Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak (Evil) Bill Gates? That sort of "from scratch"? There must be some good public High Schools. Perhaps up by Ruth. But its for certain that they won't get any better if we don't elect their graduates. Who else has a stake in their success? Your place sounds great! -jc On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:29 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote: ah give me a background of someone who knows what hard work is and what war is someone who has taken care of plants kids and living things that has had a successful business from scratch; then I might take a second look