In a message dated 1/11/2004 9:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I have very clear memories of standing out waiting for the school bus in 1950s with temps -35 or so. In those days females were required to wear skirts to school as well. Sometimes the bus didn't come too promptly either!!!!! Builds character. I would think it builds ice, too. Why couldn't I have stayed in California? Ralph