But no one has yet answered my initial question. Where, geographically was/is this camp located, and who was the BARTON for whom it was named? Ruth At 10:18 PM -0800 3/24/03, Cuyler Page wrote: Order of the Arrow wing ding was great, The year of my initiation, the midnight event got completely out of hand and the upperclassmen who were initiating us turned it into an all night screaming torture session, moving through the woods faster than the counsellors (who were wimps compared to the "big boys"), thinking that it should be like the fraternity initiations they had heard about (but never experienced), and the administration had a fit and put all the group members on probation, saying that we initiates should have known better than to go along with it (while we were blindfolded and being beaten), with stern lectures being given to the whole camp forced to stand at perfect attention because the drill master shouted so loud and they talked a lot about how the Order was supposed to be a dignified thing with an ancient history of noble Indians and now it had been insulted, yada yada yada......The next event was very very dignified. No Indians in sight. the old hotel, subject of many scary stories and home of many rats. In my time (how possessive we can be about time), the Hotel was the administrative centre with offices upstairs (even the camper selected Officer of the Day had an office he shared with the Bugler) (did I spell that right?) and a store downstairs that made use of the old hotel bar counter. If you had a little money on deposit there, you could go buy a candy bar in the evening. The money was deposited on your arrival, limiting the amount you could spend during the week. I often dreamed of what terrible cheating event in the tents must have led to the setting up of that system. On the other hand, it did make you aware of living within your means. The down sided was that you were locked in for a week with no hope of improving your situation. Perhaps that was supposed to be a life lesson too. Everything seemed to be intended as a life lesson. cp still broke in bc -- Ruth Barton [log in to unmask] Westminster, VT -- To terminate puerile preservation prattling among pals and the uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to: <http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/bullamanka-pinheads.html>