad at Barbie for
breaking up with him for the Aussie boogie boarder Blaine. The story is
somewhat sexually explicit... as explicit as two horny dolls that have
been going at it for 43 years can get I suppose, and I will share it
with the brave and non-prudish. Though I will say in self defense that
not once does the story use the F word as seems to be so popular with
wanna-be short story authors. There is a great scene of bedlam in the end.
][<en
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In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Thanks Ralph, I needed something to line the canary cage with anyway. The
book wasn't mine I picked it up at school when some faculty member moved
out and left it behind. Probably the musician guy who left dishes in the
cupboard with cat poop in them. I was not amused. Ruth
Well, at least I got a laugh out of him. Or it.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/20/2004 10:06:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@S=
OVER.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Thanks Ralph, I needed something to line the c=
anary cage with anyway. The<BR>book wasn't mine I picked it up at scho=
ol when some faculty member moved<BR>out and left it behind. Probably=20=
the musician guy who left dishes in the<BR>cupboard with cat poop in them.&n=
bsp; I was not amused. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Well, at least I got a laugh out of him.&=
nbsp; Or it.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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Oh Ken, please do share your story!! Barbie and Ken are always good for a
story. Ruth
At 11:00 PM -0500 2/20/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>Cuyler,
>
>I'm involved in a contest in the online writing workshop that I play at
>and I had to write a story to compete blind against another author,
>representing a team of authors... your comments on baby dolls is
>interesting as my story is about Ken being raving mad at Barbie for
>breaking up with him for the Aussie boogie boarder Blaine. The story is
>somewhat sexually explicit... as explicit as two horny dolls that have
>been going at it for 43 years can get I suppose, and I will share it
>with the brave and non-prudish. Though I will say in self defense that
>not once does the story use the F word as seems to be so popular with
>wanna-be short story authors. There is a great scene of bedlam in the end.
>
>][<en
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I figured it was long on account of the name, but I didn't realize it was
THAT long!!!! Ruth
At 1:44 PM -0500 2/20/04, [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/2004 1:26:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Somewhere, maybe even on this list, I saw mentioned something being 60 mi
east of NYC, wouldn't that be in the middle of the ocean somewhere? There's
something the locals call "Lawn Gyland" that many people consider to extend
60 miles (and probably more) east of NYC. ][<en lives there, and he was
probably raving about some person, place or thing located 60 mi east of NYC.
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In a message dated 2/21/2004 4:58:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
I figured it was long on account of the name, but I didn't realize it was
THAT long!!!! Ruth
Ruth,
Well, even though the part of it I saw in an open grave was all yellowish
sand and gravel, you wouldn't want it to fall on your head, that's for sure. It
does appear to be about 60 miles long from Brooklyn to Montauk, and 15-20
miles in the north-south direction.
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Well, even though the part of it I saw in=
an open grave was all yellowish sand and gravel, you wouldn't want it to fa=
ll on your head, that's for sure. It does appear to be about 60 miles=20=
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tion.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/2004 4:58:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I figured it was long on account of the name, but I didn't realize
> it was
> THAT long!!!! Ruth
>
> *Ruth,*
> **
> *Well, even though the part of it I saw in an open grave was all
> yellowish sand and gravel, you wouldn't want it to fall on your head,
> that's for sure. It does appear to be about 60 miles long from
> Brooklyn to Montauk, and 15-20 miles in the north-south direction.*
> **
> *Ralph*
How about more like 130 miles long frm Minihattan to The End?
I live 65 miles out and that is roughly halfway to the end.
][<en
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In a message dated 2/21/2004 8:44:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
How about more like 130 miles long frm Minihattan to The End?
I live 65 miles out and that is roughly halfway to the end.
So I can't read the scale on a map. Big deal. Who cares? There are probably
lots of stupid people who can't figure out the scale on a map. Uhhh, wait a
minute....
Since when is it necessary for an architect to be able to understand a map,
or any other sort of drawing? Uhhhh, wait a minute.....
Besides, I don't even live there. If I need to know how far it is, I'll ask
][<en.
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@OPTONLINE.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>How about more like 130 miles long frm Minihat=
tan to The End?<BR>I live 65 miles out and that is roughly halfway to the en=
d.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>So I can't read the scale on a map. =
Big deal. Who cares? There are probably lots of stupid people who can=
't figure out the scale on a map. Uhhh, wait a minute....</F=
ONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Since when is it necessary for an archite=
ct to be able to understand a map, or any other sort of drawing? Uhhhh=
, wait a minute.....</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Besides, I don't even live there. I=
f I need to know how far it is, I'll ask ][<en.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Oh, that is a long train ride, no wonder folks dislike the trip into the
city so much. I had pictured it being about 30 miles or so. Ruth
At 8:44 PM -0500 2/21/04, Gabriel Orgrease wrote:
>How about more like 130 miles long frm Minihattan to The End?
>I live 65 miles out and that is roughly halfway to the end.
>
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So, I was looking for some info on Kerry and his speach in '71 before =
the Senate (w/Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, & Javits) and got =
a lot of links one of which was a pdf file =
(www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf) which is the testemony but =
google also listed a lot more =
www.cwes01.com........................pdf's that turned out to be mostly =
Merryl Lynch research studies of software buying for the top 50 =
companies and related stuff which I coudn't figure out the connection.
So then I googled cwes01 and got another bunch of links one of which was =
SAP VENTURES (a blog site - www.sapventures.com) but still no direct =
reference to cwes01.
Then I did another search and came to a search engine (perfectnav.com) =
which when I typed in cwes01 got another list of stuff but nothing that =
tells me anything about cwes01.
Anyone got info?
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href=3D"http://www.cwes01.com........................pdf's">www.cwes01.co=
m........................pdf's</A>=20
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the=20
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In a message dated 2/22/2004 6:38:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Oh, that is a long train ride, no wonder folks dislike the trip into the
city so much. I had pictured it being about 30 miles or so. Ruth
Ruth,
Imagine it as a drive at rush hour, surrounded by Noo Yawkuhs the whole way,
dodging potholes. And other kids of -holes.
Ralph
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2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Oh, that is a long train ride, no wonder folks=
dislike the trip into the<BR>city so much. I had pictured it being ab=
out 30 miles or so. Ruth</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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kids of -holes.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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In a message dated 2/22/2004 2:00:58 AM Central Standard Time,
Ken writes
> I'm involved in a contest in the online writing workshop that I play at
> >and I had to write a story to compete blind against another author,
> >representing a team of authors...
>
> Please send so I can read the op ed of the humor czar ; as for my writing
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Jim, What does cwes01 mean? Ruth
At 10:02 AM -0500 2/22/04, Jim Hicks wrote:
So, I was looking for some info on Kerry and his speach in '71 before the
Senate (w/Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, & Javits) and got a lot
of links one of which was a pdf file
(<http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf>www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf)
which is the testemony but google also listed a lot more
<http://www.cwes01.com........................pdf's>www.cwes01.com........................pdf's
that turned out to be mostly Merryl Lynch research studies of software
buying for the top 50 companies and related stuff which I coudn't figure
out the connection.
So then I googled cwes01 and got another bunch of links one of which was
SAP VENTURES (a blog site -
<http://www.sapventures.com>www.sapventures.com) but still no direct
reference to cwes01.
Then I did another search and came to a search engine (perfectnav.com)
which when I typed in cwes01 got another list of stuff but nothing that
tells me anything about cwes01.
Anyone got info?
jh
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/22/2004 6:38:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Oh, that is a long train ride, no wonder folks dislike the trip
> into the
> city so much. I had pictured it being about 30 miles or so. Ruth
>
> *Ruth,*
> **
> *Imagine it as a drive at rush hour, surrounded by Noo Yawkuhs the
> whole way, dodging potholes. And other kids of -holes.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Then imagine that I did it Mon-Fri for 12+ years averaging 5 hours per
working day of commuting.
As in the past religious cults were born in prisons, in the future they
will be born by long distance commuters.
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In a message dated 2/22/2004 7:43:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Then imagine that I did it Mon-Fri for 12+ years averaging 5 hours per
working day of commuting.
My point exactly.
Ralph
PS-- Now we know why he asked about the iron spot brick.
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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Here's another technical query from down under.
I've recently been challenged to provide justification
for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
sandstone.
In the process of searching for papers or articles
documenting research into the performance of such
patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't
seem to be much information about ANY form of patch
for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
(collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
even dutchman (indents).
So, my request is for any suggested published sources
that provide information about the longer-term
performance of patching materials in sandstone.
Thanks
David
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:49:06 -0500
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That's what I'm trying to find out. If you go to http://www.cwes01.com you
only get an error message. If you google "cwes01" you get a collection of
links but nothing that defines cwes01.
jh
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Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:33 PM
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> Jim, What does cwes01 mean? Ruth
>
>
> At 10:02 AM -0500 2/22/04, Jim Hicks wrote:
> So, I was looking for some info on Kerry and his speach in '71 before the
> Senate (w/Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, & Javits) and got a lot
> of links one of which was a pdf file
>
(<http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf>www.cwes01.com/13790/239
10/ktpp179-210.pdf)
> which is the testemony but google also listed a lot more
>
<http://www.cwes01.com........................pdf's>www.cwes01.com..........
..............pdf's
> that turned out to be mostly Merryl Lynch research studies of software
> buying for the top 50 companies and related stuff which I coudn't figure
> out the connection.
> So then I googled cwes01 and got another bunch of links one of which was
> SAP VENTURES (a blog site -
> <http://www.sapventures.com>www.sapventures.com) but still no direct
> reference to cwes01.
> Then I did another search and came to a search engine (perfectnav.com)
> which when I typed in cwes01 got another list of stuff but nothing that
> tells me anything about cwes01.
> Anyone got info?
> jh
>
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Whois search <http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml>
tells us:
Registrant:
Cable & Wireless PLC (QIJSKTQPLD)
124 Theobalds Road
London, UK WC1X 8RX
UK
Domain Name: CWES01.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
hostmaster, hostmaster (35843943P) [log in to unmask]
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Tinton Falls, NJ 07712
US
732-389-3900
Record expires on 12-Oct-2004.
Record created on 12-Oct-2001.
Database last updated on 23-Feb-2004 10:56:19 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.XPEDITE.COM 137.236.4.7
NS2.XPEDITE.COM 137.236.4.11
Why they have a pdf of Kerry's testimony only they can tell you.
__________________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:49 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> That's what I'm trying to find out. If you go to=20
> http://www.cwes01.com you only get an error message. If you=20
> google "cwes01" you get a collection of links but nothing=20
> that defines cwes01. jh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [BP] cwes01
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> > Jim, What does cwes01 mean? Ruth
> >
> >
> > At 10:02 AM -0500 2/22/04, Jim Hicks wrote:
> > So, I was looking for some info on Kerry and his speach in=20
> '71 before=20
> > the Senate (w/Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, &=20
> Javits) and=20
> > got a lot of links one of which was a pdf file
> >
> (<http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf>www.cwes01
.com/13790/239
10/ktpp179-210.pdf)
> which is the testemony but google also listed a lot more
>
<http://www.cwes01.com........................pdf's>www.cwes01.com......
....
..............pdf's
> that turned out to be mostly Merryl Lynch research studies of software
> buying for the top 50 companies and related stuff which I coudn't=20
> figure out the connection. So then I googled cwes01 and got another=20
> bunch of links one of which was SAP VENTURES (a blog site -
> <http://www.sapventures.com>www.sapventures.com) but still no direct
> reference to cwes01.
> Then I did another search and came to a search engine (perfectnav.com)
> which when I typed in cwes01 got another list of stuff but nothing
that
> tells me anything about cwes01.
> Anyone got info?
> jh
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Subject: Re: cwes01 What is "bassett hound" in French?
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In a message dated, [log in to unmask] writes:
Why they have a pdf of Kerry's testimony only they can tell you.
Because he is French-looking, and England is near France. c
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Because he is French-looking, and England is near France.
All I know is, there's a place in France where the ladies wear no pants.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:13:21 -0700
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David,
Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your hands on
them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.
"Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. & Thomasen, S. in
"Durability of Building Materials and Components," proceedings of the Fifth
International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.
"Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone Restoration
Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41
"Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown Sandstone at the
Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68
"Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and Drawbacks"
by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21
"Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and Klaus J. H.
Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39
Regards,
Dave Woodham
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From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
> Here's another technical query from down under.
>
> I've recently been challenged to provide justification
> for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
> mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
> sandstone.
>
> In the process of searching for papers or articles
> documenting research into the performance of such
> patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't
> seem to be much information about ANY form of patch
> for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
> cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
> (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
> even dutchman (indents).
>
> So, my request is for any suggested published sources
> that provide information about the longer-term
> performance of patching materials in sandstone.
>
> Thanks
>
> David
>
> Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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Don't forget the Iraqi median terrorists in '91 trying to make us =
believe they just had a car breakdown!
- Pam
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gabriel =
Orgrease
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:42 PM
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/22/2004 6:38:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Oh, that is a long train ride, no wonder folks dislike the trip
> into the
> city so much. I had pictured it being about 30 miles or so. Ruth
>
> *Ruth,*
> **
> *Imagine it as a drive at rush hour, surrounded by Noo Yawkuhs the
> whole way, dodging potholes. And other kids of -holes.*
> **
> *Ralph*
Then imagine that I did it Mon-Fri for 12+ years averaging 5 hours per =
working day of commuting.
As in the past religious cults were born in prisons, in the future they =
will be born by long distance commuters.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:58:36 -0500
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It's amazing how some people boast about the colour of their star. It =
took me 3 years even to get a star.
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Signed -
=20
Pam "Sometimes uses ebay but she's not an addict" Stevenson
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=09
=09
Ruth,
=20
Ebay is no big deal. If I can figure it out, anybody can figure it =
out, and you're no dope, anyway.
=20
On the other hand, it may well be smart to stay away from it, since I =
have done an awful lot of shopping there. On the other other hand, it's =
been LOTS of fun. It's like having a worldwide fleamarket in your =
computer.
=20
You go to ebay.com and on the screen that comes up, it asks "what are =
you looking for?" And you can type in any damn thing you want, =
including "Grateful Dead Anthology," "historic preservation," or =
"christopher gray" (but you have to click on "titles and descriptions, =
or you'll get nothing on that last one) which will take you to a bunch =
of porno (or at least educational) movies with Reese Witherspoon.
=20
You could look it up.
=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D000525719-23022004>It's amazing how some people boast about the =
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star.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D000525719-23022004>Signed -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN=20
class=3D000525719-23022004></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><SPAN =
class=3D000525719-23022004>Pam=20
"Sometimes uses ebay but she's not an addict" =
Stevenson</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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lang=3Den-us><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> This isn`t an =
orifice,=20
it`s help with fluorescent lighting.=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 20, 2004 9:27=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[BP] ebay<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ruth,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ebay is no big deal. If I can =
figure it=20
out, anybody can figure it out, and you're no dope,=20
anyway.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>On the other hand, it may well be =
smart to=20
stay away from it, since I have done an awful lot of shopping =
there. On=20
the other other hand, it's been LOTS of fun. It's like having a=20
worldwide fleamarket in your computer.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>You go to ebay.com and on the =
screen that=20
comes up, it asks "what are you looking for?" And you can type =
in any=20
damn thing you want, including "Grateful Dead Anthology," =
"historic=20
preservation," or "christopher gray" (but you have to click on =
"titles=20
and descriptions, or you'll get nothing on that last one) which will =
take you=20
to a bunch of porno (or at least educational) movies with Reese=20
Witherspoon.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>You could look it =
up.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT=20
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:05:24 EST
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In a message dated 2/23/2004 2:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
It's amazing how some people boast about the colour of their star. It took
me 3 years even to get a star.
Star? Colour of star?
Now I'll have to look to see whether I have one (I don't think I do, but how
come you have one and I don't??), and what color it is. Mrs. Ralph (while
that's still her title) will not be happy to hear that I haven't done enough on
eBay.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2004 2:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, pssisd@R=
IT.EDU writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Star? Colour of star? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I'll have to look to see whether I have one (I don't think I do, bu=
t how come you have one and I don't??), and what color it is. Mr=
s. Ralph (while that's still her title) will not be happy to hear that I hav=
en't done enough on eBay.</DIV>
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In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Star? Colour of star?
Now I'll have to look to see whether I have one (I don't think I do, but how
come you have one and I don't??), and what color it is. Mrs. Ralph (while
that's still her title) will not be happy to hear that I haven't done enough on
eBay.
You may all relax now. Turns out my star is turquoise-- I have from 100-500
feedbacks; 237 or so, to be approximately precise.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, RLWALTR@=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Star? Colour of star? </FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I'll have to look to see whether I have=
one (I don't think I do, but how come you have one and I don't??), and what=
color it is. Mrs. Ralph (while that's still her title) will not=
be happy to hear that I haven't done enough on eBay.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUO=
TE></DIV>
<DIV>You may all relax now. Turns out my star is turquoise-- I have from 100=
-500 feedbacks; 237 or so, to be approximately precise. </DIV>
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Subject: Re: [BP] "Lawn Gyland"
And then imagine your tax dollars being wasted in discussion of=20
emergency evacuation plans in the event that some nuke plant in CT=20
redlines or if a tsunami was sited on accuweather...
How LI ddidn't make the worst bottlenecks reported @ CNN last week is=20
beyond me--
my suspicsion is that NYC and it's environs are just Brown skinned=20
people who voted for Gore and that DC could give a damn about us...
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>Don't forget the Iraqi median terrorists in '91 trying to make us=20
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>
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In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:19:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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And then imagine your tax dollars being wasted in discussion of
emergency evacuation plans Wouldja rather they didn't discuss evacuation? in
the event that some nuke plant in CT
redlines or if a tsunami was sited on accuweather...
How LI ddidn't make the worst bottlenecks reported @ CNN last week is
beyond me-- Since the whole goddam island is bottle-shaped to begin with,
what the hell do you expect except bottlenecks on the way out, fer Chrisskes?
In my book, you assholes who live on the Guyland are every bit as stupid as the
idiots who live in fire zones, or floodplains, or barrier islands, or on
eroding cliffs-- or the entire state of Florida. (Earthquakes are another matter,
however; they are an infrequent-enough risk for a reasonable person might take)
my suspicsion is that NYC and it's environs are just Brown skinned
people Or may as well be brown-skinned who voted for Gore and that DC could
give a damn about us...I dunno that it's DC--I'd say it's more like Bush and
his boys (notice I didn't say girls; I don't think there are any).
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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didn't discuss evacuation?</STRONG> in the event that some nuke plant=20=
in CT <BR>redlines or if a tsunami was sited on accuweather...<BR>How LI ddi=
dn't make the worst bottlenecks reported @ CNN last week is <BR>beyond me--=20=
<STRONG>Since the whole goddam island is bottle-shaped to begin with, =20=
what the hell do you expect except bottlenecks on the way out, fer Chrisskes=
? In my book, you assholes who live on the Guyland are every bit as st=
upid as the idiots who live in fire zones, or floodplains, or barrier i=
slands, or on eroding cliffs-- or the entire state of Florida. (Earthquakes=20=
are another matter, however; they are an infrequent-enough risk fo=
r a reasonable person might take)</STRONG><BR>my suspicsion is that NYC and=20=
it's environs are just Brown skinned <BR>people <STRONG>Or may as well be br=
own-skinned </STRONG>who voted for Gore and that DC could give a damn about=20=
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...Chicago. --Christopher
Upcoming photography lecture:
"Magnitogorsk Metal Kombinat: Stalin's 'Pittsburgh of the East'"
April 13, 2004
Established in the 1920s during the Bolsheviks' campaign of
industrialization, the Magnitogorsk Metal Kombinat is the largest steel mill
plant in the world. Stretching thirteen miles in the remote Urals, the plant
formed the center of a city of 500,000, built using mostly forced labor. The
Magnitogorsk Metal Kombinat was a great achievement of engineering and
socialist ideals, and also became highly influential to the Bauhaus and
International style movements.
In this lecture, Andrew Garn, a New York-based photographer who spent two
weeks in Siberia, will show his black-and-white photographs of the plant.
Garn's images focus on the architecture of the Magnitogorsk Metal
Kombinat-the blast furnaces, welding shops, soaking pits, combination mills,
and the other hundreds of buildings designed for the fabrication of steel
products-and also poignantly capture the work culture of the steel mill.
This Graham Foundation lecture, "Magnitogorsk Metal Kombinat: Stalin's
'Pittsburgh of the East'," takes place on Tuesday, April 13 at the Arts Club
of Chicago, 201 E. Ontario, Chicago, IL. The lecture begins at 6pm (doors
open at 5pm) and is free and open to the public. Inquiries about the program
should be directed to the Graham Foundation at tel. 312.787.4071.
Andrew Garn's work has appeared in The New York Times Magazine, Fortune, Ell=
e=20
D=E9cor, Time, and Der Spiegel, among many other magazines. His photographs=20
have been shown in numerous solo and group exhibitions. Garn's most recent=20
publications are Bethlehem Steel, which featured his photographs of a now-de=
funct=20
steel plant in eastern Pennsylvania (Princeton
Architectural Press, 1999) and The Houseboat Book, just released by Rizzoli.
He is currently working on a book and exhibition celebrating the 100th
anniversary of the New York City subway system and, with support from the
New York State Council for the Arts, a photographic documentation of prison
architecture in the U.S. and Canada.
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<DIV>Upcoming photography lecture:<BR>"Magnitogorsk Metal Kombinat: St=
alin's 'Pittsburgh of the East'"<BR>April 13, 2004<BR><BR>Established in the=
1920s during the Bolsheviks' campaign of<BR>industrialization, the Magnitog=
orsk Metal Kombinat is the largest steel mill<BR>plant in the world. Stretch=
ing thirteen miles in the remote Urals, the plant<BR>formed the center of a=20=
city of 500,000, built using mostly forced labor. The<BR>Magnitogorsk Metal=20=
Kombinat was a great achievement of engineering and<BR>socialist ideals, and=
also became highly influential to the Bauhaus and<BR>International style mo=
vements.<BR><BR>In this lecture, Andrew Garn, a New York-based photographer=20=
who spent two<BR>weeks in Siberia, will show his black-and-white photographs=
of the plant.<BR>Garn's images focus on the architecture of the Magnitogors=
k Metal<BR>Kombinat-the blast furnaces, welding shops, soaking pits, combina=
tion mills,<BR>and the other hundreds of buildings designed for the fabricat=
ion of steel<BR>products-and also poignantly capture the work culture of the=
steel mill.<BR><BR>This Graham Foundation lecture, "Magnitogorsk Metal Komb=
inat: Stalin's<BR>'Pittsburgh of the East'," takes place on Tuesday, A=
pril 13 at the Arts Club<BR>of Chicago, 201 E. Ontario, Chicago, IL. The lec=
ture begins at 6pm (doors<BR>open at 5pm) and is free and open to the public=
. Inquiries about the program<BR>should be directed to the Graham Foundation=
at tel. 312.787.4071.<BR><BR>Andrew Garn's work has appeared in The New Yor=
k Times Magazine, Fortune, Elle D=E9cor, Time, and Der Spiegel, among many o=
ther magazines. His photographs have been shown in numerous solo and group e=
xhibitions. Garn's most recent publications are Bethlehem Steel, which featu=
red his photographs of a now-defunct steel plant in eastern Pennsylvania (Pr=
inceton<BR>Architectural Press, 1999) and The Houseboat Book, just released=20=
by Rizzoli.<BR>He is currently working on a book and exhibition celebrating=20=
the 100th<BR>anniversary of the New York City subway system and, with suppor=
t from the<BR>New York State Council for the Arts, a photographic documentat=
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> who spent two weeks in Siberia
Seems modest. Better than spending two weeks at Chernobyl.
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What's more curious is why he has all the pdf's from Merrill Lynch ie.
www.cwes01.com/9093/24013/ds/_683_783.pdf or
www.cwes01.com/9093/24013/ds/48190735.pdf.
Thanks. How do you know of this search engine?
jh
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Whois search <http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml>
tells us:
Registrant:
Cable & Wireless PLC (QIJSKTQPLD)
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Domain Name: CWES01.COM
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Why they have a pdf of Kerry's testimony only they can tell you.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:49 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] cwes01
>
>
> That's what I'm trying to find out. If you go to
> http://www.cwes01.com you only get an error message. If you
> google "cwes01" you get a collection of links but nothing
> that defines cwes01. jh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruth Barton" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [BP] cwes01
>
>
> > Jim, What does cwes01 mean? Ruth
> >
> >
> > At 10:02 AM -0500 2/22/04, Jim Hicks wrote:
> > So, I was looking for some info on Kerry and his speach in
> '71 before
> > the Senate (w/Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, &
> Javits) and
> > got a lot of links one of which was a pdf file
> >
> (<http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf>www.cwes01
.com/13790/239
10/ktpp179-210.pdf)
> which is the testemony but google also listed a lot more
>
<http://www.cwes01.com........................pdf's>www.cwes01.com......
....
..............pdf's
> that turned out to be mostly Merryl Lynch research studies of software
> buying for the top 50 companies and related stuff which I coudn't
> figure out the connection. So then I googled cwes01 and got another
> bunch of links one of which was SAP VENTURES (a blog site -
> <http://www.sapventures.com>www.sapventures.com) but still no direct
> reference to cwes01.
> Then I did another search and came to a search engine (perfectnav.com)
> which when I typed in cwes01 got another list of stuff but nothing
that
> tells me anything about cwes01.
> Anyone got info?
> jh
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:12:29 -0500
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Long Island or elsewhere... Raydome who lives on LI and who'se father
was a Grumman engineer was of an attitude not to spare the details of
annihilation from his children and since he was working on a study to
determine the effects of an atomic bomb dropped on Manhattan would tell
the kids, like some father would read bedtime stories, the effects that
would occur at varied circumferential mileage points... the point of it
being that everyone in an 80 mile radius of NYC would be fried fairly
quickly, and the quickly fried would be the ones to find it a merciful
way to go. So bless us all of us metropolitans for living in the wrong
place. When we were kids in upstate NY we were lectured at home to run
towards the bright white light -- it may have something to do with the
Native American roots of the family. Those goddamn white people are
going to do us all in yet. A basic fear we have with any administration
is that they would resort to the use of nuclear weapons... even if the
adminstration is North Korean.
Truth is I hated Long Island something terrible the first time I saw it.
Every year I worry about the hurricane coming up the coast. But there
are some really nice aspects to the place that I find no end to the joy
of exploring. How often have any of you seen a Duck Crossing roadsign --
that was not a joke? Yesterday I bought a book that is a collection of
historical lectures that were delivered on the 350th aniversary of East
Hampton in 1998. The first chapters are on the history of the
Montaukett. Last week I found out the name of the Algonquin Unkechaug
tribe that lived on the land where our house sits... the Pattersquash.
No sign of them, but just the same it causes me to think about my
surroundings. Yesterday I overheard a conversation between two young
fellows, one of them explaining to his buddy how much cash he was raking
in running a work crew installing in-ground swimming pools. "Anybody can
do an above ground pool. There is no challenge in that!" The below
ground masonry trades are alive and well on Long Island. If the world
suddenly decides to self destruct I don't imagine I'm going to be able
to do very much about it.
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:11:06 -0500
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What are the references to ART, sorry for the ignorance.
Dr. Judith E. Selwyn
Preservation Technology Associates, Inc.
2 Center Plaza, Suite 400
Boston, MA 02108
617 598-2255
fax 617 227-5535
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
> David,
>
> Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your hands
on
> them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.
>
> "Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. & Thomasen, S. in
> "Durability of Building Materials and Components," proceedings of the
Fifth
> International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.
>
> "Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone
Restoration
> Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41
>
> "Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown Sandstone at the
> Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68
>
> "Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and Drawbacks"
> by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21
>
> "Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and Klaus J. H.
> Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Woodham
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM
> Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
>
>
> > Here's another technical query from down under.
> >
> > I've recently been challenged to provide justification
> > for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
> > mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
> > sandstone.
> >
> > In the process of searching for papers or articles
> > documenting research into the performance of such
> > patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't
> > seem to be much information about ANY form of patch
> > for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
> > cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
> > (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
> > even dutchman (indents).
> >
> > So, my request is for any suggested published sources
> > that provide information about the longer-term
> > performance of patching materials in sandstone.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
> > http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> >
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:30:05 EST
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Subject: Re: stone patching
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David ; Michael here( gommage system) I think those articles listed below can
be found at Avery Library Columbia Univesity..as for the phone # Ken
?...Ralph?
Recently thhere were two high visibility projects in which the top
fabricators of patch products were invited to give samples....White House and the Met
in NYC.
I do not know which product was written in the spec; Pyrate
In a message dated 2/24/2004 2:00:10 AM Central Standard Time, Dave writes:
>
> David,
>
> Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your hands on
> them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.
>
> "Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. & Thomasen, S. in
> "Durability of Building Materials and Components," proceedings of the Fifth
> International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.
>
> "Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone Restoration
> Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41
>
> "Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown Sandstone at the
> Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68
>
> "Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and Drawbacks"
> by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21
>
> "Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and Klaus J. H.
> Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Woodham
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM
> Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
>
>
> > Here's another technical query from down under.
> >
> > I've recently been challenged to provide justification
> > for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
> > mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
> > sandstone.
> >
> > In the process of searching for papers or articles
> > documenting research into the performance of such
> > patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't
> > seem to be much information about ANY form of patch
> > for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
> > cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
> > (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
> > even dutchman (indents).
> >
> > So, my request is for any suggested published sources
> > that provide information about the longer-term
> > performance of patching materials in sandstone.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > David
> >
> >
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und at Avery Library Columbia Univesity..as for the phone # Ken ?...Ralph?<B=
R>
Recently thhere were two high visibility projects in which the top fabricato=
rs of patch products were invited to give samples....White House and t=
he Met in NYC.<BR>
I do not know which product was written in the spec; Pyrat=
e<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 2/24/2004 2:00:10 AM Central Standard Time, Dave writes:<=
BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
David,<BR>
<BR>
Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your han=
ds on<BR>
them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.<BR>
<BR>
"Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. & Thomasen, S. in<BR=
>
"Durability of Building Materials and Components," proceedings of the Fifth<=
BR>
International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.<BR>
<BR>
"Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone Restoration<=
BR>
Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41<BR>
<BR>
"Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown Sandstone at the<B=
R>
Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68<BR>
<BR>
"Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and Drawbacks"<B=
R>
by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21<BR>
<BR>
"Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and Klaus J. H.<BR>
Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39<BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
<BR>
Dave Woodham<BR>
<BR>
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From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]><BR>
To: <[log in to unmask]><BR>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM<BR>
Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Here's another technical query from down under.<BR>
><BR>
> I've recently been challenged to provide justification<BR>
> for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious<BR>
> mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged<BR>
> sandstone.<BR>
><BR>
> In the process of searching for papers or articles<BR>
> documenting research into the performance of such<BR>
> patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't<BR>
> seem to be much information about ANY form of patch<BR>
> for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be<BR>
> cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester<BR>
> (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or<BR>
> even dutchman (indents).<BR>
><BR>
> So, my request is for any suggested published sources<BR>
> that provide information about the longer-term<BR>
> performance of patching materials in sandstone.<BR>
><BR>
> Thanks<BR>
><BR>
> David<BR>
><BR>
> </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:53:13 -0500
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It's a typo...it refers to APT [Bulletin]...I just cross-referenced and
found one of the articles to confirm it.
______________________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judith E. Selwyn [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 9:11 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
>=20
>=20
> What are the references to ART, sorry for the ignorance.
>=20
>=20
> Dr. Judith E. Selwyn
> Preservation Technology Associates, Inc.
> 2 Center Plaza, Suite 400
> Boston, MA 02108
>=20
> 617 598-2255
> fax 617 227-5535
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> From: "D.W." <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
>=20
>=20
> > David,
> >
> > Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your=20
> > hands
> on
> > them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.
> >
> > "Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. &=20
> Thomasen, S. in=20
> > "Durability of Building Materials and Components,"=20
> proceedings of the
> Fifth
> > International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.
> >
> > "Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone
> Restoration
> > Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41
> >
> > "Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown=20
> Sandstone at=20
> > the Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68
> >
> > "Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and=20
> > Drawbacks" by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21
> >
> > "Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and=20
> Klaus J.=20
> > H. Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave Woodham
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM
> > Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
> >
> >
> > > Here's another technical query from down under.
> > >
> > > I've recently been challenged to provide justification
> > > for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
> > > mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
> > > sandstone.
> > >
> > > In the process of searching for papers or articles documenting=20
> > > research into the performance of such patches, I've=20
> discovered that=20
> > > there actually doesn't seem to be much information about=20
> ANY form of=20
> > > patch for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
> > > cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
> > > (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
> > > even dutchman (indents).
> > >
> > > So, my request is for any suggested published sources
> > > that provide information about the longer-term
> > > performance of patching materials in sandstone.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.=20
> > > http://au.movies.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the=20
> > > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:=20
> > > <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the=20
> > uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:=20
> > <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>
> >
>=20
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:57:14 -0500
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Here is an interesting link along this thread:
http://www.design.upenn.edu/hspv/proj_mid.htm
Good to see signal in the noise.
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:59:00 -0500
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Network Solutions used to hold a monopoly on domain registration
services, and I became aware of it when registering the RHDC's domain.
There are many other places and software that you can use to do whois
searches (and other web-related data research).
___________________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic you do not know to be useful
Districts Commission or believe to be beautiful."
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hicks [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:33 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BP] cwes01
>=20
>=20
> What's more curious is why he has all the pdf's from Merrill Lynch ie.
> www.cwes01.com/9093/24013/ds/_683_783.pdf or
> www.cwes01.com/9093/24013/ds/48190735.pdf.
> Thanks. How do you know of this search engine?
> jh
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> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:58 AM
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>=20
> Whois search <http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml>
> tells us:
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:49:39 -0500
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[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:19:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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> And then imagine your tax dollars being wasted in discussion of
> emergency evacuation plans Wouldja rather they didn't discuss
> evacuation?
>
Yes a little truth would be appreciated ie there's nothing we can do-
> in the event that some nuke plant in CT
> redlines or if a tsunami was sited on accuweather...
> How LI ddidn't make the worst bottlenecks reported @ CNN last week is
> beyond me-- Since the whole goddam island is bottle-shaped to
> begin with, what the hell do you expect except bottlenecks on the
> way out, fer Chrisskes? In my book, you assholes who live on the
> Guyland are every bit as stupid as the idiots who live in fire
> zones, or floodplains, or barrier islands, or on eroding cliffs--
> or the entire state of Florida. (Earthquakes are another matter,
> however; they are an infrequent-enough risk for a reasonable
> person might take)
>
Yes but let's remember that the richest men the US ever knew chose to
live on LI
>
> my suspicsion is that NYC and it's environs are just Brown skinned
> people Or may as well be brown-skinned who voted for Gore and that
> DC could give a damn about us...I dunno that it's DC--I'd say it's
> more like Bush and his boys (notice I didn't say girls; I don't
> think there are any).
>
> Ralph
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<div>In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:19:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<big>Yes a little truth would be appreciated ie there's nothing we can
do-<br>
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face="Arial"> in the event that some nuke plant in CT <br>
redlines or if a tsunami was sited on accuweather...<br>
How LI ddidn't make the worst bottlenecks reported @ CNN last week is <br>
beyond me-- <strong>Since the whole goddam island is bottle-shaped to
begin with, what the hell do you expect except bottlenecks on the way
out, fer Chrisskes? In my book, you assholes who live on the Guyland
are every bit as stupid as the idiots who live in fire zones, or
floodplains, or barrier islands, or on eroding cliffs-- or the entire
state of Florida. (Earthquakes are another matter, however; they are an
infrequent-enough risk for a reasonable person might take)</strong></font></blockquote>
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<big>Yes but let's remember that the richest men the US ever knew chose
to live on LI</big><br>
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my suspicsion is that NYC and it's environs are just Brown skinned <br>
people <strong>Or may as well be brown-skinned </strong>who voted for
Gore and that DC could give a damn about us...<strong>I dunno that it's
DC--I'd say it's more like Bush and his boys (notice I didn't say
girls; I don't think there are any).</strong></font></blockquote>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:22:53 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/2004 10:53:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Yes but let's remember that the richest men the US ever knew chose to live on
LI
Part-time, as I remember, and how many of them are now dead? Or will be?
I rest my weary case.
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2004 10:53:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, ddedge@=
BROADVIEWNET.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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en the US ever knew chose to live on LI</BIG><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Part-time, as I remember, and how many of them are now dead?&nb=
sp; Or will be?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I rest my weary case.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:48:12 EST
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In a message dated 2/24/2004 8:13:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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Long Island or elsewhere... Raydome who lives on LI and who'se father
was a Grumman engineer was of an attitude not to spare the details of
annihilation from his children and since he was working on a study to
determine the effects of an atomic bomb dropped on Manhattan would tell
the kids, like some father would read bedtime stories, the effects that
would occur at varied circumferential mileage points.. Sounds like yet
another LI model of good mental hygiene. How'd the Raydome turn out so normal?. the
point of it
being that everyone in an 80 mile radius of NYC would be fried fairly
quickly, and the quickly fried would be the ones to find it a merciful
way to go. So bless us all of us metropolitans for living in the wrong
place. Mrs. Ralph, in her yout' in Oak Park, reports that they were told the
drop zone was going to be Harlem Avenue and some other street a couple of
blocks from school. I always found this extremely humorous, and wondered why
anybody 1) thought the Russkies were so interested in this particular suburban
intersection, or 2) told their children about it. Thank God that in LA our
teachers just told us to "duck and cover," and spared us the knowledge that The
Bomb would be going off at a particular point between us and our mommies. When we
were kids in upstate NY we were lectured at home to run
towards the bright white light -- it may have something to do with the
Native American roots of the family. Not a death wish?Those goddamn white
people are
going to do us all in yet. I got news for youse-- we're the white people. A
basic fear we have with any administration
is that they would resort to the use of nuclear weapons... even if the
adminstration is North Korean. Even? How about "especially" instead. I just
read an interesting passage in Bob Schieffer's book about how in the days
immediately before Nixon resigned, Sec of Defense Schlesinger gave orders to the
military that they were not to accept orders from ANYBODY (i.e, Nixon) to go
to war without clearing them through the SoD. Well, nobody did, but somebody
realized that as Nixon was on his way to California, he was still Pres and
still had The Football with him, and Schieffer asked whoever this was whether he
wasn't worried about Nixon starting a war all on his own using the football.
Turned out Nixon had no idea how to do ANYTHING himself, and couldn't possibly
have done anything that mechanically difficult without Kissinger and several
other people.
Truth is I hated Long Island something terrible the first time I saw it.
That's why some people go by first impressions.
Every year I worry about the hurricane coming up the coast. But there
are some really nice aspects to the place that I find no end to the joy
of exploring. How often have any of you seen a Duck Crossing roadsign --
that was not a joke? A photo of the Duck Crossing sign would be fine with me,
in lieu of sitting on the LIE for hours and years. Yesterday I bought a book
that is a collection of historical lectures that were delivered on the 350th
aniversary of East Hampton in 1998. The first chapters are on the history of the
Montaukett. Last week I found out the name of the Algonquin Unkechaug
tribe that lived on the land where our house sits... the Pattersquash.
No sign of them, but just the same it causes me to think about my
surroundings. Yesterday I overheard a conversation between two young
fellows, one of them explaining to his buddy how much cash he was raking
in running a work crew installing in-ground swimming pools. "Anybody can
do an above ground pool. There is no challenge in that!" The below
ground masonry trades are alive and well on Long Island. They sound like some
pretty dim bulbs to me, present company excepted.. If the world
suddenly decides to self destruct I don't imagine I'm going to be able
to do very much about it. Well, at least in Jersey we can walk toward Kansas
or Canada or wherever it turns out to be safe. And we can do it at night,
because we'll all glow in the dark.
Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>Long Island or elsewhere... Raydome who lives=20=
on LI and who'se father<BR>was a Grumman engineer was of an attitude not to=20=
spare the details of<BR>annihilation from his children and since he was work=
ing on a study to<BR>determine the effects of an atomic bomb dropped on Manh=
attan would tell<BR>the kids, like some father would read bedtime stories, t=
he effects that<BR>would occur at varied circumferential mileage points.. <S=
TRONG>Sounds like yet another LI model of good mental hygiene. How'd t=
he Raydome turn out so normal?</STRONG>. the point of it<BR>being that every=
one in an 80 mile radius of NYC would be fried fairly<BR>quickly, and the qu=
ickly fried would be the ones to find it a merciful<BR>way to go. So bless u=
s all of us metropolitans for living in the wrong<BR>place. <STRONG>Mrs=
. Ralph, in her yout' in Oak Park, reports that they were told the drop=
zone was going to be Harlem Avenue and some other street a couple of blocks=
from school. I always found this extremely humorous, and wondered why=
anybody 1) thought the Russkies were so interested in this particular subur=
ban intersection, or 2) told their children about it. Thank God that i=
n LA our teachers just told us to "duck and cover," and spared us=20=
the knowledge that The Bomb would be going off at a particular poi=
nt between us and our mommies.</STRONG> When we were kids in upstate NY=
we were lectured at home to run<BR>towards the bright white light -- it may=
have something to do with the<BR>Native American roots of the family. <STRO=
NG>Not a death wish?</STRONG>Those goddamn white people are<BR>going to do u=
s all in yet. <STRONG>I got news for youse-- we're the white people. <=
/STRONG>A basic fear we have with any administration<BR>is that they would r=
esort to the use of nuclear weapons... even if the<BR>adminstration is North=
Korean. <STRONG>Even? How about "especially" instead. I just re=
ad an interesting passage in Bob Schieffer's book about how in the days imme=
diately before Nixon resigned, Sec of Defense Schlesinger gave orders to the=
military that they were not to accept orders from ANYBODY (i.e, Nixon) to g=
o to war without clearing them through the SoD. Well, nobody did, but=20=
somebody realized that as Nixon was on his way to California, he was still P=
res and still had The Football with him, and Schieffer asked whoever this wa=
s whether he wasn't worried about Nixon starting a war all on his own using=20=
the football. Turned out Nixon had no idea how to do ANYTHING himself,=
and couldn't possibly have done anything that mechanically difficult withou=
t Kissinger and several other people.</STRONG><BR><BR>Truth is I hated Long=20=
Island something terrible the first time I saw it. <STRONG>That's why some p=
eople go by first impressions.</STRONG><BR>Every year I worry about the hurr=
icane coming up the coast. But there<BR>are some really nice aspects to the=20=
place that I find no end to the joy<BR>of exploring. How often have any of y=
ou seen a Duck Crossing roadsign --<BR>that was not a joke? <STRONG>A photo=20=
of the Duck Crossing sign would be fine with me, in lieu of sitting on the L=
IE for hours and years.</STRONG> Yesterday I bought a book that is a co=
llection of historical lectures that were delivered on the 350th aniversary=20=
of East Hampton in 1998. The first chapters are on the history of the<BR>Mon=
taukett. Last week I found out the name of the Algonquin Unkechaug<BR>tribe=20=
that lived on the land where our house sits... the Pattersquash.<BR>No sign=20=
of them, but just the same it causes me to think about my<BR>surroundings. Y=
esterday I overheard a conversation between two young<BR>fellows, one of the=
m explaining to his buddy how much cash he was raking<BR>in running a work c=
rew installing in-ground swimming pools. "Anybody can<BR>do an above ground=20=
pool. There is no challenge in that!" The below<BR>ground masonry trades are=
alive and well on Long Island. <STRONG>They sound like some pretty dim bulb=
s to me, present company excepted..</STRONG> If the world<BR>suddenly d=
ecides to self destruct I don't imagine I'm going to be able<BR>to do very m=
uch about it. <STRONG>Well, at least in Jersey we can walk toward Kans=
as or Canada or wherever it turns out to be safe. And we can do i=
t at night, because we'll all glow in the dark.</STRONG></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><STRONG>Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Ralph</STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:24:34 -0500
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david,
If I could add my 0.02 USD United States Dollars = 0.0256408 AUD Australia
Dollars:
APT Bulletin Vol. XXXIII No. 2-3 (2002): "Color and Long-Term Color Retention
in Composite Patching Systems for Stone and Masonry", by yours truly, includes
some follow-up study on 12-year-old sandstone repairs.
As for the Met Museum in NYC, yes, a number of patching systems were installed
as test patches in 2002(some looked very good, some less so) but the final
decision was made on the basis of (and I quote): "It just felt right". The
particular individual who made that decision also thought epoxy patching on
terra cotta "just felt right" 20 years ago.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062
Phone: (860) 747-2220 or (800)697-8055
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> David ; Michael here( gommage system) I think those articles listed
> below can be found at Avery Library Columbia Univesity..as for the
> phone # Ken ?...Ralph? Recently thhere were two high visibility
> projects in which the top fabricators of patch products were invited
> to give samples....White House and the Met in NYC. I do not know
> which product was written in the spec; Pyrate
>
> In a message dated 2/24/2004 2:00:10 AM Central Standard Time, Dave writes:
>
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Here are a couple of references. Whether you can actually get your hands
on
> > them is another matter. Let me know if you have problems.
> >
> > "Deterioration Mechanisms in Sandstone," Searls, C. & Thomasen, S. in
> > "Durability of Building Materials and Components," proceedings of the Fifth
> > International Conference, Brighton, UK, 7-9 November 1990.
> >
> > "Composite Stone Repairs at Drayton Hall: A Case Study of Stone Restoration
> > Techniques," ART XIV-3-82, pp. 37-41
> >
> > "Rehabilitation Approaches to Severely Deteroirated Brown Sandstone at the
> > Apex Building, Washington, D.C.," ART XVII-3/4-85, p. 65-68
> >
> > "Acrylic Polymers for the Conservation of Stone: Advantages and Drawbacks"
> > by Marisa Laurenzi Tabasso, ART XXVI-4-95, pp. 17-21
> >
> > "Consolidation Treatment: Massillion (Ohio) Sandstone" (and Klaus J. H.
> > Zinsmeister, and Frances R. Gale), ART XX-3-88, pp. 35-39
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dave Woodham
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "david west" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:39 AM
> > Subject: [BP] Patches, artificial stone
> >
> >
> > > Here's another technical query from down under.
> > >
> > > I've recently been challenged to provide justification
> > > for my proposal to use latex-modified cementitious
> > > mortar patches for repair of decayed or damaged
> > > sandstone.
> > >
> > > In the process of searching for papers or articles
> > > documenting research into the performance of such
> > > patches, I've discovered that there actually doesn't
> > > seem to be much information about ANY form of patch
> > > for repair of decayed sandstone, whether it be
> > > cementitious, lime-based, epoxy, acrylic, polyester
> > > (collectively often known as 'artificial stone') or
> > > even dutchman (indents).
> > >
> > > So, my request is for any suggested published sources
> > > that provide information about the longer-term
> > > performance of patching materials in sandstone.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
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Phew! I am in awe of you, Ralph. I forget my colour, but it's not as =
big as yours. I have 12 unique feedbacks. I think the first start =
doesn't show up until 10.
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- Pam
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In a message dated 2/23/2004 3:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
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Star? Colour of star?=20
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Now I'll have to look to see whether I have one (I don't think I do, =
but how come you have one and I don't??), and what color it is. Mrs. =
Ralph (while that's still her title) will not be happy to hear that I =
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Phew! I am in awe of you, Ralph. I forget my colour, but it's not as big as
yours. I have 12 unique feedbacks. I think the first start doesn't show up
until 10.
- Pam
Well, I've been doing my bit for the economy, and driving up prices of
bizarre junk in North America, Europe and Australia.
You're all welcome.
Ralph
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our, but it's not as big as yours. I have 12 unique feedbacks. I=
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While we're polishing our feedback stars, I'm at 409 (100% positive).
How did THAT happen???
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Rudy Christian wrote:
> While we're polishing our feedback stars, I'm at 409 (100% positive).
I'm also in the turquoise-star range, with 369 (also 100% positive).
Don't get too pumped by the very flattering comments people post in
feedback: look up their "feedback-left" and you'll find they say the exact
same thing to everyone, plus or minus some reference to fast payment or
quality packaging.
Ebay has become more and more of a buyer's market over time, as it has
become flooded with the flotsam and jetsam (merchandise and junk) of the
entire world.
Most of what I have bought on Ebay (or from sellers I got to know through
Ebay) are books, especially, old state legislative manuals and Who's-Who
style biographical compilations with data for The Political Graveyard. I
bid early and low, never get into bidding wars, and win auctions about
two-thirds of the time.
I even have an About-Me page: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/potifos/
Larry
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[log in to unmask] writes:
While we=E2=80=99re polishing our feedback stars, I=E2=80=99m at 409 (100% p=
ositive).
=20
How did THAT happen???
Rudy,
Good customer service, if you're a seller. Or if you're a buyer, you're a=20
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2004 4:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, rudad@BR=
IGHT.NET writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN style=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Rudy,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Good customer service, if you're a seller=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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In a message dated 2/24/2004 9:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I bid early and low, never get into bidding wars, and win auctions about
two-thirds of the time.
Larry,
Yeah, well, if I bought a bunch of boring crap about state legislatures of
the 1870's like you do, I might get away with bidding early and low and avoiding
bidding wars, too.
But I buy extremely interesting items, like old binoculars, speaking tube
mouthpieces, broken and incomplete drafting sets, and postcards from little
dipshit towns my ancestors came from, so I get sucked into bidding wars and paying
a lot of money.
I'm dumber than you are. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/24/2004 9:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, polygon@=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Larry,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Yeah, well, if I bought a bunch of boring=
crap about state legislatures of the 1870's like you do, I might get a=
way with bidding early and low and avoiding bidding wars, too. </=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>But I buy extremely interesting items, li=
ke old binoculars, speaking tube mouthpieces, broken and incomplete dra=
fting sets, and postcards from little dipshit towns my ancestors came from,=20=
so I get sucked into bidding wars and paying a lot of money.</FONT></STRONG>=
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>I'm dumber than you are. Nyah nyah nyah n=
yah nyah!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 23:50:18 -0500
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From: Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Larry,
>
> Yeah, well, if I bought a bunch of boring crap about state legislatures
> of the 1870's like you do, I might get away with bidding early and low
> and avoiding bidding wars, too.
Boring crap, maybe, but it draws millions of visitors to my web site,
generating advertising dollars which I use to buy more books.
One of the ways I avoid getting into bidding wars is by putting that
promise into my About-Me page for everyone to see:
So you want to bid against me?
Feel free! If you exceed my maximum bid, you're welcome to the
item. I promise I won't come back and bid the price up again.
Publishing those words has kept me out of a lot of trouble.
> But I buy extremely interesting items, like old binoculars, speaking
> tube mouthpieces, broken and incomplete drafting sets, and postcards
> from little dipshit towns my ancestors came from, so I get sucked into
> bidding wars and paying a lot of money.
Speaking of extremely interesting junk, I did once buy a Brannock Device,
which now hangs on the wall of my home office for visitors to gawk at.
It was about ten bucks.
At the time, it was the only Brannock Device available on Ebay, but there
weren't any competing bids. Right now, I see that there are SEVEN
Brannock Devices for sale, at prices ranging from $5.95 to $15.50, and
three of them have a total of five bids.
Larry
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Polygon, the Dancing Bear, http://potifos.com/polygon
Mailing address: P.O. Box 2563, Ann Arbor MI 48106
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:42:22 -0800
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What the deuce are you guys talking about now??????? Ruth who has an eBay
account and has never been there.
At 4:13 PM -0500 2/24/04, Rudy Christian wrote:
While we're polishing our feedback stars, I'm at 409 (100% positive).
How did THAT happen???
Rudy
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:06:00 EST
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In a message dated 2/25/2004 7:16:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
What the deuce are you guys talking about now??????? Ruth who has an eBay
account and has never been there.
Ruth,
So go look at ebay.com, and see what they have available. It's lots of fun.
Ralph
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/25/2004 7:16:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrgjb@SO=
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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<DIV>Ruth,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So go look at ebay.com, and see what they have available. It's lo=
ts of fun.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:42:42 -0500
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>>Rudy,
Good customer service, if you're a seller. Or if you're a buyer, you're
a bigger dope (and bigger buyer) than I am, but an equally fast payer.
What do you buy and/or sell?
Ralph<<
Mostly I buy and sell 18th and 19th century woodworking tools, primarily
planes. I do dabble in some 20th century; mostly Stanley and I usually
get beat trying to buy 18th century American molding planes. We're doing
our house (1815 church) trim and cabinetry in hand tooled hardwoods, so
some of the stuff is "user" and some is strictly display and investment.
Its fun and beats wasting all day sitting at an auction smelling really
bad polish sausage and sauerkraut cook!
Rudy
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This place feels like an IceBox - because it is
By Tania Fuentez, Associated Press
SAINTE-CATHERINE-DE-LA-JACQUES-CARTIER, Quebec _ A night at the Ice
Hotel isn't for everyone. Who's willing to sleep on a block of ice in
subfreezing conditions?
Actually, hundreds like myself endured wicked temperatures last year to
stay at a 32-room crystalline facility made entirely of ice.
Now in its fourth season, the Hotel de Glace is an expansive winter
wonderland in the Canadian province of Quebec. It's also the only one in
North America. The look on the face of first-time visitors says it all.
``I never thought it would be so big,'' said Jean Hanna, 59, of
Val-Morin, Quebec.
More precisely, we approach a 30,000-square-foot hotel made of 12,000
tons of snow and 400 tons of ice. The glacial palace has guest rooms and
themed suites, a chapel, a spa, movie theater, the Absolut Ice
Barnightclub, functioning fireplaces and hot tubs. And the entire thing
is made from ice.
A tour guide tells my group that a couple from Hawaii exchanged their
wedding vows here because ``they wanted to get married somewhere exotic.''
``We have all ages stay _ little children and their parents,
everybody,'' Ice Hotel guide Louise Vidal said.
Open to the public, tours are available in French or English, seven days
a week. Backed by Quebec's tourism department, it's located steps away
from the ecotourism resort Duchesnay in the picturesque borough of
Sainte-Catherine-de-la-Jacques-Cartier.
Or, if you're game, you can stay overnight.
Situated near Lac Saint-Joseph and Riviere Jacques-Cartier, the hotel,
which will be open through April 4, can accommodate 86 guests nightly.
``Oh, it's so cold,'' says Xia Hua, originally from Shenzhen, China. Her
trip was adventure enough.
Bundled in full-length fur coats or bulky ski wear, everyone faces the
elements as best they can. During my stay, outside temperatures fell
well below freezing.
Fortunately, an upbeat, bilingual staff reassures you at the hotel's
nearby Pavillon l'Aigle where you actually check in for overnight stays.
I slept on a bed of ice shaped like a fire-breathing dragon in a suite
with exquisite decor _ a pristine pagoda and sacred temple motif carved
in snow.
Earlier that night, an orientation session was held in the pavilion
(open 24 hours in case of emergencies). We were told what to wear to
stay warm and how to use insulated sleeping bags provided by the hotel.
As night fell, some of us plotted to stay up as long as we could. Others
dipped into the outdoor hot tub, danced into the wee hours at the
nightclub or downed a few shots of vodka.
As it turned out, I was warm _ almost too warm in my makeshift cocoon.
When I got my wake-up call, the crisp morning air was invigorating as I
wrestled to put on ski boots.
Michigan couple Scott Sullivan and Sue L. Johnson celebrated their 10th
anniversary together at the arctic accommodations _ for a night. ``I was
a little nervous at first, but then I was too tired to care,'' Sullivan
said of his overnight stay. ``It was fine.''
In the lobby, a massive ice chandelier glistens overhead, and towering
columns point to an 18-foot-tall ceiling of tightly packed snow. Rooms
are filled with elaborate snow sculptures and small details, like real
newspapers and flowers, albeit frozen.
Each winter, construction begins in December and lasts five to seven
weeks. Local and international artists design room decor with chain
saws. It takes about 35 workers to complete the project. Builders tear
it down by season's end to discourage theft or unsupervised tours as the
hotel melts.
More than 5,000 guests have slept at Canada's ice hotel since its debut
in 2000.
Snow blowers help form the hotel's self-supporting arches by blasting
snow over stainless steel sections and wooden walls used as its
foundation. The metal frames are removed once everything freezes solid,
which can take 10 hours or up to three days.
Huge blocks of ice are transformed into pews for the wedding chapel,
lamps and other furniture. Four-foot-thick walls buffer guests from
chilling winds _ day and night.
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IF YOU GO
„The Ice Hotel will be open through April 4. Temperatures inside are in
the 20s. Beds are made entirely of ice but a wood panel separates you
from the surface. The panel is fitted with a foam mattress covered by
fleece and deerskins. Insulated sleeping bags are also provided. Rates
from about $225 U.S., double occupancy. (877) 505-0423;
www.icehotel-canada.com.
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Rudy,
Somehow I shoulda guessed you'd be buying something on ebay related to
sawdust-making. Except in your case, I guess it's making shavings.
Keep up the good work.
Ralph
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A Farm in Queens? For Now, Yes
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/nyregion/27farm.html
the old Klein homestead, the last privately owned working farm in New
York City - tucked between a garden apartment complex and a schoolyard
in Fresh Meadows, Queens - was sold to a developer for more than $4 million.
I have told people over the years that there was a fram right behind PS
26 where I went to kindergarden and been met with skepticism.....
Noew if the NYTimes will only verify that I did indeed see Nelson
Rockefeller in the sky on snowy day in the schoolyard and that I did see
an actual leprchaun behind our apartment I'll be asking my therapist for
a rebate...
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<h2>A Farm in Queens? For Now, Yes</h2>
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/nyregion/27farm.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/nyregion/27farm.html</a><br>
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the old Klein homestead, the last privately owned working farm in New
York City - tucked between a garden apartment complex and a schoolyard
in Fresh Meadows, Queens - was sold to a developer for more than $4
million.<br>
<br>
I have told people over the years that there was a fram right behind PS
26 where I went to kindergarden and been met with skepticism.....<br>
Noew if the NYTimes will only verify that I did indeed see Nelson
Rockefeller in the sky on snowy day in the schoolyard and that I did
see an actual leprchaun behind our apartment I'll be asking my
therapist for a rebate...<br>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:59:22 -0500
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Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:16:37 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
No, I was being deposed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty normally.
Ralph
PS- Although I know the gist of the story, I'm not real eager to see what
happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least not in the
details Mel provides.
As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our office who
saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he didn't find it very
gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but that's what it amounted to).
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ddedge@B=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>No, I was being deposed, or depositioned.=
And I still walk pretty normally.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>PS- Although I know the gist o=
f the story, I'm not real eager to see what happened to that other guy who w=
as born on December 25, at least not in the details Mel provides.</FONT></ST=
RONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>As it happens, we have a young religious=20=
(Christian!) guy in our office who saw it the first day, and to my surprise,=
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:23:40 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: it's very quiet @ BP World
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The thought of watching ten uninterrupted minutes of anyone being=20
beaten is enough to keep me away. I get the point already! And I'm=20
the guy who thinks Open Range was the best flick in a long long time!
"Some fellas are going to get killed here today, Sue. ...And I'm gonna=20=
kill 'em." Now that's dialog!
-jc
On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:16 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Guess ralph is at=A0 Passion of the Christ
> No, I was being deposed, or depositioned.=A0 And I still walk pretty=20=
> normally.
> =A0
> Ralph
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> what happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least=20=
> not in the details Mel provides.
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> As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our=20
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The thought of watching ten uninterrupted minutes of anyone being
beaten is enough to keep me away. I get the point already! And I'm
the guy who thinks Open Range was the best flick in a long long time!
"Some fellas are going to get killed here today, Sue. ...And I'm
gonna kill 'em." Now that's dialog!
-jc
On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:16 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>In a message
dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>Guess ralph is at=A0
Passion of the Christ</x-tad-smaller></fontfamily>
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<x-tad-smaller>No,
I was being deposed, or depositioned.=A0 And I still walk pretty
normally.</x-tad-smaller></color></fontfamily></bold>
=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>=A0</x-tad-smaller></fontfa=
mily>
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mily>
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<x-tad-smaller>PS-=A0
Although I know the=A0gist of the story, I'm not real eager to see what
happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least not
in the details Mel provides.</x-tad-smaller></color></fontfamily></bold>
=
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><x-tad-smaller>=A0</x-tad-smaller></fontfa=
mily>
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<x-tad-smaller>As
it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our office
who saw it the first day, and to my surprise,=A0he said he didn't find
it very gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but that's what it
amounted to).</x-tad-smaller></color></fontfamily></bold>
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In a message dated 2/27/2004 6:17:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
No, I was being deposed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty normally.
Ralph
For those of you concerned that my exalted and reviled position as your Humor
Czar may have been usurped by some Bolshevik (or Menshevik) or other types
(Caslon Bold Extended, f'rinstance), I assure you that to the best of my
knowledge and belief, that has not occurred. Which is to say that in addition to no
dues, there haven't been any applications to become my (or should I say
"our?") successor in the czaroidal mailbox.
So I haven't been deposed from my throne, and my position as your Humor Czar
remains unaffected by having had my deposition taken before a roomful of
lawyers, and as I said, I still walk pretty normally and am not too sore Back There.
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<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
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osed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty normally.</FONT></STRON=
G></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=
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G></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>For those of you concerned that my exalte=
d and reviled position as your Humor Czar may have been usurped by=
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ance), I assure you that to the best of my knowledge and belief, that has no=
t occurred. Which is to say that in addition to no dues, there haven't=
been any applications to become my (or should I say "our?") successor=20=
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>So I haven't been deposed from my throne,=
and my position as your Humor Czar remains unaffected by having had my depo=
sition taken before a roomful of lawyers, and as I said, I still walk pretty=
normally and am not too sore Back There.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML=
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> **
> *As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our
> office who saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he
> _didn't_ find it very gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but
> that's what it amounted to).*
If it is as bad a movie as Crop Circles I would expect an increase in
athiests.
][<
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In a message dated 2/27/04 6:17:30 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our office who
aw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he didn't find it very
gripping
That's just what WE tell YOU. Just sign me, Holy Roller
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In a message dated 2/27/2004 7:51:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
In a message dated 2/27/04 6:17:30 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our office who
saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he didn't find it very
gripping
That's just what WE tell YOU. Just sign me, Holy Roller
Are you talking ball-bearing-type rollers, or cylindrical?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In a message dated 2/27/04 6:17:30 PM, RLWA=
[log in to unmask] writes:</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#400040 size=3D2>As it happens=
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rst day, and to my surprise, he said he <U>didn't</U> find it very grip=
ping </FONT></STRONG></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's just what WE tell YOU. &n=
bsp; Just sign me, Holy Roller </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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llers, or cylindrical?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
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From: Deb Bledsoe <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: FW: Trailer for Sale - closed bid
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:16:59 EST, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>For 900 bucks, you want a HOUSE trailer?
See, I keep telling you guys you need to check out the cost of living out
here in the midwest - my daughter bought a 1968 Stewart 12x60 house trailer
in October, for $300. We gutted it and installed a new kitchen and some
windows, some plywood in the floors. Have a $1300 white membrane roof
coming to put on when we get a nice warm morning; for now have a tarp over
the roof with duct tape flashing around the furnace roofjack. Lot rent is
$160/mo, utilities run about $130 month, average. Hispeed internet adds
another $35.
There's a 3 bedroom, 2 bath Stewart needs a roof down in KY
where I've been
working, for sale for $700. No Ralph, you cannot pick it up at
Chriftopher's office.
deb
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"LONESOME DOVE" WAS BETTER!
Quoting John Callan <[log in to unmask]>:
> The thought of watching ten uninterrupted minutes of anyone being
> beaten is enough to keep me away. I get the point already! And I'm
> the guy who thinks Open Range was the best flick in a long long time!
>
> "Some fellas are going to get killed here today, Sue. ...And I'm gonna
> kill 'em." Now that's dialog!
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:16 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
> > No, I was being deposed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty
> > normally.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > PS- Although I know the gist of the story, I'm not real eager to see
> > what happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least
> > not in the details Mel provides.
> >
> > As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our
> > office who saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he didn't
> > find it very gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but that's
> > what it amounted to).
>
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I LIKED IT BETTER WHEN 'MEL' WAS 'BROOKS'.
Quoting John Callan <[log in to unmask]>:
> The thought of watching ten uninterrupted minutes of anyone being
> beaten is enough to keep me away. I get the point already! And I'm
> the guy who thinks Open Range was the best flick in a long long time!
>
> "Some fellas are going to get killed here today, Sue. ...And I'm gonna
> kill 'em." Now that's dialog!
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:16 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
> > No, I was being deposed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty
> > normally.
> >
> > Ralph
> >
> > PS- Although I know the gist of the story, I'm not real eager to see
> > what happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least
> > not in the details Mel provides.
> >
> > As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our
> > office who saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he didn't
> > find it very gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but that's
> > what it amounted to).
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:08:20 -0600
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One of us is just being "oppositional". I think its you.
I liked Lonsesome Dove very much. Both of 'em. I may have even read
the book...or at least had my hands on the book at some time. But,
Open Range was a summer shower on a hot dry August afternoon. Lonesome
Dove was the taunting reminder that what little chance I had to be a
cowboy was gone. But a cowgirl preservationeer bathing in a water
tower told me that neither cowboys, nor cowgirls can be contained
within a single stereotype or symbol. With that kind of encouragement,
I tipped my hat, mumbled my appreciation and resumed my journey up the
trail.
Keep an eye out for bushwackers.
-jc
On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:45 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> "LONESOME DOVE" WAS BETTER!
>
> Quoting John Callan <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> The thought of watching ten uninterrupted minutes of anyone being
>> beaten is enough to keep me away. I get the point already! And I'm
>> the guy who thinks Open Range was the best flick in a long long time!
>>
>> "Some fellas are going to get killed here today, Sue. ...And I'm
>> gonna
>> kill 'em." Now that's dialog!
>>
>> -jc
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:16 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 2/27/2004 3:00:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>> Guess ralph is at Passion of the Christ
>>> No, I was being deposed, or depositioned. And I still walk pretty
>>> normally.
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> PS- Although I know the gist of the story, I'm not real eager to see
>>> what happened to that other guy who was born on December 25, at least
>>> not in the details Mel provides.
>>>
>>> As it happens, we have a young religious (Christian!) guy in our
>>> office who saw it the first day, and to my surprise, he said he
>>> didn't
>>> find it very gripping (I can't remember his exact word, but that's
>>> what it amounted to).
>>
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In a message dated 2/28/2004 4:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
There's a 3 bedroom, 2 bath Stewart needs a roof down in KY where I've been
working, for sale for $700. No Ralph, you cannot pick it up at Chriftopher's
office.
Deb,
If it can't be picked up in Chrif'f ossice, I'm not interested. But Mrs.
Ralph might be.
Ralph
PS-- Nice to hear from you.
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@YAHOO.COM writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20=
2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>There's a 3 bedroom, 2 bath Stewart needs a ro=
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ot pick it up at Chriftopher's office.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Deb,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>If it can't be picked up in Chrif'f ossic=
e, I'm not interested. But Mrs. Ralph might be.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>Ralph</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#400040>PS-- Nice to hear from you.</FONT></STRON=
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:03:23 -0500
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Subject: Histo Presto Authenticity at Calvary
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As per previous threads on BP regarding authenticity of the heritage and
built-environment as portrayed in Hollywood movies the suggestion is to
be aware of the authenticity of site when viewing images of an active
Calvary scene.
Mount Calvary
The place of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm>.
*NAME*
*Etymology and Use*
The word Calvary (Lat. /Calvaria/) means "a skull". Calvaria and the Gr.
/Kranion/ are equivalents for the original /Golgotha/. The ingenious
conjecture that Golgotha may be a contraction for /Gol Goatha/ and may
accordingly have signified "mount of execution", and been related to
Goatha in Jer., xxi, 39, has found scarcely any supporters. The
diminutive /monticulus/ (little mount) was coupled with the name A.D.
333 by the "Pilgrim of Bordeaux".
Towards the beginning of the fifth century Rufinus spoke of "the rock of
Golgotha". Since the sixth century the usage has been to designate
Calvary as a mountain. The Gospel styles it merely a "place", (Matt.
xxvii, 33; Mark xv, 22; Luke, xxiii, 33; John, xix, 17).
*Origin of the Name*
The following theories have been advanced:
* Calvary may have been a place of public execution, and so named
from the skulls strewn over it. The victims were perhaps abandoned
to become a prey to birds and beasts, as Jezabel and Pharao's
baker had been (IV K., ix, 35; Gen., xl, 19, 22).
* Its name may have been derived from a cemetery that may have stood
near. There is no reason for believing that Joseph's tomb, in
which the body of Christ was laid, was an isolated one, especially
since it was located in the district later on described by
Josephus <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm> as
containing the monument of the high-priest John. This hypothesis
has the further advantage of explaining the thinness of the
population in this quarter at so late a period as that of the
siege of Jerusalem (Jos., Bell. jud., V, vi, 2). Moreover, each of
the rival Calvaries of to-day is near a group of ancient Jewish
tombs.
* The name may have been occasioned by the physical contour of the
place. St. Luke (loc. cit.) seems to this by saying it was the
place called "a skull" (/kranion/). Moreover, Golgotha (from a
Hebrew root meaning "to roll"), which borrows its signification
from the rounded or rolling form of the skull, might also have
been applied to a skull-shaped hillock.
* There was a tradition current among the Jews that the skull of
Adam, after having been confided by Noah to his son Shem, and by
the latter to Melchisedech, was finally deposited at the place
called, for that reason, Golgotha. The Talmudists and the Fathers
of the Church were aware of this tradition, and it survives in the
skulls and bones placed at the foot of the crucifix. The
Evangelists are not opposed to it, inasmuch as they speak of one
and not of many skulls. (Luke, Mark, John, loc. cit.)
The curious origins of many Biblical names, the twofold and sometimes
disagreeing explanations offered for them by the Sacred Writers (Gen.,
/passim/) should make us pause before accepting any of the above
theories as correct. Each of them has its weak points: The first seems
to be opposed to the Jewish law, which prescribed that the crucified
should be buried before sundown (Deut., xxi, 23). Josephus
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm> intimates that this
enactment was scrupulously observed (Bell. jud., IV, v, 2). The
executions cited in support of the opinion are too few, too remote, and
too isolated to have the force of proof. Moreover, in this supposition
Calvary wold have been called more correctly a place "of skulls" but the
Evangelists nowhere use the plural. In the first tow theories no
sufficient reason is assigned for selecting the skull in reference to
any other member of the body, or the corpse itself, as a name-giver. The
third theory is plausible and more popular. Yet it may not be urged a
priori, as indicating a requisite for a Calvary otherwise
unauthenticated. The Evangelists seem to have been more intent upon
giving an intelligible equivalent for the obscure name, Golgotha, than
upon vouching for its origin. The fourth theory has been characterized
as too absurd, though it has many serious adherents. It was not absurd
to the uncritical Jew. It would not seem absurd to untaught Christians
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm>. Yet it is among the
untaught that names arise spontaneously. Indeed Christians
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm> embellished the legend, as
we shall see.
*DESCRIPTIVE DATA*
*The New Testament*
The only explicit notices are that the Crucifixion took place outside
the city (Heb., xiii, 12), but close to it; a newly-hewn tomb stood in a
garden not far away (John, xix, 20, 41); the spot was probably near a
frequented road, thus permitting the passers-by to revile the supposed
criminal. That the Cyrenian was coming from the country when he was
forced into service seems to exclude only two of the roads entering
Jerusalem, the one leading from Bethlehem and the one from Siloe (Matt.,
xxvii, 30; Mark, xv, 24, 29; Luke, xxiii, 26). Any other road entering
Jerusalem might fulfil the condition. The incidents recorded along the
sorrowful journey are so few that the distance from the praetorium is
left a matter of conjecture.
*Early Medieval Narratives*
After the Apostolic Age no more is heard of Calvary until the fourth
century. Under pagan rule an idol had been place there, and had been
later embraced within the same enclosure as the crypt of the
Resurrection <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12789a.htm> (Sozomen,
Hist. Eccl., II, 1, 2). Eustachius, Constantine's architect, separated
it from the latter by hewing away a great mass of stone. It was St.
Melania the Younger who first adorned Mount Calvary with a chapel (436).
The place is described as a "knoll of scanty size" (/deficiens loci
tumor/ -- Eucherius, 427-440), apparently natural, and in the sixth
century approached by steps. It was fifteen paces from the Holy
Sepulchre. It was encircled with silver railings and contained a cell in
which the Cross was kept, and a great altar (Theodosius, 530). Two years
after the ravages of the Persians (614), a large church replaced the
ruined chapel (Arculfus, 680). From its roof a brazen wheel adorned with
lamps was suspended over a silver cross that stood in the socket of Our
Saviour's <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm> gibbet. This
Church was destroyed in 1010, but was restored in 1048. The rock beneath
is spoken of by Soewulf (1102) as being "much cracked near the fosse of
the Cross". In the traditions, Adam's burial and Abraham's sacrifice are
repeatedly located there.
By 1149 the Calvary chapel had been united by the crusaders
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm> with the surrounding
oratories into a vast basilica. The part of the rock believed to have
held the Cross is said to have been removed and lost in a shipwreck on
the coast of Syria while being transported to Constantinople (1809).
Another fragment is shown in the chapel of Longinus, one of many in the
basilica.
*Contemporary Sources*
Wilson, Warren, Fraas, and other eminent topographers engaged in the
interests of the English Ordinance Survey (1864-5), declare that the
lower part of this traditional Calvary is natural, and that the upper
part "may very likely be so". The knoll is of soft white limestone
(nummulitic) containing nodules, and occupies a position normally
required for such a bed in Palestine, viz. above the Missae and Malaki
strata respectively. These last beds are seen on lower levels in the
basilica. The direction taken by the rent in the rock, 96 degrees east
of north, is practically the same as that of the veining of the rocks
roundabout. Other points of similarity have been observed. The fissure
broadens eastwards. The rock has been cut away on the side of the Holy
Sepulchre, thus bearing out the architectural datum afforded by the
period of Constantine. Calvary is 140 feet south- east of the Holy
Sepulchre and 13 feet above it. The early traditions mentioned at the
beginning of this article still cling to it. The chapel of Adam beneath
that of Calvary stands for the first. A picture in it represents the
raising of Adam to life by the Precious Blood trickling down upon his
skull. An altar is there dedicated to Melchisedech. A vestige of the
second tradition subsists in a scraggy olive tree a few yards away,
religiously guarded, which the Abyssinians still claim to have been the
bush in which the ram's horns were caught when the angel
<http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm> stayed the hand of Abraham.
*Calvary Chapel*
The small, low, poorly lighted oratory, built upon the traditional
Calvary, is divided into two sections by a pair of massive pillars. The
chapel of the Exaltation of the Cross comprises the section on the north
and belongs to the Orthodox Greeks. That of the Crucifixion on the south
is in possession of the Latins. At the eastern end, behind a thickly-set
row of sanctuary lamps kept constantly burning, there are three altars
of the eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth stations of the Way of the
Cross. That of the twelfth station is in the Greek chapel, and marks the
position of Our Saviour's <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08374c.htm>
Cross. It is near the rent made in the rock by the earthquake. Two black
marble discs at its sides indicate the presumed positions of the
malefactors' crosses. Behind it, among numerous icons, stands a large
painted image of the Crucified Saviour.
The altars of the Crucifixion and Mater Dolorosa (eleventh and
thirteenth stations) belong to the Latins. The image on the latter, or
middle, altar is screened, and incased with a profusion of votive
offerings. The floor of the chapel, which is on a level with the top of
the rock, is covered with coarse mosaics. A round stone in the pavement
on the Latin side, near the eleventh station, marks the place of the
tenth. In the roof, there is a mosaic representation of Christ. Entrance
to the chapel is obtained by the stairways. The two most frequently used
are at the west end. The eighteen steps in each stairway, which are
narrow, steep and much worn, are mostly of pink /Santa Croce/ marble
commonly quarried in Palestine.
*AUTHENTICITY*
It is beyond doubt that the Calvary we have been considering is the same
as that of the Middle Ages <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10285c.htm>,
but is it correct to identify it with that of the Gospels? It has long
been far within the city walls. But did the city wall which has enclosed
it for so many centuries enclose it when Christ was crucified? That is,
did the present city wall exist when the Saviour was put to death? If
so, this could not have been the place of the crucifixion; for Christ
was crucified outside the walls (Heb., xiii, 12), St. Willibald (eighth
century), Soewulf (twelfth century), and many others asked themselves
this question. But it was not until two centuries ago that an
affirmative answer was ventured by Korte, a German bookseller (see
below). Not, however, until the last century did the new opinion obtain
supporters. Then a school sprang up which first rejected the old side
and eventually set about seeking new ones. Catholics, as a class, with
many leading Anglicans <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01498a.htm>
support the traditional claims.
The authenticity of Calvary is intimately bound up with that of the Holy
Sepulchre. Relative to the authenticity of the sites of both, the
ecclesiastical writers who are the first to break silence after the
Evangelists seem to leave no room for doubt. Now it is not easy to see
how these, the chief representatives of an apologetical age, could have
overlooked the above difficulty advanced by modern writers, especially
since simple pilgrims are known to have advanced it. The spirit of
investigation had awakened in the Church long years previous to them;
and the accredited custodians of the tradition, the Jerusalem community,
had been ruled by a continuous succession of bishops since Apostolic
times. Under these circumstances, our first available witnesses tell us
that a remembrance of the site had actually been transmitted. As a
telling testimony to the confidence they merit herein, it need only be
remarked that of sixteen modern charts of the Holy City collated by
Zimmermann (Basle, 1876) only four place Golgotha within the second or
outermost wall in the time of Christ. Moreover, Dr. Schick, the author
of one of these, accepted the traditional view before his death. Dr.
Reiss, in his "Bibel-Atlas" (Freiburg im Breisgau, 1895), also agrees
with the majority. (See JERUSALEM; HOLY SEPULCHRE.)
*MODERN CALVARIES*
The most popular of several sites proposed is that of Otto Thenius
(1849), better known as Gordon's Calvary, and styled by the latter,
"Skull Hill", because of its shape. Conder is the chief supporter of
this view. This site is the elevation over Jeremiah's Grotto, not far
from the Damascus Gate. In default of an historic basis, and owing to
the insufficiency of the Gospel data -- which may be verified equally
well on any side of the city -- the upholders of the new theories
usually take for granted one or other of the following statements, viz:
that Christ should have been immolated north of the altar, like the
typical victims (Lev., i, 10, 11); that Calvary was a place of public
execution; that the place reserved for crucifixion, if there was one,
was identical with a presumed stoning-place; that a modern Jewish
tradition as to a fixed stoning-place could be substantiated in the time
of Christ; and that the violent mob to which Christ was delivered would
have conformed to whatever custom prescribed for the occasion. These
affirmations all bear the mark of fitness; but until documents are
produced to confirm them, they must inevitably fall short as proof of facts.
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"For the rest, there is a road wandering in an aimless way along the
hill-side, like a child at play who is going nowhere, and all along this
road are scattered every variety of dwelling, big and little, sombre and
gay, humble and pretentious, which the mind of man ever conceived
of,--and some of which I devoutly trust the mind of man will never again
conceive. There are solid substantial Dutch farm-houses, built of unhewn
stone, that look as though they were outgrowths of the mountain, which
nothing short of an earthquake could disturb; and there are fragile
little boxes that look as though they would be swept away, to be seen no
more forever, by the first winter's blast that comes tearing up the gap
as though the bag of Eolus had just been opened at West Point and the
imprisoned winds were off with a whoop for a lark. There are houses in
sombre grays with trimmings of the same; and there are houses in every
variety of color, including one that is of a light pea-green, with pink
trimmings and blue blinds. There are old and venerable houses, that look
as though they might have come over with Peter Stuyvesant and been
living at Wheathedge ever since; and there are spruce little sprigs of
houses that look as though they had just come up from New York to spend
a holiday, and did not rightly know what to do with themselves in the
country. There are staid and respectable mansions that never move from
the even tenor of their ways; and there are houses that change their
fashions every season, putting on a new coat of paint every spring; and
there is one that dresses itself out in summer with so many flags and
streamers that one might imagine Fourth of July lived there." Laicus;
or, the Experiences of a Layman in a Country Parish, Lyman Abbott,1872.
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