Dori Zook <[log in to unmask]> writes: > But > pleeeeeeease let me say one more thing; Ornish has a face like a monkey's > ass! Sorry, he's just someone I love to hate. I've heard many a tale of > what an jerk he is, too. I TRY to love all God's chil'ren but sometimes, I > just CAN'T. > > Tee hee, I'd have to admit, shameful that it may be, that I do agree with > you, Dori. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that Ornish does achieve some > modicum of success among those who follow his program with devout tenacity, > which makes one wonder why such diametrically opposed regimes such as > Atkins and Ornish might achieve similar results. Some people like to chalk > up these results to having little to do with diet at all, but rather to > exercise, spiritual reasons, etc. Personally, I see it more as a situation > of what is missing from these regimes, rather than what it is added in. > Both types of programs generally result in weight loss, which in and of > itself provides very beneficial effects throughout all parameters of health > markers. Additionally, whether one follows a low carb, high fat approach, > or the polar opposite, one is still admonished to exclude all manner of > sugar, trans fats and other junk foods. In the end, I believe very strongly that what you DON'T eat has more of an effect on > your health than what you DO eat. And to my mind, a modern Paleo diet is > more a matter of exclusion than addition. (Except now I'm going to go take > my daily spoonful of Cod Liver Oil!) Maddy Mason Hudson Valley, NY