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Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
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Jim,
You mean you're not Dumdacrat?
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In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my
> shame.
>
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing Dubya.
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My number was 4 in '72(I had the low number in my dorm and claimed the gallon
of beer that we had chipped in for) and I remember that the draft ended in
January of '73. It was announced by my hero, Secretary of Defense, Melvin
Laird. The Navy recruiter was disappointed.
DAVID
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I also had a 1973 number, but I don't remember it...I didn't care, being =
deaf and all, I was gonna be DQ'd anyway.
sign me,
eh?
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but they kept the lottery around for a couple of more years.
sign me,
278 in '73
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Department of Futures Trading: My book, "Streetscapes", will not be published
until May, but it's already flying off the shelves: the Barnes & Noble
website says it ranks #167,779. Best, Christopher
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC & Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
At 12:48 PM -0500 2/19/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for the oil.
More likely it would be for the water
I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories straight,
will ya?
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Contents deleted again. It must be Ralph's fault, no offense intended.
Oh, well, have a good day, mates...
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...all in agreement that we brought this shit on ourselves?
HC,
Fer sure... but in no way do I feel responsible on a personal or local basis.
I'd rather take a Taoist position and admit that dumb people rule. What else
is new?
I consulted my constitutional mentor last night and he informs me that
Congress declares war, but that the president has the right to send the
troops wherever for 90 days and that if someone shoots at them then they can
shoot back to their heart's content and as much as the president tells them
to and he does not have to ask Congress. The practice, as opposed to the
principle, got us this far; of some 210 conflicts it seems the US has
declared war only 5 times.
As to the French and Germans (both of whom make up significant portions of my
ancestry -- so I would appreciate dropping the Nationalist slurs, or at least
inventing new and witty ones), my understanding is that they have been
working on negotiating oil deals w/ Iraq for quite some time, in anticipation
of resolution of the UN sanctions, and that if the US goes in and starts
shooting that it throws the French deals out the window. Whose oil are we
talking about? Arthur Koestler writing about his adventures in Europe during
WW2, to say nothing of Celine's stories, gives a good perspective on the
absurdist relevance of global conflict. I suspect the only thing that keeps
humans from blowing everything to crap is that those with the means to
persist got satiated & worn out in the last century. Obviously Ossama &
Saddam & their folks did not get enough.
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy
and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
result.
You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet
Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the other day. What
gives?
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lves?<BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">HC,<BR>
<BR>
Fer sure... but in no way do I feel responsible on a personal or local basis=
. I'd rather take a Taoist position and admit that dumb people rule. What el=
se is new?<BR>
<BR>
I consulted my constitutional mentor last night and he informs me that Congr=
ess declares war, but that the president has the right to send the troops wh=
erever for 90 days and that if someone shoots at them then they can shoot ba=
ck to their heart's content and as much as the president tells them to and h=
e does not have to ask Congress. The practice, as opposed to the principle,=20=
got us this far; of some 210 conflicts it seems the US has declared war only=
5 times.<BR>
<BR>
As to the French and Germans (both of whom make up significant portions of m=
y ancestry -- so I would appreciate dropping the Nationalist slurs, or at le=
ast inventing new and witty ones), my understanding is that they have been w=
orking on negotiating oil deals w/ Iraq for quite some time, in anticipation=
of resolution of the UN sanctions, and that if the US goes in and starts sh=
ooting that it throws the French deals out the window. Whose oil are we talk=
ing about? Arthur Koestler writing about his adventures in Europe during WW2=
, to say nothing of Celine's stories, gives a good perspective on the absurd=
ist relevance of global conflict. I suspect the only thing that keeps humans=
from blowing everything to crap is that those with the means to persist got=
satiated & worn out in the last century. Obviously Ossama & Saddam=20=
& their folks did not get enough.<BR>
<BR>
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of Kuwa=
it the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy and=20=
took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a result.<=
BR>
<BR>
You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet Unio=
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ves?<BR>
<BR>
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will all
melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you
get a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a week
later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just in time for another
snow fall and freeze. ][<en
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ttacked Antarctica<BR>
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a=
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two-footer is a snow squall.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will all me=
lt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you ge=
t a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a week=20=
later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just in time for another=20=
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I had a number up in the high 300's... but I don't remember what year it was
or what the number was... in fact, I don't remember too much about it at all
being a fog of jumbled experiences, you know. A few years like the day David
Via became a stone mason. What I do remember was that my stepfather was going
to make a significant and violent alteration to my life if I was drafted and
did not go directly to Nam, as he had gone to Korea. It was the threat of
significant alteration that mostly kept me in a mental condition that
precluded my remembering. My hanging with the Quakers & non-violent
workshops, counseling draft dodgers, odd friends in the SDS, long hair and
curious run-ins with the law did not set well w/ my stepfather, nor with his
born again parents, which did set well with me being a passive resistant sort
of fellow that fit best in the woods when left alone. By the time I recovered
my senses the draft was over and I was busting stone in farm country. The
only thing my mother ever told me about political action, and quite seriously
concerned that I would not pay attention, was not to get involved in the
civil rights movement. She was honestly afraid I'd get lynched. Not all
drafts have numbers. I'm very much in favor of the Marxist technique to
infiltrate then eat out from the core of the beast and I have lived my life
and political persuasions accordingly. As a registered Republican I support
choice, I desire elimination of all drug laws, I despise welfare abuse, and I
will be damned if they take away my guns. ][<en
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ember what year it was or what the number was... in fact, I don't remember t=
oo much about it at all being a fog of jumbled experiences, you know. A few=20=
years like the day David Via became a stone mason. What I do remember was th=
at my stepfather was going to make a significant and violent alteration to m=
y life if I was drafted and did not go directly to Nam, as he had gone to Ko=
rea. It was the threat of significant alteration that mostly kept me in a me=
ntal condition that precluded my remembering. My hanging with the Quakers &a=
mp; non-violent workshops, counseling draft dodgers, odd friends in the SDS,=
long hair and curious run-ins with the law did not set well w/ my stepfathe=
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Last February had a fairly extensive operation on my knee-
Md told me I really should have had it done years ago, my Dad slapped
his forehead in one of those classic "oops I forgot something"
pantomimes when he saw me on crutches and parroted the idea that I
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He'd forbidden it in my teens as he always figured I'd get ti done the
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:58:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was
elected. Shame on me.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and there=
by electing Dubya.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was=20=
elected. Shame on me.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:56:25 -0500
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> >From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked
Antarctica
> and they dumped snow on NYC & Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
> two-footer is a snow squall.
>
>
>
> At 12:48 PM -0500 2/19/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 8:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I guess if we were to attack an enemy in Antarctica it would be for
the oil.
>
>
> More likely it would be for the water
>
>
>
> I thought there's a lot of snow down there. Get your stories
straight,
> will ya?
>
> Ralph
>
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that I heard somewhere that
Antarctica is actually a giant desert with very little precipitation
on annual basis. If there's a lot of snow it's because it never melts?
Edison Coatings, Inc.
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> and I will be damned if they take away my guns.
I second that.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
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I second that.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:02:48 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Y Not Draft X Chromosomes
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Not I.
Sign me,
Pam the 60's baby.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Met History
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:18 PM
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Subject: Y Not Draft X Chromosomes
In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked
out one's year?
Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers
that would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone
out there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=795250216-20022003>Not I.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=795250216-20022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=795250216-20022003>Sign me,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=795250216-20022003>Pam the 60's baby.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:18 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Y Not Draft X
Chromosomes<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">In a message dated 2/19/03
1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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they worked out one's year?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF"><BR>Year of birth.
Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that would have
applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out there born
4-24-1950? Best, #2</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: So, what jerk wrote #167,778?
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:57:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Department of Futures Trading: My book, "Streetscapes", will not be
> published until May, but it's already flying off the shelves: the Barnes &
> Noble website says it ranks #167,779.
I'm sure that's the number of copies ordered prior to publication.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Department of Futures Trading:=20=
My book, "Streetscapes", will not be published until May, but it's already f=
lying off the shelves: the Barnes &Noble website says it ranks #167,779.=
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I'm sure that's the number of copies ordered prior to publication.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet
> Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the other day.
> What gives?
>
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. I
THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews proved
to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for the
Soviets' taste.
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.
Ralph
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You got any info on the Jewish=20=
utopia that Stalin created in the Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd n=
ever heard of it until the other day. What gives?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. =
; I THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews pr=
oved to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for=20=
the Soviets' taste. <BR>
<BR>
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:35:48 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I was 8 yrs old in 1950. Ruth
At 2:18 PM -0500 2/19/03, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 2/19/03 1:21:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Any of the rest of you geezers (or geezerettes) remember how they worked
out one's year?
Year of birth. Be kind of interesting to figure out the draft numbers that
would have applied to the females. Pam, Estelle, Ruth, Heidi anyone out
there born 4-24-1950? Best, #2
--
Ruth Barton
[log in to unmask]
Westminster, VT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot and Bill Clinton was
> elected. Shame on me.
>
Steve,
Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I was a real dummy also because I supported Ross Perot=
and Bill Clinton was elected. Shame on me.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice of
Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of that
nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was paying
a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back then
as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the Kuwaiti's
aid).
My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal though
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got greedy
and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
result.
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:13:55 -0600
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I believe the drilling technique is diagonal, or slanted. I'm sure it
did not originate with the Kewaiti's...they probably had some help from
Texas. Consultants. Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the
same family don't it?
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice
> of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of
> that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
> paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
> then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
> Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>>
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
> greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:28:55 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
Bruce,
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far back as
the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all his neighbors)
got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil company that was drilling
under his house in LA from some distance (maybe miles) away.
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide pool
of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact the oil co
had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace. I also remember
many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I was a little kid
than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the impression that the wells
(which I think dated from the'20's) had been pumped dry, and not that their
removal was the result of environmental concerns.
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills resulting
from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember any about
land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company disguise a new
oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall, narrow building.
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well museums, when
you need them?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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on was that SH was pissed because the<BR>
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling<BR=
>
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal though=
<BR>
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it<B=
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to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far back as=20=
the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all his neighbors)=20=
got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil company that was drilling=20=
under his house in LA from some distance (maybe miles) away. <BR>
<BR>
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide pool=20=
of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact the oil co h=
ad to chase the oil around with their little bit brace. I also remembe=
r many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I was a little kid=20=
than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the impression that the wells=
(which I think dated from the'20's) had been pumped dry, and not that their=
removal was the result of environmental concerns. <BR>
<BR>
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills resulting fr=
om drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember any about land-bas=
ed drilling, although They did make some oil company disguise a new oil well=
in the middle of LA to look like a tall, narrow building.<BR>
<BR>
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well museums, when=
you need them? <BR>
<BR>
Ralph </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:46:56 -0600
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Drakes Well Museum
http://www.drakewell.org/
The well on the site is a replica of Drake's first, but down the road a=20=
piece is a well that had some sort of major significance. I remember=20
something about it being pumped a little each eary just to maintain its=20=
status as the oldest operating well...or something like that. The=20
folks at Drake are real nice. Say hello to Barbara and Larry for me if=20=
you contact them for info.
One fun incident I remember is failing some sort of EPA test because=20
there was petrolium in our ground water. Surprise!
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal=20
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal=20=
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),=20
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far=20
> back as the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all=20=
> his neighbors) got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil=20
> company that was drilling under his house in LA from some distance=20
> (maybe miles) away.
>
> I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide=20=
> pool of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact=20=
> the oil co had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace.=A0 =
I=20
> also remember many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I=20=
> was a little kid than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the=20
> impression that the wells (which I think dated from the'20's) had been=20=
> pumped dry, and not that their removal was the result of environmental=20=
> concerns.
>
> The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills=20
> resulting from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember=20=
> any about land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company=20=
> disguise a new oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall,=20
> narrow building.
>
> Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well=20
> museums, when you need them?
>
> Ralph=
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Drakes Well Museum
http://www.drakewell.org/
The well on the site is a replica of Drake's first, but down the road
a piece is a well that had some sort of major significance. I
remember something about it being pumped a little each eary just to
maintain its status as the oldest operating well...or something like
that. The folks at Drake are real nice. Say hello to Barbara and
Larry for me if you contact them for info.
One fun incident I remember is failing some sort of EPA test because
there was petrolium in our ground water. Surprise!
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 1:06:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>My understanding of the situation was that SH
was pissed because the
Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
drilling
technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
though
I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
using it
to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
Bruce,
I know there was some sort of horizontal drilling technology as far
back as the early 1960's, because my grandfather (and presumably all
his neighbors) got some sort of minuscule payments from some oil
company that was drilling under his house in LA from some distance
(maybe miles) away.
I didn't get the impression that they were all sitting on a miles-wide
pool of oil that was being sucked up from one spot, but that in fact
the oil co had to chase the oil around with their little bit brace.=A0 I
also remember many more oil wells visible around LA in the 50's when I
was a little kid than there were in the 60's and 70's, and have the
impression that the wells (which I think dated from the'20's) had been
pumped dry, and not that their removal was the result of environmental
concerns.
The first environmental stuff I remember was worry about spills
resulting from drilling for oil in the ocean off LA; I don't remember
any about land-based drilling, although They did make some oil company
disguise a new oil well in the middle of LA to look like a tall,
narrow building.
Where are the petrochemical engineers, or curators of oil well
museums, when you need them?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:09:31 -0500
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A Google search on "horizontal oil drilling" gets one a lot of information,
one item stating that horizontal drilling technology (may also be called
"directional drilling") was 'perfected in Alberta in the 1980's and 90's'
(from Nickle's Daily Oil Bulletin, a publication of the Nickle Energy group,
a Canadian company located in Alberta...).
Another item dated 12/8/97 about the technology coming to Kansas (evidently
not as technologically advanced as those in Alberta) says:
>
For more than a hundred years, traditional oil wells have been drilled
vertically, straight down into the ground. When these wells reach an
oil-bearing rock formation, oil drains into the well from the surrounding
rock.
A horizontal well begins like a traditional vertical well, at least until it
nears the oil-bearing rock bed. At that point, sophisticated technology is
used to turn the drill bit and drive the well horizontally. The drill then
chews its way laterally along the targeted rock layer.
Traditional vertical wells drain oil from a single hole poked through a rock
layer. But horizontal wells encounter several hundred, maybe several
thousand, feet of a rock bed, allowing them to drain substantially more oil
from the rock.
>
One item made mention of using an existing vertical well casing, going down
to some depth, cutting hole in the side of the casing, and heading out
through that hole at some angle.
Apparently they use gyros to guide the drill bit but don't ask me how it
works.
Not my forte'. BSME
P.S. One of the items found makes reference to investment opportunities in
the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mine
who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on
Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling technology.
I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Sneaky Drilling
I believe the drilling technique is diagonal, or slanted. I'm sure it
did not originate with the Kewaiti's...they probably had some help from
Texas. Consultants. Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the
same family don't it?
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice
> of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of
> that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
> paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
> then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
> Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal
> drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
> though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that),
> using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>>
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
> greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
>>
>
> ][<en
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:14:48 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 1:13:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hmmmmm...seems the problem keeps returning to the same family don't it?
>
Must be a coincidence.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
Must be a coincidence.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:52:11 EST
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 2:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> P.S. One of the items found makes reference to investment opportunities in
> the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mine
> who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on
> Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling
> technology.
> I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.
>
Bruce,
Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.
Maybe he was even a Democrat.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">P.S. One of the items fou=
nd makes reference to investment opportunities in<BR>
the technology. It reminds me of a auto body shop manager friend of mi=
ne<BR>
who hit some hard times down in Houston and got into making sales calls on<B=
R>
Bubbas, trying to get them to invest in the directional drilling technology.=
<BR>
I think that was about 5 years ago. He didn't get rich.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.=
Maybe he was even a Democrat.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:53:07 EST
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Yes, there is and she is a wood leg, glass eyed smart ass. Eeeewwwww is
> right.
>
You must be some prize yourself.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Yes, there is and she is a wood leg, glass eyed smart=20=
ass. Eeeewwwww is right.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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You must be some prize yourself.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:56:10 EST
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In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Define "easier". It certainly was and is less tedious.
John,
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a
sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
Ralph
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
> >>pair up with! -jc
> >
> >John,
> >
> >You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
> >dryer. But nooooooooo..........
> >
> >Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
> >
> >Ralph
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<BR>
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Define "easier". It certa=
inly was and is less tedious.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" st=
yle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Aria=
l" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>John,<BR>
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a sockma=
te, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.<BR>
<BR>
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,<BR>
>[log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
><BR>
>>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to<BR>
>>pair up with! -jc<BR>
><BR>
>John,<BR>
><BR>
>You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own<BR>
>dryer. But nooooooooo..........<BR>
><BR>
>Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?<BR>
><BR>
>Ralph<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:05:23 -0800
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"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein
prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a
transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that
later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been
considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait. A journalist questioned
then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no
interest in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this
is true I have no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not
being quite up to the task and her misunderstanding the depth of the
intentions behind Saddam's words. Regardless, the incident is often
cited as the US having given Saddam permission to invade and annex Kuwait.
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<font color="#330033" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">"But we have no
opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">US Ambassador April Glaspie
to Saddam Hussein</font> prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait,
as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is
reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never
been considered that Saddam would take <u>all </u>of Kuwait. A journalist
questioned then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no interest
in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this is true I have
no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not being quite up to the
task and her misunderstanding the depth of the intentions behind Saddam's
words. Regardless, the incident is often cited as the US having given Saddam
permission to invade and annex Kuwait.<br>
<br>
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Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps stimulating.=20=
Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks=20=
for any length of time.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Define "easier".=A0 It certainly was and is less tedious.
>
>
>
> John,
> Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a=20=
> sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
>
> I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44=A0 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
> >>pair up with! -jc
> >
> >John,
> >
> >You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
> >dryer.=A0 But nooooooooo..........
> >
> >Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
> >
> >Ralph
>
>
>
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Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps
stimulating. Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in
matching socks for any length of time.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 06:56 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/18/2003 10:08:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Define "easier".=A0 It certainly was and is less
tedious.
=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>=
<smaller>John,
Are you saying it's easier and less tedious to find a soulmate than a
sockmate, or vice versa? Just trying to get this clarified.
I wonder if that's why girls wear pantyhose.
Ralph
=
</smaller></color></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><col=
or><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>On
Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:44=A0 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
>In a message dated 2/18/2003 9:12:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>>Isn't amazing how many people manage to find someone to
>>pair up with! -jc
>
>John,
>
>You'd think it would be easier to find matching socks in your own
>dryer.=A0 But nooooooooo..........
>
>Or are our sock standards higher than our marital standards?
>
>Ralph
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
> disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein
> prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript
> supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that later Glaspie
> told a reporter to the effect that it had never been considered that Saddam
> would take all of Kuwait.
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything. On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might have
been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and his pecker
in his pocket.
Ambassador Ralph
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade social
studies class, a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of Libya, was
intended to form the Republic of Groveland, was somehow overlooked by the
then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a gentleman named Qaddafi)
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#330033"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, l=
ike your border disagreement with Kuwait." </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times N=
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NT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=
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ainst Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York T=
imes. It is reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that i=
t had never been considered that Saddam would take <U>all </U>of Kuwait.</BL=
OCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take anyth=
ing. On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might have be=
en wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and his pecker in=
his pocket.<BR>
<BR>
Ambassador Ralph<BR>
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade socia=
l studies class, a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of Libya,=
was intended to form the Republic of Groveland, was somehow overlooke=
d by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a gentleman named Qadd=
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps stimulating.
> Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks
> for any length of time.
>
John,
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is indeed more
interesting and more stimulating than trying to match socks. However, both
can be exasperating processes, and deeply satisfying when all works out well.
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it remains
a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Not exactly easier Ralph...just=
more interesting...perhaps stimulating. <BR>
Finding one's mate. I really can't stay interested in matching socks=20=
<BR>
for any length of time.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is indeed mor=
e interesting and more stimulating than trying to match socks. However=
, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply satisfying when all works o=
ut well.<BR>
<BR>
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it remains=
a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:40:19 -0600
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Sometimes I wonder if diplomats would benefit substantially by having=20
some plain and direct spoken fellow...or lady, at his/her side...to=20
make sure that content is not mistaken. No authority to speak for the=20=
nation of course, that could be embarrassing. But maybe if Ralph had=20
been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along with=20=
Ms. April and made his statement, there would have been no=20
misunderstanding.
Sometimes the problem with being professionally represented is that one=20=
is not appropriately represented. We can be a rude speaking people,=20
(judging by this group). Our representatives should remember that on=20
occassion and demonstrate an understanding our our language and values.=20=
Maybe that's why Powell makes sense to me. Of course that would kinda=20=
explain dbya also...at least to anyone who thinks there is an=20
explaintionerary.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:19 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> "But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border=20=
> disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam=20
> Hussein prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from=20=
> a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported=20
> that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never=20
> been considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait.
>
>
>
> I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take=20=
> anything.=A0 On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might=20=
> have been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and=20=
> his pecker in his pocket.
>
> Ambassador Ralph
> (whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade=20=
> social studies class,=A0 a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south =
of=20
> Libya, was intended to form the Republic of Groveland,=A0 was somehow=20=
> overlooked by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a=20
> gentleman named Qaddafi)=
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Sometimes I wonder if diplomats would benefit substantially by having
some plain and direct spoken fellow...or lady, at his/her side...to
make sure that content is not mistaken. No authority to speak for the
nation of course, that could be embarrassing. But maybe if Ralph had
been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along
with Ms. April and made his statement, there would have been no
misunderstanding. =20
Sometimes the problem with being professionally represented is that
one is not appropriately represented. We can be a rude speaking
people, (judging by this group). Our representatives should remember
that on occassion and demonstrate an understanding our our language
and values. Maybe that's why Powell makes sense to me. Of course
that would kinda explain dbya also...at least to anyone who thinks
there is an explaintionerary.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:19 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:09:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Times New =
Roman</param><color><param>3333,0000,3333</param><smaller>"But
we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border
disagreement with Kuwait."
</smaller></color><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>US
Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam
=
Hussein</smaller></color></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><col=
or><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller> prior
to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript
supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that later
Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been
considered that Saddam would take <underline>all </underline>of =
Kuwait.</smaller></color></fontfamily>
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything.=A0 On the other hand, I can see where in retrospect it might
have been wiser to tell him to keep his grubby mitts the hell off and
his pecker in his pocket.
Ambassador Ralph
(whose offer to purchase, along with the rest of Mr. Grove's 7th grade
social studies class,=A0 a diamond-shaped disputed area at the south of
Libya, was intended to form the Republic of Groveland,=A0 was somehow
overlooked by the then-recently-installed gov't of Libya under a
gentleman named Qaddafi)</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:53:16 -0600
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I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks=20
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the=20
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started=20
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.=20=
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find=20
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the=20=
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave=20
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Not exactly easier Ralph...just more interesting...perhaps =
stimulating.
> Finding one's mate.=A0 I really can't stay interested in matching =
socks
> for any length of time.
>
>
>
> John,
>
> It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is=20
> indeed more interesting and more stimulating than trying to match=20
> socks.=A0 However, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply=20
> satisfying when all works out well.
>
> Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it=20=
> remains a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.=A0
>
> Ralph
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I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the
top. I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to
find matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go
"into the cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz! =20
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Not exactly easier Ralph...just more
interesting...perhaps stimulating.
Finding one's mate.=A0 I really can't stay interested in matching socks
for any length of time.
John,
It is my experience as well that spouse- (or squeeze-) finding is
indeed more interesting and more stimulating than trying to match
socks.=A0 However, both can be exasperating processes, and deeply
satisfying when all works out well.
Given that I have a drawer full of black socks that SHOULD match, it
remains a mystery to me that there are always widows and orphans.=A0
Ralph
</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:05:10 EST
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<[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> But maybe if Ralph had been at the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball
> with Sadam along with Ms. April and made his statement, there would have
> been no
> misunderstanding.
>
Nah. My problem has always been that despite my highly-developed 20-20
hindsight blustering, I'm a realtime wuss. Ken will confirm this.
Then again, I recently had a very loud speakerphone argument in the office
with the Client from Hell and with my boss in the room. Seemed to buy me a
few minutes respect from my coworkers, so maybe it wasn't totally wasted. It
was fun, too.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:39:51 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But maybe if Ralph had been at=20=
the table and had gone eyeball to eyeball with Sadam along with Ms. April an=
d made his statement, there would have been no <BR>
misunderstanding.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Nah. My problem has always been that despite my highly-developed 20-20=
hindsight blustering, I'm a realtime wuss. Ken will confirm this.<BR>
<BR>
Then again, I recently had a very loud speakerphone argument in the office w=
ith the Client from Hell and with my boss in the room. Seemed to buy m=
e a few minutes respect from my coworkers, so maybe it wasn't totally wasted=
. It was fun, too.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
John,
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 years, but
hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears that we are in
complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm frequently accused of being=
obssessive about stuff...but socks <BR>
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the <BR=
>
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started <BR>
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the top.=
<BR>
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find <BR>
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the <BR>
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.<BR>
<BR>
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave <B=
R>
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John, <BR>
<BR>
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 year=
s, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears tha=
t we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a daily b=
asis.<BR>
<BR>
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for=20=
survival. Clean socks are a joy.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:11 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30=20=
> years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it=20
> appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean=20=
> socks on a daily basis.
>
> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
> Ralph=
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary
for survival. Clean socks are a joy.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:11 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I'm frequently accused of being obssessive
about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean
socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:51:00 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for
> survival. Clean socks are a joy.
>
John,
You're right. In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I
couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to have to
wear already-worn socks. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly clean
Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a valuable and
vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off before you even
think about putting the dish in the dishwater. I have been a stickler for
clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining same, ever since. The Little
Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem to "get" this, no matter how much I
yell about it. Their failure in this regard is MOST distressing.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think the clean socks is a ca=
mping thing. Dry feet are necessary for <BR>
survival. Clean socks are a joy.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
You're right. In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I c=
ouldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to have to w=
ear already-worn socks. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.<B=
R>
<BR>
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly clean=20=
Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a valuable and viv=
id lesson about the importance of getting the crud off before you even think=
about putting the dish in the dishwater. I have been a stickler for c=
lean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining same, ever since. The Lit=
tle Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem to "get" this, no matter how mu=
ch I yell about it. Their failure in this regard is MOST distressing.<=
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<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Ommm?
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In a message dated 2/20/03 10:54:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> the importance of getting the crud off before you even think about putting
> the dish in the dishwater.
Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. Saw it in the Wall Street Journal
last fall. You're wasting your time - go shave your armpits. Yrs,
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rud off before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater. =
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 11:47:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. Yeah, well, I was talking about
> old-fashioned hand-washing of dishes when away from comforts of Mommy's
> kitchen. It was a sight to put you off sloppy seconds forever. Or perhaps
> KC/Minhattin Boy Scouts had a cushier time of it than we manly
> Californians. Saw it in the Wall Street Journal last fall. You believe
> that rag? Next you'll be quoting from the Times Real Estate Section You're
> wasting your time - go shave your armpits. Whassammatta, you don't go for
> the Continental look? I'd as soon wear dirty socks. Yrs, Conelrad
> Rockely and Bullelwinkle say hello, William.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Dishwasher mfrs say rinsing is irrelevant. <B>Yeah, w=
ell, I was talking about old-fashioned hand-washing of dishes when away from=
comforts of Mommy's kitchen. It was a sight to put you off sloppy sec=
onds forever. Or perhaps KC/Minhattin Boy Scouts had a cushier time of it th=
an we manly Californians. </B>Saw it in the Wall Street Journal=20=
last fall. <B>You believe that rag? Next you'll be quoting from the Ti=
mes Real Estate Section</B> You're wasting your time - go shave your armpits=
. <B>Whassammatta, you don't go for the Continental look? I'd as soon wear d=
irty socks.</B> Yrs, Conelrad <B>Rockely and Bullelwinkle=20=
say hello, William.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 06:02:17 -0500
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in =
NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won =
the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the =
voting reg six months before the election and on election day in many =
black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of =
the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this =
one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" =
has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.=20
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
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What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing =
Dubya.
Ralph
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any case=20
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the=20
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black=20
counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the =
other=20
voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this one time =
we're going=20
to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well =
and is=20
very alive in the grand ole sout. </FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern =
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg =
Dummy=20
much to my shame.</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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Nader and=20
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
>
Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.<BR>
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?<BR>
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Or a cigar, for that matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
[log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
Steve
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:23
AM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Iraq response & Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=3
FAMILY="SCRIPT">In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard
Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
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than Clinton won.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0
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color=#000000 face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=3
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I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher, but=20
these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the placement of the=20=
dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial relationships.=20=
I always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my=20
job, no one wants to develop these skills.
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and=20=
easy going as I claim. This must stop.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:51 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I think the clean socks is a camping thing.=A0 Dry feet are necessary =
for
> survival.=A0 Clean socks are a joy.
>
>
>
> John,
>
> You're right.=A0 In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where =
I=20
> couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to=20
> have to wear already-worn socks.=A0 Gives me the shivers just thinking=20=
> about it.
>
> Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly=20=
> clean Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a=20
> valuable and vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off=20=
> before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater.=A0 I =
have=20
> been a stickler for clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining=20
> same, ever since.=A0 The Little Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not =
seem=20
> to "get" this, no matter how much I yell about it.=A0 Their failure in=20=
> this regard is MOST distressing.
>
> Ralph=
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I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher, but
these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the placement of
the dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial
relationships. I always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately
that made it my job, no one wants to develop these skills.
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back
and easy going as I claim. This must stop.
-jc
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:51 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/20/2003 10:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I think the clean socks is a camping thing.=A0
Dry feet are necessary for
survival.=A0 Clean socks are a joy.
John,
You're right.=A0 In my yout' as a Boy Scout, I got to the point where I
couldn;t stand being dirty anymore, but absolutely the worst was to
have to wear already-worn socks.=A0 Gives me the shivers just thinking
about it.
Having seen all manner of muck floating around in a pan of supposedly
clean Boy Scout dishwater on a campout early on, I also learned a
valuable and vivid lesson about the importance of getting the crud off
before you even think about putting the dish in the dishwater.=A0 I have
been a stickler for clean dishes, and proper methods of obtaining
same, ever since.=A0 The Little Ralphs, and even Mrs. Ralph, do not seem
to "get" this, no matter how much I yell about it.=A0 Their failure in
this regard is MOST distressing.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:29:06 EST
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Chrif,
I need your assistance.
Steve
Dear Friend,
My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH
ESTRADA, the former President of Philippines located
in the South East Asia.
My husband was recently impeached from office by a
backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the Senate.
My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on
charges of corruption, embezzlement, and the
mysterious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence.
The present government is forcing my husband out of
Manila to avoid demonstration by his supporters.
During my husband's regime as president of Philippine,
I realized some reasonable amount of money from
various deals that I successfully executed. I have
plans to invest this money for my children's future on real estate and
industrial production. My husband is not
aware of this because I wish to do it secretly for
now.
before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned
the sum of $30,000,000 million USD (Thirty million United states dollars) out
of Philippines and deposited the money with a security firm that transports
valuable goods and consignments through diplomatic means.
I am contacting you because I want you to go to the
security company and claim the money on my behalf
since I have declared that the consignment belong to
my foreign business partner. You shall also be
required to assist me in investment in your country.
I hope to trust you as a God fearing person who will
not sit on this money when you claim it, rather assist me
properly, I expect you to declare what percentage of
the total money you will take for your assistance.
When I receive your positive response I will let you
know where the security company is
and the payment pin code to claim the money which is
very important.
For now, let all our communication is by e-mail
because my line are right now connected to the
Philippines Telecommunication Network services. Please
also send me your telephone and fax number.
I will ask my son contact you to give you more details on after i have
received a responce from you.Respond through my most confodential email
[log in to unmask]
Thank you and God bless you and family.
MRS LOI C ESTRADA
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<BR>
I need your assistance.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
E=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
Dear Friend, <BR>
<BR>
My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH <BR>
ESTRADA, the former President of Philippines located <BR>
in the South East Asia. <BR>
<BR>
My husband was recently impeached from office by a <BR>
backed uprising of mass demonstrators and the Senate. <BR>
<BR>
My husband is presently in jail and facing trial on <BR>
charges of corruption, embezzlement, and the <BR>
mysterious charge of plunder which might lead to death sentence. <BR>
The present government is forcing my husband out of <BR>
Manila to avoid demonstration by his supporters. <BR>
<BR>
During my husband's regime as president of Philippine, <BR>
I realized some reasonable amount of money from <BR>
various deals that I successfully executed. I have <BR>
plans to invest this money for my children's future on real estate and indus=
trial production. My husband is not <BR>
aware of this because I wish to do it secretly for <BR>
now. <BR>
<BR>
before my husband was impeached, I secretly siphoned <BR>
the sum of $30,000,000 million USD (Thirty million United states dollars) ou=
t of Philippines and deposited the money with a security firm that transport=
s valuable goods and consignments through diplomatic means. <BR>
<BR>
I am contacting you because I want you to go to the <BR>
security company and claim the money on my behalf <BR>
since I have declared that the consignment belong to <BR>
my foreign business partner. You shall also be <BR>
required to assist me in investment in your country. <BR>
<BR>
I hope to trust you as a God fearing person who will <BR>
not sit on this money when you claim it, rather assist me <BR>
properly, I expect you to declare what percentage of <BR>
the total money you will take for your assistance. <BR>
<BR>
When I receive your positive response I will let you <BR>
know where the security company is <BR>
and the payment pin code to claim the money which is <BR>
very important. <BR>
<BR>
For now, let all our communication is by e-mail <BR>
because my line are right now connected to the <BR>
Philippines Telecommunication Network services. Please <BR>
also send me your telephone and fax number. <BR>
<BR>
I will ask my son contact you to give you more details on after i have recei=
ved a responce from you.Respond through my most confodential email mrsestrad=
[log in to unmask] <BR>
<BR>
Thank you and God bless you and family. <BR>
<BR>
MRS LOI C ESTRADA <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:37:31 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect
my right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in
the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you
guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute
little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the
house of representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens.
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It would help if you
were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State
was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he
just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the voting reg six
months before the election and on election day in many black counties
there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the other
voting eregularities which the supreams said that just this one time
we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern Stradegy" has
worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>Ralph Walter</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated 2/19/2003
6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>What you SHOULD be ashamed of is
supporting Nader and thereby electing Dubya.
Ralph</color></smaller></fontfamily>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:38:12 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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EWWWWWW! YUCK!
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:22 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Better that Perot lost than Clinton won.
>
>
>
> Ralph,
>
> I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
>
> Steve
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EWWWWWW! YUCK!
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:22 AM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>In a message dated
2/20/2003 12:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Better
that Perot lost than Clinton won.
</smaller></color></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Ralph,
I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:48:35 EST
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<[log in to unmask]>
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
Jim,
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing
contractors' Applications for Payment. This is as opposed to contractors,
who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing their bids and
Applications for Payment.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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to add better than I can spell.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jim,<BR>
<BR>
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing contr=
actors' Applications for Payment. This is as opposed to contractors, w=
ho use a special multiplying calculator for preparing their bids and Applica=
tions for Payment.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:00:24 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing=20=
> contractors' Applications for Payment.=A0 This is as opposed to=20
> contractors, who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing=20
> their bids and Applications for Payment.
>
> Ralph=
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Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:48 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/21/2003 6:02:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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</smaller></fontfamily>It would help if you were able to add better
than I can spell.
Jim,
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>>Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph<<
No, but I can't stand it when the big toe holes are both
lefties!
Rudy
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Any of you
pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?<br>
<br>
Ralph<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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but I can’t stand it when the big toe holes are both =
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:12:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.
Sign me,
Boxersocks
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks=
?<BR>
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No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 2/20/2003 7:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You must be some prize yourself.
>
Ralf,
Thanks for the compliment.
Steve
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Subject: Boxers on?
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>>No, but I like clean boxers also. Not just clean socks.
Sign me,
Boxersocks <<
We've always had Collies. Grandpa had a boxer. Kept pretty
clean all by herself really. The day Grandpa died at the hospital, the
family came home and found Tony curled up dead in her dog house. Her
work was done.
Please let me keep my memories for a while yet.
Rudy
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Sign me,<br>
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family came home and found Tony curled up dead in her dog house. Her =
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done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:23:03 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:23:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I think you are correct. Can you imagine Perot with Lewinsky?
>
Steve,
Speaking of bringing up lunch....
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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winsky?<BR>
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<BR>
Speaking of bringing up lunch....<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take
anything.
The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again it did
not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation that such
wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In the same
conversation Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to stomach 10,000 body
bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they knew full well that the US
would not be happy. Is it good for the US to have a global reputation as a
blow-hard and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I want is kids that I know in the
military today not coming home. Seems to me I read recently that Teddy
Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
][<en
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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en light to take anything. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000=
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The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again it did=20=
not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation that such wobb=
ly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In the same conversati=
on Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to stomach 10,000 body bags. An=
Iraq official later admitted that they knew full well that the US would not=
be happy. Is it good for the US to have a global reputation as a blow-hard=20=
and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I want is kids that I know in the military=
today not coming home. Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was=
a woosie blow-hard.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: BP Un?
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In a message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. They have no sense of
> spacial relationships.
John, I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? Yrs., Rinse Cycle
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, johncalla=
[log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> the placement of the dishe=
s in the dishwasher. They have no sense of spacial relationships. &nbs=
p; I always have to go and reorganize...</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>John, I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? Yr=
s., Rinse Cycle </FONT></HTML>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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In a message dated 2/21/03 8:30:01 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Chrif, I need your assistance. Steve
>
> Dear Friend,
> My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH ESTRADA, the former
> President of Philippines located in the South East Asia. My husband was
> recently impeached from office by a backed uprising of mass demonstrators
> and the Senate.
>
Dear Loi:
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I've got the ring to prove it!
You give me back that $30 million or I'll tear your lying ass apart! You can
keep his two-timing ashes.
Yrs., Now Engaged to John Callan
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 8:30:01 AM, SavannahI=
[log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2=
px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Chrif, &nb=
sp; I need your assistance. Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>
<BR>Dear Friend,=20
<BR>My name is LOI C.ESTRADA,The wife of Mr. JOSEPH ESTRADA, the forme=
r President of Philippines located in the South East Asia. My hu=
sband was recently impeached from office by a backed uprising of mass=20=
demonstrators and the Senate.=20
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>Dear Loi:
<BR>You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I've got th=
e ring to prove it! You give me back that $30 million or I'll tear you=
r lying ass apart! You can keep his two-timing ashes.=20
<BR>Yrs., Now Engaged to John Callan</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
John,
> I suppose I don't think much about the crud in the dishwasher I was
> referring to crud in pans full of dishwater, in which (theoretically)
> dishes were being "washed", but in fact the crud was brushed off one guy's
> dishes and floated onto the next guy's. but these folks sure seem to thing
> I'm obsessive about the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. There's
> nothing obsessive about this. The dishwashers are designed to have dishes
> put into them in a certain way, and when people other than you and I don't
> do it that way, but just throw them in any way they feel like, they're
> doing it wrong. Don't we insist that contractors follow manufacturers'
> instructions, and don't the manufacturers insist on the same thing? They
> have no sense of spacial relationships. Or of following instructions. I
> always have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my job, no
> one wants to develop these skills. The rest of the world is very fortunate
> to have us saving them from their own folly, but I get the feeling that we
> are not as appreciated as we deserve.
>
> Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and
> easy going as I claim. This must stop. There are (in theory) some matters
> in which a certain limited flexibility may not be entirely deleterious, but
> in all others, proper procedures should be followed. Under pain of death.
Mr. Easygoing
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 8:24:43 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<B>John,</B><BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I suppose I don't think much ab=
out the crud in the dishwasher <B>I was referring to crud in pans full of di=
shwa<U>t</U>er</B>, <B>in which (theoretically) dishes were being "washed",=20=
but in fact the crud was brushed off one guy's dishes and floated onto the n=
ext guy's. </B>but these folks sure seem to thing I'm obsessive about the pl=
acement of the dishes in the dishwasher. <B>There's nothing obsessive about=20=
this. The dishwashers are designed to have dishes put into them in a c=
ertain way, and when people other than you and I don't do it that way, but j=
ust throw them in any way they feel like, they're doing it <U>wrong</U>. Don=
't we insist that contractors follow manufacturers' instructions, and don't=20=
the manufacturers insist on the same thing? </B>They have no sense of=20=
spacial relationships. <B>Or of following instructions. </B> I al=
ways have to go and reorganize...unfortunately that made it my job, no one w=
ants to develop these skills. <B>The rest of the world is very fortuna=
te to have us saving them from their own folly, but I get the feeling that w=
e are not as appreciated as we deserve.</B><BR>
<BR>
Geez, now you've gotton me to admit twice that I'm not as laid back and <BR>
easy going as I claim. This must stop. <B>There are (in theory)=20=
some matters in which a certain limited flexibility may not be entirely dele=
terious, but in all others, proper procedures should be followed. Unde=
r pain of death.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGR=
OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"=
></B><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>Mr. Easygoing</B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:37:47 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Large Armies
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The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D>=20
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm=
=20
teach us?=A0 That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest army=20=
and=20
the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"
XXX
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">The following from my political strategy advisor:<BR>
<BR>
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> <BR>
<BR>
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm=
teach us?=A0 That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest army=
and the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"<BR>
<BR>
XXX</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:40:13 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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Thanks Christopher.
Steve
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<BR>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Is that what you get when you mate your dog with...
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Sign me, Boxersocks <<
...the former Presidential cat? Sign me, Perot with a Saxophone
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:18:23 AM Eastern St=
andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2=
px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sign me, B=
oxersocks </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><<</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic=
Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">
<BR>...the former Presidential cat? Sign me, Perot w=
ith a Saxophone=20
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
>
John,
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate our
professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every
time, without exception.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Don't mix up your calculators w=
hen you submit your invoice!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.<BR>
<BR>
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate our=
professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every ti=
me, without exception.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:43:42 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Large Armies
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:38:37 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks ==>
Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time around.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:38:37 AM, ARWNY@AOL=
.COM writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A great quote made by some=20=
comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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<BR>Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time aroun=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:43:56 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
[log in to unmask] writes:
> No, but I can=E2=80=99t stand it when the big toe holes are both lefties!
I thought it was Steve's wife who had the peg leg. Maybe you two should get=
=20
together, and ditch Steve.
If you can get away. Har, har, har.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:05:31 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">No, but I can=E2=80=99t stand it when the big toe holes are=
both lefties!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROU=
ND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
I thought it was Steve's wife who had the peg leg. Maybe you two shoul=
d get together, and ditch Steve.<BR>
<BR>
If you can get away. Har, har, har.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Clean Socks
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I think the clean socks is a camping thing. Dry feet are necessary for
survival. Clean socks are a joy.
W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and
the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working to
avoid future need for amputation. I know that clean socks won't make a
difference, it is how I feel about clean socks that does. I see it as the
same phenomena of avoiding nativism that the British practiced in the Congo,
that is, as long as I am able to keep clean socks then there is hope against
the unknown darkness. What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness,
but it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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feet are necessary for survival. Clean socks are a joy.</BLOCKQUOTE></=
FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 F=
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W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and=
the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working=20=
to avoid future need for amputation. I know that clean socks won't make a di=
fference, it is how I feel about clean socks that does. I see it as the same=
phenomena of avoiding nativism that the British practiced in the Congo, tha=
t is, as long as I am able to keep clean socks then there is hope against th=
e unknown darkness. What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness, but=
it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:46:03 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:18:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Please let me keep my memories for a while yet
Rudy,
In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Please let me keep my memories for a while yet</BLOCKQUOTE>=
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find matching
ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the cities" to
meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and
to throw out any socks that are not black.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the eff=
ort to find matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "i=
nto the cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and=
to throw out any socks that are not black.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:51:26 EST
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Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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Scoundrel?
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:51:31 EST
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Subject: Re: Clean Socks
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:46:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What really bothers me is the prospect of blindness, but it does not mean
> that I need clean eye cups daily.
>
Ken,
Isn't "the prospect of blindness" an oxymoron?
Just checking.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What really bothers me is the p=
rospect of blindness, but it does not mean that I need clean eye cups daily.=
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Ken,<BR>
<BR>
Isn't "the prospect of blindness" an oxymoron?<BR>
<BR>
Just checking. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:53:59 EST
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Subject: Re: Sneaky Drilling
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Guess his name was neither Cheney nor Bush. Or Ewing, for that matter.
Maybe he was even a Democrat.
His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about. ][<en
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wing, for that matter. Maybe he was even a Democrat.</BLOCKQUOTE></FON=
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His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about. ][<e=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:53:51 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Ralph -
Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:42 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your invoice!
John,
We architects prefer not to submit invoices. It's so plebeian.
We know that our clients are honorable people who respect and appreciate
our professionalism, and who will pay us promptly and in full each and every
time, without exception.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>Are your clients all on the "Net 947"
plan?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=515325314-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=515325314-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 9:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response
& Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003
9:00:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">Don't mix up your calculators when you submit your
invoice!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>John,<BR><BR>We architects prefer not to submit
invoices. It's so plebeian.<BR><BR>We know that our clients are
honorable people who respect and appreciate our professionalism, and who will
pay us promptly and in full each and every time, without
exception.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:00:04 EST
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Subject: Draft Evasion
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More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...=20
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many=20
tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most=20
damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal=20
allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My Amer=
ican=20
Journey, p. 148)=20
<A HREF=3D"http://www.awolbush.com/">http://www.awolbush.com/</A>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR>
<BR>
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... mana=
ged to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many traged=
ies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damagin=
g to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance=
to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Jo=
urney</U>, p. 148) <BR>
<BR>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.awolbush.com/">http://www.awolbush.com/</A><BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:01:36 EST
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Subject: Re: Large Armies
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Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as funny the second time around.
10-4 on that bro'... nervous laughter in the background...
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Ken, I know we're both hoping the joke is as fun=
ny the second time around.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUN=
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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In a message dated 2/21/03 9:46:47 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> W/ the diabetes it is important for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and
> the daily use of clean socks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working
>
...but you would save on sock purchases. And swim fins. Yrs., 2LeftFeet
PS Also toenail clipper sharpening. Pedicures. Shoelaces. Shoe polish.
And Polish shoes.
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/03 9:46:47 AM, ARWNY@AOL=
.COM writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">W/ the diabetes it is impor=
tant for me to maintain monitoring of my feet and the daily use of clean soc=
ks is a habitual reminder for me to keep working to avoid future need for am=
putation</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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<BR>...but you would save on sock purchases. And swim fins. &nbs=
p; Yrs., 2LeftFeet
<BR>
<BR>PS Also toenail clipper sharpening. Pedicures. Shoelaces. &n=
bsp;Shoe polish. And Polish shoes.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:10:32 EST
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Thanks to Christopher this was my response to Loi C. Estrada.
Dear Loi:
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I have the ring to prove it! You
give me back that $30 million or I will tear your lying ass apart! You keep
his two-timing ashes. Hey, and while you're at it how about get a job and
stop sending this ridiculous crap over the Internet you moron. Also I will
need your banking and credit card account numbers so I can provide for
Joseph's illegitimate children. Please forward all account numbers ASAP. Do
you know what ASAP means? Forward all monies to, The Pinheads of Bullamanka
Foundation c/o Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D 1400 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC 20003.
Yrs., Now engaged to John Callan, Ralph Walter, Jim Hicks, ][<en Follett, and
Dan Becker
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Dear Loi:<BR>
<BR>
You little bitch! Joey was my husband, and I have the ring to prove it! You=20=
give me back that $30 million or I will tear your lying ass apart! You keep=20=
his two-timing ashes. Hey, and while you're at it how about get a job and st=
op sending this ridiculous crap over the Internet you moron. Also I will nee=
d your banking and credit card account numbers so I can provide for Joseph's=
illegitimate children. Please forward all account numbers ASAP. Do you know=
what ASAP means? Forward all monies to, The Pinheads of Bullamanka Foundati=
on c/o Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D 1400 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC=
20003.<BR>
<BR>
Yrs., Now engaged to John Callan, Ralph Walter, Jim Hicks, ][<en Follett,=
and Dan Becker</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:15:07 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 9:46:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.
>
Good advice.
Sign me,
Holytoe
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">In that case, don't try to keep them in your left socks.<BR=
>
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Good advice.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:16:33 -0500
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
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I'm pretty sure I heard a bit on NPR or saw something on PBS receintly =
about just that . Do Google search or go to their web sites.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin created in the =
Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the =
other day. What gives?
Turned out to be more of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish =
utopia. I THINK it was a late Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and =
the Jews proved to be more interested in being Jewish and insufficiently =
socialist for the Soviets' taste. =20
Others probably know more; I certainly hope so.
Ralph
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm pretty sure I heard a bit on NPR or =
saw=20
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their web=20
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 20, =
2003 12:38=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/20/2003 8:59:00 AM Eastern =
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Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
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<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">You got any info on the Jewish utopia that Stalin =
created in the=20
Soviet Union? A precursor to Israel. I'd never heard of it until the =
other=20
day. What gives?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
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out to be more=20
of a Socialist non-paradise than a Jewish utopia. I THINK it was =
a late=20
Lenin program, or very early Stalin, and the Jews proved to be more =
interested=20
in being Jewish and insufficiently socialist for the Soviets' =
taste. =20
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:22:58 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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I'ts not horizonal drilling but 'slant' drilling into Iraq from Kuwait.
April Glatsby, the ambisador, was reported to have said that the US didn't
have an intrest in Iraq's intentions in Kuwait. That is what was reported so
who knows what was really said. In any case I think SM was completely sand
bagged. Just the boogy man needed at the time. And now.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Marcham" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> At what point in the "last time around" was this agreement for a slice of
> Kuwait alleged to have been made? The only thing I can recollect of that
> nature was a weak response by our envoy a short time before he invaded
> Kuwait as to the US's position on his saber rattling (not that I was
paying
> a whole lot of attention but that was one thing that hit the news back
then
> as to how SH could've gotten the idea that we wouldn't come to the
Kuwaiti's
> aid).
>
> My understanding of the situation was that SH was pissed because the
> Kuwaitis were supposedly taking advantage of the new "horizontal drilling
> technology" (which may be able to drill down and then turn horizontal
though
> I have a real hard time imagining the hardware that can do that), using it
> to cross the Kuwait/Iraq border and take Iraqi oil.
>
> Mind you this is just my understanding/recollection of what took place.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
> >
>
> I also understand that the US told Saddam that he could have a piece of
> Kuwait the last time around, some of their oil reserves, only he got
greedy
> and took too much and we therefore had to go in to slap him around as a
> result.
> >
>
> ][<en
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:49:33 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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writes:
> Scoundrel?
Why thank you sir.
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:00:04 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:34:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color and
> to throw out any socks that are not black.
>
Ken,
Even this doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all manner of
mismatched shades of gray.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My solution to matching socks i=
s to only buy socks all of the same color and to throw out any socks that ar=
e not black.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Ken,<BR>
<BR>
Even <U>this</U> doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all=
manner of mismatched shades of gray.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:01:26 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sneaky Drilling
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writes:
> His name may have been Martin... but not the one Ralph dreams about.
You mean there are more of them??????
Ralph
PS-- That dream only occurred once, thank God. So far, anyway.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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. but not the one Ralph dreams about. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
You mean there are more of them??????<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
PS-- That dream only occurred once, thank God. So far, anyway. </FONT>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:02:35 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
>
Pam,
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph </FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
M=20
writes:
> More fuel for the democratic fire:
>=20
> "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...=20
> managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many=20
> tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most=
=20
> damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal=20
> allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My Am=
erican=20
> Journey, p. 148)=20
>=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn=20
place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">More fuel for the democratic fi=
re:<BR>
<BR>
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... mana=
ged to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many traged=
ies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damagin=
g to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance=
to their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Jo=
urney</U>, p. 148) <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn=
place, so we <U>can't</U> get him for President?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:07:17 EST
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Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:40:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D
You left out BFD. I'm sure her money will come pouring in right on top of
everybody's dues, and everyone will be invited to the party.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Ralf Walter AIA, BBA, FAA, Ph.D</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FO=
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You left out BFD. I'm sure her money will come pouring in right on top of ev=
erybody's dues, and everyone will be invited to the party.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:07:57 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Boxers on?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:41:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Good advice.
>
We aim to please. You aim too, please.
The Management
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Good advice.<BR>
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fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:08:43 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:41:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> In any case I think SM was completely sandbagged.
Shoulda been sandbuggered.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
Shoulda been sandbuggered.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:12:09 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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...but you would save on sock purchases.
Well... since you strike at the foot of the problem... did Sharpshooter
happen to be in Rhode Island list night playing with his box of fire
crackers? Terrible... terrible...
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:15:09 EST
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies I've
been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black market and
I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he? ][<en
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JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies I've=20=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:16:14 EST
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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The damn black socks fade to all manner of mismatched shades of gray.
You should stop getting your socks at the Summit Mall.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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shades of gray.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:22:52 -0500
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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Are you saying he was a Chickenhawk?
http://www.awolbush.com/ <http://www.awolbush.com/>
Lots of entertaining reading.
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>
Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:23:46 -0500
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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lol
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:48 AM
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It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell.
Jim,
As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing =
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subtracting calculator when reviewing contractors' Applications for=20
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:31:45 -0500
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EEEEW that'l hurt.
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In any case I think SM was completely sandbagged.
Shoulda been sandbuggered.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>EEEEW that'l hurt.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:02:41 EST
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Subject: Re: ATTEND-Christopher's help is needed.
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:08:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You left out BFD
Darn I left out BSE also.
Steve
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<BR>
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Darn I left out BSE also.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:42:59 -0500
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It's been a while since I read My American Journey - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my drift. I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good read - lots of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read again.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=919454117-21022003>It's been a while since I read <U>My American
Journey</U> - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my drift.
I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good read - lots
of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read again.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft
Evasion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry that so
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots
in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this
raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that
all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."
(Colin Powell’s autobiography, <U>My American Journey</U>, p. 148)
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born
in Jamaica or some damn place, so we <U>can't</U> get him for
President?<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:43:57 -0500
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Ralph -
Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in days). I was just
wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or take a few days,
plan.
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Are your clients all on the "Net 947" plan?
Pam,
All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947 Plan" is.
Ralph
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class=508084317-21022003>Ralph -</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003>Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in
days). I was just wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or
take a few days, plan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=508084317-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response
& Constitution<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003
10:35:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SCRIPT">Are your clients all on
the "Net 947" plan?</FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>All right: I'll ask what the "Net 947
Plan" is.<BR><BR>Ralph </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:46:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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Ralph -
You and ][<en's son have something in common. Except, it's his white socks
that "fade" to all manner of mismatched shades of grey.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:00 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:34:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color
and to throw out any socks that are not black.
Ken,
Even this doesn't work for me. The damn black socks fade to all manner of
mismatched shades of gray.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=876164417-21022003>You and ][<en's son have something in common.
Except, it's his white socks that "fade" to all manner of mismatched shades
of grey.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=876164417-21022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=876164417-21022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: BP
On?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:34:28 AM Eastern
Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the
same color and to throw out any socks that are not
black.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT
color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Ken,<BR><BR>Even <U>this</U> doesn't work for me. The
damn black socks fade to all manner of mismatched shades of
gray.<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:11:45 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: It's despicable when people make light of the disabilities of
others....
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:13:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> did Sharpshooter happen to be in Rhode Island list night playing with his
> box of fire crackers?
What I seriously wonder is whether the building (located in West Warwick, the
home of Dryvit) was built with EIFS.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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n Rhode Island list night playing with his box of fire crackers?</BLOCKQUOTE=
></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
What I seriously wonder is whether the building (located in West Warwick, th=
e home of Dryvit) was built with EIFS. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:16:20 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 11:20:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> You should stop getting your socks at the Summit Mall.
>
I don't believe I've ever shopped there for clothing. Or food, either.
Electronics, hardware, and home furnishings, absolutely. Even I have some
standards, and have (mostly) outgrown the War Surplus mode. I'm talking
about brand new, not-previously-owned socks from Shoprite and some even
bought from stores whose major business is selling clothes.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You should stop getting your so=
cks at the Summit Mall.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I don't believe I've ever shopped there for clothing. Or food, either. Elect=
ronics, hardware, and home furnishings, absolutely. Even <U>I</U> have=
some standards, and have (mostly) outgrown the War Surplus mode. I'm=20=
talking about brand new, not-previously-owned socks from Shoprite and some e=
ven bought from stores whose major business is selling clothes.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:36:15 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP Un?
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Thanks for the offer, but one's enough.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] =
writes:
>
> the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher. =A0They have no sense =
of=20
> spacial relationships. =A0=A0I always have to go and reorganize...
>
>
>
> John, I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? =A0=A0Yrs.,=20=
> Rinse Cycle=
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Thanks for the offer, but one's enough.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Met History wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>In a
message dated 2/21/03 8:24:43 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>the placement of the dishes in the dishwasher.
=A0They have no sense of spacial relationships. =A0=A0I always have to =
go
and reorganize...
<fontfamily><param>Times New =
Roman</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>John,
I have fallen in love with you - will you marry me? =A0=A0Yrs., Rinse =
Cycle</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>=
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:50:56 -0600
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Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who=20
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only=20
imagine.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> More fuel for the democratic fire:
>
> "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and=20
> well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard=20=
> units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class=20
> discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all=20=
> Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their=20
> country." (Colin Powell=92s autobiography, My American Journey, p. =
148)
>
> http://www.awolbush.com/
>
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I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only
imagine.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>More fuel for the
democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their
country." (Colin Powell=92s autobiography, <underline>My American
Journey</underline>, p. 148)
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>http://www.awolbush.com/
</color></underline></smaller></fontfamily>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:22:23 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:45:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in days). I was just
> wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or take a few days,
> plan.
>
Pam,
Actually my personal clients are pretty good about paying, with the
(temporary) exception of a friend of my wife's who seemed to think there was
some reason why she didn't need to pay a bill. One of my good friends (and
clients) was so pissed off by this that he offered to pay me and sue her for
what she owed. I've forgotten the details, but sure as hell remember the
attempted stiffing.
Unfortunately, Ken and my boss have had some joint clients who think that
making full payment is unnecessary. I somehow find that much more irritating
than when this woman tried to stiff me.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 12:45:03 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Well, most receivables are Net 30 or Net 45 (as in day=
s). I was just wondering if your clients were on the 3 years, give or=20=
take a few days, plan.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Actually my personal clients are pretty good about paying, with the (tempora=
ry) exception of a friend of my wife's who seemed to think there was some re=
ason why she didn't need to pay a bill. One of my good friends (and clients)=
was so pissed off by this that he offered to pay me and sue her for what sh=
e owed. I've forgotten the details, but sure as hell remember the attempted=20=
stiffing. <BR>
<BR>
Unfortunately, Ken and my boss have had some joint clients who think that ma=
king full payment is unnecessary. I somehow find that much more irrita=
ting than when this woman tried to stiff me.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:26:36 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 1:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I like that man more and more everyday! I share his anger. Look who
> he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only
> imagine.
>
John,
I have often wondered how Powell could stand to work for such a moron, and
your point about the self discipline it must take to do so makes it even MORE
impressive.
Thanks!
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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veryday! I share his anger. Look who <BR>
he's working for! He must have self discipline that most can only <BR>
imagine.<BR>
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John,<BR>
<BR>
I have often wondered how Powell could stand to work for such a moron, and y=
our point about the self discipline it must take to do so makes it even MORE=
impressive.<BR>
Thanks!<BR>
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Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:21:27 -0500
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Subject: Re: Large Armies
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I read a good one in the paper this morning...
What do you call a crowd standing around with their hands up in the air?
scroll down
the French army.
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ken Follett
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Large Armies
The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks ==>
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert
storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE largest
army and the FIFTH largest army" =D"
XXX
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 9:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Large
Armies<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">The following from my political strategy
advisor:<BR><BR>"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks
==> <BR><BR>"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did
desert storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE
largest army and the FIFTH largest army" =D"<BR><BR>XXX</FONT>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:23:50 -0500
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:30:45 -0800
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"Black socks, the longer you wear them the stronger they get." From an old
camp song, maybe the little Ralphs know it as I understand the big Ralphs
give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I don't
have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there
aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. Ruth
At 9:47 AM -0500 2/21/03, Ken Follett wrote:
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find matching
ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the cities" to
meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
My solution to matching socks is to only buy socks all of the same color
and to throw out any socks that are not black.
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 21:49:33 EST
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Subject: Re: Black socks
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In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:19:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "Black socks, the longer you wear them the stronger they get." Mine only
> seem to develop larger holes and greater discoloration, but I like the idea
> that they get stronger. From an old camp song, maybe the little Ralphs Only
> half went to VT, and it looks like none will go there this summer; your
> weather was too scary for Mollie The Bitch. know it as I understand the big
> Ralphs
> give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I don't
> have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there
> aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. There are lots of PLACES for you
> to go to in New York , and I bet you could stay a hell of a lot cheaper
> down here than the Little Ralphs did up in VT. Couldn't she, guys (and
> guyettes)? Ruth Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/21/2003 7:19:21 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Black socks, the longer you we=
ar them the stronger they get." <B>Mine only seem to develop larger holes an=
d greater discoloration, but I like the <U>idea</U> that they get stronger.<=
/B> From an old camp song, maybe the little Ralphs <B>Only half went to VT,=20=
and it looks like none will go there this summer; your weather was too scary=
for Mollie The Bitch. </B>know it as I understand the big Ralphs<BR>
give them a vacation at a camp in beautiful Vermont in the summer. I d=
on't<BR>
have to go to camp as I am in beautiful Vermont all the time and there<BR>
aren't any camps in NYC for me to go to. <B>There are lots of PLACES for you=
to go to in New York , and I bet you could stay a hell of a lot cheaper dow=
n here than the Little Ralphs did up in VT. Couldn't she, guys (and gu=
yettes)?</B> Ruth <B>Ralph</B><BR>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:03:16 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well organized, nice
display and nav.
at http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm
Christopher Gray
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 194=
0's. Well organized, nice display and nav.<BR>
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at h=
ttp://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm<BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Christopher Gray<BR>
Office for Metropolitan History<BR>
246 West 80th Street, #8, NYC 10024<BR>
212-799-0520 fax -0542<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 05:07:54 EST
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Subject: Recent applications to the Landmarks Commission....
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....Department of Condition Orange
895 Park Avenue [1920's art deco apartment house with its own squash court]:
Install emergency generator, $30,000
The Pierre, 2 East 61st Street: New terrace planters, ballistic shields
(clear), awning and wood decking. The ballistic shields are completely
hidden on all sides within evergreen plantings, $150,000; Shareholder:
Mr/Mrs. John Levin
Respectfully submitted, Vigilance
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">....Department of Condition Orange<BR>
<BR>
895 Park Avenue [1920's art deco apartment house with its own squash c=
ourt]: Install emergency generator, $30,000<BR>
<BR>
The Pierre, 2 East 61st Street: New terrace planters, ballistic shield=
s (clear), awning and wood decking. The ballistic shields are complete=
ly hidden on all sides within evergreen plantings, $150,000; Sharehold=
er: Mr/Mrs. John Levin<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 05:22:19 EST
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Subject: Shuttle break up...
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Has any subscriber seen an engineering account of the likely scenario for the
actual shuttle break up? Was what observer's saw as a bright glowing trail,
was that typical for reentry, or was that the shuttle burning up? Did the
shuttle start tumbling (after it lost aerodynamic stability) and then broke
apart right away under the stress, or did it remain fundamentally intact and
"burn up"? If the first, why was there such a remarkable coherences seen in
the glowing trail as photographed? If the second, why aren't the materials
recovered more charred, even melted? Is the pattern of debris consistent
with an instant, or gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 miles? Are
there radar plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" debris,
and what does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be silent.
----Christopher
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Sharpshooter: Thankx... I'm always looking for topo maps and this is a good collection. The nice thing about topos is that the hard rock geology rarely changes. ][<en
Topo Dreams
Old fingers wrinkled soft
slide over creases, faded folds
in morning south light of breakfast nook.
Where feet and bones no longer travel
weary, eye searches circuitry of roads.
Stumbles over gray-haired swampland
blue image of river, stream,
small lakes where a love was resealed.
Avenues, interstate route numbers
southward, ageless,
an attraction to the place,
its reflection in name.
Of what was and where it moved over
to blending of triangles of field, forest --
where we are is a distant place
yearning will never satisfy to find.
Eroded, disfigured, revamped, renamed
the earth has erased your isolate trail.
Now there are only phantom landmarks
passed down in fading glimpse.
Your grandchildren will never know
magenta light of morning beneath that pine,
scorching of that sun lost forever
in peach blossom of a wild rose.
xxx
The poem is an amalgam of several factors both personal and objective. It was composed at the emotional peak of a series of commuter flights over southwest Indiana at about 3000 feet. At the time the author was reading an historical pamphlet about George Rogers Clark, whose monument in Vincennes the author was working on. It seems that an activity of the scouts in southwest Indiana is to periodically go out and search the winter march of Mr. Clark and his brave men. The only real difficulty is that referenced landmarks to the expedition have either vanished or bodily moved. There is no consensus as to the actual historic route to the expedition as it lies on the present earth.
This local endeavor to trace the bodily motions of ancestors is echoed in the search for the Ulysses of Homer. Thus the poem renders some semblance of neoclassic propriety in subject.
It is also echoed in the personal search to understand, empathize and relive the route of a favored ancestor. In this case the surface of the poem is directly about the authors maternal grandfather. Early in his life the grandfather emigrated to Central New York State from Iowa. Previously the family had arrived as Dutch Huguenots some time prior to the revolution and then migrated northward on the Hudson, many of them buried along the way, eventually landing in Iowa as sheep farmers. Grandfather Rose was obsessed with map collecting through his whole life. A never attained goal of his was to visit all of the United States.
On another level the simple poem is a detailed reworking of a decidedly childish patchwork quilt motif. A comment upon sign, symbol and the frailty of human generation forcibly squashed in between.
The reader may wonder how all of this weight came to reside upon such a short and simple set of lines. It is an opinion of the author that the garbage polemic of reality can well exist outside of the poetic expression. The poem as objective artifact resides in itself such as a fossil of bone or shard of Native American pottery. In this the poem represents a fragment of the imaginary landscape of our dreams. Though this fragment laden attitude may be detrimental to the full appreciation of the poetic artifact, it represents the best quality of contemporary poetry. The common cultural landmarks of poetry have either moved or vanished. Where common understanding would once have resided as a natural outcome of speech, we have this individual need to paraphrase the real in a journalistic prose.
First published in The American Geographical Society’s FOCUS.
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The adventures of my friends Eve & Festus. This is the last news that I have of them. Early Heaven’s Gate.
The Ithaca Journal, October 30, 1975, By Gail Dickinson
Two former Ithacans have joined a group of people from Oregon who say they are preparing to be taken to another level beyond humans by a spaceship.
The whereabouts of the two is not known, but recent letters to their families indicate they are committed to the group and its philosophy.
On Sept. 18, Michael Fiester, 24, and Eve Ujhelyi, 21. who left Ithaca in late 1973 for Oregon, joined the followers of a couple who claim to be "sent from another level above that of human."
Families of the two have received letters from both which tell of their belief in the couple and in their claims that persons who follow them. will be "reborn."
The disappearance of about 20 Oregon residents also with an undetermined number of Californians has been in the national news in recent weeks. There have been reports of people giving away children and property before leaving to join the group.
Dan Staggs, 43, a person with whom the two Ithacans were living in Springfield, Ore., also has joined the group. Staggs gave away his house before leaving, according to Chris Carlson, who now lives in the home.
Fiester's mother, Mrs. John Fiester of Trumansburg Road, Ithaca, said she has written to President Ford and will write Rep. Matthew McHugh (D Ithaca) requesting help in locating her son.
She, said she and. her husband were in Florida when her son left Oregon with the group. When they returned here last week, there were two letters from their son, one written around Sept. 18 before he left and mailed later by a friend, and another, postmarked Enid, Okla., and dated Oct. 12. Both letters were shown to The Journal by Mrs. Fiester.
In the first letter, Michael, known by friends to Ithaca as "Festus," said he was going on a "quest for the truth and my real self." He said he felt "directed to do it" and that it was his own will.
In the second letter, he explained that "in essence we are all endeavoring to be re united with our father creator." He said he was undergoing "the preparations necessary for any human to undergo in order to attain that next level."
In both of the letter. Fiester stressed he is doing this of his own free will and denied that "hypnosis, death, murder. fraud, etc.,". is involved.'
Eve Ujhelyi's father, who lives in Oregon, said in a telephone interview he has not heard from his daughter. Her sister, Gabriel, who lives in Atlanta, told The Journal she has received two communications. One, mailed from Oregon, was written before the pair left with the group, and the second, dated Oct. 7, was mailed from Yorkville, Ill.
In both letters, Ms. Ujhelyi asked her sister not to worry. In one, she said that she had "gone to see the Wizard and catch a spaceship."
It is not known if Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester are still together. They told Ms. Carlson before they left that they expected to be separated, and in one of the letters to her sister, Ms. Ujhelyi said that "Festus is 'gone,' too."
Staggs is apparently no longer with the group, Ms. Carlson said. A recent letter, without postmark or date, has been received from him saying that he had "disassociated" himself from any group.
Ms. Carlson said that the three were very optimistic before they left. She stressed that they were "very capable people ... who knew what they were doing." She said she now regrets not having gone to the Oregon meetings to join the group.
"They have been pretty much exposed to the world," she said. "They knew what was real and what wasn't." She said she is not worried about the trio because "these people know when to bail out "
She said she would like to give the pair, "a lot of positive encouragement."
Fiester, Ms. Ujhelyi and Staggs attended three meetings over a two week period before they left on Sept. 18, Ms. Carlson said. She felt that in leaving, and limiting communication, the three were "demanding privacy to do what they want to do with their lives."
Before they left, Ms. Carlson said, they were upset at the criticism by their friends, who thought the whole thing was a hoax. The three people were "totally committed," she said, "and were hoping that their friends would understand."
Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as "intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken in" easily.
Ms. Ujhelyi's family was not religious, according to her sister Gabriel. Fiester, according to his mother, was raised to be religious, although he had not practiced any religion for several years. Mrs. Fiester said her son may be "trying to find something." She also said that she believed her son might be "brainwashed."
Besides the letters to Ford and McHugh, Mr. Fiester has gone to see District Attorney Joseph Joch, but Joch was unavailable this morning for comment.
Literature from the group, called by some the "Human Individual Metamorphosis" society, claims the group is not a religious, spiritual or philosophical organization. It claims it is "reality."
Fiester said in one letter that news accounts of the group are "faulty."
The two leaders of the group will be assassinated soon, the literature says, and will return after three days, when their followers will leave in a "space ship."
The two leaders, identified by police as Marshall Herff Applewhite, 43, and Bonnie Lee Trousdale Nettles, 48, both have criminal records. Applewhite spent four months in jail in St. Louis for car theft, and Miss Nettles was charged in Houston on credit card abuse. No record of the disposition of her case exists.
The whereabouts of the almost 90 disciples supposed to be with the couple is not known.
Two lecturers are scheduled to hold a meeting tonight in Oakland , Calif., according to the Portland Oregonian newspaper. The meeting place, the Upstairs Art Association, said it knew nothing about the meeting, according to the Oregonian. The association said a Halloween benefit is planned there tonight.
http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news970331.html
http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/03317eva.htm
XXX
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You have to pay Ralph your dues if you want to receive the secret
decoder ring.
(don't forget the finders fee Ralph. I'll be at the mail box.)
-jc
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> In a message dated 2/21/2003 6:25:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What the heck is this, a secret Pinhead communication?
>
> Steve
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You have to pay Ralph your dues if you want to receive the secret
decoder ring.
(don't forget the finders fee Ralph. I'll be at the mail box.)
-jc
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2/21/2003 6:25:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<color><param>FFFF,0000,0000</param>What the heck is this, a secret
Pinhead communication?
Steve
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:55:03 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: I'm in the gutter
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Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is involved
with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members
of the church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man
what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously
look at installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of
the mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to
their lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water stains and
deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you think would be
compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve
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<BR>
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is involved wi=
th a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members of=
the church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man w=
hat a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously lo=
ok at installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of=20=
the mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing t=
o their lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the=20=
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water stains an=
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patible guttering? Will copper or wood work?<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:22:12 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia in;
what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the
water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below
grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing
extend below grade?
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 06:55 AM, [log in to unmask]
wrote:
> Dear fellow Pinheads:
>
> This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
> involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They
> have had members of the church over the years repoint the lower
> sections of the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have
> recommended that they need to seriously look at installing gutters
> along the building to stop future deterioration of the mortar and also
> to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to their lower
> interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
> congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water
> stains and deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you
> think would be compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
>
> Steve
>
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What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia
in; what is the grading like around the building; where will you place
the water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage
below grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or
repointing extend below grade?
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 06:55 AM, [log in to unmask]
wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Comic Sans MS</param>Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They
have had members of the church over the years repoint the lower
sections of the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have
recommended that they need to seriously look at installing gutters
along the building to stop future deterioration of the mortar and also
to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing to their lower
interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water
stains and deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you
think would be compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve</fontfamily>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:14:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> What the heck is this, a secret Pinhead communication?
>
> Steve
>
>
You haven't been paying attention to Sec'y Ridge. Osama's orders are in
there, plain as day. Or maybe Jefferson Davis'.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
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<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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You haven't been paying attention to Sec'y Ridge. Osama's orders are i=
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<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:36:05 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Leland Torrence <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CT historical maps
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Hello Christopher,
Thanks for the topo site. I attach a cool site for CT. Check the
historical maps collection. Great resolution.
Best,
Leland
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History
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well organized,
nice display and nav.
at http://docs.unh.edu/nhtopos/nhtopos.htm
Christopher Gray
Office for Metropolitan History
246 West 80th Street, #8, NYC 10024
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<DIV><SPAN class=846523313-22022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hello
Christopher,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=846523313-22022003><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for the
topo site. I attach a cool site for CT. Check the historical maps
collection. Great resolution.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> UNH Library -
posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
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FAMILY="SERIF">...usually one from the 1890's, one from the 1940's. Well
organized, nice display and
nav.<BR><BR>at
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Christopher Gray<BR>Office for Metropolitan History<BR>246
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The DEC Alpha 4000 that has served as the MAGIC server for the past six years died Thursday, Sept. 12th.
The motherboard was having problems providing power. The CPU fan stopped and we pronounced AlphaMAGIC dead.
John Gwinnell, the MAGIC systems administrator, worked over the weekend and has ported all the data
(over 100 Gigabytes on a 10 Megabit wire) over to another, albeit older, working system.
So, while things are getting back to normal, it will take some time to assure that ALL is working again.
Remember, MAGIC is a library, and things happen to libraries, like floods, earthquakes, leaky roofs and silverfish infestations.<BR>
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Now the real work of getting another server for MAGIC is at hand. These are tight fiscal times, as you all know.
Fortunately "Friends of MAGIC" have come forward. But if you too would like to be a Friend of MAGIC and donate toward
a new, robust, shiny, speedy server, please let me, <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Patrick McGlamery</A> know.<BR>
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Also, please feel free to send me any broken links, etc. We might know of them or not. And please, be patient...
it's really just John fixing it all... in addition to managing the University's library system.
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters won't do anything for
rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it will take months (if not
years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.
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What is the roof material Asphalt shingles. It would be nice to try and
figure out what was there originally.
what condition are the soffits and facia in Some need replacing.
what is the grading like around the building The front and right side
seems to be fairly level, there is a building (social hall) on the right
side. The left side slopes away and the rear gradually slopes away fairly
steeply (wooded area to the rear).
where will you place the water instead of against the foundation I don't
know. What should they consider?
is the plaster damage below grade No, above grade.
is there adequate ventilation Did not check
does the pointing or repointing extend below grade No.
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#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> Asphalt shingles. It would be=20=
nice to try and figure out what was there originally.<BR>
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what condition are the soffits and facia in </FONT><FONT =20=
COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCR=
IPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Some need replacing.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">what is the grading like aro=
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ns MS" LANG=3D"0">The front and right side seems to be fairly level, there i=
s a building (social hall) on the right side. The left side slopes away and=20=
the rear gradually slopes away fairly steeply (wooded area to the rear).<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">where will you place the wat=
er instead of against the foundation </FONT><FONT C=
OLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRI=
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is the plaster damage below grade &=
nbsp; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SI=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">is there adequate ventilatio=
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Subject: Re: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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In a message dated 2/22/03 7:05:27 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . It is an opinion of the author that the garbage polemic of reality can
> well exist outside of the poetic expression.
Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that writes like this
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xpression. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Subject: Re: BP On?
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Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
jh
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Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks=20
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the=20
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started =
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.=20
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find=20
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the=20
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave =
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,=20
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Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear =
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern =
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Time, <A =
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TYPE=3D"CITE">I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about =
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concern=20
about the <BR>black socks matching, but that problem was simplified =
when I=20
started <BR>working from home. Most days I just grab a clean =
pair of=20
from the top. <BR>I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the =
effort=20
to find <BR>matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have =
to go=20
"into the <BR>cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to =
impress.<BR><BR>But=20
finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still =
shave=20
<BR>dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and =
catz!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>John,=20
<BR><BR>I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't =
shaved in=20
30 years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, =
it=20
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean =
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The triple X remindes me that yesterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's =
assassination.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gabriel Orgrease=20
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Subject: Permitting Saddam
"But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border =
disagreement with Kuwait." US Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein =
prior to the aggression of Iraq against Kuwait, as quoted from a =
transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York Times. It is reported that =
later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it had never been =
considered that Saddam would take all of Kuwait. A journalist questioned =
then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration did expect =
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no =
interest in the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this =
is true I have no idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not =
being quite up to the task and her misunderstanding the depth of the =
intentions behind Saddam's words. Regardless, the incident is often =
cited as the US having given Saddam permission to invade and annex =
Kuwait.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The triple X remindes me that yesterday =
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anniversary of Malcolm's assassination.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Gabriel=20
Orgrease</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
12:05=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Permitting =
Saddam</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman, Times, serif" =
color=3D#330033>"But=20
we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border =
disagreement=20
with Kuwait." </FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman, Times, serif">US =
Ambassador=20
April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein</FONT> prior to the aggression of Iraq =
against=20
Kuwait, as quoted from a transcript supplied by Iraq to the New York =
Times. It=20
is reported that later Glaspie told a reporter to the effect that it =
had never=20
been considered that Saddam would take <U>all </U>of Kuwait. A =
journalist=20
questioned then as to what amount of Kuwait the Bush administration =
did expect=20
Saddam to take as a result of the implication that America took no =
interest in=20
the Iraq-Kuwait border conflict. No answer. If any of this is true I =
have no=20
idea. It may have been more a case of Glaspie not being quite up to =
the task=20
and her misunderstanding the depth of the intentions behind Saddam's =
words.=20
Regardless, the incident is often cited as the US having given Saddam=20
permission to invade and annex=20
Kuwait.<BR><BR>XXX<BR>][<en<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's =
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and =
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be charged. =
Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my right to =
due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The =
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is going =
on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John, the problem with "evidence" is, =
who's=20
collecting it. The one's doing the irregularities are the authorities =
charged=20
with investigation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
8:37=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities =
should=20
be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the =
perpetrators=20
should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to =
protect=20
my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? That's a great idea. If =
you are=20
from Texas, Florida, California or New York. No problem for you, =
you'll have=20
all them politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook =
and crany=20
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the =
cost=20
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness.=20
Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in the =
cities would=20
like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 acre plots =
would be=20
competitive again! You've got the house of representatives...enough is =
enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where =
it=20
happens. The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to =
know what=20
is going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause=20
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 =
AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It would help if you =
were=20
able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State was =
carried=20
by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost =
in Fla=20
where blacks were purged from the voting reg six months before the =
election=20
and on election day in many black counties there were road blocks =
leading to=20
the polls (plus all of the other voting eregularities which the =
supreams=20
said that just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case =
the=20
"Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the =
grand ole=20
sout.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>Ralph =
Walter<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response=20
& Constitution<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>In a =
message=20
dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U>=20
writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a =
reg Dummy=20
much to my shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>What =
you=20
SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
=
Dubya.<BR><BR>Ralph<?/color><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:11:44 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps =
from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and =
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be charged. =
Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my right to =
due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The =
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is going =
on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Popular vote etc. I think that is why =
there is a=20
senate with two reps from each state no matter how large or small the=20
population.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think the main problem is are we =
living in a=20
democracy or a capitolacracy?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in =
this country=20
and the more capitol the more democracy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] =
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Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
8:37=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities =
should=20
be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the =
perpetrators=20
should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to =
protect=20
my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? That's a great idea. If =
you are=20
from Texas, Florida, California or New York. No problem for you, =
you'll have=20
all them politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook =
and crany=20
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the =
cost=20
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness.=20
Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in the =
cities would=20
like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 acre plots =
would be=20
competitive again! You've got the house of representatives...enough is =
enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where =
it=20
happens. The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to =
know what=20
is going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause=20
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 =
AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>It would help if you =
were=20
able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY and the State was =
carried=20
by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost =
in Fla=20
where blacks were purged from the voting reg six months before the =
election=20
and on election day in many black counties there were road blocks =
leading to=20
the polls (plus all of the other voting eregularities which the =
supreams=20
said that just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case =
the=20
"Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the =
grand ole=20
sout.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>Ralph =
Walter<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response=20
& Constitution<BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>In a =
message=20
dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U>=20
writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a =
reg Dummy=20
much to my shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR><?color><?param 0000,0000,0000>What =
you=20
SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:13:48 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:40:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters won't do anything for
> rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it will take months (if
> not years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.
>
I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away from
the building as possible. They currently have only one section of gutter on
the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basically
the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I
associated this with roof water run off. It is possible that the plaster
deterioration maybe from window sill leaks. They are currently looking for
folks to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of
me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. Heck I can't even afford
them the distinction of craftsmen. I don't know what to call them. The walls
are 21" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask. I did not see any
evidence of moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. We
are expecting some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I will take a look
to see if I can find some evidence of what is going on. I think the building
at one time was lime washed and I think was painted later. The congregation
had someone remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer
which in turn destroyed the fire skin on the soft brick. There should be a
death penalty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure
like this. I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. In this
case it would skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:40:11 AM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Copper is good, and more durable. But copper gutters=20=
won't do anything for rising damp, and if the walls are seriously wet, it wi=
ll take months (if not years) for them to dry out enough to take paint.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away fro=
m the building as possible. They currently have only one section of gutter o=
n the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basicall=
y the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I a=
ssociated this with roof water run off. It is possible that the plaster dete=
rioration maybe from window sill leaks. They are currently looking for folks=
to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of me co=
nsidering the idiot craftsmen in this city. Heck I can't even afford them th=
e distinction of craftsmen. I don't know what to call them. The walls are 21=
" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask. I did not see any evidence of=
moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. We are expecti=
ng some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I will take a look to see if=20=
I can find some evidence of what is going on. I think the building at one ti=
me was lime washed and I think was painted later. The congregation had someo=
ne remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer which in t=
urn destroyed the fire skin on the soft brick. There should be a death penal=
ty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure like this.=
I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. In this case it w=
ould skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:17:19 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Go back further in the hist. of SH. Who gave him the green light to go =
to war with Iran? Does there need to be a "green light" for there to be =
a gereral understanding that the largest (capitol, military) country in =
the world stands behind a series of activities with money, weapons, =
intel etc. for this general understanding to take root. In the world of =
the enemy of my enemy is my friend some things are taken for granted.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein a green light to take =
anything. =20
The point is that it probably did not give a green light, then again =
it did not give a red light, and the relevance is the interpretation =
that such wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to be exploited. In =
the same conversation Saddam expressed that the US was too weak to =
stomach 10,000 body bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they knew =
full well that the US would not be happy. Is it good for the US to have =
a global reputation as a blow-hard and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I =
want is kids that I know in the military today not coming home. Seems to =
me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
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light"=20
for there to be a gereral understanding that the largest (capitol, =
military)=20
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weapons,=20
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
9:23=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Permitting =
Saddam</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I don't see where this gave the nice Mr. Hussein =
a green=20
light to take anything. =20
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>The point is that it probably did not give a =
green=20
light, then again it did not give a red light, and the relevance is =
the=20
interpretation that such wobbly and inept diplomacy is a weakness to =
be=20
exploited. In the same conversation Saddam expressed that the US was =
too weak=20
to stomach 10,000 body bags. An Iraq official later admitted that they =
knew=20
full well that the US would not be happy. Is it good for the US to =
have a=20
global reputation as a blow-hard and diplomatic woosie? Last thing I =
want is=20
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read=20
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Bill Hicks................Jim =
Hicks????????????????????????????????????????
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Large Armies
The following from my political strategy advisor:
"A great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D>=20
"So Iraq had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert =
storm teach us? That there is a HUGE f***ing drop-off between THE =
largest army and the FIFTH largest army" =3DD"
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
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AM</DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">The following from my political strategy =
advisor:<BR><BR>"A=20
great quote made by some comedian, I think bill hicks =3D=3D> =
<BR><BR>"So Iraq=20
had the fifth largest army in the world... So what did desert storm =
teach=20
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:22:00 -0500
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No I think Powell was born here; the black entertainer (collipso singer, =
I can't remember his name) that called him a house n......r in a receint =
interview is from there.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and =
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard =
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination =
strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are =
created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin =
Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some =
damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No I think Powell was born here; the =
black=20
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called=20
him a house n......r in a receint interview is from there.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph =
Walter</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
11:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft =
Evasion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> =
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry =
that so=20
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to =
wangle slots=20
in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies of =
Vietnam, this=20
raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the =
ideal that=20
all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their =
country."=20
(Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My American Journey</U>, =
p. 148)=20
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't =
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I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies =
I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black =
market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I did'nt get that one, you'll have to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
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AM</DIV>
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In any case I think SM was completely sand =
bagged.
<BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>JH: So are you telling me it is not =
little SM=20
in the child p*rn movies I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of =
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If you do a google search for chickenhawk there is list of all the current
and past politicos and their chickenhawk statis.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Marcham" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
> Are you saying he was a Chickenhawk?
>
> http://www.awolbush.com/ <http://www.awolbush.com/>
>
> Lots of entertaining reading.
>
>
> From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>
> >
> Seems to me I read recently that Teddy Roosevelt was a woosie blow-hard.
>
> ][<en
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
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> . I attach a cool site for CT.
Wow, thanks. Way cool. Deck. Glossy. Christopher
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I think one of the juiciest parts, which I would hope was in this book, =
is the part where he testifies to the senate subcommity on Iran contra =
to the effect that he didn't know if Cap Weinberger kept a diary, but in =
a later interview let it slip that he did know.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Pam Stevenson=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
It's been a while since I read My American Journey - I think he is a =
"native" American, if y'all get my drift. I'll have to look it up to =
double check, though. It's a good read - lots of juicy lines that beg =
to be highlighted and read again.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph =
Walter
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
In a message dated 2/21/2003 10:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
More fuel for the democratic fire:
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and =
well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard =
units...Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination =
strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are =
created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin =
Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148)=20
I just knew I liked Powell. But wasn't he born in Jamaica or some =
damn place, so we can't get him for President?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think one of the juiciest parts, =
which I would=20
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know.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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Stevenson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 =
12:42=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Draft =
Evasion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D919454117-21022003>It's been a while since I read <U>My =
American=20
Journey</U> - I think he is a "native" American, if y'all get my =
drift. =20
I'll have to look it up to double check, though. It's a good =
read - lots=20
of juicy lines that beg to be highlighted and read =
again.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not =
speak foul in=20
folly!" - ][<en Phollit=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Ralph=20
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:04 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Draft=20
Evasion<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated =
2/21/2003 10:37:29=20
AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">More fuel for the democratic fire:<BR><BR>"I am angry =
that so=20
many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to =
wangle=20
slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many tragedies =
of=20
Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most =
damaging to=20
the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal =
allegiance to=20
their country." (Colin Powell=E2=80=99s autobiography, <U>My =
American Journey</U>,=20
p. 148) <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I just knew I liked Powell. =
But=20
wasn't he born in Jamaica or some damn place, so we <U>can't</U> get =
him for=20
President?<BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> =
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> Bill Hicks................Jim Hicks????????????????????????????????????????
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I don't know any of that but attached is a photo of the shuttle as it =
passed over western AZ a minute before breakup, that my brother sent me. =
I also have the v-mail of him saying 'there is is, it's gone now' or =
some such. The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Met History=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:22 AM
Subject: Shuttle break up...
Has any subscriber seen an engineering account of the likely scenario =
for the actual shuttle break up? Was what observer's saw as a bright =
glowing trail, was that typical for reentry, or was that the shuttle =
burning up? Did the shuttle start tumbling (after it lost aerodynamic =
stability) and then broke apart right away under the stress, or did it =
remain fundamentally intact and "burn up"? If the first, why was there =
such a remarkable coherences seen in the glowing trail as photographed? =
If the second, why aren't the materials recovered more charred, even =
melted? Is the pattern of debris consistent with an instant, or =
gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 miles? Are there radar =
plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" debris, and what =
does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be silent. ----Christopher
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't know any of that but attached =
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my=20
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<A [log in to unmask] href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Met =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 22, =
2003 5:22=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Shuttle break =
up...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Has any subscriber seen an engineering =
account of the=20
likely scenario for the actual shuttle break up? Was what=20
observer's saw as a bright glowing trail, was that typical for =
reentry, or was=20
that the shuttle burning up? Did the shuttle start tumbling =
(after it=20
lost aerodynamic stability) and then broke apart right away under the =
stress,=20
or did it remain fundamentally intact and "burn up"? If =
the first,=20
why was there such a remarkable coherences seen in the glowing trail =
as=20
photographed? If the second, why aren't the materials recovered =
more=20
charred, even melted? Is the pattern of debris =
consistent=20
with an instant, or gradual breakup, given that it fell from 40 =
miles? =20
Are there radar plottings that document the deceleration of the "main" =
debris,=20
and what does that tell us? Aviation Week seems to be=20
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:02:36 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shuttle break up...
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In a message dated 2/22/03 9:54:47 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I don't know any of that but attached is a photo of the shuttle as it passed
> over western AZ a minute before breakup, that my brother sent me. I also
> have the v-mail of him saying 'there is is, it's gone now' or some such.
> The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
Jim, thanks but, uh, I don't think this photo is going to be dispositive.
Best, Pairy Mason
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I don't know any of that but at=
tached is a photo of the shuttle as it passed over western AZ a minute befor=
e breakup, that my brother sent me. I also have the v-mail of him saying 'th=
ere is is, it's gone now' or some such. The shuttle is that little white dot=
on the left.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Jim, thanks but, uh, I don't think this photo is going to be dispositive.&nb=
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This was listed on a genealogy list I sub to. It might be interesting to
you preservation types in NYC. I love old diaries but don't think this one
is for me. Might give some insight to some of those old buildings, or
maybe they are all gone by now. Ruth
o 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary; Item # 2510182152
Auction ends: Feb-26-03 19:42:30 PST; Seller: diaries
This diary is a cloth-covered tan diary, about 3" x 5" closed. I
looked for the name of the author, but can't seem to find it. I
know a lot about him, just can't find his name. He seems to be a
builder or someone who does remodeling and lived in or near New
York City during 1891. He usually lists the street address for
most of the jobs he's working on at the time. The diary is
practically full. The diary starts out with him either building
or remodeling a Tabernacle in town and many pages are devoted to
writing about it, as well as other very interesting things:
"Ed R meets the architect to decide on decorations for back of
pulpit. . . Lew L., two sweeds [sic] and I work all day at the
Tabernacle. Part of the carpenters off and they commence to lay
a paper floor. . . Pay night, give up $5.00 to the Union
Delegates. Mob in New Orleans kill 11 Italians. . . mom looses
her case trying to break Ray HAMILTON's will. . . The grip [sic]
is raging again. . . Work all day at Park Ave. near 62nd St.
New York. Varnishing in hall on 5th floor. . . The Italian
minister at Washington recalled on account of New Orleans riot.
Worked all day at the Tabernacle on the plastic ornaments,
weather threatening. Visitor falls through a hole in the floor.
Work at the Tabernacle all day. Delegate DAVIS calls on us.
P. T BARNUM died yesterday. . . Pay night. Italy threatens to
take away the legation and give minister PORTER his passport.
They begin tuning the Organ. . . Go to see Lydia THOMPSON in the
Dazler at the park in evening. . . No work at the shop, go over
to New York to 84th Street and Amsterdam and stop at Washington
Market on my way down. . . Bicycle parade in prospect park in
Aft. . . . Work all day at 126 Delancy St. New York in a tenant
house among bugs of all kinds. . . seen a little girl run over
by a truck. . . work all day at Delancy St. We get 4th floor
ready for paper hanging. Weather very warm. We see a street
fight on the way home. . . Big fire raging at Jacksonville
Florida. . . Street dug out for Cable road. . . building blown
up and set a fire in Park Place about noon. . . Balamacidia is
defeated in Chili. . . five democrats start for the Saratoga
convention, two train loads from Brooklyn. . . there is a new
street commissioner appointed in New York in the place of
BEATRIX. . . Register for voting and get examined for the Royal
Arcanum. . . Maria calls me up at 4:00 am to go for doctor, the
girl is born. . . Emma has a rupture. . . Brooklyn has a water
famine. . . big fire at Court and Harrison last night, no water
to fight it, they get the water started today. . . ground broke
for a bridge over the Hudson. . ." He also mentions many names
such as: George SHERMAN, Miss POLLICK, Lydia THOMPSON, Dock
BARTELL, Dr. LEWIS, COSGROVE, Gov. HILL, Dr. ABBOTT, CAREY
Bros., H. C. HODKINS, D. H. SMITH, TERWILIGER, George TIFFANY,
Will TARBOX, Ira HARRIS, and F. W. ABELL. There are more names,
but for many he just uses initials. Places mentioned: Newburgh,
Greenwood, Brooklyn, Mohawk Valley, Talmadge, Washington,
Saratoga, Fort Hamilton, Bath Beach, Coney Island, Albany,
Hyndsville, Lawyerville, Cobleskill, Manhattan beach, and
Prospect park. There is much more.
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Subject: Re: UNH Library - posted (vintage) USGS topo maps...
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> Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that writes like this
> since...since...Truman?
What about that Office for Metropolitan History guy? Isn't he a corporate
officer, or is he just some drone employee of the bill collector? Maybe he
doesn't write as well as that other Missourian, anyway.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:51:10 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Ken, you are the only Vice-President of anything that=
writes like this since...since...Truman?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" sty=
le=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial=
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What about that Office for Metropolitan History guy? Isn't he a corpor=
ate officer, or is he just some drone employee of the bill collector? =20=
Maybe he doesn't write as well as that other Missourian, anyway.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BP On?
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> Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
>
If you were a real commie hippie faggot queer homo, you'd call them Jesus
boots.
Ralph, former Earth Shoe wearer, gone over to boots and sandals (in season) .
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Naw, all us commie, hippy, fagg=
ots wear sandles.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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If you were a real commie hippie faggot queer homo, you'd call them Jesus bo=
ots.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Permitting Saddam
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> The triple X remindes me that yesterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's
> assassination.
>
Let us remove our yarmulkes in tribute.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The triple X remindes me that y=
esterday was the anniversary of Malcolm's assassination.</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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Let us remove our yarmulkes in tribute.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:27:11 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Socks and Sandals
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Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,=20=
but one adapts.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: BP On?
>
> In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
> ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
> black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
> working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
> I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
> matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
> cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
>
> But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
> dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
>
>
>
> John,
>
> I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30=20=
> years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it=20
> appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean=20=
> socks on a daily basis.
>
> Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
>
> Ralph
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Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,
but one adapts. =20
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Naw, all us commie,
hippy, faggots wear sandles.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>Ralph =
Walter</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: BP On?
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated 2/20/2003
9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</c=
olor></underline>
writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things.=A0 I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home.=A0 Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting.=A0 Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities.=A0 I haven't shaved in 30
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks.=A0 Then again, it
appears that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean
socks on a daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph</smaller></fontfamily>
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:05:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> This was listed on a genealogy list I sub to. It might be interesting to
> you preservation types in NYC.
I'm not from NY, but this diary is Way Cool!. I'm currently doing research
on a family that came from Brooklyn (1872-1899)..Interesting to know about
the water famine..etc.
Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) near front
entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to know what kind of
neighborhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think
multistoried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family
I'm researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that time to give
their 3 kids more outdoor space...
I checked on-line historical maps, but haven't found one with enough detail
and by modern aerials, seems it has changed a lot from turn of century.
Candy Brashears
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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list I sub to. It might be interesting to<BR>
you preservation types in NYC.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I'm not from NY, but this diary is Way Cool!. I'm currently doing rese=
arch on a family that came from Brooklyn (1872-1899)..Interesting to know ab=
out the water famine..etc. <BR>
Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) near front=20=
entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to know what kind of neighbo=
rhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think multisto=
ried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I=
'm researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that time to give th=
eir 3 kids more outdoor space...<BR>
<BR>
I checked on-line historical maps, but haven't found one with enough detail=20=
and by modern aerials, seems it has changed a lot from turn of century.<BR>
<BR>
Candy Brashears<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:35:00 -0500
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Socks and Sandals
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Tried that but socks got too wet and mushie.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Socks and Sandals
Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first, =
but one adapts.=20
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Naw, all us commie, hippy, faggots wear sandles.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: BP On?
In a message dated 2/20/2003 9:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
I'm frequently accused of being obssessive about stuff...but socks
ain't one of those things. I used to have a mild concern about the
black socks matching, but that problem was simplified when I started
working from home. Most days I just grab a clean pair of from the =
top.
I do like clean socks daily...and I will go to the effort to find
matching ones of an appropriate color if I think I have to go "into =
the
cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to impress.
But finding my spouse is much more interesting. Hell, I still shave
dailey, and it ain't for them dogz and catz!
John,
I guess we just have different priorities. I haven't shaved in 30 =
years, but hate the notion of mismatched socks. Then again, it appears =
that we are in complete agreement on the importance of clean socks on a =
daily basis.
Any of you pervs out there got any objection to clean socks?
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tried that but socks got too wet and=20
mushie.</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] =
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Callan</A> </DIV>
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2003 10:27=20
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odd at=20
first, but one adapts. <BR><BR>-jc<BR>On Saturday, February 22, 2003, =
at 08:02=20
AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
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faggots wear =
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pair of=20
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effort=20
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to go=20
"into the<BR>cities" to meet with folks I'm trying to =
impress.<BR><BR>But=20
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catz!<BR><BR><BR><BR>John,<BR><BR>I guess we just have different=20
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Subject: Re: Socks and Sandals
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Minnesotans tend to wear both socks and sandles. Sounds odd at first,
> but one adapts.
>
Yeah I see them in Savannah all the time. Look Geowge Suvannuh is a lovely
city. The weathuh is so lovely. I think we should move heuh. I hope this
makes some sense. I do a better first person impression.
Steve
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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ds odd at first, <BR>
but one adapts.<BR>
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Yeah I see them in Savannah all the time. Look Geowge Suvannuh is a lovely c=
ity. The weathuh is so lovely. I think we should move heuh. I hope this make=
s some sense. I do a better first person impression.<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:33:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I'd like to know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white
> middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps close together)
> as it was around 1880-1889?
Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because 1-4
were already spoken for??):
--race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but see
below
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". Thank
Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by
searching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names
returned
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many
research libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a BP
subscriber?
Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20 million
minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria
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tandard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'd like to know what kind of n=
eighborhood (guess its was very white middleclass) and buildings (I think mu=
ltistoried -perhaps close together) as it was around 1880-1889? </FONT=
><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMIL=
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Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because 1-=
4 were already spoken for??):<BR>
<BR>
--race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but=20=
see below<BR>
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can=
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". =
; Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street<BR>
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by s=
earching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names returne=
d<BR>
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate=20=
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)<BR>
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,=20=
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many r=
esearch libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just=20=
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see=20=
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)<BR>
<BR>
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a B=
P subscriber?<BR>
<BR>
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million minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:57:32 EST
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I was trying to come up with something to try and get as much water away
> from the building as possible. A wise move.They currently have only one
> section of gutter on the back side to keep roof run off from hitting their
> HVAC units. Basically the entire lower section (2' to 4') has been or needs
> to be repointed. I associated this with roof water run off. Not
> inconceivable, but given the rest of the lousy conditions you described, I
> would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small component of the
> problem, lackagutters isn't necessarily like lackanookie. I took the
> gutters off my house about 10 years ago and it doesn't seem to have
> mattered, except that I don't get ice dams. As long as you have decent eave
> projections, I would THINK the absence of gutters shouldn't be a big deal.
> Without eaves, I would think you'd have water damage strating at the tops
> of the walls, but the guys (excuse me, gender-neutral persons) in the olden
> days knew eaves were necessary and didn't consider them expendable
> frou-frou. It is possible that the plaster deterioration maybe from window
> sill leaks. Very likely; wooden and/or masonry sills, deteriorated sash,
> caulking are all possible components here.They are currently looking for
> folks to repair some of the window woodwork and this scares the hell out of
> me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. The source(s) of the
> penetration must be properly diagnosed first; the problem is that there
> seem to be so many candidates for the sources, and ALL may well contribute.
> Heck I can't even afford them the distinction of craftsmen. I don't know
> what to call them.I bet you have an idea or two. The walls are 21" or 23"
> thick. It all depends on who you ask. And where you measure, no doubt.I did
> not see any evidence of moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one
> small area. Where was this area? Below a window, between windows, below a
> belt course, behind a leader for the limited gutters there are, or what? Ya
> gotta tell us this stuff. We are expecting some severe weather today so
> maybe tomorrow I will take a look to see if I can find some evidence of
> what is going on.Smart move; might as well take advantage of fecal weather
> conditions. The problem is, weather is uncontrolled, and you need to be
> able to direct water at specific areas (like window sills) and keep it away
> from others to determine whether each component is the source of the leak,
> and there may be different components which cause leaks in different--or
> the same--areas. It's also very possible that you've got multiple sources
> of penetration which cause leakage into one area, and that if "you" fix one
> element, there may be another 5 leaking which you don't know about and they
> will think you failed. This kind of stuff requires long term
> investigation, and is very likely to require multiple and sequential
> repairs to eventually get all the sources. You need to explain this to the
> Church, who won't like it, but T.S., Elliott. I think the building at one
> time was lime washed and I think was painted later. This may well have been
> a treatment to stop water penetration, but on the other hand, given the
> thickness of the walls, I bet it was more cosmetic than anything else. The
> congregation had someone remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam
> pressure washer which in turn destroyed Do you know for a fact that the
> brick was damaged, or are you assuming it was? When was this crime
> committed? the fire skin on the soft brick. This is certainly not good, but
> if your water-damaged plaster is limited and isolated, the destruction of
> the brick surface MAY not have had much effect, given the multiple-wythe
> construction. THAT (the multiple wythes) is probably what is saving them
> from real disaster. How long ago was the brick surface damaged; was it
> equally damaged everywhere; how old are the water penetration problems;
> does there seem to be any time relation between water penetration and work
> done on the building? Another question is whether the interior is
> plastered on furring, or is the plaster applied directly to the brick? If
> there's furring, you should open something (at the already-damaged area,
> and at a good area) and see whether there's water on the inside face of the
> brick wall running behind the plaster. Given the limited plaster damage
> you describe, my bet is that the plaster is furred--or that there is in
> fact little water penetration through the wall, since plaster over wet
> brick should go to hell quickly and fairly uniformly everywhere, unless
> there are variations in exterior surface conditions.There should be a death
> penalty given when morons like this are allowed to destroy a structure like
> this. I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. The Mikado
> is in very close agreement with you, as is your Humor Czar. Perhaps if you
> guys paid more attention to architectural crime, and less to miscegenation
> and cornholing, the South would be a better place. Kinda like New York. In
> this case it would skin removal with high pressure steam pressure washer.
> Naah, low pressure, low temperature would take longer and therefore be
> more fitting. Or maybe something involving fire ants.
There should be lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in
> Savannah who could do this investigative stuff, or do they stick to
> selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO for referrals to a
> good artichoke?
> Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:15:13 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I was trying to come up with something to try and get=20=
as much water away from the building as possible. <B><I>A wise move</I>.</B>=
They currently have only one section of gutter on the back side to keep roof=
run off from hitting their HVAC units. Basically the entire lower section (=
2' to 4') has been or needs to be repointed. I associated this with roof wat=
er run off. <B><I>Not inconceivable, but given the rest of the lousy conditi=
ons you described, I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small=20=
component of the problem</B></I>, <B><I>lackagutters isn't necessarily like=20=
lackanookie. I took the gutters off my house about 10 years ago and it doesn=
't seem to have mattered, except that I don't get ice dams. As long as you h=
ave decent eave projections, I would THINK the absence of gutters shouldn't=20=
be a big deal. Without eaves, I would think you'd have water damage st=
rating at the tops of the walls, but the guys (excuse me, gender-neutral per=
sons) in the olden days knew eaves were necessary and didn't consider them e=
xpendable frou-frou. </B></I>It is possible that the plaster deterioration m=
aybe from window sill leaks. <B><I>Very likely; wooden and/or masonry sills,=
deteriorated sash, caulking are all possible components here.</B></I>They a=
re currently looking for folks to repair some of the window woodwork and thi=
s scares the hell out of me considering the idiot craftsmen in this city. <B=
><I>The source(s) of the penetration must be properly diagnosed first; the p=
roblem is that there seem to be so many candidates for the sources, and ALL=20=
may well contribute. </B></I>Heck I can't even afford them the distinction o=
f craftsmen. I don't know what to call them.<B><I>I bet you have an idea or=20=
two.</B></I> The walls are 21" or 23" thick. It all depends on who you ask.=20=
<B><I>And where you measure, no doubt.</B></I>I did not see any evidence of=20=
moisture in the plaster yesterday except for one small area. <B><I>Where was=
this area? Below a window, between windows, below a belt course, behind a l=
eader for the limited gutters there are, or what? Ya gotta tell us this stuf=
f. </B></I>We are expecting some severe weather today so maybe tomorrow I wi=
ll take a look to see if I can find some evidence of what is going on.<B><I>=
Smart move; might as well take advantage of fecal weather conditions. =20=
The problem is, weather is uncontrolled, and you need to be able to direct w=
ater at specific areas (like window sills) and keep it away from others to d=
etermine whether each component is the source of the leak, and there may be=20=
different components which cause leaks in different--or the same--areas. It'=
s also very possible that you've got multiple sources of penetration which c=
ause leakage into one area, and that if "you" fix one element, there may be=20=
another 5 leaking which you don't know about and they will think you failed.=
This kind of stuff requires long term investigation, and is very like=
ly to require multiple and sequential repairs to eventually get all the sour=
ces. You need to explain this to the Church, who won't like it, but T.S., El=
liott.</B></I> I think the building at one time was lime washed and I think=20=
was painted later. <B><I>This may well have been a treatment to stop water p=
enetration, but on the other hand, given the thickness of the walls, I bet i=
t was more cosmetic than anything else.</B></I> The congregation had someone=
remove the paint(?) and in doing so used steam pressure washer which in tur=
n destroyed <B><I>Do you know for a fact that the brick was damaged, or are=20=
you assuming it was? When was this crime committed? </B></I>the fire skin on=
the soft brick. <B><I>This is certainly not good, but if your water-damaged=
plaster is limited and isolated, the destruction of the brick surface MAY n=
ot have had much effect, given the multiple-wythe construction. THAT (=
the multiple wythes) is probably what is saving them from real disaster. How=
long ago was the brick surface damaged; was it equally damaged everywhere;=20=
how old are the water penetration problems; does there seem to be any time r=
elation between water penetration and work done on the building? Anoth=
er question is whether the interior is plastered on furring, or is the plast=
er applied directly to the brick? If there's furring, you should open=20=
something (at the already-damaged area, and at a good area) and see whether=20=
there's water on the inside face of the brick wall running behind the plaste=
r. Given the limited plaster damage you describe, my bet is that the p=
laster is furred--or that there is in fact little water penetration through=20=
the wall, since plaster over wet brick should go to hell quickly and fairly=20=
uniformly everywhere, unless there are variations in exterior surface condit=
ions.</B></I>There should be a death penalty given when morons like this are=
allowed to destroy a structure like this. I think the punishment should be=20=
comparable to the crime. <B><I>The Mikado is in very close agreement with yo=
u, as is your Humor Czar. Perhaps if you guys paid more attention to archite=
ctural crime, and less to miscegenation and cornholing, the South would be a=
better place. Kinda like New York. </B></I>In this case it would skin remov=
al with high pressure steam pressure washer. <B><I>Naah, low pressure,=
low temperature would take longer and therefore be more fitting. Or m=
aybe something involving fire ants. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000=
000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"=
Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></B></I><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B><I> There should be=20=
lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" styl=
e=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic San=
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c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B><I>Savannah who could do this investigative stuff,=20=
or do they stick to selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO fo=
r referrals to a good artichoke?<BR>
Ralph</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></B><=
/I><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:00:09 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Draft Evasion
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:22:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> No I think Powell was born here; the black entertainer (collipso singer, I
> can't remember his nameThat would be Harry Belafonte, who Denzel Washington
> seems to hold in high esteem) that called him a house n......r in a receint
> interview is from there. Maybe it was Powell's father who was from Down
> There somewhere, but I somehow thought it was Powell himself.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">No I think Powell was born here=
; the black entertainer (collipso singer, I can't remember his name<B>That w=
ould be Harry Belafonte, who Denzel Washington seems to hold in high esteem<=
/B>) that called him a house n......r in a receint interview is from there.&=
nbsp; <B>Maybe it was Powell's father who was from Down There somewhere, but=
I somehow thought it was Powell himself.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:02:40 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:24:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
> jh
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A>
>> To: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Iraq response &Constitution
>>
>>
>> In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.
>>
>>
>> JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies
>> I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black
>> market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he?
>> ][<en
>
Jim,
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe even funnier
than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:24:15 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I did'nt get that one, you'll h=
ave to share.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
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=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- <B=
R>
<B>From:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> <BR>
<B>To:</B> <A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULL=
[log in to unmask]</A> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 21, 2003 11:15 AM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response &Constitution<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn movies I've=20=
been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them black market and=20=
I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker ain't he? ][<en</FON=
T><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMI=
LY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Jim, <BR>
<BR>
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe eve=
n funnier than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."<BR>
<BR>
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:06:05 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Ralph: "possible that you've got multiple sources of penetration"
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:58:23 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relatively small component of the
> problem, lackagutters isn't necessarily like lackanookie.
So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners, But Feeling
Frisky
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/03 10:58:23 AM, RLWALTR@=
AOL.COM writes:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>I would think lackagutters is (maybe) a relative=
ly small component of the problem</B></I>, <B><I>lackagutters isn't necessar=
ily like lackanookie. </BLOCKQUOTE></B></I><BR>
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So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?<BR>
<BR>
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners,=20=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:10:15 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects
As a wise man once said in another context, the only good architect is a dead
architect.
Present company accepted, except in my case.
Ralph
Ooh-- what's that pain?
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects </BLO=
CKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20=
SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
As a wise man once said in another context, the only good architect is a dea=
d architect. <BR>
<BR>
Present company accepted, except in my case.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
Ooh-- what's that pain?</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:11:03 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:58:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. How much do I owe you? Stand by the mail
box.
Steve
> There should be lots of Histo Presto Fags down there in
> >> Savannah who could do this investigative stuff, or do they stick to
>> selecting fabric and wallpapers? What about your SHPO for referrals to a
>> good artichoke?
>>
>
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rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. How much do I owe you? Stand by the mai=
l box.<BR>
<BR>
Steve<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>There should be lots of H=
isto Presto Fags down there in </B></I><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B><I>Savannah who could do thi=
s investigative stuff, or do they stick to selecting fabric and wallpapers?=20=
What about your SHPO for referrals to a good artichoke?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></B></I><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:12:52 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Ralph: "possible that you've got multiple sources of
penetration"
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:07:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?
>
> Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners, But
> Feeling Frisky
Never occurred to me that nookie needed installation, but it makes sense that
it has to come from somewhere.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:07:03 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">So, Ralph, you know a good nookie installer?<BR>
<BR>
Sign me, Don't Normally Approve of Sexually-Related One-liners,=20=
But Feeling Frisky </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BAC=
KGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Never occurred to me that nookie needed installation, but it makes sense tha=
t it has to come from somewhere.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:14:46 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter...and we're gonna inundate you
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:11:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. Sharp like a marble. How much do I owe
> you? Stand by the mail box. Good thing my porch has wide eaves, in this
> goddam rain.
Ralph (Ken [and his son] cleaned MY bricks)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 11:11:23 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Hot damn that Ralph is a sharp tack. <B>Sharp like a m=
arble. </B>How much do I owe you? Stand by the mail box. <B>Good thing my po=
rch has wide eaves, in this goddam rain.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"=
#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B>Ralph</B> <B>(Ken [a=
nd his son] cleaned MY bricks)</B><BR>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:49:06 -0500
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From: "Donald B. White" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Calculating
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Message text written by Ralph
>As an architect, I use a special subtracting calculator when reviewing
contractors' Applications for Payment. This is as opposed to contractors=
,
who use a special multiplying calculator for preparing their bids and
Applications for Payment.
<
Oh, I see... one calculator for contracting and a different one for
expanding?
I use a digital calculator.... I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity =
if
I take my shoes off. =
Sign me, Arithmetically Challenged
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Calculating
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:50:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I use a digital calculator.... I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity if
> I take my shoes off.
>
Don't forget the other digit.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I use a digital calculator....=20=
I count on my fingers. Twice the capacity if<BR>
I take my shoes off. <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Don't forget the other digit.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:45:22 -0500
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From: "vgernet.net" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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Classified 1-H 4/10/72 with #252. Strange, I just ran across the original
card used as a book mark ( Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me). I
never realized what a great name it was; Selective Service System.
I'm still on the group W bench. I think getting that card was one of the few
things I remember between 1969 and 1980. Speaking of war, were the NYers a
little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
ctb
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> John Callan wrote:
>
> > ' Didn't hey pull the plug on the draft in '72?
>
> but they kept the lottery around for a couple of more years.
> sign me,
> 278 in '73
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If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow =
melt. All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in =
the Berkshires
----- Original Message -----=20
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To: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked =
Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will =
all melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont =
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24" and a week later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just =
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Saw it with my daughter when it came out. Yea it was very funny. Didn't =
the song "Uncle f..ker" get an Oscar?
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 9:24:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
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I did'nt get that one, you'll have to share.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken Follett=20
To: [log in to unmask]
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In any case I think SM was completely sand bagged.=20
JH: So are you telling me it is not little SM in the child p*rn =
movies I've been watching? I paid a hell of a lot of money to get them =
black market and I'd hate to hear I got swindled. Oily little slicker =
ain't he? ][<en=20
Jim,=20
Check out "South Park" the movie. It is funny as hell. Maybe even =
funnier than The Pig Fart Movie, AKA "A Private Function."
I kid you not, and recommend both highly.
Ralph
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Iraq response &Constitution<BR><BR><BR>In any case I think SM =
was=20
completely sand bagged. <BR><BR><BR>JH: So are you telling me it =
is not=20
little SM in the child p*rn movies I've been watching? I paid a =
hell of a=20
lot of money to get them black market and I'd hate to hear I got =
swindled.=20
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movie. It is=20
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Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
themselves. Festus is in Ithaca now, staying at the Hillside Inn last I
heard, don't know where Eve is. Although I consider Festus my friend, I
would have to question "Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and
Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as
"intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken
in" easily." This was not my experiance with Mike. After he burned down his
parents house making french fries we shared a house during my saltmine
period. We also shared a cell one night, my sister bailed me out, but
wouldn't go for Festus. I remember the incident as something about a log, a
boa constrictor and my view of the consitution.
ctb raining harder going down to look at the river
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Subject: Eve & Festus
> The adventures of my friends Eve & Festus. This is the last news that I
have of them. Early Heaven’s Gate.
>
> The Ithaca Journal, October 30, 1975, By Gail Dickinson
>
> Two former Ithacans have joined a group of people from Oregon who say they
are preparing to be taken to another level beyond humans by a spaceship.
>
> The whereabouts of the two is not known, but recent letters to their
families indicate they are committed to the group and its philosophy.
> On Sept. 18, Michael Fiester, 24, and Eve Ujhelyi, 21. who left Ithaca in
late 1973 for Oregon, joined the followers of a couple who claim to be "sent
from another level above that of human."
> Families of the two have received letters from both which tell of their
belief in the couple and in their claims that persons who follow them. will
be "reborn."
>
> The disappearance of about 20 Oregon residents also with an undetermined
number of Californians has been in the national news in recent weeks. There
have been reports of people giving away children and property before leaving
to join the group.
> Dan Staggs, 43, a person with whom the two Ithacans were living in
Springfield, Ore., also has joined the group. Staggs gave away his house
before leaving, according to Chris Carlson, who now lives in the home.
>
> Fiester's mother, Mrs. John Fiester of Trumansburg Road, Ithaca, said she
has written to President Ford and will write Rep. Matthew McHugh (D Ithaca)
requesting help in locating her son.
>
> She, said she and. her husband were in Florida when her son left Oregon
with the group. When they returned here last week, there were two letters
from their son, one written around Sept. 18 before he left and mailed later
by a friend, and another, postmarked Enid, Okla., and dated Oct. 12. Both
letters were shown to The Journal by Mrs. Fiester.
>
> In the first letter, Michael, known by friends to Ithaca as "Festus," said
he was going on a "quest for the truth and my real self." He said he felt
"directed to do it" and that it was his own will.
>
> In the second letter, he explained that "in essence we are all endeavoring
to be re united with our father creator." He said he was undergoing "the
preparations necessary for any human to undergo in order to attain that next
level."
> In both of the letter. Fiester stressed he is doing this of his own free
will and denied that "hypnosis, death, murder. fraud, etc.,". is involved.'
>
> Eve Ujhelyi's father, who lives in Oregon, said in a telephone interview
he has not heard from his daughter. Her sister, Gabriel, who lives in
Atlanta, told The Journal she has received two communications. One, mailed
from Oregon, was written before the pair left with the group, and the
second, dated Oct. 7, was mailed from Yorkville, Ill.
>
> In both letters, Ms. Ujhelyi asked her sister not to worry. In one, she
said that she had "gone to see the Wizard and catch a spaceship."
> It is not known if Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester are still together. They told
Ms. Carlson before they left that they expected to be separated, and in one
of the letters to her sister, Ms. Ujhelyi said that "Festus is 'gone,' too."
>
> Staggs is apparently no longer with the group, Ms. Carlson said. A recent
letter, without postmark or date, has been received from him saying that he
had "disassociated" himself from any group.
>
> Ms. Carlson said that the three were very optimistic before they left. She
stressed that they were "very capable people ... who knew what they were
doing." She said she now regrets not having gone to the Oregon meetings to
join the group.
> "They have been pretty much exposed to the world," she said. "They knew
what was real and what wasn't." She said she is not worried about the trio
because "these people know when to bail out "
>
> She said she would like to give the pair, "a lot of positive
encouragement."
>
> Fiester, Ms. Ujhelyi and Staggs attended three meetings over a two week
period before they left on Sept. 18, Ms. Carlson said. She felt that in
leaving, and limiting communication, the three were "demanding privacy to do
what they want to do with their lives."
>
> Before they left, Ms. Carlson said, they were upset at the criticism by
their friends, who thought the whole thing was a hoax. The three people were
"totally committed," she said, "and were hoping that their friends would
understand."
>
> Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and Fiester in Ithaca was one of
surprise at the news. Friends described them as "intelligent and rational"
people whom they would not expect to be "taken in" easily.
>
> Ms. Ujhelyi's family was not religious, according to her sister Gabriel.
Fiester, according to his mother, was raised to be religious, although he
had not practiced any religion for several years. Mrs. Fiester said her son
may be "trying to find something." She also said that she believed her son
might be "brainwashed."
>
> Besides the letters to Ford and McHugh, Mr. Fiester has gone to see
District Attorney Joseph Joch, but Joch was unavailable this morning for
comment.
>
> Literature from the group, called by some the "Human Individual
Metamorphosis" society, claims the group is not a religious, spiritual or
philosophical organization. It claims it is "reality."
>
> Fiester said in one letter that news accounts of the group are "faulty."
>
> The two leaders of the group will be assassinated soon, the literature
says, and will return after three days, when their followers will leave in a
"space ship."
>
> The two leaders, identified by police as Marshall Herff Applewhite, 43,
and Bonnie Lee Trousdale Nettles, 48, both have criminal records. Applewhite
spent four months in jail in St. Louis for car theft, and Miss Nettles was
charged in Houston on credit card abuse. No record of the disposition of her
case exists.
>
> The whereabouts of the almost 90 disciples supposed to be with the couple
is not known.
>
> Two lecturers are scheduled to hold a meeting tonight in Oakland , Calif.,
according to the Portland Oregonian newspaper. The meeting place, the
Upstairs Art Association, said it knew nothing about the meeting, according
to the Oregonian. The association said a Halloween benefit is planned there
tonight.
>
> http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news970331.html
> http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/events/03317eva.htm
> XXX
>
> ][<en
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My loving people, we have been persuaded by some, that are careful of our
safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes, for fear of
treachery; but I assure you, I do not desire to live to distrust my faithful
and loving people. Let tyrants fear; I have always so behaved myself that,
under God, I have placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal
hearts and good will of my subjects. And therefore I am come amongst you at
this time, not as for my recreation or sport, but being resolved, in the
midst and heat of the battle, to live or die amongst you all; to lay down,
for my God, and for my kingdom, and for my people, my honor and my blood,
even the dust. I know I have but the body of a weak and feeble woman; but I
have the heart of a king, and of a king of England, too; and think foul scorn
that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the
borders of my realms: to which, rather than any dishonor should grow by me, I
myself will take up arms; I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder
of every one of your virtues in the field. I know already, by your
forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we do assure you,
on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the mean my
lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince commanded a
more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my general,
by your concord in the camp, and by your valor in the field, we shall shortly
have a famous victory over the enemies of my God, of my kingdom, and of my
people.
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dy, by your forwardness, that you have deserved rewards and crowns; and we d=
o assure you, on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you. In the m=
ean my lieutenant general shall be in my stead, than whom never prince comma=
nded a more noble and worthy subject; not doubting by your obedience to my g=
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:21:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What is the roof material; what condition are the soffits and facia in;
> what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the
> water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below
> grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing
> extend below grade?
>
What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend
resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean
every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade
walls and other related troubles?
Twybil
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<BR>
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condition are the soffits and facia in;<BR>
what is the grading like around the building; where will you place the<BR>
water instead of against the foundation; is the plaster damage below<BR>
grade; is there adequate ventilation; does the pointing or repointing<BR>
extend below grade?<BR>
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es to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean every t=
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d other related troubles?<BR>
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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> Speaking of war, were the NYers a
> little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
>
Nah, we're gettin' used to this shit.
Village Security Idiot
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:48:01 -0500
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:46:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade walls and other
> related troubles?
Good point, Mr. T. Fuhgeddabout gutters.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:52:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Speaking of war, were the NYers a
> little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten
> Island?>
>
> Nah, we're gettin' used to this shit.
As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other hand, I was farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.
Ralph
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> Speaking of war, were the NYers a little nervous when the column of smoke rising from Staten Island?
CTB: My reaction to SI, RI, Chicago and S. Korea is, "We don't need terrorists. We are going to do ourselves in without them." ][<en
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> The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
JH: Looks like Hale Bop to me! ][<en
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> writes like this since...since...Truman?
Sharpshooter: You mean like this?
"I bet there'll be more bohunks and "Rooshans" up there than white men. I think it is a disgrace to the country for those fellows to be in it. If they had only stopped immigration about twenty or thirty years ago, the good Americans could all have had plenty of land and we'd have been an agricultural country forever. You know as long as a country is one of that kind, people are more independent and make better citizens. When it is made up of factories and large cities it soon becomes depressed and makes classes among people. Every farmer thinks he's as good as the President or perhaps a little bit better. When a man works for a boss, he is soon impressed with how small he is and how great the boss is until he actually believes it is so and that money makes the world go round. It does I guess in very large cities." HST
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Subject: Re: UNH Library -- Truman?
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> Sharpshooter: You mean like this?
>
PLEASE tell us he wrote this about the turn of the century, or even as late
as he went off to WWI and complained about all the Kikes in New York, and not
any time after April 12, 1945.
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 6:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What's the likelyhood that they are going to take the time or expend
> resources to have the gutters and downspouts periodically, and I don't mean
> every ten years, cleaned out - thereby preventing overflow onto the facade
> walls and other related troubles?
>
Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probably ten or twelve feet
from the building. They recently cut it down so there are not any trees close
to the building. You do have a good point though. I was talking to several
members of the church and I believe they cleaned out the gutter in the rear
about three years ago.
Steve
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:09:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probably ten or twelve feet
> from the building. They recently cut it down so there are not any trees
> close to the building. You do have a good point though. I was talking to
> several members of the church and I believe they cleaned out the gutter in
> the rear about three years ago.
>
Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow
around.
Cleaning gutters every three years ought to be quite sufficient. Tell them
they don't need to bathe any more often than that, either. But be sure to
stay out of town for awhile.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:09:19 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Well, there was a red oak in the rear that was probabl=
y ten or twelve feet from the building. They recently cut it down so there a=
re not any trees close to the building. You do have a good point though. I w=
as talking to several members of the church and I believe they cleaned out t=
he gutter in the rear about three years ago.<BR>
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Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow=20=
around.<BR>
Cleaning gutters every three years ought to be quite sufficient. Tell=20=
them they don't need to bathe any more often than that, either. But be=
sure to stay out of town for awhile.<BR>
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never been known to blow
> around.
>
Nothing like a smawt ass.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:26:19 PM Easte=
rn Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">Fortunately, leaves fall absolutely plumb and have never be=
en known to blow around.<BR>
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fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Nothing like a smawt ass.<BR>
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:30:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Nothing like a smawt ass.
Nor a fart smeller, either.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:30:33 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 02:41:21 -0500
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> If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow melt. All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in the Berkshires
The Atlantic, close by, is often charged. Between the gusts of light to heavy rain we have had thunder and lightening to the south since early evening. ][<en
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> Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed themselves.
CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed to me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember in particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's & the buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those nights the '55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize anyone, including myself, that I knew during that period as being particularly sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours and feel comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As to the Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort information. ][<en
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:05:42 -0800
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Subject: Rain, rain go away
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Snowed here most of the day but it was warm enough that it didn't stick til
about 2 this afternoon. By about 4:30 it was sleet then rain, mostly just
drizzle. The state trucks have been by with plows and salt and traffic
seems to be moving right along.
Sometimes ours goes slowly and sometimes really fast. We have our share of
floods too, just usually later in the spring. If we have a lot of snow
like this year and then a lot of rain and warm weather we get floods.
Oh well, sugaring season is right around the corner, just about Town
Meeting Day. You guys in the city wouldn't know about Town Meeting Day but
it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business
for the coming year. Ruth
At 2:02 PM -0500 2/22/03, vgernet.net wrote:
If it's raining as hard up at Ruths as it is here it won't be a slow melt.
All the rivers are frozen too, it could get interesting. ctb in the
Berkshires
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From the looks of it on the telly I think we already attacked Antarctica
and they dumped snow on NYC &Washington, DC. Ruth up north where a
two-footer is a snow squall.
Ruth: Double whammy attack, now it is warming up too fast and it will all
melt real quick and flood us out. Leastways my impression of Vermont is you
get a relatively slow melt. Here, and south of there, it snows 24" and a
week later it is all gone and the crocuses are blooming just in time for
another snow fall and freeze. ][<en
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:07:47 -0800
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They sound quite the pair. Ruth
At 3:11 PM -0500 2/22/03, vgernet.net wrote:
>Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
>themselves. Festus is in Ithaca now, staying at the Hillside Inn last I
>heard, don't know where Eve is. Although I consider Festus my friend, I
>would have to question "Reaction from people who knew Ms. Ujhelyi and
>Fiester in Ithaca was one of surprise at the news. Friends described them as
>"intelligent and rational" people whom they would not expect to be "taken
>in" easily." This was not my experiance with Mike. After he burned down his
>parents house making french fries we shared a house during my saltmine
>period. We also shared a cell one night, my sister bailed me out, but
>wouldn't go for Festus. I remember the incident as something about a log, a
>boa constrictor and my view of the consitution.
>ctb raining harder going down to look at the river
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:41:54 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Rain, rain go away
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:51:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> You guys in the city wouldn't know about Town Meeting Day but
> it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business
> for the coming year.
Ruth,
We've heard about Town Meetings (as the purest form of democracy, or some
such), but I'm curious about how it is possible to conduct business in
advance. Are there occasional, or regular scheduled follow-up meetings, or
what?
Ralph
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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now about Town Meeting Day but<BR>
it is a very important day up here when we get to do the town's business<BR>
for the coming year.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
We've heard about Town Meetings (as the purest form of democracy, or some su=
ch), but I'm curious about how it is possible to conduct business in advance=
. Are there occasional, or regular scheduled follow-up meetings, or what?<BR=
>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:04:19 -0500
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Maybe you can get on the return flight.
jh
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> > The shuttle is that little white dot on the left.
>
> JH: Looks like Hale Bop to me! ][<en
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:23:49 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking
> in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other hand, I was
> farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.
>
>
Ralph-
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was just
starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
VI
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As it happened, I was at the Dr=
's office (in Joisey) and think I was looking in the right direction, and di=
dn't see anything. On the other hand, I was farther away this time and=
it was nowhere near as clear as Sept 11.<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ralph-<BR>
<BR>
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was jus=
t starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:30:44 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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Steve-
Did they save the wood for me? After three years they should have had some
nice oak saplings growing in that gutter.
Twyb.
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<BR>
Did they save the wood for me? After three years they should have had=20=
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<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:23 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/22/03 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have to take "5" because
> 1-4 were already spoken for??):
Mockchap5 was my first email account - ever - and everyone in the house used
it, so we tried to cover all bases.
MOCKCHAP5: Mock = short for Mockingbird Handcrafts (I paint, but rarely
anymore); Chap = short for Chapman (maiden name / Very recognizable to
family); 5 = number of immediate family members.
Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs
and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have time I'll
get around to it" schedule.
> --race and class: census returns, usually searchable by name only but see
> below
> --occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can
> search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling".
> Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street
> --you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by
> searching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names
> returned
> --with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate
> those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)
> --if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,
> heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many
> research libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not
> just maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see
> www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)
>
> I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a BP
> subscriber?
>
> Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20 million
> minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria
Thank you for the On-Line resource. I'm often too lazy and most definitely
too cheap to scoot off to NY, for this particular project anyway, to look up
the Brooklyn directories. It might cost me as much as $25 ! to get there from
here in CT. More if I drive and fill my car with gasoline instead of wheat
paste. The Brooklyn connection , while critical, does not have to be as
detailed as I would like re: building configuration; would be nice though to
"know". CT libraries are not always abound with maps from other cities - of
course, if I weren't so lazy, I might get around to checking whose got
detailed city maps from them thar' foreign places outside of CT.
Just so you know, I've have checked my research families' houses in CT and
have found them all in the directories and maps here - like the ones you
describe.
Now that you've provided an on-line source I'll check it out from my comfy
abode.
Thank you for assistance. You will not be hired at this time, however, for
your trouble I will send a check for $1 million to your Nigerian account.
> Our Motto: Old Buildings, Dead Architects
Live Buildings, Dead custodians
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/22/03 10:57:27 AM Eastern Standar=
d Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCIT=
E style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0=
px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Candace (what the hell is MockChap - and did you have=
to take "5" because 1-4 were already spoken for??):</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#=
000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=
=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Mockchap5 was my first email account - ever - and everyone in the house used=
it, so we tried to cover all bases.<BR>
MOCKCHAP5: Mock =3D short for Mockingbird Handcrafts (I paint, but ra=
rely anymore); Chap =3D short for Chapman (maiden name / Very recognizable t=
o family); 5 =3D number of immediate family members.<BR>
Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs=
and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have ti=
me I'll get around to it" schedule.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">--race and class: census=20=
returns, usually searchable by name only but see below<BR>
--occupants: Ancestry has a digitized 1888 Brooklyn directory; you can=
search for names, yes, but you can also keyword search for "Sterling". =
; Thank Allah that they didn't live on Smith Street<BR>
--you can determine occupancy by cross searching the Ancestry directory by s=
earching for specific addresses, and determining the number of names returne=
d<BR>
--with specific names, you can then search the digitized censuses to locate=20=
those households (note: no census for1890, only 1880 and 1900)<BR>
--if you are too damn cheap to buy an 1880's Brooklyn atlas (showing sizes,=20=
heights and lot coverage of buildings) on the web ($500 or so), many r=
esearch libraries have a microfiche set of American city landmaps (not just=20=
maps, but landmaps aka atlases aka landbooks aka insurance maps) (see=20=
www.nysoclib.org "Researching ..." for an illustration)<BR>
<BR>
I bet you're too lazy to do all this, 'cause why else would you be a B=
P subscriber?<BR>
<BR>
Basic ancestry is $60/year. Or public library. Or hire us - $20=20=
million minimum, payable to our account in Nigeria</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"=
Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Thank you for the On-L=
ine resource. I'm often too lazy and most definitely too cheap to scoo=
t off to NY, for this particular project anyway, to look up the Brooklyn dir=
ectories. It might cost me as much as $25 ! to get there from here in CT. Mo=
re if I drive and fill my car with gasoline instead of wheat paste. The Broo=
klyn connection , while critical, does not have to be as detailed as I would=
like re: building configuration; would be nice though to "know". CT l=
ibraries are not always abound with maps from other cities - of course, if I=
weren't so lazy, I might get around to checking whose got detailed city map=
s from them thar' foreign places outside of CT.<BR>
Just so you know, I've have checked my research families' houses in CT and h=
ave found them all in the directories and maps here - like the ones you desc=
ribe. <BR>
<BR>
Now that you've provided an on-line source I'll check it out from my comfy a=
bode.<BR>
Thank you for assistance. You will not be hired at this time, however, for y=
our trouble I will send a check for $1 million to your Nigerian account. <BR=
>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Our Motto: Old Buildings,=
Dead Architects </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"></BLO=
CKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Live Buildings, Dead custodians<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:22:00 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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Twybil,
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What would
you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I don't
think the palmettos will do so well.
Sign me,
High of 64
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<BR>
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What woul=
d you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I don't=
think the palmettos will do so well. <BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
High of 64</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:27:14 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Candace,
We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your
priorities. Thanks a lot.
Sign me,
When I get around to it
> Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my other accounts for VIPs
> and check daily. BP and other lists get read from the "when I have time
> I'll get around to it" schedule.
>
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=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:59:22 AM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
Candace,<BR>
<BR>
We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your prior=
ities. Thanks a lot.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
When I get around to it<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Mockchap5 is my "list serve account" now - I save my=20=
other accounts for VIPs and check daily. BP and other lists get read f=
rom the "when I have time I'll get around to it" schedule.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 07:54:38 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Now will somebody please look these two up and find out what happened to
them. Then again maybe not, it would take all the romance out of it to
find Eve is a comfortable matron with four kids and two dogs and a member
of the school board to boot, is small town America. Ruth
At 3:17 AM -0500 2/23/03, Ken Follett wrote:
>> Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
>>themselves.
>
>CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal
>article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story
>behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist
>Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed
>to me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember
>in particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's &
>the buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those
>nights the '55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize
>anyone, including myself, that I knew during that period as being
>particularly sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours
>and feel comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As
>to the Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort
>information. ][<en
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:43 -0500
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn Mighty Oaks
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high
> amongst your priorities. Thanks a lot.
Steve (and Candace),
I was thinking the same thing about her backwards priorities, but maybe we should'nt expect too much from somebody who fills her car with wheat paste instead of gasoline.
As for wheat paste and oak saplings, I noted a few days ago that Mrs. Ralph has a gigantic plastic bottle full of a vitamin supplement called Quercitin + C, with a rather abstract-looking photo on it that looked to me like a piece of split oak stump, and another of what looked like quartered oak veneer. The label said it was all natural (of course) and citrus free. The "quer" part of the name of this stuff made me wonder whether they had adapted the name from some variation of Latin for "oak," so I looked it up. Turns out that quercitin is the legitimate name for the bottom layer of the bark of the oak tree. So Mrs. Ralph is taking sawdust pills.
The boys at Stalag 17 (and 13) would be so pleased to know the Krauts were providing them vitamin-enriched health loaves, and not just bread made with sawdust.
So Steve, save those oak saplings; Twybil probably has lumber rather than health food in mind.
Ralph
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:59:39 -0500
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:54:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Now will somebody please look these two up and find out what happened to them. Then again maybe not, it would take all the romance out of it to find Eve is a comfortable matron with four kids and two dogs and a member of the school board to boot, is small town America.
Ruth,
If Eve and Fester (or Fungus, Flergus, Fetus, Flatus or whatever his name is) were of any interest, they'd be Pinheads today, not mere long-lost ex-acquaintances of Ken. I have a feeling we're better off with abbreviated second-hand stories about them than their own first-hand accounts of Heaven's Gate and Flying Saucers (rectal probes, anyone?).
Just my opinion.
Ralph
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> I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was
> just starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
>
We should be so lucky.
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In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007
writes:
>
> The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then
> off again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting
> up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea
> kayaking.
>
> The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick
> plastic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the
> water swirling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight
> rope.
>
> The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at
> our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small
> bubbling faces.
>
> Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great
> dinner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to
> Auckland where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight
> finds me in Raglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of
> Auckland. I went out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri
> beach--beautifully wide and endless with black sand and very clean breaks.
> We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars. We
> have one all to ourselves. It's set up on one of the high hills overlooking
> the beach. Today it was gray all around except in the South West where
> little whip cream clouds slowly moved across a brilliant blue sky, like a
> herd of elephants. A maori missing all of his front teeth with a huge
> matted black mane down six inches below his shoulders encouraged me after I
> mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it,
> yoo niver ken loose it."
>
> I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I
> think it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He
> alternated between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions
> of his country love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying
> here with you", along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."
>
> Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a
> giant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to
> AKL for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.
>
> For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you.
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s:<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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DDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then of=
f again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting up=20=
at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea kayak=
ing. <BR>
<BR>
The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick pla=
stic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the water sw=
irling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight rope.<BR>
<BR>
The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at=20=
our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small bu=
bbling faces.<BR>
<BR>
Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great din=
ner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to Auckland=20=
where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight finds me in R=
aglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of Auckland. I we=
nt out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri beach--beautifully wide and=
endless with black sand and very clean breaks. We're staying in a hotel/hos=
tel where you stay in converted train cars. We have one all to ourselves. It=
's set up on one of the high hills overlooking the beach. Today it was gray=20=
all around except in the South West where little whip cream clouds slowly mo=
ved across a brilliant blue sky, like a herd of elephants. A maori missing a=
ll of his front teeth with a huge matted black mane down six inches below hi=
s shoulders encouraged me after I mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months=
: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it, yoo niver ken loose it."<BR>
<BR>
I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I thi=
nk it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He alternated=20=
between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions of his coun=
try love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying here with you",=
along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."<BR>
<BR>
Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a gi=
ant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to AKL=
for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.<BR>
<BR>
For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you. </BLOCKQUOTE>=
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:59:39 EST
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Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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> We Pinheads are comforted by the fact that we sit so high amongst your
> priorities. Thanks a lot.
>
> Sign me,
> When I get around to it
>
Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, that I
don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see. Therefore,
"when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug of coffee, my
feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to the discourse.
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I got around to it
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igh amongst your priorities. Thanks a lot.<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
When I get around to it<BR>
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Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, th=
at I don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see. There=
fore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug of cof=
fee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to the dis=
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:40:54 -0500
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LRY(Liberal Religious Youth) was not a drug cult, but the opposite. We made
our own rules against using drugs and alcohol during meetings or events and
followed them. Many of us, like the whole society, were gonzos, but not
there. I consider my time there well spent, in fact it was great. Speaking
of Festus, I remember working with him for his dad unloading bagged cement
at Cayuga Lumber. Part of that facility was an immense woodworking mill,
complete with planers, gang saws, band saws, ect , all operated by complex
leather belt and pulley system. I don't remember the power plant , but it
could have been water at one time. All gone when flood control project came
through.ctb
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From: "Ken Follett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
> > Eve and Festus left the Hevens Gate folks shortly before they offed
themselves.
>
> CTB: I appreciate the news... I've carried ouround the Ithaca Journal
article since '75 and when I come across it I often wonder about the story
behind the story. Eve I think we met through LRY at the Universalist
Church -- that was something of a drug cult in itself. She always seemed to
me high spirited and larger than life. Festus the one thing I remember in
particular is his freaking one night out on a back road about UFO's & the
buzzing of a power pole transformer. I think it was one of those nights the
'55 Ford PU was acting up. Regardless, I would not characterize anyone,
including myself, that I knew during that period as being particularly
sensible. Festus was someone that you could be with for hours and feel
comfortable as he was like a shadow along for the adventure. As to the
Journal article, I'm very aware at how the newspapers distort
information. ][<en
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Candice Brashears
> Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM
>=20
> Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?)=20
> near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to=20
> know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white=20
> middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps=20
> close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm=20
> researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that=20
> time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...
Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there? This is =
the best way I know to get at the physical structures and their =
evolution. By comparing them year to year, you can see how a parcel =
changed over time. Once you get the legend figured out, they are =
incredibly detailed, right down to the number of windows on a fa=E7ade, =
where the doors are, the material of the roof, etc. They were producing =
maps for Raleigh in the 1890s, so they surely were well-detailed for NYC =
during that decade.
__________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Oh joy! Rapture! Now
Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
Districts Commission - Scarecrow
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:56:41 -0500
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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 9:24 AM
In a message dated 2/22/2003 7:52:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
As it happened, I was at the Dr's office (in Joisey) and think I was
looking in the right direction, and didn't see anything. On the other
hand, I was farther away this time and it was nowhere near as clear as
Sept 11.
I heard the explosion and saw the smoke, but I thought Staten Island was
just starting up its engine and moving down to the Outer Banks.
I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would object to
this. They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the
Graveyard of the Atlantic.=20
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Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:03:29 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Met History
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:41 PM
...donations accepted at www.TeenagerWithoutCash.ATM.
In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007
writes:
we were resting up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park=20
We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars.
We have one all to ourselves. =20
At least he didn't set off any of Irene's dirty little filters; he's
much better at inference than Ralph....
_______________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Met=20
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 23, 2003 2:41=20
PM<BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF">...donations =
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www.TeenagerWithoutCash.ATM.<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 2/23/03 =
1:27:14 AM=20
Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007 writes:<BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
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size=3D2></FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>we were resting up at the Awaroa =
Lodge in=20
Abel Tasman National Park <BR><BR>We're staying in a hotel/hostel =
where you=20
stay in converted train cars. We have one all to =
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<P><FONT size=3D2>_______________________________________________<BR>Dan =
Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I=20
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:01:57 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
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Or my backyard for maple, birch, beech, pine or hemlock. Ruth
At 10:22 AM -0500 2/23/03, [log in to unmask] wrote:
Twybil,
Oh, you need some oak saplings? Let me step out into my back yard. What
would you like? Southern pine, red oak, white oak, or palmetto? Although I
don't think the palmettos will do so well.
Sign me,
High of 64
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:40:27 EST
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 3:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitely fascinating, that I
> don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rush" you see.
> Therefore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of a big mug
> of coffee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole attention to
> the discourse.
>
Ralph, what do you think?
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n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">Ah but you must understand. The BPrs are so infinitel=
y fascinating, that I don't want to miss a single post. I don't want to "rus=
h" you see. Therefore, "when I get around to it" is when I can be assured of=
a big mug of coffee, my feet well rested and time I can devote my whole att=
ention to the discourse. <BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:08:33 EST
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From: Mary Krugman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Fwd: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary/SharpMock
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:08:06 EST
Subject: Re: 1891 Handwritten New York City Diary/SharpMock
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >From: Candice Brashears
> >Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM
> >
> >Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?)
> >near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to
> >know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white
> >middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps
> >close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm
> >researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that
> >time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...
>
> Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there?
You can get Sanborns online from
<A HREF="http://edrnet.com/">http://edrnet.com/</A>
You need to set up an account, but you can get a full Sanborn series on most
properties.
Julip
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>From: Candice Brashears<BR>
>Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:33 AM<BR>
><BR>
>Speaking of Brooklyn: anyone know about Sterling (Street?) <BR>
>near front entrance (GAR Plaza) at Prospect Park? I'd like to <BR>
>know what kind of neighborhood (guess its was very white <BR>
>middleclass) and buildings (I think multistoried -perhaps <BR>
>close together) as it was around 1880-1889? The family I'm <BR>
>researching moved there from Brooklyn Heights around that <BR>
>time to give their 3 kids more outdoor space...<BR>
<BR>
Do you guys have access to Sanborn Fire Insurance maps there? </BLOCKQUOTE><=
BR>
<BR>
You can get Sanborns online from<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:53:11 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:22:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Oh, you need some oak saplings?
No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the
probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
Thanks,
Twybil
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh, you need some oak saplings?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the pr=
obably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Twybil</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:55:17 EST
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the Graveyard of
> the Atlantic.
>
>
Dan,
Yeah, I guess that's an idea.
Twyb.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE styl=
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Dan,<BR>
Yeah, I guess that's an idea. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:57:33 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the probably 200
> year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
>
Twybil,
I think you're a day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure how old the tree
was. The diameter did not seem that large. I will count the growth rings the
next time I am up there.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=
=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:53:47 PM Easter=
n Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from=
the probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Twybil,<BR>
<BR>
I think you're a day late and a dollar short. I'm not sure how old the tree=20=
was. The diameter did not seem that large. I will count the growth rings the=
next time I am up there.<BR>
<BR>
Steve</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:23:43 -0800
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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Ah, to be young and fearless again!!!!!! Zorbing sounds a blast, I never
could master skiing. I wanted to jump but my brother said I had to learn
to ski first. Much later, too late, I learned that most jumpers don't know
how to ski well at all. Most jumpers aren't female either. Ruth
At 2:40 PM -0500 2/23/03, Met History wrote:
...donations accepted at www.TeenagerWithoutCash.ATM.
In a message dated 2/23/03 1:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, YIPPee007 writes:
The last week has been quite hectic--staying in places overnight and then
off again. The last contact I made was on my birthday when we were resting
up at the Awaroa Lodge in Abel Tasman National Park after two days of sea
kayaking.
The next day we hiked out to our kayak with our only belongings in thick
plastic bags over our shoulders. We waded across the little inlet, the
water swirling around our legs so it felt like you were walking on a tight
rope.
The kayak back down the coast was much more enjoyable as we had the wind at
our backs and were able even to catch a few waves--gliding down the small
bubbling faces.
Since then it has been a bus, then the ferry over to Wellington--a great
dinner there at a place called MondoCucina--then a quick flight up to
Auckland where we departed from today in a rented car. So . . . tonight
finds me in Raglan a small surfing town on the West Coast an hour south of
Auckland. I went out for two hours this afternoon at wanganuri
beach--beautifully wide and endless with black sand and very clean breaks.
We're staying in a hotel/hostel where you stay in converted train cars. We
have one all to ourselves. It's set up on one of the high hills overlooking
the beach. Today it was gray all around except in the South West where
little whip cream clouds slowly moved across a brilliant blue sky, like a
herd of elephants. A maori missing all of his front teeth with a huge
matted black mane down six inches below his shoulders encouraged me after I
mentioned I hadn't surfed for a few months: "Na, bwai, yoo niver loose it,
yoo niver ken loose it."
I almost forgot--Bob Dylan was great last night. He even played piano! I
think it might even have been the best concert of his I've seen. He
alternated between his new stuff--all spotless and great, sweeping versions
of his country love songs--"It ain't me babe," "Tonight I'll be staying
here with you", along with "Forever Young" and "Positively 4th Street."
Tomorrow on to Waitomo for caving, then Rotorua for Zorbing [getting in a
giant plastic ball and then being rolled down a ski slope] then back up to
AKL for two final days hopefully getting out to see some of the racing.
For the record, I am now officially out of money and miss you.
--
Ruth Barton
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:17:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Workshop: Historic Wood Draft Board
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would object to this.
> They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in the Graveyard of
> the Atlantic.
>
We current neighbors of Staten Island would hope for the same thing.
Remember the New York garbage barge that wandered the 7 Seas a few years
back? Let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/23/2003 4:57:59 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I'm pretty sure that the natives of the Outer Banks would o=
bject to this. They might turn off the lighthouse and hope for a wreck in th=
e Graveyard of the Atlantic.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGRO=
UND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">=
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
We current neighbors of Staten Island would hope for the same thing. R=
emember the New York garbage barge that wandered the 7 Seas a few years back=
? Let's just say the apple didn't fall far from the tree.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:17:36 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 5:04:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> he's much better at inference than Ralph....
There's high praise if I ever heard it.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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rial" LANG=3D"0">he's much better at inference than Ralph....</BLOCKQUOTE></=
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There's high praise if I ever heard it.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:25:34 EST
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Subject: Re: NY Diary - Brooklyn
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 6:41:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ralph, what do you think?
Steve,
Actually, I started to answer this one earlier today, and decided "screw it."
I know it's hard to believe.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Actually, I started to answer this one earlier today, and decided "screw it.=
" I know it's hard to believe.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:35:53 EST
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter - and another thing
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 8:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> No Steve, I was thinking about the 2' wide 5/4 pieces of red oak from the
> probably 200 year old tree they cut down. I'll pick them up.
>
>
Twy,
Don't forget to take Staten Island with you.
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ut down. I'll pick them up.<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Twy,<BR>
<BR>
Don't forget to take Staten Island with you.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:38:07 EST
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Subject: Re: Master Peter from New Zealand (excerpted)...
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 9:09:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Most jumpers aren't female either.
The females are too smart.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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The females are too smart.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 20:47:00 -0800
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Subject: Low Flying War of the Worlds
"Actually, checking the topo, we are just a bit off west from a line
connecting Brookhaven Labs and where Flight 800...."
Ken,
Are you suggesting a new historic preservation realm - famous air spaces.
Out here in the West, historic trails are the current growth industry for
historians and consultants and adventure tourism. Researching them,
finding the trail remains,
restoring and reopening them as biking/hiking paths and linking them with
commercial tourism ventures is all the rage. What was once a dirty old
rail
road track or overgrown brushy pack horse route through a swamp is now am
picturesque historic experience.
At the coast near Vancouver, there was currently a bit of front page
controversy about
what is junk and what is an historic experience. A scuba diving holiday
group
wants to sink a large air liner as an artificial reef play place for
recreational diving. They already have sunk a big war ship and some other
stuff and are claiming worldwide status as a great place to see stuff while
diving. To some, the macabre aspect of an airliner broken up and under
water is not a happy use of the place or the object. After reading your
note, the image of not only demarked and celebrated historic flight paths
but also destruction sites comes to mind (unfortunately). What spectacular
opportunities for re-enactors. "Let's do Flight 800 next weekend."
Interesting how we (some) humans are keen to re-enact at places where people
died while at war but not places where people died while at peace.
Somehow it sort of reminds me of the high school Junior Civil Defence Rescue
Group I was part of during the atom era, where we went out on weekends with
our club's rescue van, an old blue laundry truck, and practiced retrieving
victims of an atomic blast, led by professors from the Nuclear Physics
Department at Cornell who should have known better but were probably trying
to ease their consciences. Although I liked learning the first aid and
ropework skills, I always felt very uncomfortable about the potential
massive scale of the disaster we were practicing for and the miniscule scale
and miniscule skills of our rescue group. It all seemed really silly but
was a lot of fun as we tried to learn what it was to be professionals and
how to wear hard hats.
Also, your mention of saving gas to dispel aliens and other life forms
suggests creating a collection of historic gas.
I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.
cp in clean air bc
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:12:52 -0500
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Cuyler wrote:
>>I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.<<
I heard he knows where Edison's last one is.
Or did he mean famous Old Farts?
Rudy
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:48:43 -0500
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Subject: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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I don't think I've seen the list this prolific in months. What the hell
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:56:38 EST
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In a message dated 2/23/2003 11:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I hereby nominate Ken for the first "Famous Farts" award.
>
Moved and seconded.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:56:43 -0500
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From what I have been able to pick up in the barrage, then trickles of
information, the shuttle was breaking up not long after re-entry. They
suspect that there was some damage to the wheel well covers and the front
part of the left wing. Even though the designs of the shuttle were
relatively the same, for some reason the Challenger had a different tile
configuration, a bit "rougher" and a more tedious layout than the others,
making it more vulnerable upon damage. So they think, at least
unofficially, that the foam fragments that fell off the booster rocket
during take off may have done some damage to the tiles and the wheel well
covers. And since the temp gets up to about 3000 degrees, and the
underlying aluminum melts at what 800 degrees, they didn't have a chance
even over California. So when those gauges freaked out over Texas, the heat
was in and the shuttle was breaking up. Apparently there analysis of the
damage after take off was a bit too optimistic. Another theory is all of
that space junk out there hit them on the way in. Unfortunately, flying at
Mach 12 has its inherent dangers.
Rob Cagnetta
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:36:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's
> doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with
> investigation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>John, the problem
with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's doing the
irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.</smaller></fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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In a message dated 2/23/03 8:10:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> You can get Sanborns online from
>
> <A HREF="http://edrnet.com/">http://edrnet.com/</A>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:39:12 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
> from each state no matter how large or small the population.
> I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
> capitolacracy?
> It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
> capitol the more democracy.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Popular vote etc. I
think that is why there is a senate with two reps from each state no
matter how large or small the population.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I think the main problem is
are we living in a democracy or a capitolacracy?</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>It seems to me democracy =
capitol in this country and the more capitol the more democracy.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:35:48 -0500
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ctb:
The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is no
head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time. Even upstream
at the flood control dam there is only about 3 feet of head (if that--barely
enough to run a small mill) as I recollect. The flood control project
wouldn't have changed things as it didn't affect the level of the lake as
far as I know (the water level at Cayuga Lumber woud've been pretty close to
that of the lake).
My first job out of college involved working with small hydro in New England
and the first job site I worked had a belt-driven mill that could be driven
by either a Leffel turbine (about 6-8 feet of head) or an immense (to me)
steam engine (it took up about a fifteen by thrity foot room, had about an
eight foot diameter flywheel). The company I worked for provided a new
hydro-electric turbine and made the belt system obsolete (Leffel was rude to
the owner when he visited their plant so he decided to not replace the
original mechanical turbine). The owner sold the shafts and belts but the
steam engine remained (the boiler for it was about as big as the engine room
as I recall but I think firing it up would be too dangerous).
Some of my fondest recollections of the west end of Ithaca (I grew up, until
age 11, opposite Washington Park, about six blocks east) involved visiting
the other lumber yard (Robinson's?) that was a little downstream of Cayuga
Lumber. Their mill building always seemed to be in danger of falling into
the creek. We would go here on Saturdays to pick up wood that my folks had
planed there and I can still remember a short slender guy, dressed in kakhi
work clothes, with thin, slicked back hair and glasses who always seemed to
wait on us.
Other memories involved hitching rides on the switching locomotives as they
worked rail cars around the west end. This probably only happened once or
twice but it certainly was a high point of hanging around that area. (And,
of course, putting pennies and pieces of ballast on the rails to see what
was left after the train passed.) Later in life I sometimes had the
pleasure of refueling the engines when I worked for Agway Petroleum one
winter (dropping 500 or so gallons once or twice a week just a mile or so
from our depot was considered a plum job, one the regular drivers didn't
like to give up).
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: vgernet.net [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 4:41 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
Speaking
of Festus, I remember working with him for his dad unloading bagged cement
at Cayuga Lumber. Part of that facility was an immense woodworking mill,
complete with planers, gang saws, band saws, ect , all operated by complex
leather belt and pulley system. I don't remember the power plant , but it
could have been water at one time. All gone when flood control project came
through.ctb
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "thank god i can reach you"
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This is a particulary good one. $45 million. Best, Christopher
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> ATTN: SEEKING HONEST ASSOCIATE
>
> Pardon me for contacting you through this medium and in this manner without
> any prior introduction. This is due to circumstances beyond my control. I
> had to bribe
> the prison attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from the
> computer in their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the
> eldest
> surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I am
> currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government at
> the
> Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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n. Best, Christopher <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, oh_009_ab=
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
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d to bribe<BR>
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mputer in their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the eldest <=
BR>
surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I am=20=
currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government at t=
he <BR>
Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:13:37 -0500
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There was an interesting article in the local Sunday paper talking about
"419" scams. Check out http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ Made me think
of Ms. Loi....
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Met History
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:02 PM
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Subject: "thank god i can reach you"
This is a particulary good one. $45 million. Best, Christopher
In a message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
ATTN: SEEKING HONEST ASSOCIATE
Pardon me for contacting you through this medium and in this manner
without any prior introduction. This is due to circumstances beyond my
control. I had to bribe
the prison attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from
the computer in their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the
eldest
surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I
am currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government
at the
Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=760410817-24022003>There was an interesting article in the local Sunday
paper talking about "419" scams. Check out <A
href="http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/">http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/</A>
Made me think of Ms. Loi....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=760410817-24022003>- Pam</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 12:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> "thank god i can
reach you"<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
face="Times New Roman" lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">This is a particulary good
one. $45 million. Best, Christopher <BR><BR><BR>In a
message dated 2/24/03 8:14:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0
size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE">ATTN: SEEKING HONEST ASSOCIATE <BR><BR>Pardon me for contacting
you through this medium and in this manner without any prior introduction.
This is due to circumstances beyond my control. I had to bribe<BR>the prison
attendants to secretly allow me open an email address from the computer in
their office. My name is Alhaji Mohammed Sani Abacha, the eldest
<BR>surviving son of the late Nigerian Head of State, General Sani Abacha. I
am currently in detention on the orders of the current Nigerian government
at the <BR>Kirikiri Maximum Security Prisons, Lagos
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:24:48 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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Also, your mention of saving gas to dispel aliens and other life forms
suggests creating a collection of historic gas.
Cuyler,
I appreciate the confidence but I believe Henry Ford beat us to it with the
historic gas of Thomas Edison. There may be other precedents that we are not
aware of. An online list of archived resources would make an interesting
addition to the political graveyard.
Historic contrails... works for me. It may also be a good theme for a
planetarium. Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck. I
suppose next somebody will want to designate the tree that Sonny Bono ran
into.
What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something
to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we exist
in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use our
surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the reality...
several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.
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other life forms<BR>
suggests creating a collection of historic gas.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Cuyler,<BR>
<BR>
I appreciate the confidence but I believe Henry Ford beat us to it with the=20=
historic gas of Thomas Edison. There may be other precedents that we are not=
aware of. An online list of archived resources would make an interesting ad=
dition to the political graveyard.<BR>
<BR>
Historic contrails... works for me. It may also be a good theme for a planet=
arium. Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck. I suppos=
e next somebody will want to designate the tree that Sonny Bono ran into.<BR=
>
<BR>
What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something=
to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we exi=
st in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use our=
surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the reality...=20=
several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:25:33 EST
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Or did he mean famous Old Farts?
I'm waiting for prequalification.
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I don't think I've seen the list this prolific in months. What the hell
happened to everybody???
Bad gas?
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:29:41 EST
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They are mapping the debris with GIS. When people call into the forestry
service mapping service in Texas then the pieces are plotted and somone goes
out and gets them, along with photographs of the position of the pieces. I'm
curious if, based on the disbursement of pieces, they will be able to plot a
computer simulation of the event. ][<en
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into the forestry service mapping service in Texas then the pieces are plot=
ted and somone goes out and gets them, along with photographs of the positio=
n of the pieces. I'm curious if, based on the disbursement of pieces, they w=
ill be able to plot a computer simulation of the event. ][<en</FONT></HTM=
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:32:41 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:25:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> What I would like to know is why do people re-enact? My asking has something
> to do with the philosophy of history tapes I've been listening to... we
> exist in a culture where most of us are wage earners and yet some of us use
> our surplus to re-enact the past, but the re-enactment is never the
> reality... several steps away from reality into an historical fantasy.
>
This is evidently not quite as nonsensical, and more Histo-Presto supportive,
to me than to you. The reenactors are trying to get as close to whatever
chunk of history they're obsessed with, and to recreate for themselves a
sense of "what it was like," kinda like us. Only we get paid to do it with
buildings, and they pay to dress up and be uncomfortable.
We're all nuts.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What I would like to know is wh=
y do people re-enact? My asking has something to do with the philosophy of h=
istory tapes I've been listening to... we exist in a culture where most of u=
s are wage earners and yet some of us use our surplus to re-enact the past,=20=
but the re-enactment is never the reality... several steps away from reality=
into an historical fantasy.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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This is evidently not quite as nonsensical, and more Histo-Presto supportive=
, to me than to you. The reenactors are trying to get as close to what=
ever chunk of history they're obsessed with, and to recreate for themselves=20=
a sense of "what it was like," kinda like us. Only we get paid to do i=
t with buildings, and they pay to dress up and be uncomfortable.<BR>
<BR>
We're all nuts.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:37:59 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Jim Hicks <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Trying to sound less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come up =
with a snappy response recomends you well.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy =
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's =
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with investigation.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated =
and if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be =
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my =
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. =
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is =
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Trying to sound less arrogant as =
I actuall=20
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well.</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 =
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&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a =
snappy=20
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AM, Jim=20
Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>John, the problem =
with=20
"evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's doing the =
irregularities are=20
the authorities charged with=20
investigation.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>----- Original =
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-----<BR><B>From:</B> <U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>John=20
Callan<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B> <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A><?/color></U><BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response &=20
Constitution<BR><BR>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting =
irregularities=20
should be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the=20
perpetrators should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, =
(barely and=20
only to protect my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? =
That's a=20
great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, California or New York. =
No=20
problem for you, you'll have all them politicians listening to your =
polls=20
and visiting every nook and crany of your steaming cities. And so =
damned=20
efficient too! Think of the cost savings. Don't have to pay any =
attention to=20
them folks out in the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National =
Real Estate=20
Tax...you guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with =
their=20
cute little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got =
the house=20
of representatives...enough is enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is =
a bad=20
idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The popular vote eliminates =
any=20
reason for politicians to know what is going on outside of a dozen =
most=20
populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On=20
Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>It =
would=20
help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY =
and the=20
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vote, he=20
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months=20
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were=20
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eregularities=20
which the supreams said that just this one time we're going to =
chose)and in=20
any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very =
alive in=20
the grand ole sout.<BR>jh<BR><BR>----- Original Message=20
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<U>[log in to unmask]<BR></U><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday,=20
February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response & =
Constitution<BR><BR>In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <U>[log in to unmask]</U> writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate =
them all=20
except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What=20
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:41:28 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:26:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Bad gas?
Years ago, in Joisey City, I met a group of people, including (for the first
and only time) the wife of one of my neighbors who announced that there was
"nothing as overrated as a bad f*ck, or as underrated as a good sh*t."
Shortly thereafter she ran away with my friend's (nominal) best friend, who
was among those present at the time the above announcement was made.
Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose
of the beholder.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" F=
ACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Years ago, in Joisey City, I met a group of people, including (for the first=
and only time) the wife of one of my neighbors who announced that there was=
"nothing as overrated as a bad f*ck, or as underrated as a good sh*t." =
; Shortly thereafter she ran away with my friend's (nominal) best friend, wh=
o was among those present at the time the above announcement was made.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose=
of the beholder.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:46:51 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: Bruce Marcham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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Speaking of diving on plane wrecks, last night I set up my folk's DVD player
(up until now just used for music CDs) to play DVDs on the TV. They got a
DVD from Sam Johnson (of the wax firm--his family used to live in my folks'
house and he knows them from Cornell alumni stuff) that has to do with Sam
recreating a plane his dad used to fly down to Brazil to find carnuba wax
(from which Johnson's "Car Nu" was made). Anyway in it is a scene where his
boy(s) and others dive in Papua New Guinea to try to find the wreck of his
dad's plane (sold to another company and wrecked there). The plane was
powered by twin rotary engines, high wing, a short center fuselage/hull for
landing on water, small pontoons out near the wing tips, twin booms back to
the rear control surfaces, etc. I saw a display at Oshkosh when I was there
several years ago that featured a small movie theater inside a replica
fuselage of the plane. I think the film was on Discovery or TLC some time
ago but this may have added information (I only watched short parts near the
front last night)?
Last night I also heard a tidbit that you'll get a kick out of: My mom
mentioned that they are excavating out in back of the Woolworth's store (now
the Cornell Public Library), in the parking lot, to investgate old privies
that were in back of small houses along that block of South Cayuga Street.
They're getting ready to build a parking garage there (evidently the library
or the hotel across the street needs more parking space--it's not a great
location for the downtown business district) and someone decided they needed
to learn something of that era by digging up ancient the privies that were
out back of the houses. I tried to search the past IJs but to no avail
(they don't seem to allow that access--they want to sell that service, I
think)--I understand an article appeared in the paper about two weeks ago.
Apparently digging up old privies is a valid/worthwhile archeological
practice...
Submit to BP if appropriate...
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Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]] wrote:
Obviously odd -- divers wanting to visit a faux plane wreck.
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I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way =
things are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still =
have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on =
the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I =
think your confidence will be eroded a mite.=20
Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote about something to the effect =
that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the mediocrity of the =
American public' comes into play here.
jh
----- Original Message -----=20
From: John Callan=20
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more =
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two =
reps from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: John Callan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated =
and if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be =
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my =
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, =
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them =
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany of =
your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the cost =
savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the =
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys in =
the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little 200 =
acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of =
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. =
The popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is =
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that =
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I =
vote in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case =
Demdumb won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged =
from the voting reg six months before the election and on election day =
in many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus =
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that just =
this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern =
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much =
to my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby =
electing Dubya.
Ralph
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do have=20
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that is if=20
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slant=20
on the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges =
I think=20
your confidence will be eroded a mite. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote =
about=20
something to the effect that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the=20
mediocrity of the American public' comes into play here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jh</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">John=20
Callan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
[log in to unmask]
=
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">BULLAMANKA-PINH=
[log in to unmask]</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 =
10:39=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response =
&=20
Constitution</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and =
I'm more=20
confidient in "representative democracy" than you =
are.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR>On=20
Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Popular vote etc. I =
think=20
that is why there is a senate with two reps from each state no =
matter how=20
large or small the =
population.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>I=20
think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a =
capitolacracy?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>It=20
seems to me democracy =3D capitol in this country and the more =
capitol the=20
more democracy.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param =
Arial><?smaller>jh<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
<U><?color><?param 1999,1999,FFFF>John =
Callan<?/color></U><BR><B>To:</B> <U><?color><?param =
1999,1999,FFFF>[log in to unmask]<?/color></U><BR>=
<B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq =
response &=20
Constitution<BR><BR>Jim,<BR><BR>Two seperate issues. Voting =
irregularities=20
should be investigated and if the evidence supports the charge, the=20
perpetrators should be charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, =
(barely and=20
only to protect my right to due process).<BR><BR>Popular vote? =
That's a=20
great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida, California or New York. =
No=20
problem for you, you'll have all them politicians listening to your =
polls=20
and visiting every nook and crany of your steaming cities. And so =
damned=20
efficient too! Think of the cost savings. Don't have to pay any =
attention to=20
them folks out in the wilderness. Hell! We could have a National =
Real Estate=20
Tax...you guys in the cities would like that! And your farmers with =
their=20
cute little 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got =
the house=20
of representatives...enough is enough!<BR><BR>Disenfranchisement is =
a bad=20
idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The popular vote eliminates =
any=20
reason for politicians to know what is going on outside of a dozen =
most=20
populated states. Things like that cause =
problems.<BR><BR>-jc<BR><BR><BR>On=20
Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:<BR><BR>It =
would=20
help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote in NY =
and the=20
State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb won the pop =
vote, he=20
just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from the voting reg six =
months=20
before the election and on election day in many black counties there =
were=20
road blocks leading to the polls (plus all of the other voting =
eregularities=20
which the supreams said that just this one time we're going to =
chose)and in=20
any case the "Southern Stradegy" has worked very well and is very =
alive in=20
the grand ole sout.<BR>jh<BR><BR>----- Original Message=20
-----<BR><B>From:</B> <U>Ralph Walter<BR></U><B>To:</B>=20
<U>[log in to unmask]<BR></U><B>Sent:</B> =
Wednesday,=20
February 19, 2003 8:55 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Iraq response & =
Constitution<BR><BR>In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern =
Standard=20
Time, <U>[log in to unmask]</U> writes:<BR><BR>Actually, I hate =
them all=20
except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to my =
shame.<BR><BR><BR><BR>What=20
you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20
Dubya.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
-----Original Message-----
Anyway, the point of this is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the
nose of the beholder.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=875434817-24022003>As was evidenced last night in our household. The
newest "adult" in the family decided that there wasn't enough excitement
watching the Grammy's, and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of
the silent but deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we
could find just to keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was
Wonderful.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT
size=2>-----Original Message-----<FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT
face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN
class=875434817-24022003> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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class=875434817-24022003> </SPAN><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Anyway, the point of this
is that it seems to me that bad gas is in the nose of the
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:47:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Apparently digging up old privies is a valid/worthwhile archeological
> practice...
>
Bruce,
You really never heard of this? Is there so much abovegrade up there that
you never heard of excavating (or is the ground too hard)? This is standard
archeological practice, and a rich source of historic....stuff. I have never
had the pleasure of excavating an old one, myself, although I have excavated
for a new one once (in Boy Scout camp one summer), and have used them for
Private Functions more often than I would like.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Apparently digging up old privi=
es is a valid/worthwhile archeological<BR>
practice...<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Bruce,<BR>
<BR>
You really never heard of this? Is there so much abovegrade up there t=
hat you never heard of excavating (or is the ground too hard)? This is stand=
ard archeological practice, and a rich source of historic....stuff. I=20=
have never had the pleasure of excavating an old one, myself, although I hav=
e excavated for a new one once (in Boy Scout camp one summer), and have used=
them for Private Functions more often than I would like.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:49:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way things
> are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still have yours-
> maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on the current
> state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I think your
> confidence will be eroded a mite.
Jim,
My confidence is somewhat unsteady at the moment (and was more so after the
2000 election, too), but like being alive, our version of representative
democracy is better than the alternatives.
Which is not to say that the Enron bigshots and their cohorts elsewhere
shouldn't be boiled in oil.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think most of you middle clas=
s whites do have confidence in the way things are playing out at the moment=20=
(of course that is if you still have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron empl=
oyees to get their slant on the current state of "r d") but if you look a li=
ttle past your edges I think your confidence will be eroded a mite. </BLOCKQ=
UOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jim,<BR>
<BR>
My confidence is somewhat unsteady at the moment (and was more so after the=20=
2000 election, too), but like being alive, our version of representative dem=
ocracy is better than the alternatives. <BR>
<BR>
Which is not to say that the Enron bigshots and their cohorts elsewhere shou=
ldn't be boiled in oil. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:47:31 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
> family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
> and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
> deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
> keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
>
Pam,
Which did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of the old adage,
"He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah, nyah,
nyah, nyah, nyah.
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effect
of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebody else
can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">As was evidenced last night in our household. Th=
e newest "adult" in the family decided that there wasn't enough excitement w=
atching the Grammy's, and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one=20=
of the silent but deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle=
we could find just to keep our eyes from watering. He thought the sce=
nt was Wonderful.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
<U>Which</U> did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of th=
e old adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a Sh=
e? Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR>
<BR>
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effec=
t of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebo=
dy else can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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I venture to think that in future the Czechoslovak State cannot be maintained
as an independent entity. You will find that in a period of time which may be
measured by years, but may be measured only by months, Czechoslovakia will be
engulfed in the Nazi regime. Perhaps they may join it in despair or in
revenge. At any rate, that story is over and told. But we cannot consider the
abandonment and ruin of Czechoslovakia in the light only of what happened
only last month. It is the most grievous consequence which we have yet
experienced of what we have done and of what we have left undone in the last
five years-five years of futile good intention, five years of eager search
for the line of least resistance, five years of uninterrupted retreat of
British power, five years of neglect of our air defences. Those are the
features which I stand here to declare and which marked an improvident
stewardship for which Great Britain and France have dearly to pay. We have
been reduced in those five years from a position of security so overwhelming
and so unchallengeable that we never cared to think about it. We have been
reduced from a position where the very word "war" was considered one which
would be used only by persons qualifying for a lunatic asylum. We have been
reduced from a position of safety and power--power to do good, power to be
generous to a beaten foe, power to make terms with Germany, power to give her
proper redress for her grievances, power to stop her arming if we chose,
power to take any step in strength or mercy or justice which we thought
right-reduced in five years from a position safe and unchallenged to where we
stand now....
What will be the position, I want to know, of France and England this year
and the year afterwards? What will be the position of that Western front of
which we are in full authority the guarantors? The German army at the present
time is more numerous than that of France, though not nearly so matured or
perfected. Next year it will grow much larger, and its maturity will be more
complete. Relieved from all anxiety in the East, and having secured resources
which will greatly diminish, if not entirely remove, the deterrent of a naval
blockade, the rulers of Nazi Germany will have a free choice open to them in
what direction they will turn their eyes. If the Nazi dictator should choose
to look westward, as he may, bitterly will France and England regret the loss
of that fine army of ancient Bohemia which Was estimated last week to require
not fewer than 30 German divisions for its destruction.
Can we blind ourselves to the great change which has taken place in the
military situation, and to the dangers we have to meet?.
This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the
first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year
unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise
again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.
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<BR>
<BR>I venture to think that in future the Czechoslovak State cannot be maint=
ained as an independent entity. You will find that in a period of time which=
may be measured by years, but may be measured only by months, Czechoslovaki=
a will be engulfed in the Nazi regime. Perhaps they may join it in despair o=
r in revenge. At any rate, that story is over and told. But we cannot consid=
er the abandonment and ruin of Czechoslovakia in the light only of what happ=
ened only last month. It is the most grievous consequence which we have yet=20=
experienced of what we have done and of what we have left undone in the last=
five years-five years of futile good intention, five years of eager search=20=
for the line of least resistance, five years of uninterrupted retreat of Bri=
tish power, five years of neglect of our air defences. Those are the feature=
s which I stand here to declare and which marked an improvident stewardship=20=
for which Great Britain and France have dearly to pay. We have been reduced=20=
in those five years from a position of security so overwhelming and so uncha=
llengeable that we never cared to think about it. We have been reduced from=20=
a position where the very word "war" was considered one which would be used=20=
only by persons qualifying for a lunatic asylum. We have been reduced from a=
position of safety and power--power to do good, power to be generous to a b=
eaten foe, power to make terms with Germany, power to give her proper redres=
s for her grievances, power to stop her arming if we chose, power to take an=
y step in strength or mercy or justice which we thought right-reduced in fiv=
e years from a position safe and unchallenged to where we stand now....
<BR>
<BR>What will be the position, I want to know, of France and England this ye=
ar and the year afterwards? What will be the position of that Western front=20=
of which we are in full authority the guarantors? The German army at the pre=
sent time is more numerous than that of France, though not nearly so matured=
or perfected. Next year it will grow much larger, and its maturity will be=20=
more complete. Relieved from all anxiety in the East, and having secured res=
ources which will greatly diminish, if not entirely remove, the deterrent of=
a naval blockade, the rulers of Nazi Germany will have a free choice open t=
o them in what direction they will turn their eyes. If the Nazi dictator sho=
uld choose to look westward, as he may, bitterly will France and England reg=
ret the loss of that fine army of ancient Bohemia which Was estimated last w=
eek to require not fewer than 30 German divisions for its destruction.
<BR>Can we blind ourselves to the great change which has taken place in the=20=
military situation, and to the dangers we have to meet?.
<BR>
<BR>This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip,=
the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by y=
ear unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we aris=
e again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:43:56 EST
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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What a great man.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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<BR>
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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This is only the beginning of the reckoning.
Sharpshooter: Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if
Bush were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled
by dull apprentices the result is usually some nasty and unexpected cuts.
Standing up with a bull horn at ground zero is one thing, having and showing
strategic intelligence is another. It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our
leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infomercial. ][<
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sh were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled b=
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
In a message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
As was evidenced last night in our household. The newest "adult" in the
family decided that there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's,
and therefore, a little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but
deadly variety. We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to
keep our eyes from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.
Pam,
Which did he think was wonderful? Permit me to remind you of the old
adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah,
nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.
Somebody should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known
effect of the manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But
somebody else can propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=825044722-24022003>Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that
remark....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 1:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Must have had
bad weather this weekend!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a
message dated 2/24/2003 12:51:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"
TYPE="CITE"></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" lang=0 size=2
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" FAMILY="SCRIPT">As was evidenced last
night in our household. The newest "adult" in the family decided that
there wasn't enough excitement watching the Grammy's, and therefore, a
little Odor du jour was needed - one of the silent but deadly variety.
We promptly lit the smelliest candle we could find just to keep our eyes
from watering. He thought the scent was Wonderful.</FONT><FONT
color=#000000 face=Arial lang=0 size=3 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial
lang=0 size=2 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,<BR><BR><U>Which</U> did he think was wonderful?
Permit me to remind you of the old adage, "He who smelt it, dealt it."
Or in this case, was it a She? Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR><BR>Somebody
should do a study to figure out the reason for the well-known effect of the
manufacturer's appreciation of freshly cut cheese. But somebody else can
propose it to the National Academy of Sciences. Not me. <BR><BR>Ralph</FONT>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:52:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:41:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our leading political manager never
> gets beyond the style of an infomercial.
Ken,
I'm sory, but I believe you are mistaken. He swept past the style and onto
the content of an infomercial. And that's with speechwriting help.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It is worrisome when the rhetor=
ic of our leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infome=
rcial. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
IZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ken,<BR>
<BR>
I'm sory, but I believe you are mistaken. He swept past the style and onto t=
he content of an infomercial. And that's with speechwriting help.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
>
Pam,
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph.
Any way you want to take that is fine.
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE=
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0p=
x; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Pam,<BR>
<BR>
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph. <BR>
<BR>
Any way you want to take that is fine. <BR>
<BR>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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writes:
> Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if Bush were ever
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andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: This was their finest hour ...
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AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein
challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised debate
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: This was their finest hour ...
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In a message dated 2/24/2003 9:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein
> challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised debate
> ...
Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them has
better command of the English language.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">AOL News: In an interview=
with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam Hussein challenged President Bush on Mon=
day to an internationally televised debate ...</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000=
" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"=
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Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them has bett=
er command of the English language.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:51:08 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
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Thank you.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> =A0Trying to sound less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come =
up=20
> with a snappy response recomends you well.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy=20
> come-back.
>
> -jc
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's=20=
> doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with=20
> investigation.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and=20=
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be=20
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my=20=
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,=20
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them=20
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany=20=
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the=20
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the=20=
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys=20=
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little=20=
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of=20
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The=20=
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is=20
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that=20
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote=20=
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb=20=
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from=20
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in=20=
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus=20=
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that=20
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern=20=
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > =
sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to=20=
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing=20=
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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Thank you.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>=A0Trying to sound
less arrogant as I actuall am, that you can't come up with a snappy
response recomends you well.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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<bold>From:</bold> <underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>John
Callan</color></underline>
<bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU</color></underline>
<bold>Sent:</bold> Monday, February 24, 2003 10:36 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
I have to agree that that is a problem. I don't have a snappy
come-back.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
John, the problem with "evidence" is, who's collecting it. The one's
doing the irregularities are the authorities charged with
investigation.
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>John Callan
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
=
<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS@MAELSTR=
OM.STJOHNS.EDU
</color></underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37
AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
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<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
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<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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I remain more confident in the American People than you or HL,
apparently.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
> I think most of you middle class whites do have confidence in the way
> things are playing out at the moment (of course that is if you still
> have yours- maybe talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant
> on the current state of "r d") but if you look a little past your
> edges I think your confidence will be eroded a mite.
> Maybe not; I think the H L Menkin quote about something to the effect
> that 'no-one ever went broke overestimating the mediocrity of the
> American public' comes into play here.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
> confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
>
> -jc
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
> from each state no matter how large or small the population.
> I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
> capitolacracy?
> It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
> capitol the more democracy.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Callan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> Jim,
>
> Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
> if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
> charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
> right to due process).
>
> Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
> California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
> politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
> of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
> cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
> wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
> in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
> 200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
> representatives...enough is enough!
>
> Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
> popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
> going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
> cause problems.
>
> -jc
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
>
> It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
> in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
> won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
> the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
> many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
> all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
> just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
> Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole > sout.
> jh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph Walter
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Iraq response & Constitution
>
> In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
> my shame.
>
>
>
> What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
> Dubya.
>
> Ralph
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I remain more confident in the American People than you or HL,
apparently.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I think most of you
middle class whites do have confidence in the way things are playing
out at the moment (of course that is if you still have yours- maybe
talk to some ex Enron employees to get their slant on the current
state of "r d") but if you look a little past your edges I think your
confidence will be eroded a mite.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Maybe not; I think the H L
Menkin quote about something to the effect that 'no-one ever went
broke overestimating the mediocrity of the American public' comes into
play here.</smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>jh</smaller></fontfamily>
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Callan</color></underline>
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<underline><color><param>1999,1999,FFFF</param>[log in to unmask]</color></underline>
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I'm just not as discouraged as you appear to be, and I'm more
confidient in "representative democracy" than you are.
-jc
On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
Popular vote etc. I think that is why there is a senate with two reps
from each state no matter how large or small the population.
I think the main problem is are we living in a democracy or a
capitolacracy?
It seems to me democracy = capitol in this country and the more
capitol the more democracy.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>John Callan
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Friday, February 21, 2003 8:37 AM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
Jim,
Two seperate issues. Voting irregularities should be investigated and
if the evidence supports the charge, the perpetrators should be
charged. Even Jeb deserves due process, (barely and only to protect my
right to due process).
Popular vote? That's a great idea. If you are from Texas, Florida,
California or New York. No problem for you, you'll have all them
politicians listening to your polls and visiting every nook and crany
of your steaming cities. And so damned efficient too! Think of the
cost savings. Don't have to pay any attention to them folks out in the
wilderness. Hell! We could have a National Real Estate Tax...you guys
in the cities would like that! And your farmers with their cute little
200 acre plots would be competitive again! You've got the house of
representatives...enough is enough!
Disenfranchisement is a bad idea, doesn't matter where it happens. The
popular vote eliminates any reason for politicians to know what is
going on outside of a dozen most populated states. Things like that
cause problems.
-jc
On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:02 AM, Jim Hicks wrote:
It would help if you were able to add better than I can spell. I vote
in NY and the State was carried by the Dem dummy. In any case Demdumb
won the pop vote, he just lost in Fla where blacks were purged from
the voting reg six months before the election and on election day in
many black counties there were road blocks leading to the polls (plus
all of the other voting eregularities which the supreams said that
just this one time we're going to chose)and in any case the "Southern
Stradegy" has worked very well and is very alive in the grand ole sout.
jh
----- Original Message -----
<bold>From:</bold> <underline>Ralph Walter
</underline><bold>To:</bold>
<underline>[log in to unmask]
</underline><bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, February 19, 2003 8:55 PM
<bold>Subject:</bold> Re: Iraq response & Constitution
In a message dated 2/19/2003 6:15:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<underline>[log in to unmask]</underline> writes:
Actually, I hate them all except maybe Nader. I'm a reg Dummy much to
my shame.
What you SHOULD be ashamed of is supporting Nader and thereby electing
Dubya.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:13:18 -0600
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Well, they'd both be armed with gas.
-jc
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:24 PM, Met History wrote:
> AOL News:=A0 In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam =
Hussein=20
> challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally televised=20
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Well, they'd both be armed with gas.
-jc
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Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who worked
in some of them. Ruth
At 11:35 AM -0500 2/24/03, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>ctb:
>
>My first job out of college involved working with small hydro in New England
>and the first job site I worked had a belt-driven mill that could be driven
>by either a Leffel turbine (about 6-8 feet of head) or an immense (to me)
>steam engine (it took up about a fifteen by thrity foot room, had about an
>eight foot diameter flywheel). The company I worked for provided a new
>hydro-electric turbine and made the belt system obsolete (Leffel was rude to
>the owner when he visited their plant so he decided to not replace the
>original mechanical turbine). The owner sold the shafts and belts but the
>steam engine remained (the boiler for it was about as big as the engine room
>as I recall but I think firing it up would be too dangerous).
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On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sampled them, are full of
learned discourse) a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia
was shot down by .... aliens. Reading backwards over many, many messages,
it appears to me that the controversy was started by someone who made a joke,
which was then misinterpreted.
Yr friend, They Were Expendable
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r sampled them, are full of learned discourse) a controversy is underway now=
about whether the Columbia was shot down by .... aliens. Readin=
g backwards over many, many messages, it appears to me that the controversy=20=
was started by someone who made a joke, which was then misinterpreted.<BR>
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,
10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup"
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons, 10.5.1938 - "a =
bitter cup"
What a great man.
Ralph=20
Actually W.C. was a great kid who apparently never grew up verbally. A =
few years ago, I curated an exhibit of Victorian Toy Theatres, the =
miniature paper and wood table-model theatres for which many famous =
plays were written or condensed for use by the children and the =
childlike. During Victorian times, especially in England, they were =
the popular historic equivalent of TV today, - a box on a table with =
dramatic action happening inside for the amusement of people gathered =
around watching in the living room after supper. Anyway, Winny =
Churchill was a extremely avid toy theatre aficionado as a youth, and =
when you read the play scripts published for those plays that he =
performed, you will find phrase after phrase of famous lines used in his =
public speeches during his famous political career. It is easy to =
document. I guess it was just another example of the old English adage =
that all the world is a stage. Once you read the old plays, his most =
famous speeches begin to sound trite, just simple recitations of =
exciting old melodramas.
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theatres for=20
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on a table with dramatic action happening inside for the amusement of =
people=20
gathered around watching in the living room after =
supper. =20
Anyway, Winny Churchill was a extremely avid toy theatre aficionado as a =
youth,=20
and when you read the play scripts published for those plays that he =
performed,=20
you will find phrase after phrase of famous lines used in his =
public=20
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document. I guess it was just another example of the old =
English=20
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plays,=20
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> The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is
no
> head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time.
I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
Hotel and across from Zinks. Was that Aurora Street? First Street
crossing State Street when you arrived downtown from East Hill. I thought
the wood shop was run by water power from the creek, a turbine beneath the
building, and it was magical. I remember the lumber yard moving down to
the other end of town and I missed the wonderful magic of the belts and
pulleys in the new place that was all clean and new and dull. The woodwork
shop at the old place beside the creek (was that Fall Creek?) had windows
all along the creekside to bathe the shop with natural light, and I remember
as a young child, looking down from them at the raging creek roaring and
boiling down the channelled creekway during a Spring flood just below the
open windows.
cp reminiscing in bc
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> In a message dated 2/24/2003 9:24:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > AOL News: In an interview with CBS anchor Dan Rather, Saddam
Hussein
> > challenged President Bush on Monday to an internationally
televised debate
> > ...
>
> Forget the debate. But it would be interesting to see which of them
has
> better command of the English language.
>
> Ralph
>
>
Forget the language. Let's see 'em go 10 rounds with Tonya Harding as
referee.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
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Ralph -
More power to the woman - she has to live with your remarks more than any of
us do!
- Pam
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ralph Walter
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
In a message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Thanks, Ralph, I smell like that remark....
Pam,
If you think my remarks stink, well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph.
Any way you want to take that is fine.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><SPAN
class=930283913-25022003>More power to the woman - she has to live with your
remarks more than any of us do!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=930283913-25022003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ralph
Walter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 5:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Must have had
bad weather this weekend!!<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
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message dated 2/24/2003 5:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<BLOCKQUOTE
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Pam,<BR><BR>If you think my remarks stink,
well, you should talk to Mrs. Ralph. <BR><BR>Any way you want to take that is
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Keep ftringing them along, Chrif.
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:13 AM
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Date: 2/25/03 8:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Dear Mr. Christopher Gray,
Thanks very much for your response which vital point has been noted.
Be informed that for your co-operation, you will be entitted to 30% of
the total money involved. So get back to me immediately and give me your
bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. For easy communication.
Best Regards John Gbemiga
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> "Let us not speak foul in
folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Met
History<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> First Nigerian
response I have ever received...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Subj:
<B>Urgent Attention </B><BR>Date: 2/25/03 8:45:54 AM Eastern Standard Time
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<BR><BR>Dear Mr. Christopher Gray,<BR>Thanks very much for
your response which vital point has been noted. Be
informed that for your co-operation, you will be entitted to
30% of the total money involved. So get back to me immediately and give
me your bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. For
easy communication.<BR><BR>Best Regards John
Gbemiga<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>How can you fail to be moved and reassured by eloquence like this:</FONT></DIV>
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<P>"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself."—George W. Bush, Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003</P>
<P>Lisa</P></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 2/24/2003 12:40:42 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Winston Churchill, House of Commons,10.5.1938 - "a bitter cup</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Times New Roman" size=2 FAMILY="SERIF">This is only the beginning of the reckoning. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Sharpshooter: Churchill's comments would be more reassuring at present if Bush were ever once eloquent. The worry is that when sharp tools are handled by dull apprentices the result is usually some nasty and unexpected cuts. Standing up with a bull horn at ground zero is one thing, having and showing strategic intelligence is another. It is worrisome when the rhetoric of our leading political manager never gets beyond the style of an infomercial. ][<en</FONT> </FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:54:54 EST
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Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven face may be the sign of a happy and healthy
man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms
and are more likely to suffer a stroke than stubble-free men. British
researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20
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So much for the legend of Samson ey?
Subject: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
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healthy man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have
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men. British researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:30:31 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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>>We're all nuts.
Ralph<<
Kinda sounds like this whole thing is a histo-presto shell
game.
Rudy (sorry)
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class=3DSpellE>Kinda</span> sounds like this whole thing is a <span =
class=3DSpellE>histo</span>-presto
shell game.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>Rudy
(sorry)<font color=3Dnavy><span =
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Subject: Re: Shuttle Break up - X files department
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a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia was shot down by
.... aliens.
Sharpshooter: Thanks for the heads up on factional research. If it was aliens
then why did they not just swallow the pill? ][<en
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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(was that Fall Creek?)
Was it Six Mile Creek?
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Was that Aurora Street? First Street crossing State Street when you arrived
downtown from East Hill.
Aurora sounds right... and it would be Six Mile Creek.
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<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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Sharpshooter,
Hey, I'm not in favor of SH proliferating... but neither am I in favor of
promoting the dumbing down of leadership. The administration may very well be
correct in their assessment of the situation regarding Iraq, but when the
story comes out from the lips of someone who tends to border on imitating a
babbling moron I just don't think that it is either good marketing, or good
business. When I am at my worse in the afternoons and can hardly talk on the
phone without stuttering and slurring my speech I tend to stay away from
answering the phone. I don't consider that it means I have totally lost my
mind or that the fundamental reason of my actions is diminished. Then again,
I would be a fool to think that poor presentation would sell my program,
leastways not often in an optimal manner. Why Republicans should expect that
Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a manner
to convince other nations, is what I question. I think it difficult to say
that there is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld
than those of Bush. If the situation is as important as the administration
says it is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a
robe on justice is not exactly what I want to see either.
][<en
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<BR>
Hey, I'm not in favor of SH proliferating... but neither am I in favor of pr=
omoting the dumbing down of leadership. The administration may very well be=20=
correct in their assessment of the situation regarding Iraq, but when the st=
ory comes out from the lips of someone who tends to border on imitating a ba=
bbling moron I just don't think that it is either good marketing, or good bu=
siness. When I am at my worse in the afternoons and can hardly talk on the p=
hone without stuttering and slurring my speech I tend to stay away from answ=
ering the phone. I don't consider that it means I have totally lost my mind=20=
or that the fundamental reason of my actions is diminished. Then again, I wo=
uld be a fool to think that poor presentation would sell my program, leastwa=
ys not often in an optimal manner. Why Republicans should expect that Bush w=
ould present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a manner to con=
vince other nations, is what I question. I think it difficult to say that th=
ere is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld than=20=
those of Bush. If the situation is as important as the administration says i=
t is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a robe on=
justice is not exactly what I want to see either.<BR>
<BR>
][<en</FONT></HTML>
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Shuttle Break up -Catch 22
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 12:54:01 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sampled them, are full of
> learned discourse) a controversy is underway now about whether the Columbia
> was shot down by .... aliens. Reading backwards over many, many messages,
> it appears to me that the controversy was started by someone who made a
> joke, which was then misinterpreted.
Those of us old enough to remember (but not too old to be unable to remember)
might keep in mind the LePage's Glue Gun in Catch 22, which was said to be
able to glue together an entire group of planes in mid-air.
Testicle Cat
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">On the AOL chat rooms (which, if you haven't ever sam=
pled them, are full of learned discourse) a controversy is underway now abou=
t whether the Columbia was shot down by .... aliens. Reading bac=
kwards over many, many messages, it appears to me that the controversy was s=
tarted by someone who made a joke, which was then misinterpreted.</BLOCKQUOT=
E></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Those of us old enough=
to remember (but not too old to be unable to remember) might keep in mind t=
he LePage's Glue Gun in Catch 22, which was said to be able to glue together=
an entire group of planes in mid-air.<BR>
<BR>
Testicle Cat<BR>
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FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:28:34 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:05:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
> yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
> beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
> office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
> Hotel and across from Zinks.
Interesting that you guys remember seeing those things in operation. I
believe that one of the Laurel & Hardy movies shot in a lumber yard (very
possibly the Hal Roach carpentry shop which would have been built in the
lateTeens at the earliest and 20's at the latest) had a belt-driven system,
but I never saw any myself in LA in the 50's, and never saw one for real
until I saw the Edison Lavatory in the 70's. I guess the point of this is
that the belts would appear to have been in fairly common use at least until
the 30's.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I recall going to a belt and li=
neshaft driven wood working shop and lumber<BR>
yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located<BR>
beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF<BR>
office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca<B=
R>
Hotel and across from Zinks. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Interesting that you guys remember seeing those things in operation. I=
believe that one of the Laurel & Hardy movies shot in a lumber yard (ve=
ry possibly the Hal Roach carpentry shop which would have been built in the=20=
lateTeens at the earliest and 20's at the latest) had a belt-driven system,=20=
but I never saw any myself in LA in the 50's, and never saw one for real unt=
il I saw the Edison Lavatory in the 70's. I guess the point of this is=
that the belts would appear to have been in fairly common use at least unti=
l the 30's.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:33:54 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Must have had bad weather this weekend!!
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:40:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph -
>
> More power to the woman - she has to live with your remarks more than any
> of us do!
>
> - Pam
>
Pam,
Actually Mrs. Ralph often complains about how I don't talk at home, and
spend too much time with the Pinheads. I suspect this is a common state of
affairs among husbands and wives.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:40:13 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comi=
c Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Ralph -</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGR=
OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"=
><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">More power to the woman=
- she has to live with your remarks more than any of us do!</FONT><FONT CO=
LOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSS=
ERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">- Pam</FONT><FONT COLO=
R=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSER=
IF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Actually Mrs. Ralph often complains about how I don't talk at home, an=
d spend too much time with the Pinheads. I suspect this is a common st=
ate of affairs among husbands and wives. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:37:52 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So get back to me immediately and give me your bank particulars, phone and
> fax numbers. For easy communication.
>
Chris,
It must be legit. He didn't ask for your PIN number.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:46 AM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So get back to me immediately a=
nd give me your bank particulars, phone and fax numbers. F=
or easy communication.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Chris,<BR>
<BR>
It must be legit. He didn't ask for your PIN number.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:50:07 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:55:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven face may be the sign of a happy and healthy
> man. A new study suggests that men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms
> and are more likely to suffer a stroke than stubble-free men. British
> researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20
> years and found their shaving habits were significantly related to their
> health in some unexpected ways.
Well, I'm not a Welshman, and never played one on TV (although I was Captain
Keller and Clarence Day Sr on the stage), but there may be something to this.
On the other hand, are we supposed to believe that all these stubble-faced
movie and music stars aren't getting any? Or at least are getting less than
they might if they looked presentable.
Then again, maybe these teen idols were clean-shaven when they began
fornicating, and when we see them on TV, have just gotten out of bed after
marathon nookathons without having had time to shave.
It's all very depressing.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Feb. 11, 2003 -- A clean-shaven=
face may be the sign of a happy and healthy man. A new study suggests that=20=
men who don't shave daily have fewer orgasms and are more likely to suffer a=
stroke than stubble-free men. British researchers followed 2,438 Welsh men=20=
between the ages of 45 and 59 over 20 years and found their shaving habits w=
ere significantly related to their health in some unexpected ways.</FONT><FO=
NT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Well, I'm not a Welshman, and never played one on TV (although I was Captain=
Keller and Clarence Day Sr on the stage), but there may be something to thi=
s.<BR>
<BR>
On the other hand, are we supposed to believe that all these stubble-faced m=
ovie and music stars aren't getting any? Or at least are getting less=20=
than they might if they looked presentable.<BR>
<BR>
Then again, maybe these teen idols were clean-shaven when they began fornica=
ting, and when we see them on TV, have just gotten out of bed after marathon=
nookathons without having had time to shave.<BR>
<BR>
It's all very depressing.<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Doesn't Ralph have a beard? Or is he not of the Welsh
persuasion?
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:30:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> So much for the legend of Samson ey?
What, are you Canadian, too? As for Samson, as I remember, it was a Woman
who betrayed him.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:30:45 AM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">So much for the legend of Samson ey?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
What, are you Canadian, too? As for Samson, as I remember, it was a Wo=
man who betrayed him. <BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Low Flying War of the Worlds
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:32:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Kinda sounds like this whole thing is a histo-presto shell game.
Rudy,
THAT sounds like facadism, which I thought was long discredited.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Kinda sounds like this whole th=
ing is a histo-presto shell game.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000=
" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"=
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Rudy,<BR>
<BR>
THAT sounds like facadism, which I thought was long discredited.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: OK, fine,
I'm voting the straight Saddam Hussein ticket next time...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 11:54:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Why Republicans should expect that Bush would present their program well, or
> carry forth arguments in a manner to convince other nations, is what I
> question. I think he is, as Reagan was far more effectively, a front-man
> for business interests. God knows for whom the Democrats are front men. I
> think it difficult to say that there is not more confidence in the
> presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld than those of Bush. I am sorry to
> admit that Cheney comes across very well, too, or at least he used to on
> the Sunday AM talk shows before they shut him up because Bush looks so
> amateurish in comparison. Doesn't anybody else remember how much better
> Cheney and Lieberman looked in the Veep Debates than Dubya and Gore looked
> in theirs? Cheney, Rummy, and Powell really give me the impression that
> they know what they're doing, and how to do it; I just don't like what they
> do (especially Cheney, who I think of as Jabba the Hutt.) I think the
> problem is that They picked a dummy as a front man and now can't be seen to
> upstage him. If the situation is as important as the administration says it
> is then they should consider their mode of presentation. Putting a robe on
> justice is not exactly what I want to see either.
>
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why Republicans should expect t=
hat Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a man=
ner to convince other nations, is what I question. <B>I think he is, as Reag=
an was far more effectively, a front-man for business interests. God k=
nows for whom the Democrats are front men. </B>I think it difficult to say t=
hat there is not more confidence in the presentations of Powell and Rumsfeld=
than those of Bush. <B>I am sorry to admit that Cheney comes across very we=
ll, too, or at least he used to on the Sunday AM talk shows before they shut=
him up because Bush looks so amateurish in comparison. Doesn't anybody else=
remember how much better Cheney and Lieberman looked in the Veep Debates th=
an Dubya and Gore looked in theirs?</B> <B>Cheney, Rummy, and Powell really=20=
give me the impression that they know what they're doing, and how to do it;=20=
I just don't like what they do (especially Cheney, who I think of as Jabba t=
he Hutt.) I think the problem is that They picked a dummy as a front m=
an and now can't be seen to upstage him. </B>If the situation is as importan=
t as the administration says it is then they should consider their mode of p=
resentation. Putting a robe on justice is not exactly what I want to s=
ee either.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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In a message dated 2/25/03 11:54:09 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Why Republicans should expect that Bush would present their program well, or
> carry forth arguments in a manner to convince other nations, is what I
>
....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
Sign me,
"In America, anyone can become president. That's one of the risks you take."
--Adlai Stevenson
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Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/03 11:54:09 AM, ARWNY@AO=
L.COM writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
ial" LANG=3D"0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why Republicans should expe=
ct that Bush would present their program well, or carry forth arguments in a=
manner to convince other nations, is what I question.</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=20=
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<BR>....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
<BR>
<BR>Sign me,
<BR>
<BR>"In America, anyone can become president. That's one of the risks you ta=
ke."
<BR> --Adlai Stevenson=20
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:57:42 EST
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.
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LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.</FONT></HT=
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:00:34 -0500
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From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:13:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Best Regards John Gbemiga
Funny,
When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
V.I.
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
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Yes, the one school buses always lose their brakes on - ran right by
Rothchild's.
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ken Follett
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: Eve & Festus
Was that Aurora Street? First Street crossing State Street when you
arrived downtown from East Hill.
Aurora sounds right... and it would be Six Mile Creek.
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Eve &
Festus<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Arial lang=0
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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>>Subject: I'm in the gutter
Dear fellow Pinheads:
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is
involved with a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have
had members of the church over the years repoint the lower sections of
the building. Man what a fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that
they need to seriously look at installing gutters along the building to
stop future deterioration of the mortar and also to stop raising
dampness which I think is contributing to their lower interior plaster
problems. Of course the latex paint that the congregation continues to
apply over the plaster to hide the water stains and deteriorating
plaster does not help either. What do you think would be compatible
guttering? Will copper or wood work?
Steve<<
Sorry for the slow response here. I've been too swamped for
anything but the occasional wittlessicism.
We are currently rebuilding an 1815 timber frame church
originally built in Oxford, NY. Overall the frame did pretty well, but
there was severe damage all along the eave lines and the chimney
flashing. Discussing this problem with Jan Lewandoski (who has been on
top of more churches than any self respecting BPer would try to count) I
came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were probably a
principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs which would
tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated
this condition and added one more dam.
My recommendation would be to consider ground level diversion first and
oversized gutters and downspouts second with snow melters along the eave
lines.
Down on, but not in, the gutter so far.
Rudy
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FAMILY=3DSCRIPT><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>>>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> I'm in the =
gutter</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Dear
fellow Pinheads:<br>
<br>
This includes Ralph by the way. I have a potential client who is =
involved with
a church project. The church dates back to 1769. They have had members =
of the
church over the years repoint the lower sections of the building. Man =
what a
fuster cluck. Anyway I have recommended that they need to seriously look =
at
installing gutters along the building to stop future deterioration of =
the
mortar and also to stop raising dampness which I think is contributing =
to their
lower interior plaster problems. Of course the latex paint that the
congregation continues to apply over the plaster to hide the water =
stains and
deteriorating plaster does not help either. What do you think would be
compatible guttering? Will copper or wood work?<br>
<br>
Steve<font color=3Dnavy><span =
style=3D'color:navy'><<</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>Sorry
for the slow response here. I’ve been too swamped for anything but =
the
occasional <span class=3DSpellE>wittlessicism</span>. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><span =
style=3D'mso-tab-count:1'>  =
; </span>We
are currently rebuilding an 1815 </span></font><st1:PersonName><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>tim</span></font></st1:PersonName><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ber
frame church originally built in =
</span></font><st1:place><st1:City><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Oxford</span></font></st1:City><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, =
</span></font><st1:State><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>NY</span></font></st1:State></st1:place><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. Overall
the frame did pretty well, but there was severe damage all along the =
eave lines
and the chimney flashing. Discussing this problem with Jan <span =
class=3DSpellE>Lewandoski</span>
(who has been on top of more churches than any self respecting <span
class=3DSpellE>BPer</span> would try to count) I came away convinced the
implimitation of modern gutters were probably a principle cause of the =
rot. The
church has wide overhangs which would tend to form ice dams. The =
addition of
gutters very likely exacerbated this condition and added one more dam. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My =
recommendation would
be to consider ground level diversion first and oversized gutters and =
downspouts
second with snow <span class=3DSpellE>melters</span> along the eave =
lines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Down on, but not =
in, the
gutter so far.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rudy<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
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color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
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Subject: Re: 10-4 on that good buddy, but remember, in the United States...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:58:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> ....we can't be too picky about our elected officials.
>
>
>
> LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.
I think we can be plenty picky. It's just not going to do any damn good.
But we still shouldn't let the bastards get us down.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times=
New Roman" LANG=3D"0">....we can't be too picky about our elected officials=
. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=
=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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LOL! Neither can we be too picky about our non-elected officials.</FONT><FON=
T COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"=
SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think we can be plenty pic=
ky. It's just not going to do any damn good. But we <U>still</U>=
shouldn't let the bastards get us down.<BR>
<BR>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
Obviously Sharpshooter did it better. Or maybe you misspelled his name.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:06:56 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: First Nigerian response I have ever received...
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Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:03 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
>
>
> Obviously Sharpshooter did it better.=A0 Or maybe you misspelled his=20=
> name.
>
> Ralph=
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Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 3:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no
response.
Obviously Sharpshooter did it better.=A0 Or maybe you misspelled his
name.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:46:06 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Old workshops
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A friend of ours has a machine shop that used to be like that. His Dad had
it and his Granddad before that, and for all I know maybe other ancestors
before him. It is a wonderful place to visit even now that Lester uses
more modern equipment. All the old stuff is still there. When I was in
high school I used to walk by there in warm weather just to see the belts
and pulleys going round and round and to hear the hypnotic slap of the
belts. I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
Ruth
At 10:57 PM -0800 2/24/03, Cuyler Page wrote:
>> The Cayuga Lumber mill couldn't have been run via water power as there is
>no
>> head available and the flow is pretty low much of the time.
>
>I recall going to a belt and lineshaft driven wood working shop and lumber
>yard in Ithaca that I thought was called Cayuga Lumber that was located
>beside the bridge over the creek just below South Hill and the old GLF
>office building site, next to the Greyhound Bus terminal behind the Ithaca
>Hotel and across from Zinks. Was that Aurora Street? First Street
>crossing State Street when you arrived downtown from East Hill. I thought
>the wood shop was run by water power from the creek, a turbine beneath the
>building, and it was magical. I remember the lumber yard moving down to
>the other end of town and I missed the wonderful magic of the belts and
>pulleys in the new place that was all clean and new and dull. The woodwork
>shop at the old place beside the creek (was that Fall Creek?) had windows
>all along the creekside to bathe the shop with natural light, and I remember
>as a young child, looking down from them at the raging creek roaring and
>boiling down the channelled creekway during a Spring flood just below the
>open windows.
>
>cp reminiscing in bc
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:18:39 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were probably a
> principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs which would tend
> to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated this
> condition and added one more dam.
Ah hah!!!
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the
first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just keep
running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't think they form dams.
Or do they?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standa=
rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080"=
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0">I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters w=
ere probably a principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs whi=
ch would tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely exacerba=
ted this condition and added one more dam. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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Ah hah!!! <BR>
<BR>
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the fi=
rst place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just keep runnin=
g off and would never get a chance to form a dam. <BR>
<BR>
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't <U>think</U> they form=
dams. Or do they?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:20:02 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Old workshops
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
>
Ruth,
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.
Ralph
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=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:11:32 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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n in there just loved the sound.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.<BR>
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
>
Thanks, John. I'm just too impatient!
V.I.
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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our instructions to reply just now.<BR>
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<BR>
Thanks, John. I'm just too impatient!<BR>
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Subject: Re: Overhang hangover
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:20:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in the
> first place
Ralphie-
Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the
roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is no
heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals begin
to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My only question is how ice dam=
s would have formed without gutters in the first place</FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
F" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
Ralphie-<BR>
<BR>
Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the=20=
roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is n=
o heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals begi=
n to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.<BR>
<BR>
V.I.</FONT></HTML>
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Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Maybe he's too busy following your instructions to reply just now.
I like that idea,and it seems to me that it would fit with the "if a tree
falls in the forest..." question.
Ralph
> ->When I told John to go fuck himself, I got no response.
>
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe he's too busy following y=
our instructions to reply just now.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000=
00" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><B>I like that idea,and it s=
eems to me that it would fit with the "if a tree falls in the forest..." que=
stion. <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:28:55 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building. If the gutter is causing the
dam, its probably mounted too high...like all the houses in my
neighborhood. Someday I'm gonna get ups some real ambition and go fix
mine...or not.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I came away convinced the implimitation of modern gutters were
> probably a principle cause of the rot. The church has wide overhangs
> which would tend to form ice dams. The addition of gutters very likely
> exacerbated this condition and added one more dam.
>
>
>
> Ah hah!!!
>
> My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in
> the first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just
> keep running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
>
> I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't think they form
> dams. Or do they?
>
> Ralph
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You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building. If the gutter is causing
the dam, its probably mounted too high...like all the houses in my
neighborhood. Someday I'm gonna get ups some real ambition and go fix
mine...or not.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 6:55:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<color><param>0000,0000,8080</param>I came away convinced the
implimitation of modern gutters were probably a principle cause of the
rot. The church has wide overhangs which would tend to form ice dams.
The addition of gutters very likely exacerbated this condition and
added one more dam.</color></smaller></fontfamily>
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>Ah
hah!!!
My only question is how ice dams would have formed without gutters in
the first place, since it seems to me that the snow and ice would just
keep running off and would never get a chance to form a dam.
I get icicles on my roof in several places, but don't
<underline>think</underline> they form dams. Or do they?
Ralph</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:32:01 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Overhang hangover
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Once the melting stuff, having been warmed by the heat escaping through the
> roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil) reaches the eave overhang, where there is
> no heat coming through the roof, it refreezes and then the cute crystals
> begin to wedge themselves under the unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.
>
Twy,
So you're telling me that even though I removed my copper gutters (and
leaders), I'm still in Deep Shit?
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Once the melting stuff, having=20=
been warmed by the heat escaping through the roof (at 1.85 per gallon of oil=
) reaches the eave overhang, where there is no heat coming through the roof,=
it refreezes and then the cute crystals begin to wedge themselves under the=
unsuspecting shingles. Dam it.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Twy,<BR>
<BR>
So you're telling me that even though I removed my copper gutters (and leade=
rs), I'm still in Deep Shit?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:33:54 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> You don't need gutters to form a damn dam. You need an upper part of
> the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
> eave will do nicely on a heated building.
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You don't need gutters to form=20=
a damn dam. You need an upper part of<BR>
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide<BR>
eave will do nicely on a heated building.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:41:52 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to=20
slink off...stage right.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> You don't need gutters to form a damn dam.=A0 You need an upper part =
of
> the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
> eave will do nicely on a heated building.
>
>
>
> Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
>
> Ralph=
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Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to
slink off...stage right.
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>You don't need gutters to form a damn dam.=A0 You
need an upper part of
the roof to warm and create run off, and a lower cooler part, an wide
eave will do nicely on a heated building.
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Noooooooooooooooooo.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:53:39 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Oh yes. I think I've just proven my gullibility again. I'm going to
> slink off...stage right.
>
> -jc
>
John,
Whaddaya mean, your gullibility? I thought it was MY turn in the barrel (or
gutter, as the case may be). Or we were both there?
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh yes. I think I've just=
proven my gullibility again. I'm going to <BR>
slink off...stage right.<BR>
<BR>
-jc<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
Whaddaya mean, <U>your</U> gullibility? I thought it was MY turn in th=
e barrel (or gutter, as the case may be). Or we were both there?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:00:45 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of=20
gutters and ice dams and then sort of remembered that you associate=20
with engineers and then figured I was being being had.
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower=20
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits.=20=
They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but=20
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance=20=
guy and you want to keep him healthy. Its nice to keep visiting=20
dignitaries, like architects dry too!
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little=20=
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof=20
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. It=20
looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its just=20=
someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably someone=20=
who got A's in design studio. (Fortunately they mostly work with=20
Dryvit now.)
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the=20
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is=20=
below freezing. Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the=20
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:53 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Oh yes.=A0 I think I've just proven my gullibility again.=A0 I'm going =
to
> slink off...stage right.
>
> -jc
>
>
>
> John,
>
> Whaddaya mean, your gullibility?=A0 I thought it was MY turn in the=20
> barrel (or gutter, as the case may be).=A0 Or we were both there?
>
> Ralph=
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I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
gutters and ice dams and then sort of remembered that you associate
with engineers and then figured I was being being had. =20
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or
soffits. They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way,
but that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the
maintenance guy and you want to keep him healthy. Its nice to keep
visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too!
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too
little slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your
roof edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge.
It looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its
just someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably
someone who got A's in design studio. (Fortunately they mostly work
with Dryvit now.)
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
below freezing. Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
-jc
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:53 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/25/2003 10:41:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Oh yes.=A0 I think I've just proven my
gullibility again.=A0 I'm going to
slink off...stage right.
-jc
John,
Whaddaya mean, <underline>your</underline> gullibility?=A0 I thought it
was MY turn in the barrel (or gutter, as the case may be).=A0 Or we were
both there?
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:49:39 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Snow on the roof is a good thing. (In the winter...you got winter in New
> Jersey?)
>
Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the
ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't more
collapses. Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof?
[ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe there was a little
something wrong with the design for that building? Christopher
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:07:35 -0500
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Met History wrote
>
> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as
> in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. I was surprised -
> lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched
> snow - that there weren't more collapses. Did other people foresee
> that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have
> the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the
> design for that building? Christopher
From the LIRR you could see that many businesses were busy getting the
snow off of the roofs @ thursday past....
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except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the ToysRUs
collapse a few days ago. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't
more collapses. Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off
the roof? [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe
there was a little something wrong with the design for that building?
Christopher</font></font></font></blockquote>
From the LIRR you could see that many businesses were busy getting the
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:09:52 -0500
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In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm still in Deep Shit?
Depends on the size of your overhang, big boy.
Twybil
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:31:34 -0600
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Snow on the roof is good. Snow loads greater than what the structure=20
was designed for is not so good. I understand that the amount of rain=20=
you received on top of the amount of snow you received was extreme, but=20=
was it beyond what could have been reasonably assumed?
I haven't had much to do with low sloped roofs...except to repair=20
them, replace them and increase their slope. If snow on a low slope=20
roof causes it to fail, it might be reasonable to question the wisdom=20
of designing such a roof in a region that receives snow...and outdoors.
As for removing snow from a roof. That's a dangerous undertaking. =20
Besides the potential for damaging people, you can damage the roof. =20
Lots of people do it...they even advertise special long handled rakes=20
for doing it. They also sell powerwashers to people who don't want to=20=
scrape before priming and painting. That don't make it smart.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:49 AM, Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Snow on the roof is a good thing. =A0(In the winter...you got winter =
in=20
> New Jersey?)
>
>
> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as=20=
> in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. =A0I was surprised -=20
> lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched=20=
> snow - that there weren't more collapses. =A0Did other people foresee=20=
> that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] =A0Or does anyone =
have=20
> the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the=20
> design for that building? =A0=A0=A0Christopher
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Snow on the roof is good. Snow loads greater than what the structure
was designed for is not so good. I understand that the amount of rain
you received on top of the amount of snow you received was extreme,
but was it beyond what could have been reasonably assumed?
I haven't had much to do with low sloped roofs...except to repair
them, replace them and increase their slope. If snow on a low slope
roof causes it to fail, it might be reasonable to question the wisdom
of designing such a roof in a region that receives snow...and outdoors.
As for removing snow from a roof. That's a dangerous undertaking.=20
Besides the potential for damaging people, you can damage the roof.=20
Lots of people do it...they even advertise special long handled rakes
for doing it. They also sell powerwashers to people who don't want to
scrape before priming and painting. That don't make it smart.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 09:49 AM, Met History wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><smaller>In a
message dated 2/26/03 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Snow on the roof is a good thing. =A0(In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as
in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. =A0I was surprised -
lightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched
snow - that there weren't more collapses. =A0Did other people foresee
that, and got the snow off the roof? [ShovelsRUs] =A0Or does anyone have
the opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the
design for that building? =A0=A0=A0Christopher
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:52:06 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:51:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Yeah, except when it's two feet of light stuff and then it rains, as in the
> ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. The Toys R US collapse was in Maryland, as
> I remember, not in Joisey. I was surprised - lightweight, long span
> construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow - that there weren't
> more collapses. Unfortunate Events Transpire, and I would agree that we
> were lucky there weren't more. Somebody's 19th/early 20th C porch roof in
> Summit apparently got overloaded and pulled away from the house: I saw it
> all distorted and then saw it no longer in place a day later. Did other
> people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof? Smart people with flat
> or near-flat roofs would do that. [ShovelsRUs] Or does anyone have the
> opinion that maybe there was a little something wrong with the design for
> that building? This is exactly why forensic investigations are necessary
> in these cases, performed by fine firms like mine or a bunch of lying
> weasels like all the rest. No doubt Mr Toys (or more precisely, their
> insuror) will claim it was a design error, although it is likely that their
> box stores are (essentially) the same everywhere. It is also possible that
> TRU has in-house archt/engrs who design this stuff, in which case the Owner
> will claim it was designed right but built improperly. The Contractor (or
> more precisely, his insuror) will no doubt claim that it was either
> designed improperly (inadequate drains, inadequate slope, inadequate
> framing, etc) , or that the Owner failed to maintain the drains in a clear
> condition and/or clean debris from the roof, or failed to make necessary
> repairs on the roof in general. It's also possible that the roof was
> overloaded by a storm heavier than that anticipated in the code. It's also
> possible that it was designed properly, that for some reason somebody
> changed the design, that the revised design was built, but that it was
> improper. All of the above is another possibility, and if there was a
> developer and/or a construction manager involved, then they will get thrown
> into the soup with everybody else who might have Done It Vertically. In
> any case, it will be the subject of much litigation. I just hope nobody was
> injured. Christopher Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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en it rains, as in the ToysRUs collapse a few days ago. <B>The Toys R US col=
lapse was in Maryland, as I remember, not in Joisey.</B> I was surprised - l=
ightweight, long span construction, suddenly loaded by rain drenched snow -=20=
that there weren't more collapses. <B>Unfortunate Events Transpire, and I wo=
uld agree that we were lucky there weren't more. Somebody's 19th/early=
20th C porch roof in Summit apparently got overloaded and pulled away from=20=
the house: I saw it all distorted and then saw it no longer in place a day l=
ater. </B> Did other people foresee that, and got the snow off the roof=
? <B>Smart people with flat or near-flat roofs would do that.</B> [ShovelsRU=
s] Or does anyone have the opinion that maybe there was a little somet=
hing wrong with the design for that building? <B>This is exactly why f=
orensic investigations are necessary in these cases, performed by fine firms=
like mine or a bunch of lying weasels like all the rest. No doubt Mr=20=
Toys (or more precisely, their insuror) will claim it was a design error, al=
though it is likely that their box stores are (essentially) the same everywh=
ere. It is also possible that TRU has in-house archt/engrs who design this s=
tuff, in which case the Owner will claim it was designed right but built imp=
roperly. The Contractor (or more precisely, his insuror) will no=
doubt claim that it was either designed improperly (inadequate drains, inad=
equate slope, inadequate framing, etc) , or that the Owner failed to maintai=
n the drains in a clear condition and/or clean debris from the roof, or fail=
ed to make necessary repairs on the roof in general. It's also possibl=
e that the roof was overloaded by a storm heavier than that anticipated in t=
he code. It's also possible that it was designed properly, that for so=
me reason somebody changed the design, that the revised design was built, bu=
t that it was improper. All of the above is another possibility, and if ther=
e was a developer and/or a construction manager involved, then they will get=
thrown into the soup with everybody else who might have Done It Vertically.=
In any case, it will be the subject of much litigation. I just hope n=
obody was injured.</B> Christopher <B>Ralph</B><BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:52:57 EST
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 12:10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Depends on the size of your overhang, big boy.
>
Thanks.
Sign me,
Tubby The Tuba
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:10:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
> gutters and ice dams I thought I was learning something, but now don't know
> whether I was being had. and then sort of remembered that you associate
> with engineers Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers and
> then figured I was being being had. Naaah. I was looking for education,
> not entertainment. For a change.
>
> Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
> siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits. I'm
> not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is whether having
> taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my reslated house in order to
> keep the ice from knocking the gutters off (as they did one year), I'm
> getting ice damming anyway in the places where there are lots of icicles.
> They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
> that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
> guy and you want to keep him healthy. Or one's spousal unit. Its nice to
> keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! Always an important
> consideration, especially in the case of highly dignified architects like
> myself.
>
> If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little
> slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
> edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. This may
> have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one year we
> had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a few places, and
> rather than paying through the nose to get them reinstalled, I decided to
> leave them off altogether once they were removed, and they are stored under
> the front porch just in case. It looks like an ice dam and it has the same
> affect, but its not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than
> sloped...probably someone
> who got A's in design studio. Fornicate them also. (Fortunately they mostly
> work with Dryvit now.) Serves them right.
>
> If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
> roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
> below freezing. The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit! And
> most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles form. Snow
on the roof is a good thing. (In the > winter...you got winter in New
> Jersey?)
Yes, we have goddam winter in New Jersey. Why do you think I spend every
winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and beaches in LA?
I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have to put up with this cold
and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter, not to mention jughandle turns
and potholes--- and have no one but myself to blame.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought I had been sucked int=
o lecturing you on the wonders of <BR>
gutters and ice dams <B>I thought I was learning something, but now don't kn=
ow whether I was being had. </B>and then sort of remembered that you associa=
te <BR>
with engineers <B>Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers </=
B>and then figured I was being being had. <B>Naaah. I was looking for=20=
education, not entertainment. For a change.</B><BR>
<BR>
Just in case. Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower <BR=
>
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or soffits. <B>I=
'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is whether having t=
aken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my reslated house in order to k=
eep the ice from knocking the gutters off (as they did one year), I'm gettin=
g ice damming anyway in the places where there are lots of icicles.</B><BR>
They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but <BR>
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance <BR>
guy and you want to keep him healthy. <B>Or one's spousal unit.</B> Its nice=
to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! <B>Always an importa=
nt consideration, especially in the case of highly dignified architect=
s like myself.</B><BR>
<BR>
If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too little <BR>
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof <BR>
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. <B>This may=20=
have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one year we h=
ad a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a few places, and=
rather than paying through the nose to get them reinstalled, I decided to l=
eave them off altogether once they were removed, and they are stored under t=
he front porch just in case. </B>It looks like an ice dam and it has the sam=
e affect, but its not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than=
sloped...probably someone <BR>
who got A's in design studio. <B>Fornicate them also.</B> (Fortunately they=20=
mostly work with Dryvit now.) <B>Serves them right.</B><BR>
<BR>
If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the <BR>
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is <BR>
below freezing. <B>The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit!=
And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles form. <=
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ughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but myself to blame. <BR>
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Ralph,
Look upstream from the icicles and see if you can figure out where the=20=
melt is happening. That may be the general area where your insulation=20=
needs to be enhanced. Or you may need some ventilation in that area.
Put your gutters back on...in the spring. The details for installation=20=
in Graphics Standards work just fine. Copper gutters don't belong=20
under your porch. Your roof isn't Cedar is it? If it is, find another=20=
use for your fancy copper gutters...or accept a shortened life span.
Sounds like a nice house.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you on the wonders of
> gutters and ice dams I thought I was learning something, but now don't=20=
> know whether I was being had. and then sort of remembered that you=20
> associate
> with engineers Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural engineers=20=
> and then figured I was being being had. Naaah.=A0 I was looking for=20
> education, not entertainment.=A0 For a change.
>
> Just in case.=A0 Gutters are for protecting your foundation and lower
> siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or=20
> soffits. I'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried about is=20=
> whether having taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of my=20
> reslated house in order to keep the ice from knocking the gutters off=20=
> (as they did one year), I'm getting ice damming anyway in the places=20=
> where there are lots of icicles.
> They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
> that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
> guy and you want to keep him healthy. Or one's spousal unit. Its nice=20=
> to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects dry too! Always an=20
> important consideration,=A0 especially in the case of highly dignified=20=
> architects like myself.
>
> If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with too =
little
> slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
> edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge. This=20=
> may have been the case in the original installation, but as I say, one=20=
> year we had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off in a=A0 few=20=
> places, and rather than paying through the nose to get them=20
> reinstalled, I decided to leave them off altogether once they were=20
> removed, and they are stored under the front porch just in case. It=20
> looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its not, its=20
> just someone deciding that level looks nicer than sloped...probably=20
> someone
> who got A's in design studio. Fornicate them also. (Fortunately they=20=
> mostly work with Dryvit now.) Serves them right.
>
> If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down the
> roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
> below freezing.=A0 The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit!=20=
> And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where icicles=20
> form.
>
> Snow on the roof is a good thing.=A0 (In the
>
> winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
>
>
> Yes, we have goddam winter in New Jersey.=A0 Why do you think I spend=20=
> every winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and=20
> beaches in LA?=A0 I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have =
to=20
> put up with this cold and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter,=20
> not to mention jughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but=20
> myself to blame.
>
> Ralph
>
>
>
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Ralph,
Look upstream from the icicles and see if you can figure out where the
melt is happening. That may be the general area where your insulation
needs to be enhanced. Or you may need some ventilation in that area.
Put your gutters back on...in the spring. The details for
installation in Graphics Standards work just fine. Copper gutters
don't belong under your porch. Your roof isn't Cedar is it? If it
is, find another use for your fancy copper gutters...or accept a
shortened life span.
Sounds like a nice house.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 10:00:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I thought I had been sucked into lecturing you
on the wonders of
gutters and ice dams <bold>I thought I was learning something, but now
don't know whether I was being had. </bold>and then sort of remembered
that you associate
with engineers <bold>Well, I work with 'em, but they're structural
engineers </bold>and then figured I was being being had. <bold>Naaah.=A0
I was looking for education, not entertainment.=A0 For a change.
</bold>Just in case.=A0 Gutters are for protecting your foundation and
lower
siding from roof run off, not for protecting the roof, evee or
soffits. <bold>I'm not worried about that stuff. What I AM worried
about is whether having taken the goddam 5 year-old copper gutters of
my reslated house in order to keep the ice from knocking the gutters
off (as they did one year), I'm getting ice damming anyway in the
places where there are lots of icicles.
</bold>They are handy for keeping rain off your head at a door way, but
that's not a preservation issue...unless the person is the maintenance
guy and you want to keep him healthy. <bold>Or one's spousal
unit.</bold> Its nice to keep visiting dignitaries, like architects
dry too! <bold>Always an important consideration,=A0 especially in the
case of highly dignified architects like myself.
</bold>If your gutters are hung too close to the roof edge and with
too little
slope, they will collect snow and ice and hold it against your roof
edge and damage the roofing and the materials at the roof edge.
<bold>This may have been the case in the original installation, but as
I say, one year we had a lot of ice which nearly tore the gutters off
in a=A0 few places, and rather than paying through the nose to get them
reinstalled, I decided to leave them off altogether once they were
removed, and they are stored under the front porch just in case.
</bold>It looks like an ice dam and it has the same affect, but its
not, its just someone deciding that level looks nicer than
sloped...probably someone
who got A's in design studio. <bold>Fornicate them also.</bold>
(Fortunately they mostly work with Dryvit now.) <bold>Serves them
right.
</bold>If you truly have ice dams, you need to find a way to cool down
the
roof so you don't get a lot of melting when the outside temperature is
below freezing.=A0 <bold>The question is whether I DO have ice dams,
dammit! And most of my roof is insulated, including the areas where
icicles form.</bold>
Snow on the roof is a good thing.=A0 (In the
winter...you got winter in New Jersey?)
=
<bold><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>=
<smaller>Yes,
we have goddam winter in New Jersey.=A0 Why do you think I spend every
winter kicking myself for ever having left the palm trees and beaches
in LA?=A0 I'm a goddam Native Californian, and shouldn't have to put up
with this cold and snow and sleet and icy road fecal matter, not to
mention jughandle turns and potholes--- and have no one but myself to
blame.
Ralph
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As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really causing the
problem, the problem is with capiallary action which is wicking water
back up under the shingles and attacking the roof sheathing, which is
why more and more "snow shield" a bitch sheet product is being installed
farther south than New England now.
the only ways around this w/ which I'm familiar are a "cold roof" and
electric heat trace cable...
in re gutters- and my yard 18" down is the most beautiful bankrun I've
seen- I believe them to be essentially as useless as chimney caps, I
refuse to get on a ladder anymore to clean out the 2nd story gutters and
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In a message dated 2/26/03 1:14:41 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The question is whether I DO have ice dams, dammit! And most of my roof is
> insulated, including the areas where icicles form.
...the amount of hot air below. Yr Obdnt Svt, Lavoisier
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> the amount of hot air below. Yr Obdnt Svt, Lavoisier
I just knew there was some connection between you and that Lavoris guy.
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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>=20
>=20
> As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really=20
> causing the problem, the problem is with capiallary action=20
> which is wicking water back up under the shingles and=20
> attacking the roof sheathing,=20
A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle
units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles as one of the
faces of the trough, the ice is the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt
3-tab shingles don't do too much better.=20
And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
valley....
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't=20
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
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On 2/24/2003 @ 8:16 PM Ruth wrote:
Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who
worked
in some of them. Ruth
>
Ruth:
I probably didn't work on the ones your relatives worked on or even know
about. My work in that field lasted from January of '81 to about December
of '82. I worked as the US technical rep for a French firm called
Leroy-Somer, a manufacturer of electric motors (and other drive components).
I was their only employee in the US and did everything from handling sales
inquiries to putting on a wet suit to assist in installing the machines (in
the water in November and December in New England I quickly learned the
value of the whole suit, regardless of how hard it was to get on).
My first project was known as the Branch River mill in Union, NH. Pretty
small, just shy of 30 kW as I recall. 6-8 feet of head. Privately owned.
An old wood shop with steam and hydro power sources. My first experience
with putting pencil to paper, having someone else say "yes that will work,"
and having it built.
The next was at the outfall of the lake featured in the movie "On Golden
Pond" and was located just upstream from Ashland, NH (the movie was filmed
in the next town upstream--the name escapes me). About 70 kW split between
two turbines. Maybe 8-10 feet of head. Run/owned by a small-town municipal
power company. New construction tacked onto an old dam.
The third one was at Old Sturbridge Village in Sturbridge, MA. It had of
the order of 70 kW split between two turbines. Low head, at most about six
feet, but decent flow (four foot diameter pipes). I understand from a water
resources friend that there have been some issues with the changes in water
flow affecting the fishing in the river or perhaps more accurately those
fishing in the river due to the sudden changes in flow and current (I forget
the name of the river). The museum there really needed the electricity as
they had all-electric heat in their "modern" building(the way the power
company sets up these deals they may not have been able to use it directly
in their museum after all but if they didn't use it someone else could've
come in and taken the water rights away from them). Another example of new
construction tacked on to an old dam.
My fourth project was way up in Milo, ME (actually only about half way up
the state but it seemed like a real long ways from Boston). It was three
250 kW machines running at about 10-15 feet of head. It was actually sold
by the "inventor" of the technology that my firm was using (he used their
induction motors as generators, some applications had planetary gear boxes
made by our firm, and added some turbine blades of his design--pretty low
tech), a sort of an in-your-face move to show us that it was easier to sell
the stuff than we were making it out to be (I guess he was complaining that
we weren't earning him the royalties he should've been getting). We just
got involved with the installation. I don't know if I ever saw that site in
operation as I left the firm as it was being completed. My main role on
that job was as chaffeur for the French technicians brought in to do some
welding and controls work (and stand around freezing in the middle of the
winter in the middle of Maine).
I wish I could've been working in the "golden age" of hydro in New England
back around the turn of the century up until about the 40's (powering local
communities and local inter-urban trams). There was bit of a gold rush in
the late 70's as people got tax incentives to bring the old dams back on
line but I got there a bit too late to get in with the big little players
(small companies that bought up the rights to the old dams and refurbished
the old equipment or installed new). At some point in the early 80's the
tax incentives went away and so did the investment money.
One odd part of the business was that if you owned a dam and didn't file the
permits to lock it up (indicating you had some intent to develop its
potential) someone could come in and take control away from you. It seemed
very un-American but I guess the idea was if you aren't going to use the
resource someone else should.
Another unfortunate aspect was the need to perform costly dam safety studies
if there was a potential for a dam blowout to flood people out downstream.
This hurt people who had a marginal project and couldn't afford a full-blown
engineering study (but a dam blowout could be catastrophic and have a
serious impact on whole communities downstream).
One of the basic rules of the game is the higher the head (the distance the
water falls) the more power you can get from a given amount of water. This
means that at a high head site you can still get a decent amount of power
(say 30 kW) with smaller pipes, smaller equipment, and therefore less money
invested. Mother Earth/home-made technology instead of the expensive
industrial technology my firm used to get the same amount of power.
Hydro is lots of fun farther up north where the rivers are smaller. Once
you get farther south in NH and VT the main rivers get so big you're into
the realm of big engineering costs, big business, and the power companies.
The power involved gets a little scary too (water, electric, and
interpersonal), kinda like the difference between working off an extension
ladder on your house or barn versus these guys talking about hanging from
swing stages on the Pan Am building. Sand Lot versus The Major Leagues.
Bruce
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And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
valley....
My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in an
area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the
house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried
all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
selling the house during the summer.
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During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of roof
missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of early
American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the subsequent rain
has had, let alone the damage to their displays from falling cut timbers and
iron connections.
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e B & O museum round house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot=20=
with a large area of roof missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a n=
ice collection of early American locomotives in there and I'm curious what e=
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especially since that damned icicle builds itself around the wire from the
pole to the house. she's lucky to still have power!! Also of a positive
note for selling in the summer is that there's a fresh coat of paint on the
place. Think we should just put a sign out front this spring for her?
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in
an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the
house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried
all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
selling the house during the summer.
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class=601154721-26022003>especially since that damned icicle builds itself
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at the corner of the unheated garage in an area where you have to walk next to
the massive icicle to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive
like Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm
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Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulated warehouse on the
other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the uninsulated side was
clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at minimum above
freezing, melted the snow.
A few years ago I was given a pitch by a fellow that was representing a laser
warning system so that warehouse managers would be able to tell if their
roofs were deflecting from snow load. I was told they were having a problem
selling the devices because property owners did NOT want to know what was
going on with their roofs because then they would not be able to collect on
insurance if there was a collapse. If they knew their roofs were deflecting,
or even suspected that their roofs would deflect and/or collapse (why would
you install a monitoring device unless you suspected a problem?) then they
would be expected to have paid out of their own pockets to make the roofs
right.
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and
worse when you have to walk around on them. In the one case the roof had
settled in at the drain as the rear wall of the building was moving out at
it's base. On the same building, concrete columns with waffle slab for the
roof, I poked my head up into a suspended ceiling and discovered one of the
columns had been cut clear through and had heavy-duty floor jacks in place.
They were sitting inside the cut, as clean as could be, to hold the top
portion of the column and the roof up. It was in an office area of the
warehouse. It was an odd thing to see. I've always been curious what it takes
for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulat=
ed warehouse on the other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the un=
insulated side was clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at m=
inimum above freezing, melted the snow.<BR>
<BR>
A few years ago I was given a pitch by a fellow that was representing a lase=
r warning system so that warehouse managers would be able to tell if their r=
oofs were deflecting from snow load. I was told they were having a problem s=
elling the devices because property owners did NOT want to know what was goi=
ng on with their roofs because then they would not be able to collect on ins=
urance if there was a collapse. If they knew their roofs were deflecting, or=
even suspected that their roofs would deflect and/or collapse (why would yo=
u install a monitoring device unless you suspected a problem?) then they wou=
ld be expected to have paid out of their own pockets to make the roofs right=
.<BR>
<BR>
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat=20=
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds=20=
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and=20=
worse when you have to walk around on them. In the one case the roof had set=
tled in at the drain as the rear wall of the building was moving out at it's=
base. On the same building, concrete columns with waffle slab for the roof,=
I poked my head up into a suspended ceiling and discovered one of the colum=
ns had been cut clear through and had heavy-duty floor jacks in place. They=20=
were sitting inside the cut, as clean as could be, to hold the top portion o=
f the column and the roof up. It was in an office area of the warehouse. It=20=
was an odd thing to see. I've always been curious what it takes for a struct=
ural engineer to come up with such a fix.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:55:31 -0500
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I saw some reports on line a few days ago, so my memory is not clear.
Basically, a number of things were damaged but the most important items
where in other buildings and not damaged. How's that for detail!
Eric Hammarberg
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Subject: B & O Roof Collapse
During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of roof
missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of early
American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the subsequent
rain has had, let alone the damage to their displays from falling cut
timbers and iron connections.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:01:11 -0600
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The water makes its way through the roofing material and sheathing and
down through the walls. If it manages to freeze inside the wall, or
otherwise pass unnoticed to finding its level, you can develop rot,
mold, varmits, all kinds of challenges. Usually the failure of plaster
or other interior finishes is the observed symptom. Vapor barriers
complicate the whole situation, either by hiding the symptoms, or
creating complications through condensation and progressively ruined
insulation.
Ice and water shield, helps, of that I have no doubt. But I choose
avoiding ice dams by keeping the roof surface cold and not allowing
snow to melt when the temperature is below freezing, and getting water
off the roof fast and routed to an appropriate place far away from
foundation walls and foot paths. (Good thing you guys can't see the
icicle on my roof, nor have the opportunity to loose your footing on
the footpath where the gutter dumps its charge.)
HOWEVER, some historic buildings just naturally have ice dams. Kind of
a design feature. The challenge is to understand how the building has
managed to survive recurrent ice dams, and not screw that up with the
introduction of modern materials and systems. Yes, I have advocated
preserving bad design details, when they are necessary to understand
the building, its construction, its constructors, or to antagonize
someone with an opposing opinion.
But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet. And Ralph should do something
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:19 PM, Becker, Dan wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.A. Drew Diaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:48 PM
>>
>>
>> As I understand the problem the Ice dam alone isn't really
>> causing the problem, the problem is with capiallary action
>> which is wicking water back up under the shingles and
>> attacking the roof sheathing,
>
> A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
> can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
> water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of
> shingle
> units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
> to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles as one of the
> faces of the trough, the ice is the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt
> 3-tab shingles don't do too much better.
>
> And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
> valley....
>
> _________________________________________________________
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> Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last one will be her
> selling the house during the summer.
Ken-
At the Arctic house with which you are familiar, I recently had an icecicle which extended from the SW corner eave to the ground, eventually approximately
20" in diameter, which encased the rear quarter of the "upstate car", so that it could not be moved. Only judicious use of an axe and several other implements of war freed the car and allowed access to the nearby cellar hatch. I managed to take a nice piece of beaded 1790's corner trim out with the axe which will require four hours of dutchman time in the Spring.
The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I feel, to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never pronounce it correctly).
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I managed to take a nice piece of beaded 1790's corner trim out with the axe
VI: I see you are working on the beaded board again. ;-) ][<en
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:29:13 -0600
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When you get your house to Charleston, the local termites will throw a
party to celebrate the arrival.
Hmm tastey Yankee building materials all softened up by ice dams!
Kinda like an iced-lumber julep.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated
>> garage in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle
>> to get into the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like
>> Ralph's leg. We have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm
>> hoping the last one will be her
>> selling the house during the summer.
>
> Ken-
>
> At the Arctic house with which you are familiar, I recently had an
> icecicle which extended from the SW corner eave to the ground,
> eventually approximately
> 20" in diameter, which encased the rear quarter of the "upstate car",
> so that it could not be moved. Only judicious use of an axe and
> several other implements of war freed the car and allowed access to
> the nearby cellar hatch. I managed to take a nice piece of beaded
> 1790's corner trim out with the axe which will require four hours of
> dutchman time in the Spring.
>
> The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I
> feel, to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they
> never pronounce it correctly).
>
> V.I.
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:20:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> A really impressive ice dam involves more than capillary action. They
> can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough
> water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle
> units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying
> to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles Yeah, well,
guess who has slate. as one of the > faces of the trough, the ice is
the other face. Can't be done. Asphalt 3-tab shingles don't do too much
better. >
> And it gets really good and deep when it happens at the bottom of a
> valley.... And guess where it tends to form on my slate roof. The
scary thing is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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olves more than capillary action. They<BR>
can form to be a significant number of inches tall, trapping enough<BR>
water behind them that it literally submerges the entire face of shingle<BR>
units, allowing water to freely flow into the structure. Imagine trying<BR>
to hold water in a v-shaped trough with slate shingles <B>Yeah, well, </BLOC=
KQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" S=
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as one of the <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px soli=
d; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">faces of the trou=
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face. Can't be done. Asphalt 3-tab shingles don't do too much better. <BLOC=
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; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
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valley.... <B>And guess where it tends to form on my slate roof. The</=
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is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZ=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:59:34 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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> sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg.
Clearly a very attractive icicle as well as large.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ive like Ralph's leg. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"=
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Clearly a very attractive icicle as well as large.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the leaky
gutter....
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Does cold weather cause a cold? Although many people are convinced that a
cold results from exposure to cold weather, or from getting chilled or
overheated, NIAID grantees have found that these conditions have little or no
effect on the development or severity of a cold. Nor is susceptibility
apparently related to factors such as exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or
adenoids. On the other hand, research suggests that psychological stress,
allergic disorders affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and
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ld results from exposure to cold weather, or from getting chilled or overhea=
ted, NIAID grantees have found that these conditions have little or no effec=
t on the development or severity of a cold. Nor is susceptibility apparently=
related to factors such as exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or adenoids.=
On the other hand, research suggests that psychological stress, allergic di=
sorders affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and menstrual cycl=
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> menstrual cycles may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to colds
I rest my case.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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pact on a person's susceptibility to colds </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=
=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI=
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I rest my case.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:12:53 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:56:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I've always been curious what it takes for a structural engineer to come up
> with such a fix.
>
Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always been curious what i=
t takes for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
fff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BR>
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Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet. And Ralph should do something
> that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
> repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
>
I quite agree. Now tell me what the hell to do.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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um...yet. And Ralph should do something<BR>
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his<BR>
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I quite agree. Now tell me what the hell to do.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:15:45 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:10 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> menstrual cycles may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to
> colds
>
>
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Ralph
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And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
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<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 6:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>menstrual cycles may have an impact on a
person's susceptibility to colds
<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>I
rest my case.
Ralph</smaller></color></fontfamily></excerpt>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:17:11 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:17:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> The real solution to ice damming and related freeze conditions is, I feel,
> to move to Savannah or Charleston(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never
> pronounce it correctly).
>
Twy,
So you get the Edison Lavatory to spring for moving Ken's mom's garage to
Beaufort, SC. And since my house doesn't have a garage, although it had a
barn until about 1950, I could use Ken's mom's garage. But I don't want to
live in SC.
Guess all the problems aren't solved after all.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The real solution to ice dammin=
g and related freeze conditions is, I feel, to move to Savannah or Charlesto=
n(ok, maybe Beaufort, but they never pronounce it correctly).<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
Twy,<BR>
<BR>
So <U>you</U> get the Edison Lavatory to spring for moving Ken's mom's garag=
e to Beaufort, SC. And since my house doesn't have a garage, although=20=
it had a barn until about 1950, I could use Ken's mom's garage. But I=20=
don't want to live in SC.<BR>
<BR>
Guess all the problems aren't solved after all.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> And lots of fluids Ralph.
>
> -jc
>
John,
Incoming or outgoing?
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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<BR>
-jc<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
John,<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:42:53 -0600
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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Locate where the snow melts.
Inspect for: adequate insulation and adequate ventilation and that the=20=
underside is cool, preferably the same temperature as the outside air.
If the insulation is disturbed, redistribute.
If there is limited outside ventilation, increase it...check your eave=20=
vents and/or gable vents, make sure they aren't painted closed, or=20
clogged with insulation or other debris.
While you are there, examine the undeside of the sheathing and=20
structure for water damage. A few stains is no big deal, but mold or=20
rot would indicate a regular leak and you need to address it.
Look for indications of past leaks. Replace insulation that has been=20
leaked on. It may only loose its efficacy when it is wet, but if you=20
have enough water to get your insulation wet, you are gonna be up there=20=
working for awhile anyway. It'll be easier to work if you remove the=20
insulation in the area you are working on.
You might want to get yourself a protometer...(I spell it wrong to=20
entertain Bryan). Use it to examine the structure of the roof and the=20=
walls. Temperature needs to be above freezing for this. Follow the=20
water.
Find the problem. Define the problem. Solve the problem. Hey, you=20
could declare it "Not a Problem". That's the easiest solution.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet.=A0 And Ralph should do =
something
> that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and =
his
> repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
>
>
>
> I quite agree.=A0 Now tell me what the hell to do.
>
> Ralph=
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Locate where the snow melts.
Inspect for: adequate insulation and adequate ventilation and that
the underside is cool, preferably the same temperature as the outside
air. =20
If the insulation is disturbed, redistribute.
If there is limited outside ventilation, increase it...check your eave
vents and/or gable vents, make sure they aren't painted closed, or
clogged with insulation or other debris.
While you are there, examine the undeside of the sheathing and
structure for water damage. A few stains is no big deal, but mold or
rot would indicate a regular leak and you need to address it.
Look for indications of past leaks. Replace insulation that has been
leaked on. It may only loose its efficacy when it is wet, but if you
have enough water to get your insulation wet, you are gonna be up
there working for awhile anyway. It'll be easier to work if you
remove the insulation in the area you are working on.
You might want to get yourself a protometer...(I spell it wrong to
entertain Bryan). Use it to examine the structure of the roof and the
walls. Temperature needs to be above freezing for this. Follow the
water.
Find the problem. Define the problem. Solve the problem. Hey, you
could declare it "Not a Problem". That's the easiest solution.
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:14 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 5:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>But Ralph's house is not a museum...yet.=A0 And
Ralph should do something
that will make his house easier to maintain when it is a museum and his
repair is a significant feature, worthy of preservation.
I quite agree.=A0 Now tell me what the hell to do.
Ralph</excerpt>=
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:44:25 -0600
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<[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under the
leaky gutter....
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Yuck!
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> And lots of fluids Ralph.
>
> -jc
>
>
> John,
>
> Incoming or outgoing?
>
> Ralph
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Yuck!
-jc
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/26/2003 6:15:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>And lots of fluids Ralph.
-jc
John,
Incoming or outgoing?
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Does cold weather cause a cold?
What causes bronchitis? I've been getting it every year. ][<en
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for a structural engineer to come up with such a fix.
Probably no engineer, but a frugal client.
I meant to say "amateur" engineer.
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>>Ken asks:
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Living in the Bronx?
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That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood
homeplace when it was time for Dad to simplify his
life...role-reversal...we quit asking him, and told him what to do.
Everything got much easier after that.
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From: Pam Stevenson
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:49 PM
especially since that damned icicle builds itself around the wire from
the pole to the house. she's lucky to still have power!! Also of a
positive note for selling in the summer is that there's a fresh coat of
paint on the place. Think we should just put a sign out front this
spring for her?
=20
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My mother has this valley problem at the corner of the unheated garage
in an area where you have to walk next to the massive icicle to get into
the house... sometimes 6' in length and massive like Ralph's leg. We
have tried all sorts of things over the years and I'm hoping the last
one will be her selling the house during the summer.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> scary thing is, there's no sign of penetration to the interior.
Not yet...
What John says: this is not one of those indecisive things to decide to
do nothing....
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> under the leaky gutter....
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> Does cold weather cause a cold?=20
Regardless of cause, this is Dr. Cold's remedy (there really is such a
guy, who has studied the mechanisms of cold virii for decades as his
research specialty; still no cure, but he promotes this method to reduce
the length and severity of symptoms):
At the first sign/suspicion of an impending cold, take the following two
over-the-counter medications in combination:
Chlorpheniramine time-release antihistamine
Ibuprofen
Something about the way the two interact (he hasn't quite figured out
why it works, just that it does) disrupts the reproduction/spreading
mechanism of the cold virii (there are numerous variations) and thus
dampens your body's immunological response to their invasion. It is very
important to get the specific antihistamine Chlorpheniramine.
Strange but true. I've done it ever since I heard about it, and it
works. My colds are very mild, and last two days at most if I catch it
early. I will say though that I'm generally not prone to colds; your
mileage may vary.
http://www.pulmonaryreviews.com/oct02/pr_oct02_cold.html
http://www.athleticnutrition.com/Article159.shtml
http://hsc.virginia.edu/newstips/Archives00/cold-rx.html
The third item mentioned in his studies, intranasal interferon, does not
yet have FDA approval. In one report I read which I can't find now, Dr.
Cold recommends just going with the two I mention; the partial therapy
was shown still to be a significant improvement over the placebo control
group.
Just thought you would like to know in case you catch a cold from ice
dam water dripping on your head, or a water-saturated snow-covered roof
collapse puts a spot of cold slush down your collar (obligatory
building-related content).
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No, no, no, I know all about making sawdust, we have a sawmill here on the
farm. This is a MACHINE shop, they do funky things with hunks of METAL.
It looks like great fun but they measure things in thousandths of an inch
and I don't get any finer than an eighth so would never do. Ruth
At 10:20 PM -0500 2/25/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 2/25/2003 10:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I have no idea what was going on in there just loved the sound.
Ruth,
They were probably making sawdust. A most enjoyable process.
Ralph
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Thanx, Dan: First and second aid, and maintaining our health, is always histo
presto relevant. Next time I think I am working up a cold I'll run to the BP
archive. ][<en
PS. As Sharpshooter got his snow storm I'm curious when we will get our
report on his shouting down the urban canyon of snow? Any word from COD on
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Bruce and Ruth I worked on the Site at old Sturbridge village in the early
80 and set up two hydro sites in Barre MA and one in Webster MA Filled
FERP's on about 50 other sites then the bottom fell out. The sites were a
lot of fun, but big money took control and most of the small operators were
forced out (Me Included)
Ken
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Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: hydro in New England
On 2/24/2003 @ 8:16 PM Ruth wrote:
Hi Bruce, Which hydro plants in New England? I had relatives who
worked
in some of them. Ruth
>
Ruth:
I probably didn't work on the ones your relatives worked on or even know
about. My work in that field lasted from January of '81 to about December
of '82. I worked as the US technical rep for a French firm called
Leroy-Somer, a manufacturer of electric motors (and other drive components).
I was their only employee in the US and did everything from handling sales
inquiries to putting on a wet suit to assist in installing the machines (in
the water in November and December in New England I quickly learned the
value of the whole suit, regardless of how hard it was to get on).
My first project was known as the Branch River mill in Union, NH. Pretty
small, just shy of 30 kW as I recall. 6-8 feet of head. Privately owned.
An old wood shop with steam and hydro power sources. My first experience
with putting pencil to paper, having someone else say "yes that will work,"
and having it built.
The next was at the outfall of the lake featured in the movie "On Golden
Pond" and was located just upstream from Ashland, NH (the movie was filmed
in the next town upstream--the name escapes me). About 70 kW split between
two turbines. Maybe 8-10 feet of head. Run/owned by a small-town municipal
power company. New construction tacked onto an old dam.
The third one was at Old Sturbridge Village in Sturbridge, MA. It had of
the order of 70 kW split between two turbines. Low head, at most about six
feet, but decent flow (four foot diameter pipes). I understand from a water
resources friend that there have been some issues with the changes in water
flow affecting the fishing in the river or perhaps more accurately those
fishing in the river due to the sudden changes in flow and current (I forget
the name of the river). The museum there really needed the electricity as
they had all-electric heat in their "modern" building(the way the power
company sets up these deals they may not have been able to use it directly
in their museum after all but if they didn't use it someone else could've
come in and taken the water rights away from them). Another example of new
construction tacked on to an old dam.
My fourth project was way up in Milo, ME (actually only about half way up
the state but it seemed like a real long ways from Boston). It was three
250 kW machines running at about 10-15 feet of head. It was actually sold
by the "inventor" of the technology that my firm was using (he used their
induction motors as generators, some applications had planetary gear boxes
made by our firm, and added some turbine blades of his design--pretty low
tech), a sort of an in-your-face move to show us that it was easier to sell
the stuff than we were making it out to be (I guess he was complaining that
we weren't earning him the royalties he should've been getting). We just
got involved with the installation. I don't know if I ever saw that site in
operation as I left the firm as it was being completed. My main role on
that job was as chaffeur for the French technicians brought in to do some
welding and controls work (and stand around freezing in the middle of the
winter in the middle of Maine).
I wish I could've been working in the "golden age" of hydro in New England
back around the turn of the century up until about the 40's (powering local
communities and local inter-urban trams). There was bit of a gold rush in
the late 70's as people got tax incentives to bring the old dams back on
line but I got there a bit too late to get in with the big little players
(small companies that bought up the rights to the old dams and refurbished
the old equipment or installed new). At some point in the early 80's the
tax incentives went away and so did the investment money.
One odd part of the business was that if you owned a dam and didn't file the
permits to lock it up (indicating you had some intent to develop its
potential) someone could come in and take control away from you. It seemed
very un-American but I guess the idea was if you aren't going to use the
resource someone else should.
Another unfortunate aspect was the need to perform costly dam safety studies
if there was a potential for a dam blowout to flood people out downstream.
This hurt people who had a marginal project and couldn't afford a full-blown
engineering study (but a dam blowout could be catastrophic and have a
serious impact on whole communities downstream).
One of the basic rules of the game is the higher the head (the distance the
water falls) the more power you can get from a given amount of water. This
means that at a high head site you can still get a decent amount of power
(say 30 kW) with smaller pipes, smaller equipment, and therefore less money
invested. Mother Earth/home-made technology instead of the expensive
industrial technology my firm used to get the same amount of power.
Hydro is lots of fun farther up north where the rivers are smaller. Once
you get farther south in NH and VT the main rivers get so big you're into
the realm of big engineering costs, big business, and the power companies.
The power involved gets a little scary too (water, electric, and
interpersonal), kinda like the difference between working off an extension
ladder on your house or barn versus these guys talking about hanging from
swing stages on the Pan Am building. Sand Lot versus The Major Leagues.
Bruce
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That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we quit
asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier after that.
I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the
resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before we take
action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want to be bossing
them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the French/Seneca, either,
my semi-paternal grandfather was working on his car and the brake let loose
and he was pinned under it for an entire day out in the yard front of their
house, with my grandmother inside the house listening to Texaco opera or
something on the radio like that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not
from the squawking music.
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I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the re=
sident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before we take=20=
action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want to be bossing=
them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the French/Seneca, either=
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e and he was pinned under it for an entire day out in the yard front of thei=
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:19:12 -0600
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It took my dad two days of sleeping and being unable to walk before he
thought that he might need some assistance. He appears to think "911"
is for people who are really in trouble, not him. Ever since Mom
caught up with the mother ship, he's had the house to himself, its
quiet. He likes that. Mom's cats seem less neurotic now too. Until
this illness I would call once a week...or he would. My sister lives
nearby and is attentive to the point where it makes me and dad
uncomfortable. She was all concerned because his doctor made a comment
about his prostate and I informed her that he would prefer that she
didn't even know he had one. But the time is coming to get him out of
that house. I've always hated that house. I told my mom that if I
inherited half the house I would take a chain saw to my half and give
it what it deserves...assuming the termites leave me anything worth
destroying. But the time is coming for him to move out. Meanwhile he
has a girlfriend...its all going to be very complicated...isn't it?
Makes me look down the road a piece and see my daughters walking in the
shoes of their mother and aunts, same shoes worn by their
grandmothers...sort of. I hope my son survives his misadventures in my
shoes.
Dad's house has an inside corner where rain water collects and finds
its way into the basement. The recent weather was so great that it
over flowed the sump. He's been battling water in the basement for a
couple of years now. Its like a hobby. He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
> That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood
> homeplace when it was time for Dad to simplify his
> life...role-reversal...we quit asking him, and told him what to do.
> Everything got much easier after that.
>
> I don't think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until
> the resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day
> before we take action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You
> don't want to be bossing them around too early. And I'm not too sure
> about the French/Seneca, either, my semi-paternal grandfather was
> working on his car and the brake let loose and he was pinned under it
> for an entire day out in the yard front of their house, with my
> grandmother inside the house listening to Texaco opera or something on
> the radio like that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not from the
> squawking music.
>
> ][<en
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It took my dad two days of sleeping and being unable to walk before he
thought that he might need some assistance. He appears to think "911"
is for people who are really in trouble, not him. Ever since Mom
caught up with the mother ship, he's had the house to himself, its
quiet. He likes that. Mom's cats seem less neurotic now too. Until
this illness I would call once a week...or he would. My sister lives
nearby and is attentive to the point where it makes me and dad
uncomfortable. She was all concerned because his doctor made a
comment about his prostate and I informed her that he would prefer
that she didn't even know he had one. But the time is coming to get
him out of that house. I've always hated that house. I told my mom
that if I inherited half the house I would take a chain saw to my half
and give it what it deserves...assuming the termites leave me anything
worth destroying. But the time is coming for him to move out.
Meanwhile he has a girlfriend...its all going to be very
complicated...isn't it?
Makes me look down the road a piece and see my daughters walking in
the shoes of their mother and aunts, same shoes worn by their
grandmothers...sort of. I hope my son survives his misadventures in
my shoes.
Dad's house has an inside corner where rain water collects and finds
its way into the basement. The recent weather was so great that it
over flowed the sump. He's been battling water in the basement for a
couple of years now. Its like a hobby. He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Ken Follett wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,FFFF</param><smaller>That's
what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we
quit asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier
after that.
</smaller></color><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param><smaller>I don't
think we are quite at that point yet... we usually wait until the
resident falls down and gets stuck behind the toilet for a day before
we take action. Scots are an independent lot, you know. You don't want
to be bossing them around too early. And I'm not too sure about the
French/Seneca, either, my semi-paternal grandfather was working on his
car and the brake let loose and he was pinned under it for an entire
day out in the yard front of their house, with my grandmother inside
the house listening to Texaco opera or something on the radio like
that. He died from dehydration & exposure, not from the squawking
music.
][<<en</smaller></color></fontfamily>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:23:49 -0500
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From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
ointment for your nose. It's used at the first sign, or after you
suspect a good likelihood of exposure (like having been any were near
][<en) of a cold. It's scary how well it works. Won't cure a whopper
though.
Rudy
Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
below 50.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:26:29 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:01:26 -0500
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Re: colds...my husband and I both got one at the same time, same
symptoms, same severity, not gone yet so still shivering. This is rare,
so we believe we were simultaneously exposed to something, and that it
can't be any of those things suggested in the research. =20
Is there a commercial name for that Chlorpheniramine time-release
antihistamine and Ibuprofen combination? Or even for just the
Chlorpheniramine? I've never heard of it, and right now I'm ready to
try anything.
Our new old house is not drafty, and it feels good to just stay home and
read email.
(Original Message: Does cold weather cause a cold? Although many people
are convinced that a cold results from exposure to cold weather, or from
getting chilled or overheated, NIAID grantees have found that these
conditions have little or no effect on the development or severity of a
cold. Nor is susceptibility apparently related to factors such as
exercise, diet, or enlarged tonsils or adenoids. On the other hand,
research suggests that psychological stress, allergic disorders
affecting the nasal passages or pharynx (throat), and menstrual cycles
may have an impact on a person's susceptibility to colds.)
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:34:28 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ilene R. Tyler
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 26 Feb 2003 to 27=20
> Feb 2003 (#2003-56)
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> Is there a commercial name for that Chlorpheniramine=20
> time-release antihistamine and Ibuprofen combination? Or even=20
> for just the Chlorpheniramine? I've never heard of it, and=20
> right now I'm ready to try anything.
...Irene doesn't change the subject line from the digest header, but
it's about the cold remedy thread.
You buy two different pills. There isn't a product that has this
combination.
Chlorpheniramine is a type of antihistamine, and that's the name of it.
Some may have a different commercial name for it, like "Clor-a-Cold" (I
made that up; maybe I shouldn't go into marketing), so just read the
boxes to find it. I think Eckerd has a house brand, and they just call
it Chlorpheniramine. Works for me, I was able to find it right away.
As for you, it's too late for this cold. You really have to do it right
at the outset of symptoms.
But it's nice to know you are here in your warm house (two places at one
time--ain't technology wonderful) reading with us today.
Good luck next cold!=20
Dan
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:48:52 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/03 7:30:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> PS. As Sharpshooter got his snow storm I'm curious when we will get our
>
Yes, got some of that, but not as strong (from this 18") as it was when we
had 30-36" a few years ago, and Madison Avenue sounded like the bottom of
Bryce Canyon.
Blizzard winds did, however, make interesting studies of blowing snow: at
the locally famous "wind tunnel" building (1970's tall tower on 89th &
Madison, which put in tank-trap like mounds to reduce the wind effects),
2-foot drifts surrouded one corner, except for a 24" sort of lane going
around, which was swept bare. A tongue of snow would be blown out onto the
pavement, then shrink back as the flakes were blown away. Reminded me of
Koyaanasquatsi (Michael, spelling on that?) Christopher
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andard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
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snow storm I'm curious when we will get our report on his shouting down the=
urban canyon of snow?</BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>Yes, got some of that, but not as strong (from this 18") as it was when=20=
we had 30-36" a few years ago, and Madison Avenue sounded like the bottom of=
Bryce Canyon.
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s), 2-foot drifts surrouded one corner, except for a 24" sort of lane going=20=
around, which was swept bare. A tongue of snow would be blown out onto=
the pavement, then shrink back as the flakes were blown away. Reminde=
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In a message dated 2/27/03 8:24:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
> success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
>
Another nutty person told me about that, and I figured she was a space alien.
If Rudy says so, guess I'll try it. Yrs. Galvanized
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at it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
<BR>success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
<BR>ointment for your nose</BLOCKQUOTE>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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he'd rather play with masonry cement in the basement.
My maternal grandfather kept walking around in their little apartment saying
the boss had gone crazy and fiddling with all the finishing nails on the trim
saying that they had been put in improperly. He walked around all day with a
nail set and a small hammer tapping on different nails. Drove my grandmother
nuts. In his career he specialized in building wood spiral staircases with
plans figures & numbers kept in his head. ][<en
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:27:22 EST
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Subject: Re: Cold Remedy
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Koyaanasquatsi
World of balance?
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:30:16 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 5:25:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I see you are working on the beaded board again
K- LOL!~ Can't get away from them.
VI
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:16:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick under
theleaky gutter....
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and then there's my favorite 2nd grade joke
What's faster hot or cold?
Well anyone can catch a cold...
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:26:21 -0500
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Subject: Favorite second grade jokes
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:33:58 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:39:39 EST
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cold Remedy
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In a message dated 2/27/03 10:29:09 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> World of balance?
I think it means "Life out of balance" - or so Philip Glass says. Saw it
performed at BAM with giant screen - astonishing. C
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:11:09 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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My SO has started using Zicam at the suggestion of her chiropractor, I
think. She seems to think it works. I might even try it if I can lose some
nose hairs (maybe they will enhance the effect by providing more surface
area?). Sounds disgusting when she dips the applicator back in the vial (I
imagine kids love the sound).
P.S. The coolest thing I remember from Amish country (Lancaster County, PA)
was a real small hydro plant that had a single rope or cable that ran across
the farm yard. It was supported on a number of loops and oscillated back
and forth as if it was transfering a rotary motion from one point to
another. For all I know it was just running one of those little wooden yard
toys but I'm thinking it went to their remote/community phone booth or some
such thing (some don't allow such things in the house but seem to allow them
out a ways, perhaps where they can be shared), maybe keeping a battery
charged up. I didn't get to dwell on it because I was (I hate to admit it)
on a bus tour...
>
From the 2 cents (or for what it's worth) gallery, we have had GREAT
success with an over the counter homeopathic called Zicam. It's a zinc
ointment for your nose. It's used at the first sign, or after you
suspect a good likelihood of exposure (like having been any were near
][<en) of a cold. It's scary how well it works. Won't cure a whopper
though.
Rudy
Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
below 50.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:16:02 -0500
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:19:58 -0500
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Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:30:37 -0500
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From: Dan Becker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
...but I'm going to subject you to MY favorite second grade joke anyway.
Hello, friends. I'm coming to you today from the B-P web interface, since
my corporate email system will not allow me to communicate with you. Here's
the last message that I tried to send, that also got blocked...but this
time I saved a text version of it before I sent it, so I could share it
with you through this most nefarious of means--
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OK, I think I've figured this one out. What was once an innocent second-
grade world [intenional use of world, not a typo of word] has now become
an "offensive term." Let's see what happens...I am going to reconstruct my
original post (the original text was deleted by the robot censor) using a
hyphen to break up what I believe infuriated a machine that cannot parse
the many many different meanings a single word can have in the English
language:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Diaz
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: That's baloney about the architect getting sick
> under theleaky gutter....
>
>
> and then there's my favorite 2nd grade joke
OK, respond with "crack-er" after each question:
"What did you have for breakfast?"
==> ***
"What did you have for lunch?"
==> ***
"What did you have for dinner?"
==> ***
"What did you do to your teacher?
==> ***
Bwaaaahahahahaha.
That one earned me a crack up side the head from the nun standing behind me
on the playground when I told it.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:38:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 7:46:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> He died from dehydration &exposure, not from the squawking music.
>
A lot of people die in operas, but Opera never killed anybody. Maybe bored
the bejesus out of them, but didn't kill 'em.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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A lot of people die in operas, but Opera never killed anybody. Maybe b=
ored the bejesus out of them, but didn't kill 'em.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:40:55 -0500
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>I'm beginning to think you're kinda cute, so maybe it IS working.
Ralph
Thanks, big guy. As a courtesy, no change orders for you.
Nick
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:40:22 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> He doesn't want to bring in a
> contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
> cement in the basement.
>
If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or playing with
masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:43:00 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Cold Remedy
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 10:14:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Reminded me of Koyaanasquatsi
Now THAT would kill you, lying under the car or not.
Ralph
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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Now THAT would kill you, lying under the car or not.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:46:07 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Favorite second grade jokes
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If two's company, and three's a crowd, what's four and five?
Nine.
Ralph
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ur and five?<BR>
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Nine.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:52:44 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "What did you do to your teacher?
>
> ==> ***
>
>
No matter what I ask, you have to answer 'Examiner."
What newspaper do you read in the morning?
Examiner.
What newspaper do you read in the afternoon?
Examiner.
What newspaper do you read in the evening?
Examiner.
What would you do if you saw Marilyn Monroe sitting on the toilet?
Examiner.
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"What did you do to your teache=
r?<BR>
<BR>
=3D=3D> ***<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
No matter what I ask, you have to answer 'Examiner."<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the morning?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the afternoon?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What newspaper do you read in the evening?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
What would you do if you saw Marilyn Monroe sitting on the toilet?<BR>
Examiner.<BR>
<BR>
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:56:21 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nick & the Tankless Water Heater
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:39:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Thanks, big guy. As a courtesy, no change orders for you.
>
So when are you coming back from Schvitzerland? We could use a few more
contractors like you. On the other hand, economically speaking, maybe you
better stay where you are.
Saw Cooper Institute again, or whatever the hell it's called, the other day.
I still think it's ugly.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:39:12 PM Eastern Stand=
ard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Thanks, big guy. As a courtesy,=
no change orders for you.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
So when are you coming back from Schvitzerland? We could use a few mor=
e contractors like you. On the other hand, economically speaking, mayb=
e you better stay where you are. <BR>
<BR>
Saw Cooper Institute again, or whatever the hell it's called, the othe=
r day. I still think it's ugly.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:15:59 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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Dan -
Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what McAfee is
barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks spewed all over the screen?
Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
- Pam
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From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:33:13 EST
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Subject: Re: Apparently juvenile jokes are offensive....
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Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk
Only two stooges as I see it, this is getting moronic.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:37:30 -0500
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Naw, that's the name of our mail server. All our servers are named after
characters from a certain quaint little show from yore where going to
Raleigh was a nite out on the big town...
Let's see, there's server Andy, and Barney, and Bertha, and Clara, and
Darlene, and Edna, and Elmo of course, Emmett, and Erma, and Ernest, and
Etbass, and Ethel, and Fergus, and Fletch, and Freddy, and Gomer, and
Goober, and Harlan, and Harvey, and Homer, and good ol' Jesse, and
there's also Mayor, and Mberry, and Mtpilot, and our server farm
wouldn't be complete without Otis, and Sams, and Skippy, and Spanky, and
Warren.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Stevenson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:16 PM
>=20
>=20
> Dan -
>=20
> Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what=20
> McAfee is barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks=20
> spewed all over the screen? Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
>=20
> - Pam
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:32:03 -0500
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Spell " I cup"
Courtsey of resident first grader Alex.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:45:00 -0500
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Subject: Re: Favorite second grade jokes
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or the IBM clocks we had @ James H Vernon
mitch wilds wrote:
> Spell " I cup"
>
> Courtsey of resident first grader Alex.
>
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> Restoration Branch
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:48:12 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
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Our servers have mundane names, like RITDEV, RITTEST, RITPROD. I liked the
days when we named one set Fred and Wilma - they worked as a pair, and the
larger one was called Fred. It was so much easier to remember which one was
which.
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Arrggggh
Naw, that's the name of our mail server. All our servers are named after
characters from a certain quaint little show from yore where going to
Raleigh was a nite out on the big town...
Let's see, there's server Andy, and Barney, and Bertha, and Clara, and
Darlene, and Edna, and Elmo of course, Emmett, and Erma, and Ernest, and
Etbass, and Ethel, and Fergus, and Fletch, and Freddy, and Gomer, and
Goober, and Harlan, and Harvey, and Homer, and good ol' Jesse, and
there's also Mayor, and Mberry, and Mtpilot, and our server farm
wouldn't be complete without Otis, and Sams, and Skippy, and Spanky, and
Warren.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pam Stevenson
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:16 PM
>
>
> Dan -
>
> Wasn't there an Elmo virus at one point? Maybe that's what
> McAfee is barfing on. Can you imagine little Elmo chunks
> spewed all over the screen? Not a pretty sight, to be sure.
>
> - Pam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Becker,
Dan
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Arrggggh
Sorry to keep bombarding you guys with messages from our corporate
censor robot, I'm trying to figure out what word in a second grade joke
would be deemed offensive enough to have it prevent me from sending it
to you for fear that you would think less of me as a human being.
I'm going to keep trying, yes I am...to send you the joke, not to have
you think less of me.
_________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir., "Help me, Mr. Wizard! I don't
Raleigh Historic want to be here anymore!"
Districts Commission - Tooter the Turtle
[log in to unmask]
919/890-3678
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:05:44 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:48 PM
>
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
>
Yeah, so what comes in today's mail? Bad timing or bad taste...
>
Subject: "When The Gays Move into Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" Diversity
Program
ATTENTION FACULTY AND STAFF!
The Office of Student Life cordially invites you to "When the Gays Move into
Mr. Roger's Neigborhood" on Wednesday March 5, 2003 at 8:00 PM in Marshall
Auditorium. All ESF and SU students, faculty and staff are invited and
encouraged to attend. This program explores the realities and human
dimensions of living in a world of heterosexual privilege. The program
features Joe Bertolino and Bil Leipold, who draw on their personal
experiences as gay fraternity men and student affairs professionals, as well
as family experiences and their own relationship, to present this difficult
topic in an informal, non-threatening way that is addressed to all
audiences. They present serious subjects in a funny, interactive and
challenging style that gets people thinking about homophobia, heterosexism,
and diversity from a new perspective.
We encourage you, and your students, to attend this important -and
entertaining! - program. This program was made possible with support from
the ESF Office Of Student Life, ESF Undergraduate Student Association,
Office of Multicultural Outreach, SU LGBT Resource Center, Office of
Residence Life and Office Of Greek Life and Experiential Learning.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:15:19 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ][<en Phollit"
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Is SU trying to infer that Mr. Rogers was gay? Maybe they hadn't heard the
news yet. Doesn't everyone listen to NPR???
-----Original Message-----
From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ][<en Phollit
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bruce
Marcham
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Arrggggh
From: Pam Stevenson Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:48 PM
>
BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
- Pam
>
Yeah, so what comes in today's mail? Bad timing or bad taste...
>
Subject: "When The Gays Move into Mr. Rogers Neighborhood" Diversity
Program
ATTENTION FACULTY AND STAFF!
The Office of Student Life cordially invites you to "When the Gays Move into
Mr. Roger's Neigborhood" on Wednesday March 5, 2003 at 8:00 PM in Marshall
Auditorium. All ESF and SU students, faculty and staff are invited and
encouraged to attend. This program explores the realities and human
dimensions of living in a world of heterosexual privilege. The program
features Joe Bertolino and Bil Leipold, who draw on their personal
experiences as gay fraternity men and student affairs professionals, as well
as family experiences and their own relationship, to present this difficult
topic in an informal, non-threatening way that is addressed to all
audiences. They present serious subjects in a funny, interactive and
challenging style that gets people thinking about homophobia, heterosexism,
and diversity from a new perspective.
We encourage you, and your students, to attend this important -and
entertaining! - program. This program was made possible with support from
the ESF Office Of Student Life, ESF Undergraduate Student Association,
Office of Multicultural Outreach, SU LGBT Resource Center, Office of
Residence Life and Office Of Greek Life and Experiential Learning.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:45:49 EST
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 2:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> BTW, did anyone hear that Mr. Rogers died this morning? No more plain white
> sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.
>
Mrs. Ralph had occasion to meet him years ago and worked on some
child-related project with him. She said he was exactly the same in real
life as on TV, one of the nicest people she'd ever met (although a little
strange by our current cynical standards), and an ordained minister.
Ralph
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rd Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ogers died this morning? No more plain white<BR>
sneakers, cardigan and King Friday XIII.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph had occasion to meet him years ago and worked on some child-relat=
ed project with him. She said he was exactly the same in real life as=20=
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:02:16 -0500
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Ken:
In looking at the design snow loads for NYS (from the building code) I see
that the highest square foot design load, not surprisingly, is upstate. 90
pounds in the Tug Hill area 80 pounds north of Amsterdam. Down your way it
is 30 pounds.
Two feet of water would be of the order of 125 pounds per square foot (62.4
pounds per cubic foot). That would be a REAL BAD THING unless the
structural engineer went pretty wild with the safety factor. It sounds like
the roof support structure was holding up worse than the roof itself.
Amazing. I think I would've tried some sort of a siphon approach until it
got down to at least one foot deep.
Roofs loaded unequally (like your shop) are a problem too. My structural
engineering friend tells me they take this into account (snow blowing over
from one side to the other, for instance) when they do a serious design but
most roofs (like my large garage where I just said something like, "yep
gimme 40 pound live load, 20 pound dead load, 10 pound bottom chord
trusses") are figured with a balanced load (maybe there is a safety factor
in there of some sort for the unequal loading).
Bruce
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From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: I'm in the gutter
Our shop is spit with office on one side and uninsulated warehouse on the
other. The office area had 5' of snow drifted and the uninsulated side was
clear of snow. The heat on the unisulated side, kept at minimum above
freezing, melted the snow.
Then there are those owners who never think to clean their drains on a flat
roof with parapets. It is no hyperbole that I have been on roofs with ponds
with 2' of standing water. It is a nervous situation when you see them, and
worse when you have to walk around on them.
][<en
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:16:39 -0500
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Subject: Koyaanisquatsi
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Koyaanisquatsi was recently released on DVD, along with Powaqqatsi ("Life in Transformation"), the second film in the trilogy. Amazon sells both as a package deal. The third film, Naqoyqatsi hasn't been released yet on DVD, but there is some interesting information at <A href="http://www.naqoy.com/naqoy/">http://www.naqoy.com/naqoy/</A>. Naqoyqatsi is interpreted as "1. A life of killing each other. 2. War as a way of life. 3. Civilized violence."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Reminds me of something Bill Russell said lately to the effect that the real reason we're waging war on Al Qaeda and Iraq is their failure to recognize the UN resolution that "q" should always be followed by "u". Must mean we're going to declare war on the Hopi next.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 2/27/2003 6:39:39 AM </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SERIF"><BR>I think it means "Life out of balance" - or so Philip Glass says. Saw it performed at BAM with giant screen - astonishing. C </FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 12:12:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Ps; if anyone wants to see a non-electric shop, come visit our Amish
> community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers
> below 50.
>
If anyone does want to come visit, the Vernacular Architecture Forum (VAF)
will be having their 2004 conference in the Lancaster area. My department has
been doing the field drawings in preparation for the conference this fall,
and it is going to be an AWESOME conference. And knowing the VAFers love of
pork products... well, think Homer Simpson in a brewery.
-Heidi
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<BR>
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n-electric shop, come visit our Amish<BR>
community. Just don't eat the food unless you have cholesterol numbers<BR>
below 50.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
If anyone does want to come visit, the Vernacular Architecture Forum (VAF) w=
ill be having their 2004 conference in the Lancaster area. My department has=
been doing the field drawings in preparation for the conference this fall,=20=
and it is going to be an AWESOME conference. And knowing the VAFers love of=20=
pork products... well, think Homer Simpson in a brewery.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:00:29 EST
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Subject: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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You think I'm joking, but I'm not. He did something individual, and
completely against the grain of our crappy, loud, commercial, gossip-focussed
culture, and did it successfully. Although his show is often lumped together
with Sesame Street, that was one show I really try to cut down on with my
kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, really just advertising with no particular
product. The same people who thought it was too slow, too saccharine for
little children are, I've always assumed, the ones who try to get them
studying for their SATs when they're in first grade, because "they've got to
get into a good college". You could segue into the Odyssey after Mr.
Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read cereal boxes. Here endeth
the lesson. Christopher
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commercial, gossip-focussed culture, and did it successfully. Although=
his show is often lumped together with Sesame Street, that was one show I r=
eally try to cut down on with my kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, real=
ly just advertising with no particular product. The same people who th=
ought it was too slow, too saccharine for little children are, I've always a=
ssumed, the ones who try to get them studying for their SATs when they're in=
first grade, because "they've got to get into a good college". =
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:42:34 -0600
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Point well taken.
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> He doesn't want to bring in a
> contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
> cement in the basement.
>
>
>
> If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or
> playing with masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
>
> Ralph
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Point well taken.
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/27/2003 8:18:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>He doesn't want to bring in a
contractor and deal with it outside...he'd rather play with masonry
cement in the basement.
If your choice was prostate cancer, bringing in a contractor, or
playing with masonry cement in the basement, which would YOU choose?
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:39:20 -0500
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on 2/27/03 9:48 AM, Ken Follett at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Bryan, I assume this is autobiography. ][<en
As I remember you are the owner of the devil duck. Oh, if that duck could
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:50:30 -0500
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on 2/27/03 4:00 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:
You think I'm joking, but I'm not. He did something individual, and
completely against the grain of our crappy, loud, commercial,
gossip-focussed culture, and did it successfully. Although his show is
often lumped together with Sesame Street, that was one show I really try to
cut down on with my kids: jumpy, disconnected stuff, really just
advertising with no particular product. The same people who thought it was
too slow, too saccharine for little children are, I've always assumed, the
ones who try to get them studying for their SATs when they're in first
grade, because "they've got to get into a good college". You could segue
into the Odyssey after Mr. Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read
cereal boxes. Here endeth the lesson. Christopher
For those who grew up with Mister Rogers, with his death comes the
realization that life isn't for ever and that you have reached an age where
those people you grew up with are beginning to disappear. I think its
called getting older.
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on 2/27/03 4:00 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">You think I'm jokin=
g, but I'm not. He did something individual, and completely against th=
e grain of our crappy, loud, commercial, gossip-focussed culture, and did it=
successfully. Although his show is often lumped together with Sesame =
Street, that was one show I really try to cut down on with my kids: ju=
mpy, disconnected stuff, really just advertising with no particular product.=
The same people who thought it was too slow, too saccharine for littl=
e children are, I've always assumed, the ones who try to get them studying f=
or their SATs when they're in first grade, because "they've got to get =
into a good college". You could segue into the Odyssey afte=
r Mr. Rogers; after Sesame Street you could only read cereal boxes. &n=
bsp; Here endeth the lesson. Christopher <BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
For those who grew up with Mister Rogers, with his death comes the realizat=
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>=20
>=20
> You think I'm joking, but I'm not. =20
I shall proffer a comment that is the bane of the newsgroup/listserv
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Me too.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:29:19 -0500
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> As I remember you are the owner of the devil duck. Oh, if
> that duck could talk.
Listen, Bill... it WAS NOT ME IN THE HALL PULLING THE FIRE ALARM IN MY UNDER PANTS that night!
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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In a message dated 2/27/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with me his
> regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers.
Ken,
Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon rising
(that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply allowed me to wake
up). Each day I approach with either dread, or anticipation of good things.
It's incredible, but on those good days, as I step down onto the sidewalk, I
without fail find myself singing in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the
neighborhood!"
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:17:50 -0600
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Subject: heroes and the songs in our heads
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Toward the end of my unhappy tenure with an unpleasant employer I got,
"Somebody Turned On The Light" by Arlo Guthrie stuck in my head. Day
after day, each return trip from the coffee pot I seemed to have the
lines drilled into my skull, "Somebody said, ' who's life is this?',
and I said,' that it can't be mine'". Maybe I'm nutz, or maybe songs
we sing mean something.
Just checked the lyrics...strange that the line, "Women, wine and fast
red cars," didn't get stuck. Maybe it will now...but I doubt it.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
> In a message dated 2/27/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with
> me his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers.
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon
> rising (that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply
> allowed me to wake up). Each day I approach with either dread, or
> anticipation of good things. It's incredible, but on those good days,
> as I step down onto the sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing
> in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!"
>
> Twybil
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Toward the end of my unhappy tenure with an unpleasant employer I got,
"Somebody Turned On The Light" by Arlo Guthrie stuck in my head. Day
after day, each return trip from the coffee pot I seemed to have the
lines drilled into my skull, "Somebody said, ' who's life is this?',
and I said,' that it can't be mine'". Maybe I'm nutz, or maybe songs
we sing mean something.
Just checked the lyrics...strange that the line, "Women, wine and fast
red cars," didn't get stuck. Maybe it will now...but I doubt it.
-jc
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Mike Devonshire wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
2/27/2003 9:28:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>I was talking with one of my unusual friends
today and he shared with me his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr.
Rogers.
Ken,
Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon
rising (that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply
allowed me to wake up). Each day I approach with either dread, or
anticipation of good things. It's incredible, but on those good days,
as I step down onto the sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing
in my head, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!"
Twybil</excerpt>
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:45:31 -0800
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Balls in the gutter
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That's the point we're at now. Not a comfortable place to be. It's hard
enough to parent your kids, but to have to parent your parents is very
difficult. I am having to make decisions about what to throw out and what
to keep. Medical decisions have to be made and house repairs. There is no
question of selling the place, it has been in the family for about 200
years and I'm not about to let it go. That's why we moved in here. Ruth
At 7:56 PM -0500 2/26/03, Becker, Dan wrote:
That's what my brother and I finally had to do for our childhood homeplace
when it was time for Dad to simplify his life...role-reversal...we quit
asking him, and told him what to do. Everything got much easier after that.
D.
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:53:19 -0800
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Somehow I don't think being out in the weather will hurt a choochoo train
too much. Up here our trains run out in the weather all the time, even
Amtrack. Falling roofs might be a different story. Ruth
At 4:41 PM -0500 2/26/03, Ken Follett wrote:
During the big snow I saw a report that the roof on the B & O museum round
house in Baltimore had collapsed. There was a shot with a large area of
roof missing. Any word on that? They have a hell of a nice collection of
early American locomotives in there and I'm curious what effect the
subsequent rain has had, let alone the damage to their displays from
falling cut timbers and iron connections.
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Old workshops
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In a message dated 2/26/2003 10:57:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> No, no, no, I know all about making sawdust, we have a sawmill here on the
> farm. This is a MACHINE shop, they do funky things with hunks of METAL.
> It looks like great fun but they measure things in thousandths of an inch
> and I don't get any finer than an eighth so would never do. Ruth
>
I wouldn't limit myself to such coarse measurements, but on the other hand
thousandths of an inch are way too small for me. Somehow, metal work scares
me in a way that woodwork doesn't, and I don't really like plumbing because
of all that goddam water rushing hither and yon, even in the pipes. I'm also
nowhere near as accurate in sawdust fabrication as I'd like to be, and can't
keep my goddam radical alarm saw square, which drives me absolutely nuts.
Masonry is too messy for me, too; I like things that are dry and stay where
you put them, although I suppose one could argue that masonry doesn't move
much when installed by somebody who knows what the hell s/he's doing.
Painting is OK, though, and staining and varnishing woodwork is heaven.
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>
and I don't get any finer than an eighth so would never do. Ruth<BR>
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housandths of an inch are way too small for me. Somehow, metal work sc=
ares me in a way that woodwork doesn't, and I don't really like plumbing bec=
ause of all that goddam water rushing hither and yon, even in the pipes.&nbs=
p; I'm also nowhere near as accurate in sawdust fabrication as I'd like to b=
e, and can't keep my goddam radical alarm saw square, which drives me absolu=
tely nuts.<BR>
<BR>
Masonry is too messy for me, too; I like things that are dry and stay where=20=
you put them, although I suppose one could argue that masonry doesn't move m=
uch when installed by somebody who knows what the hell s/he's doing. P=
ainting is OK, though, and staining and varnishing woodwork is heaven.<BR>
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From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Tuesday July 22, 1879
MEYNER'S SHOT The Killing of Patrick M'DERMOTT, The Grocer
Coroner's Inquest Yesterday Afternoon-The assassin's Conduct before and
after the shooting-How MEYNER'S Bore the Terrible Ordeal-The Prisoner's
Wife in Tears.
At the Coroner's office, in the County Court House, yesterday afternoon,
the inquest touching the shooting of Patrick MC DERMOTT, the Hudson avenue
grocer, by the German cabinet maker, Nicholas MEYNERS, was held. The crowd
in attendance was large, and many inquiring glances were from time to time
directed toward the prisoner, who sat opposite the jury, in custody of his
captor, Officer James RYAN, of the Second Precinct. As on the day of his
arrest he wore only a cotton undershirt, cheap pantaloons, an old pair of
red carpet slippers and coarse woolen socks. His face, naturally pale and
bloodless, had become bleached into a ghastly yellowish white by his
incarceration, and, with his long, thin, brown locks and scraggy beard,
gave him a repulsive appearance. Captain CRAFTS, of the Second Precinct,
was present.
Michael SCHWARTZ testified: I live at No. 35 Hudson avenue. I am a
harnessmaker and coachman. I know the prisoner by sight. I came up from
his cellar. I was standing across the street. He had a white pitcher in
his hand, and went to the corner of John street and Hudson avenue and spoke
to the grocer's clerk. Afterward he came up out of the cellar, and went
away again with a newspaper. I saw him return to the cellar. I did not
again see him come out until the policeman had him. But I did stand there
five or six minutes before that, and saw the grocery man that was shot take
his two shutters off the door. Then he came down the sidewalk and wanted
to take the rope off the post to tie up the shutters. I saw him have hold
of the rope, and heard a shot. As soon as I heard the shot, MC DERMOTT
threw himself around and looked into the cellar.
Here the proceedings were for a moment interrupted by the entrance of the
widow of the deceased, dressed in deep mourning and closely
veiled. Several female friends were with her.
The witness continuing said: MC DERMOTT fell about two feet from the
curbstone; then he hollered several times; the first person to come to his
assistance was his wife; I saw the smoke issuing from the cellar.
Charles HARTMANN, of No. 30 Hudson avenue, testified: I am clerk in William
NEWMAN'S grocery, corner of Hudson avenue and John Street; last Thursday
morning I saw Mr. MEYNERS come into the store about ten minutes or a
quarter of six: he sat down awhile and talked, as was his habit, for he
came in several times every day; he said, "Good morning," and "A nice
morning;" I paid little attention to him, as I was busy; he walked out;
about five or eight minutes after that I heard a shot and went outside, and
saw Mr. MC DERMOTT falling down in the roadway about two feet from the
sidewalk. His wife came out. MEYNERS was apparently sober. He did not
talk like a drunken man. On the night of July 3, MEYNERS came to the store
to buy gunpowder. He asked me if I had any powder. I told him no, that I
had none. He had a gun in his hand. I asked him to let me see it, and he
showed it to me, and I saw it was empty and rusty. He told me it was a gun
he brought from the war. He stayed around there a little while, went out
and went into the basement. For three or four days before the shooting he
seemed to have been drinking. I never saw him quarrel, though I heard he
was quarreling with his wife. I know him since last October. When he came
in with the pitcher he bought nothing. I do not know that I shook my head
significantly that morning as he went out. I do not know that I shook my
head significantly that morning as he went out. If I did I must have done
it without cause.
Mrs. Kate MC DERMOTT, the widow, testified: I live at 34 Hudson
avenue. My husband left me Tuesday morning about seven o'clock and went to
New York to work. He did not return until three o'clock Wednesday
afternoon. He went to bed to et some sleep. He had no sooner laid down
than Mr. MEYNERS and his wife quarrelled-commenced to
fight-down-stairs. So my husband said to me: "Kate, please tell them to
quit, or I cannot sleep, for I want some rest." I went out, and spoke down
stairs to please stop fighting, for my husband wanted some sleep. He began
to quarrel again with the wife, and she rushed up to my door, and he after
her. Then she went out again, and hollered "murder," and my husband got up
and spoke from his door, and said "Please, Mr. MEYNERS, you ought to be
ashamed to be beating an old woman like that." That was all that took
place. My husband went to bed, and did not get up until seven o'clock that
evening, when he had his tea, and at nine o'clock put up the shutters and
went to bed. On Thursday morning I woke him up, at six o'clock. He went out
to take down the shutters, and told me to have breakfast ready. He had
only just got out-not one minute-when I heard the report of the gun. I
rushed for the door and heard him say: "Kate, Kate, the Dutchman in the
basement door has shot me." He (pointing to the prisoner, who did not move
a muscle) was standing at the basement door. When he heard my husband say
that the Dutchman in the basement had shot him, he locked himself in. When
I saw MEYNERS I did not mind whether he had anything in his hand-I was
looking at my husband. My husband had never a word with MEYNERS but what I
have told you. I did not see my husband strike him. My husband never went
outside of his room door.
Dr. Joseph F. O'CONNELL, House Surgeon at the Brooklyn Hospital testified:
A large, circular ragged wound was found in the left post-interior thoracic
region of MC DERMOTT'S body. The patient died at 1:30 P.M., six and a half
hours after admission to the hospital, with symptoms of internal
hemorrhage. I made the post mortem in the presence of Drs. SIMMS and
SHEPARD. The ball was found. It had drilled its way through the eighth
dorsal vertebra, and thence through the right lung, embedding itself
between the seventh and eighth ribs. Death was due to internal hemorrhage.
Bridget COSTELLO, of 34 Hudson avenue, second floor, testified: On
Wednesday Mrs. MEYNERS came to my door about 3:30 o'clock in the afternoon,
and told me her husband was licking her. I advised her to go to her own
apartments, as I did not wish to have anything to do with her. Shortly
afterward she went down stairs to her husband in the basement, and hollered
out "Murder! murder! Neighbors come and save me! My husband is killing me."
The neighbors rushed down. Mr. MC DERMOTT was standing at his own door in
his stocking feet, and Mrs. MC DERMOTT with him. Mr. MEYNERS had a big iron
poker, and was licking his wife. We cried shame on him to lick his poor old
wife like that. AFter that about five o'clock , I was washing, and asked
her to let me put some clothes on her line. She said I was welcome to do
it. Then she said
"Mrs., please; Mrs.., please won't you come here; my husband has a gun
loaded to shoot me." The next morning about ten minutes of six I was coming
across from the bakery with milk and bread, and I saw Mr. MEYNERS standing
on the first step of the cellar and the gun behind his back. I said "Good
morning" to him, and he returned the nod to me. As I was going up the
stairs I saw him holding the gun behind him with both hands. On Wednesday
evening about five or half past five o'clock when he was passing my door he
remarked that he would settle parties in that house. My sister-in-law was
standing by at the time. Her name is Kate COSTELLO. I was in my own room
when I heard the report of the gun, and I saw the smoke coming from the
basement. I saw Mr. MC DERMOTT fall into the street. he raised his hands. I
called out to Mrs. MC DERMOTT that the man in the basement had shot her
husband. Mrs. MC DERMOTT came out, and a crowd of people gathered. Some
citizens carried Mr. MC DERMOTT into his room. I was not home the day
before. I was working.
Mrs. Kate MEYNERS, a little, wrinkled, gray-haired woman, was called to the
stand. The tears coursed down her cheeks as she seated herself, and for
the first time the prisoner, who had not been seen her since his arrest,
seemed to take an interest in the proceedings. Until called upon she had
been in an adjoining room. She testified in a broken voice: My husband had
been drinking for fourteen days before this occurrence. I saw him have the
gun that morning. He had it down stairs, and I was in the yard
washing. That was near five o'clock.
Here the witness had a crying spell, and covered her face with her shawl.
I did not know whether the gun, was loaded. He never threatened to shoot
me with the gun. I did not hear him say he was going to shoot anybody. I
did not say to Bridget COSTELLO on Wednesday to come into my room that my
husband had a gun to shoot me. I was married to him thirty-nine years, and
he never said any such thing to me.
The Coroner had to question and requestion the woman on this point. She
grew excited, said that the newspapers had not told the truth, and in
broken English said something about telling lies. She kept on saying: "I
nebber said ???dings. Ve nebber had a gun loaded. Nobody ebber come into
mein room" Finally the Coroner quieted her down, and she continued:
I saw my husband take the gun down the basement. it was five o'clock. I
heard the gun go off, but I knew nothing of what was done. I was down in
the yard getting water. I saw no one. When I went in a policeman had my
husband.
The last statement called forth condemnatory shakes of the head and sighs
of doubt from some of the women present.
The witness continued: When I got in from the yard two policemen were in
the basement.
To a juror-My husband went early to bed Wednesday night at ten o'clock. He
read much in the paper. He got up two or three times during the night and
went down stairs. I saw no liquor with him that night. He did not drink
that night, but was half out of his mind. On Tuesday he was drunk.
To a juror-Liquor never came to my house. (A woman laughed incredulously.)
He always went after it. I don't know where he went when he went down
stairs that night.
To the Coroner-I did not see him load the gun.
Captain CRAFTS here held up the gun which witness in response to a question
from the Coroner identified, saying: "It was seven years with us."
Mrs. MC DERMOTT sobbed.
To the Coroner-The gun had been in his room six weeks before he took it down.
As the witness left the stand an officer gave her a seat between Mrs. MC
DERMOTT and her husband.
Patrolman James RYAN, of the Second Precinct, testified: I live at No. 168
Prospect street. On the morning of the 17th I was standing in Plymouth
street, near Hudson avenue. I heard the report of a gun. I looked toward
Hudson avenue and saw some parties run. I started and ran toward the
corner, and down Hudson avenue. I saw Patrick MC DERMOTT lying in the
street. I was told that he had been shot by a man that went into the
basement of No. 34 Hudson avenue. I went down stairs and knocked at the
door. The door was not opened, and I burst it in. Nicholas MEYNERS was
standing inside of the door. I asked him why he shot that man. He replied:
"He knows, I no see nobody. I wanted to fire off the gun." I arrested him,
barricaded the front of the door, and took him out of the rear door. He
and I barricaded it by putting the workbench against it and bolting it. We
went through to the rear yard, and then came through the side hall into the
street and went to the station-house. Officer HORAN was with us.
To the juror-The basement is MEYNERS' workshop. He had tools, work bench,
lumber, and one thing and another there.
To the Coroner-The gun was inside the door with the hammer raised. Mrs.
MEYNERS came into the cellar before I took her husband out. He did not
seem to be under the influence of liquor. he appeared to be excited. I
could not keep him still in the basement-he jumped from side to side-until
I secured the door.
To a juror-Standing at the door I could see anyone standing on the
sidewalk-if pretty near.
To the Coroner-MC DERMOTT was lying twelve or fifteen feet from the cellar
door. I identify the gun shown as the one I found in the cellar. The
Coroner called MEYNERS to the bar, and after duly cautioning him asked him
if he had anything to say.
The only reply was: "I don't know, I vos drunk!"
"Sit down," said the Coroner, and the prisoner reseated himself.
The Coroner then charged the jury.
The jury soon returned with the following verdict:
We the jurors impanelled in the case of the death of Patrick MC DERMOTT,
who died at the City Hospital on Thursday July 17, 1879, at 1:30 P. M. ,
find that the deceased came to his death from internal hemorrhage, caused
by a shot from a gun in the hands of NicholasMEYNERS, on the morning of
July 17, 1879, at 34 Hudson avenue.
The Coroner the committed the prisoner to jail. As MEYNERS was passing out
between two officers, a woman-clad in mourning, and carrying an infant,
confronted him. She is said to be a relative of the deceased. Accounts
vary as to what transpired, as owing to the crowd passing out at the same
time it was impossible to see the parties. Some say that the woman held up
her hand menacingly, at the same time uttering a cry of rage; while others
state that she seized the prisoner by the beard and would have plucked it
out by the roots but for the interference of the officers. The trouble was
over, however, in an instant, and the prisoner was hurried out of the
building.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">From the Brooklyn Union-Argus, Tuesday July 22, 1879<B=
R>
<BR>
MEYNER'S SHOT The Killing of Patrick M'DERMOTT, The Grocer<BR>
Coroner's Inquest Yesterday Afternoon-The assassin's Conduct before and <BR>
after the shooting-How MEYNER'S Bore the Terrible Ordeal-The Prisoner's <BR>
Wife in Tears.<BR>
<BR>
At the Coroner's office, in the County Court House, yesterday afternoon, <BR=
>
the inquest touching the shooting of Patrick MC DERMOTT, the Hudson avenue <=
BR>
grocer, by the German cabinet maker, Nicholas MEYNERS, was held. The c=
rowd <BR>
in attendance was large, and many inquiring glances were from time to time <=
BR>
directed toward the prisoner, who sat opposite the jury, in custody of his <=
BR>
captor, Officer James RYAN, of the Second Precinct. As on the day of h=
is <BR>
arrest he wore only a cotton undershirt, cheap pantaloons, an old pair of <B=
R>
red carpet slippers and coarse woolen socks. His face, naturally pale=20=
and <BR>
bloodless, had become bleached into a ghastly yellowish white by his <BR>
incarceration, and, with his long, thin, brown locks and scraggy beard, <BR>
gave him a repulsive appearance. Captain CRAFTS, of the Second Precinc=
t, <BR>
was present.<BR>
<BR>
Michael SCHWARTZ testified: I live at No. 35 Hudson avenue. I am a <BR=
>
harnessmaker and coachman. I know the prisoner by sight. I came=20=
up from <BR>
his cellar. I was standing across the street. He had a white pit=
cher in <BR>
his hand, and went to the corner of John street and Hudson avenue and spoke=20=
<BR>
to the grocer's clerk. Afterward he came up out of the cellar, and wen=
t <BR>
away again with a newspaper. I saw him return to the cellar.&nbs=
p; I did not <BR>
again see him come out until the policeman had him. But I did stand th=
ere <BR>
five or six minutes before that, and saw the grocery man that was shot take=20=
<BR>
his two shutters off the door. Then he came down the sidewalk and want=
ed <BR>
to take the rope off the post to tie up the shutters. I saw him have h=
old <BR>
of the rope, and heard a shot. As soon as I heard the shot, MC DERMOTT=
<BR>
threw himself around and looked into the cellar.<BR>
<BR>
Here the proceedings were for a moment interrupted by the entrance of the <B=
R>
widow of the deceased, dressed in deep mourning and closely <BR>
veiled. Several female friends were with her.<BR>
<BR>
The witness continuing said: MC DERMOTT fell about two feet from the <=
BR>
curbstone; then he hollered several times; the first person to come to his <=
BR>
assistance was his wife; I saw the smoke issuing from the cellar.<BR>
Charles HARTMANN, of No. 30 Hudson avenue, testified: I am clerk in William=20=
<BR>
NEWMAN'S grocery, corner of Hudson avenue and John Street; last Thursday <BR=
>
morning I saw Mr. MEYNERS come into the store about ten minutes or a <BR>
quarter of six: he sat down awhile and talked, as was his habit, for he <BR>
came in several times every day; he said, "Good morning," and "A nice <BR>
morning;" I paid little attention to him, as I was busy; he walked out; <BR>
about five or eight minutes after that I heard a shot and went outside, and=20=
<BR>
saw Mr. MC DERMOTT falling down in the roadway about two feet from the <BR>
sidewalk. His wife came out. MEYNERS was apparently sober. =
He did not <BR>
talk like a drunken man. On the night of July 3, MEYNERS came to the s=
tore <BR>
to buy gunpowder. He asked me if I had any powder. I told him no, that I <BR=
>
had none. He had a gun in his hand. I asked him to let me see it, and he <BR=
>
showed it to me, and I saw it was empty and rusty. He told me it was a=
gun <BR>
he brought from the war. He stayed around there a little while, went o=
ut <BR>
and went into the basement. For three or four days before the shooting=
he <BR>
seemed to have been drinking. I never saw him quarrel, though I heard=20=
he <BR>
was quarreling with his wife. I know him since last October. When he c=
ame <BR>
in with the pitcher he bought nothing. I do not know that I shook my head <B=
R>
significantly that morning as he went out. I do not know that I shook=20=
my <BR>
head significantly that morning as he went out. If I did I must have d=
one <BR>
it without cause.<BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Kate MC DERMOTT, the widow, testified: I live at 34 Hudson <BR>
avenue. My husband left me Tuesday morning about seven o'clock and wen=
t to <BR>
New York to work. He did not return until three o'clock Wednesday <BR>
afternoon. He went to bed to et some sleep. He had no sooner lai=
d down <BR>
than Mr. MEYNERS and his wife quarrelled-commenced to <BR>
fight-down-stairs. So my husband said to me: "Kate, please tell them t=
o <BR>
quit, or I cannot sleep, for I want some rest." I went out, and spoke=20=
down <BR>
stairs to please stop fighting, for my husband wanted some sleep. He b=
egan <BR>
to quarrel again with the wife, and she rushed up to my door, and he after <=
BR>
her. Then she went out again, and hollered "murder," and my husband go=
t up <BR>
and spoke from his door, and said "Please, Mr. MEYNERS, you ought to be <BR>
ashamed to be beating an old woman like that." That was all that took=20=
<BR>
place. My husband went to bed, and did not get up until seven o'clock=20=
that <BR>
evening, when he had his tea, and at nine o'clock put up the shutters and <B=
R>
went to bed. On Thursday morning I woke him up, at six o'clock. He went out=20=
<BR>
to take down the shutters, and told me to have breakfast ready. He had=
<BR>
only just got out-not one minute-when I heard the report of the gun. I=
<BR>
rushed for the door and heard him say: "Kate, Kate, the Dutchman in th=
e <BR>
basement door has shot me." He (pointing to the prisoner, who did not move <=
BR>
a muscle) was standing at the basement door. When he heard my husband=20=
say <BR>
that the Dutchman in the basement had shot him, he locked himself in. =20=
When <BR>
I saw MEYNERS I did not mind whether he had anything in his hand-I was <BR>
looking at my husband. My husband had never a word with MEYNERS but what I <=
BR>
have told you. I did not see my husband strike him. My husband n=
ever went <BR>
outside of his room door.<BR>
<BR>
Dr. Joseph F. O'CONNELL, House Surgeon at the Brooklyn Hospital testified: <=
BR>
A large, circular ragged wound was found in the left post-interior thoracic=20=
<BR>
region of MC DERMOTT'S body. The patient died at 1:30 P.M., six and a=20=
half <BR>
hours after admission to the hospital, with symptoms of internal <BR>
hemorrhage. I made the post mortem in the presence of Drs. SIMMS and <BR>
SHEPARD. The ball was found. It had drilled its way through the=20=
eighth <BR>
dorsal vertebra, and thence through the right lung, embedding itself <BR>
between the seventh and eighth ribs. Death was due to internal hemorrh=
age.<BR>
<BR>
Bridget COSTELLO, of 34 Hudson avenue, second floor, testified: On <BR>
Wednesday Mrs. MEYNERS came to my door about 3:30 o'clock in the afternoon,=20=
<BR>
and told me her husband was licking her. I advised her to go to her own <BR>
apartments, as I did not wish to have anything to do with her. Shortly=
<BR>
afterward she went down stairs to her husband in the basement, and hollered=20=
<BR>
out "Murder! murder! Neighbors come and save me! My husband is killing me."=20=
<BR>
The neighbors rushed down. Mr. MC DERMOTT was standing at his own door in <B=
R>
his stocking feet, and Mrs. MC DERMOTT with him. Mr. MEYNERS had a big=
iron poker, and was licking his wife. We cried shame on him to=20=
lick his poor old wife like that. AFter that about five o'clock=20=
, I was washing, and asked her to let me put some clothes on her line.=
She said I was welcome to do it. Then she said <BR>
"Mrs., please; Mrs.., please won't you come here; my husband has a gun <BR>
loaded to shoot me." The next morning about ten minutes of six I was coming=20=
<BR>
across from the bakery with milk and bread, and I saw Mr. MEYNERS standing <=
BR>
on the first step of the cellar and the gun behind his back. I said "Good <B=
R>
morning" to him, and he returned the nod to me. As I was going up the=20=
<BR>
stairs I saw him holding the gun behind him with both hands. On Wednesday <B=
R>
evening about five or half past five o'clock when he was passing my door he=20=
<BR>
remarked that he would settle parties in that house. My sister-in-law=20=
was <BR>
standing by at the time. Her name is Kate COSTELLO. I was in my=20=
own room <BR>
when I heard the report of the gun, and I saw the smoke coming from the <BR>
basement. I saw Mr. MC DERMOTT fall into the street. he raised his han=
ds. I called out to Mrs. MC DERMOTT that the man in the basement=
had shot her husband. Mrs. MC DERMOTT came out, and a crowd of=20=
people gathered. Some citizens carried Mr. MC DERMOTT into his r=
oom. I was not home the day before. I was working. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Kate MEYNERS, a little, wrinkled, gray-haired woman, was called to the&=
nbsp; stand. The tears coursed down her cheeks as she seated herself,=20=
and for <BR>
the first time the prisoner, who had not been seen her since his arrest, <BR=
>
seemed to take an interest in the proceedings. Until called upon she h=
ad <BR>
been in an adjoining room. She testified in a broken voice: My husband=
had <BR>
been drinking for fourteen days before this occurrence. I saw him have=
the <BR>
gun that morning. He had it down stairs, and I was in the yard <BR>
washing. That was near five o'clock.<BR>
<BR>
Here the witness had a crying spell, and covered her face with her shawl.<BR=
>
I did not know whether the gun, was loaded. He never threatened to sho=
ot <BR>
me with the gun. I did not hear him say he was going to shoot anybody. I <BR=
>
did not say to Bridget COSTELLO on Wednesday to come into my room that my <B=
R>
husband had a gun to shoot me. I was married to him thirty-nine years,=
and <BR>
he never said any such thing to me.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner had to question and requestion the woman on this point. She <BR>
grew excited, said that the newspapers had not told the truth, and in <BR>
broken English said something about telling lies. She kept on saying: "I <BR=
>
nebber said ???dings. Ve nebber had a gun loaded. Nobody ebber c=
ome into <BR>
mein room" Finally the Coroner quieted her down, and she continued:<BR>
I saw my husband take the gun down the basement. it was five o'clock.&=
nbsp; I <BR>
heard the gun go off, but I knew nothing of what was done. I was down in <BR=
>
the yard getting water. I saw no one. When I went in a policeman had my <BR>
husband.<BR>
The last statement called forth condemnatory shakes of the head and sighs <B=
R>
of doubt from some of the women present.<BR>
The witness continued: When I got in from the yard two policemen were in <BR=
>
the basement.<BR>
To a juror-My husband went early to bed Wednesday night at ten o'clock. =
; He <BR>
read much in the paper. He got up two or three times during the night and <B=
R>
went down stairs. I saw no liquor with him that night. He did not drink <BR>
that night, but was half out of his mind. On Tuesday he was drunk.<BR>
To a juror-Liquor never came to my house. (A woman laughed incredulously.) <=
BR>
He always went after it. I don't know where he went when he went down <BR>
stairs that night.<BR>
To the Coroner-I did not see him load the gun.<BR>
Captain CRAFTS here held up the gun which witness in response to a question=20=
<BR>
from the Coroner identified, saying: "It was seven years with us."<BR>
Mrs. MC DERMOTT sobbed.<BR>
To the Coroner-The gun had been in his room six weeks before he took it down=
.<BR>
As the witness left the stand an officer gave her a seat between Mrs. MC <BR=
>
DERMOTT and her husband.<BR>
<BR>
Patrolman James RYAN, of the Second Precinct, testified: I live at No. 168 <=
BR>
Prospect street. On the morning of the 17th I was standing in Plymouth=
<BR>
street, near Hudson avenue. I heard the report of a gun. I looked towa=
rd <BR>
Hudson avenue and saw some parties run. I started and ran toward the <=
BR>
corner, and down Hudson avenue. I saw Patrick MC DERMOTT lying in the <BR>
street. I was told that he had been shot by a man that went into the <BR>
basement of No. 34 Hudson avenue. I went down stairs and knocked at th=
e <BR>
door. The door was not opened, and I burst it in. Nicholas MEYNE=
RS was <BR>
standing inside of the door. I asked him why he shot that man. He replied: <=
BR>
"He knows, I no see nobody. I wanted to fire off the gun." I arrested him, <=
BR>
barricaded the front of the door, and took him out of the rear door. H=
e <BR>
and I barricaded it by putting the workbench against it and bolting it. =
; We <BR>
went through to the rear yard, and then came through the side hall into the=20=
<BR>
street and went to the station-house. Officer HORAN was with us.<BR>
To the juror-The basement is MEYNERS' workshop. He had tools, work bench, <B=
R>
lumber, and one thing and another there.<BR>
To the Coroner-The gun was inside the door with the hammer raised. Mrs=
. <BR>
MEYNERS came into the cellar before I took her husband out. He did not=
<BR>
seem to be under the influence of liquor. he appeared to be excited. I=
<BR>
could not keep him still in the basement-he jumped from side to side-until <=
BR>
I secured the door.<BR>
To a juror-Standing at the door I could see anyone standing on the <BR>
sidewalk-if pretty near.<BR>
To the Coroner-MC DERMOTT was lying twelve or fifteen feet from the cellar <=
BR>
door. I identify the gun shown as the one I found in the cellar. The <=
BR>
Coroner called MEYNERS to the bar, and after duly cautioning him asked him <=
BR>
if he had anything to say.<BR>
The only reply was: "I don't know, I vos drunk!"<BR>
"Sit down," said the Coroner, and the prisoner reseated himself.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner then charged the jury.<BR>
<BR>
The jury soon returned with the following verdict:<BR>
<BR>
We the jurors impanelled in the case of the death of Patrick MC DERMOTT, <BR=
>
who died at the City Hospital on Thursday July 17, 1879, at 1:30 P. M. , <BR=
>
find that the deceased came to his death from internal hemorrhage, caused <B=
R>
by a shot from a gun in the hands of NicholasMEYNERS, on the morning of <BR>
July 17, 1879, at 34 Hudson avenue.<BR>
<BR>
The Coroner the committed the prisoner to jail. As MEYNERS was passing=
out <BR>
between two officers, a woman-clad in mourning, and carrying an infant, <BR>
confronted him. She is said to be a relative of the deceased. Ac=
counts <BR>
vary as to what transpired, as owing to the crowd passing out at the same <B=
R>
time it was impossible to see the parties. Some say that the woman hel=
d up <BR>
her hand menacingly, at the same time uttering a cry of rage; while others <=
BR>
state that she seized the prisoner by the beard and would have plucked it <B=
R>
out by the roots but for the interference of the officers. The trouble=
was <BR>
over, however, in an instant, and the prisoner was hurried out of the buildi=
ng.<BR>
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I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with me
his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers.
Ken,
Funny thing, I generally feel one of two things in the morning upon rising
(that is following the elation that the Big Guy has simply allowed me to
wake up). Each day I approach with either dread, or anticipation of good
things. It's incredible, but on those good days, as I step down onto the
sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing in my head, "It's a beautiful
day in the neighborhood!"
Twybil
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike
Devonshire<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
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Rogers.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Ken,<BR><BR>Funny thing, I generally feel one of
two things in the morning upon rising (that is following the elation that the
Big Guy has simply allowed me to wake up). Each day I approach with either
dread, or anticipation of good things. It's incredible, but on those good
days, as I step down onto the sidewalk, I without fail find myself singing in
my head, "It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!"<BR><BR>Twybil</FONT>
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:36:39 -0600
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I'm confused, you can offend at conservator by mistaking him for a
contractor?
-jc
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 07:08 AM, Nicholas Micros wrote:
> Ralph:
>
> How dare you call me a contractor! Conservator of Architectural Stone
> and
> Sculpture please!
>
> Nice to know someone misses me a little! I will actually be back in
> NYC for
> 3 weeks in April to finish a project for the City of NY.
>
> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
> (Foundation
> Building) ugly because it was designed ugly, or ugly because we
> restored it
> into a new state of ugliness? Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> Nick
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> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art (Foundation
>
I vote for designed ugly. Christopher
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 15:27:21 EST
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Dear Sir or Madam
I am currently researching the subject of joiners 'rods', used to take
and transfer dimensions without numerical measurements, and wondered if
I could possibly enlist your help?
As a joiner I have no difficulty describing the making and operation of
rods, but other than George Ellis' Practical Modern Joinery (1907) I am
struggling to locate sources that detail earlier use and/or examples.
I wonder if you might be able to suggest somebody that I could contact
for guidance in this matter?
May I also offer to send you a copy of the completed paper for your archive?
Yours sincerely
Mike Bispham
Sutton Joinery (Kent)
01304 361311
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face="Arial" lang="0">Dear Sir or Madam<br>
<br>
I am currently researching the subject of joiners 'rods', used to take and
transfer dimensions without numerical measurements, and wondered if I could
possibly enlist your help?<br>
<br>
As a joiner I have no difficulty describing the making and operation of
rods, but other than George Ellis' Practical Modern Joinery (1907) I am struggling
to locate sources that detail earlier use and/or examples.<br>
<br>
I wonder if you might be able to suggest somebody that I could contact for
guidance in this matter?<br>
<br>
May I also offer to send you a copy of the completed paper for your archive?<br>
<br>
Yours sincerely<br>
<br>
Mike Bispham<br>
<br>
Sutton Joinery (Kent)<br>
<br>
01304 361311<br>
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Subject: Re: Cooper Union Contractor in Switzerland
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In a message dated 2/28/2003 8:09:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Now, is The Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art (Foundation
> Building) ugly because it was designed ugly
I think it was designed ugly, and built of lousy material (ie, brownstone),
and has been altered so as to become uglier. What do you think? Let the
Pinheads know when you'll be here. We'll be happy to stay away from a party
in your honor.
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<BR>
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Building) ugly because it was designed ugly</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
<I>I</I> think it was designed ugly, and built of lousy material (ie, browns=
tone), and has been altered so as to become uglier. What do <I>you </I=
>think? Let the Pinheads know when you'll be here. We'll be happ=
y to stay away from a party in your honor.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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In a message dated 2/28/2003 8:22:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Would you be mine, could you be mine, won't you be my neighbour?
>
Not if spell like that. Goddam furriners.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
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Subject: Re: Mr. Rogers was, really, one of my heroes.
Would you be mine, could you be mine, won't you be my neighbour
Not if spell like that. Goddam furriners.
Ralph=20
Of course, you realize that Mr. Rogers was a Canadian =
invention/development. The Mr. started out as a puppeteer doing a =
puppets and song show in Pittsburgh. He was invited by a producer at =
CBC-TV to come to Canada and do a show, and Mr. came to Toronto thinking =
he was going to do a children's puppet show series on TV. The producer =
suggested that he take a different approach and described the format we =
all came to know as the neighbourhood, and the Mr. Rogers show was born =
and aired in Canada as a neighbourly combination of Canadian vision and =
American talent. After a while, Mr. moved back to Pittsburgh and kept =
it all going, taking along the Canadian notion that neighbourliness was =
next to Godliness.
I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history =
and TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn =
what it is to value neighbourliness. It is probably the single most =
effective basic spiritual practice we all have to govern human actions.
cp in Rogers Land
(where it might seem a bit dull and slow but we smile a lot)
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[log in to unmask]
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course, you realize that Mr. Rogers =
was a=20
Canadian invention/development. The Mr. started out=20
as a puppeteer doing a puppets and song show in=20
Pittsburgh. He was invited by a producer at CBC-TV to =
come to=20
Canada and do a show, and Mr. came to Toronto thinking he was going to =
do a=20
children's puppet show series on TV. The producer suggested =
that he=20
take a different approach and described the format we all came to =
know as=20
the neighbourhood, and the Mr. Rogers show was born and aired in Canada =
as a=20
neighbourly combination of Canadian vision and American =
talent. =20
After a while, Mr. moved back to Pittsburgh and kept it all going, =
taking=20
along the Canadian notion that neighbourliness was next to=20
Godliness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. =
would take a=20
lesson from history and TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime =
Minister)=20
and learn what it is to value neighbourliness. =
It is=20
probably the single most effective basic spiritual =
practice we=20
all have to govern human actions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp in Rogers Land</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(where it might seem a bit dull and =
slow but we=20
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:13:19 EST
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Subject: Yup, Cuyler, we hate 'em too...
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In a message dated 2/28/03 2:51:50 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history and
> TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it is
> to value neighbourliness.
CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to
reporters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said 'Damn
Americans ... I hate those bastards.'"
Sign me, Always Wondered Who My Father Was - Guess He Was A Neighbour!
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ple.Leaf writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I wish the current puppetee=
r in Wash. would take a lesson from history and TV and listen to our current=
Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it is to value neighbourliness. &n=
bsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Ar=
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<BR>CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to rep=
orters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said 'Damn Ame=
ricans ... I hate those bastards.'"=20
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:42:59 -0800
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Ken, I'm so glad to see someone else has the same education philosophy
that I do. We have exposed our boys to as many different things as are
available here and they can take it or leave it. Oldest son at 23 is
still having trouble finding himself and has recently gone to Albuquerque
to visit my SIL and look for work. He is intending to relocate there if he
can sell his truck here. Youngest son is 9th grade and much more studious,
he is doing very well in school and hopes for a career in computer
something. He has long had an inventive mind and we have gotten him joined
up with an Inventors Club nearby. They are a bunch of old geezers who
totally dote on the kid who has joined their group.
I really hope that when the time comes my Dad goes the way of your
father-in-law. My sincere condolences to your wife and family. He sounds
like a really nice man and I'm sure he will be missed by his family.
Ninety is a long time to live but if a person is in reasonably good health.
Saw in the paper last week about a man from Maine who now lives somewhere
in NY. The oldest man in US at 112. This man live alone until he was 107
and it said he caught the attention of the local TV station when he was
seen shoveling off his porch roof at age 107. Ruth
At 9:27 PM -0500 2/27/03, Ken Follett wrote:
>> You think I'm joking, but I'm not.
>
>Sharpshooter: I see no joke.
>
>My wife went out to visit with, and look after, her father in Palo Alto
>last week. She was there alone with him while her sister, whom he had been
>living with, went off to visit her newest grand daughter. On Saturday my
>wife called to tell me that when he went to get into his wheel chair he
>fell to the floor. She hurt her back easing him down. Then had to get the
>neighbors to assist in getting him off the floor and back into bed. There
>was not much assistance that I could provide from home. On Sunday she
>called again and I asked her how he was doing. She paused, then told me
>that he had died a half hour previously. They had been listening to a mass
>on the radio and she was giving him sips of orange juice and he died.
>
>Ed Ronan was a gentle quiet guy in a way reminding me of Mr. Rogers. For
>twenty-plus years he worked for Texaco in Manhattan and was in charge of
>keeping track of the whereabouts of 55-gallon drums, so I have been told.
>He always enjoyed hearing about an interesting construction project, this
>I know for a fact, though I was often warned to be cautious in my
>conversation not to inadvertently let loose a blasphemy. He would be too
>polite to say that he was hurt. In my life he always lived somewhere else,
>so I never really got to know him. I have been told in some ways I am like
>him, though I doubt very many people ever see it that good. He was at
>peace with kids and spent a lot of his spare time supporting Kiwanis
>baseball. Ed lived a long life at 90 and died quietly. I am thankful that
>he did not ever indicate a desire to chase me away from his daughter,
>though the circumstances were a bit suspicious. My last time spent with
>Ed, on the weekend of his wife's memorial service, was at an assisted care
>facility where the single women his age seemed to be in a tizzy to look
>after him. The sharing of a bowl of stiff cafeteria jello can be a special
>kindness.
>
>I was talking with one of my unusual friends today and he shared with me
>his regret at the loss of his hero, Mr. Rogers. My friend keeps trying to
>retire, but finds that churches keep asking him to do more. At 63 my
>friend feels a bit pressed that his hero would die at 74. It is a natural
>occurence and I think Mr. Rogers would have talked with us about it if he
>were able. If there is a joke then it is because we are made nervous over
>reminders of our own mortality.
>
>As to Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers, they both came after my time, for me it
>was Shari Lewis and Howdy Doody. We have never pressed our son to SAT
>achievement. It would be against our ornery principles and
>counterproductive on his part. We have fed him with anything and
>everything that we have been able to gather to reflect his interest... if
>he reached towards a dinosaur then we cultivated dinosaurs, when he wanted
>to go fishing we took him fishing. Our primary goal has been for him to
>learn to survive. Sometimes it has simply been leaving things, like books,
>around the house for him to discover in his own time. I do not believe
>that he ever took a great deal of interest in Mr. Rogers... and having
>just asked him he tells me that though he watched Mr. Rogers a lot that in
>his opinion Sesame Street was much better.
>
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In a message dated 2/28/03 2:51:50 PM, [log in to unmask] writes: I =
wish the current puppeteer in Wash. would take a lesson from history and =
TV and listen to our current Producer (Prime Minister) and learn what it =
is to value neighbourliness. =20
CBC News reports that "Carolyn Parrish [Canadian MP] was speaking to =
reporters ....after most of the cameras were turned off, Parrish said =
'Damn Americans ... I hate those bastards.'"=20
Yup, there are jerks everywhere. I wonder what TV she watched when she =
was a kid. I hope she is forced to resign. That actually happens =
here too when someone proves their ineptitude. The last one to resign =
was also a woman who bad-mouthed the good old hew-hes-hay last Fall. =
Is this a trend? Is it becoming a woman thing to do? I thought the =
fair sex was supposed to bring an attitude of gentle persuasion and =
motherliness to government once they were recognized as humans and =
allowed to vote.
This event reminds me of the famous "Uncle Don" moment on 1940's Chicago =
Saturday Morning Children's Radio when the famous and much beloved Uncle =
Don ended his syrupy network show with his usual sweet goodbyes and =
then, thinking the mike was off, was heard all across the nation to =
clearly say in a snarly voice "There, I hope that keeps the little =
bastards for another week!" That was the last of Uncle Don and I hope =
we have also heard the last of stupid Carolyn.
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