Here's a curious thing - a customer, running W98SE, had never updated or patched his originally installed Internet Explorer 5. So I sat with him and showed him how to get to the Windows update site, then looked for available updates. There were none available! No patches, no updates, nothing available for him to download. So I applied an archive that I keep on a CD, that took his IE5 to IE 5.5. I use this one regularly to take new W98 builds to within about 75% of a full upgrade, then I finish them off online. But after rebooting with IE upgraded to 5.5, still no Microsoft updates available. I've never seen this behaviour before - can anyone comment? Ian Porter Computer Guys Inc. Arrowtown New Zealand [log in to unmask] PCSOFT maintains many useful files for download visit our download web page at: http://freepctech.com/downloads.shtml