There are those of us that would draw the futher distinction of the greater NYC metro area and Upstate NY, speaking as one from (and still in) Upstate NY. Much as people in PA might draw the distinction between PA and the Philly area, those in NJ who let you know they live in "northern NJ," etc. Bruce, stirring the pot in Central NY (Working in Syracuse and living on the border between CNY and the Southern Tier, the suburbs of McGraw to be exact) P.S. I got a kick out of a travel show I saw yesterday touting the best ski areas of the US saying that Gore Mountain the southern Adirondacks was two hours from NYC. I know they drive pretty fast on the Thruway but it's more than 225 miles on my map and I'll bet it takes you over three to make the trip from Manhattan. Maybe you could get to Hunter Mountain in the Catskills in two hours... -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Barton [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:01 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: The East We may all be in the East, though I don't think so, BUT we're not all in New Yawk (or however you spell it.) I'm up here in the sticks of VT and some in MA and CT, even some in NJ. Ruth At 2:05 PM -0500 11/15/03, [log in to unmask] wrote: In a message dated 11/15/2003 11:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: Any representation from Pennsylvania? Or maybe the West? -Jeremy -- Ruth Barton [log in to unmask] Dummerston, VT -- To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to: <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html> -- To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to: <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>