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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Bledsoe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:44 PM
>=20
>=20
> >your 20th
> >Anniversary Mac:
>=20
>=20
> umm, what's  MAC ?

Do you seriously think that a true Mac zealot is going to bite on such
an obvious troll?

> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all=20
> aware of what that is, right?) in the subject lines, but no=20
> !^&^%ing cussing is allowed? I thought this was the new=20
> "family list" for histo-presto people......

It's obvious to me that this is a real PC list....

__________________________________________________
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:15:08 -0500
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From:         Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:      Graffiti Improves the View (was the SheeHee thread)
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Ruth writes:

>I thought the big money was in the asthetically pleasing, ever present,
"Jersey barrier" which seems to have migrated north and now graces our
roadsides in Vermont in ever increasing numbers.  I just wish some of
your
"graffiti artists" would migrate with them to make them more colorful.
I
love the "graffiti" that they paint and get angry whenever I see a
program
on TV about how they are persecuted by folks in the city.  These people
are
real artists and do what they can to make things like dull train cars
and
plywood temporary walls more attractive.  There, that's my rant for the
day, week, month, whatever.  Ruth<

Well maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, it shows off how ugly
the city can be when people don't consider the view from the tram or
whatever as of any importance. Having just returned from a trip to
Germany, studying historic roof framing technique, I can tell you it's
one thing to see a fabulous piece of spray paint art on an industrial
grade visual barrier and completely another to see it on 500+ year old
stone work. What's beautiful is without doubt in the eye of the
beholder, and there is obviously a difference between what a Woodstock
vintage histo prestoid sees, and what a 21st century skinhead with a can
of spray paint does.

Rudy's rant of the morning.

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In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....
>
Pam,

Not exactly what I meant.  The mothers liked me more than their daughters,
but they didn't like me that much, either.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Not exactly what I meant.&nbsp; The mothers liked me more than their daughters, but they didn't like me <U>that</U> much, either.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Please contact me if you are not interested and let me know why.
>

Dilligaf. HTH.

Ralph

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Please contact me if you are not interested and let me know why. <BR>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Candice,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Ms. Cunningham sounded like a force to be&nbsp;reckoned with:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">"If the men of America have seen fit to allow the home of its most respected hero to go to ruin, why can't the women of America band together to save it?"</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">"Ladies, the home of Washington is in your charge - see to it that you keep it the home of Washington. Let no irreverent hand change it; no vandal hands desecrate it with the fingers of progress. Those who go to the home in which he lived and died wish to see in what he lived and died."</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><EM></EM></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I'd be willing to bet that no one could have relegated her to the docent chair.&nbsp; When I was living in Annapolis, one of my neighbors mother was a current Mount Vernon Regent.&nbsp; She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping both ladies and&nbsp;"laddies" whipped into shape.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my DAR certificate.&nbsp; (My mother made me join when I was in high school).&nbsp; I was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply the the next revolution.&nbsp; Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">signed,</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">NPS and DAR</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Candice Brashears</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 1/29/2003 5:41:51 PM </DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 1/29/03 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">What a thought for the morning?!&nbsp; To slam together visions of the DAR<BR>and the current Ladies of the NPS!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s;&nbsp; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR><BR>Signed, <BR>Not D.A.R.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:48:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Mogambi Twybil

I'd been wondering where you were lately, Bwana.  Our regards to Jane and
Cheetah.

Ralph

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I'd been wondering where you were lately, Bwana.&nbsp; Our regards to Jane and Cheetah.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely
> come;  it really is just us Ladies.
>

What a surprise.

Ralph

These words at 1.5 cents per really add up, don't they?

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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely<BR>
come;&nbsp; it really is just us Ladies.<BR>
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<BR>
What a surprise.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject:      Re: Thanks everybody, Peter took off four minutes ago...
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 5:56:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card

Better his debit card than yours.

Ralph

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 5:56:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Better his debit card than yours.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject:      Re: WPA photos "every building in your town" ca. 1940...
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In a message dated 1/29/03 10:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any practioner out there >>personally<< familiar with a WPA photo project,
> ca. 1940, which photographed every building in a town?  New York City,
> Springfield Mass and a few other American cities have surviving caches of
> these photos.  In NYC they are known as the "tax photos".
>
> Christopher

Not so sure "every" building was photographed, but quite a number of historic
buildings were photo'd in CT; actually a program surprizingly similar to what
the Colonial Dames did in the 1920s-30s.  The WPA program is also similar to
HABS.  HABS/HAER is digitally accessible at www.loc.gov (Library of Congress)
in the American Memory archives, at least in part.  CTs WPA project files are
located at the CT State Library in Hartford.

Candy B

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/03 10:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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Not so sure "every" building was photographed, but quite a number of historic buildings were photo'd in CT; actually a program surprizingly similar to what the Colonial Dames did in the 1920s-30s.&nbsp; The WPA program is also similar to HABS.&nbsp; HABS/HAER is digitally accessible at www.loc.gov (Library of Congress) in the American Memory archives, at least in part.&nbsp; CTs WPA project files are located at the CT State Library in Hartford.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 7:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull
> train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.

Ralph,

Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.

Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and
seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive.
Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.

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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.<BR>
<BR>
Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive.&nbsp; Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 9:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> umm, what's  MAC ?
>
> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that
> is, right?)

Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).

In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of Cupertino,
CA.  Talk about PC-centrics.  And no, I am not aware of sheehee; would the
distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of the Garden State kindly
enlighten those of us who are unaware?

Ralph

PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too.  Glad to see you
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">umm, what's&nbsp; MAC ?<BR>
<BR>
and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that<BR>
is, right?)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).<BR>
<BR>
In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of Cupertino, CA.&nbsp; Talk about PC-centrics.&nbsp; And no, I am not aware of sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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w/ $ 1,480 he can't afford to come back...

Met History wrote:

> ...for New Zealand, the country so beautiful they say ... you never
> come back.
>
> PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card.
> Christopher

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Formidable - is what I have heard.  Of course, there have been many since all
over the US;  being from New England myself, I am mostly familiar with how
professionalism evolved in these here parts (more private than governmental;
more localized than regional - although SPNEA did make the attempt
c.1910-1950s)

Jefferson Airplane:  can't remember at the moment, but if you hum a few bars
I'll bet it will strike a bell.

cb

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> She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping
> both ladies and "laddies" whipped into shape.
>
> BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my
> DAR certificate.  (My mother made me join when I was in high school).  I
> was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply
> the the next revolution.  Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's
> "Volunteers of America"?
>


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Formidable - is what I have heard.&nbsp; Of course, there have been many since all over the US;&nbsp; being from New England myself, I am mostly familiar with how professionalism evolved in these here parts (more private than governmental; more localized than regional - although SPNEA did make the attempt c.1910-1950s)<BR>
<BR>
Jefferson Airplane:&nbsp; can't remember at the moment, but if you hum a few bars I'll bet it will strike a bell. <BR>
<BR>
cb<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 1/30/03 9:32:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping both ladies and "laddies" whipped into shape.<BR>
 <BR>
BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my DAR certificate.&nbsp; (My mother made me join when I was in high school).&nbsp; I was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply the the next revolution.&nbsp; Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?<BR>
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Maybe Ilene can provide more details on this -- the house was across the
street from her.

Ann Arbor News article:
http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news-3/1043768448210440.xml

                                  Larry

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Not merely Cupertio, Ralph, but

1 Infinite Loop

What an address!

(And me wondering if my mail would reach me if it were sent to the=20
Stately sounding hamlet of St. Paul.)

-jc

On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 09:00  AM, Ralph Walter wrote:

> In a message dated 1/29/2003 9:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> umm, what's=A0 MAC ?
>
> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what=20=

> that
> is, right?)
>
>
>
> Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).
>
> In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of=20
> Cupertino, CA.=A0 Talk about PC-centrics.=A0 And no, I am not aware of=20=

> sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be=20=

> of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?
>
> Ralph
>
> PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too.=A0 Glad =
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What an address!


(And me wondering if my mail would reach me if it were sent to the
Stately sounding hamlet of St. Paul.)


-jc

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</smaller></fontfamily>umm, what's=A0 MAC ?


and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what
that

is, right?)




Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).


In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of
Cupertino, CA.=A0 Talk about PC-centrics.=A0 And no, I am not aware of
sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be
of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?


Ralph


PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too.=A0 Glad to
see you back.

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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing
> Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent?
>

All that stuff is environmentally friendly, good for the ecostructure, and
all that other shit.  Dubya and Cheney drink it every morning for breakfast.

Rev. Jim (Jones, not Rhodes)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent? <BR>
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They have them in Jersey City, also, where they are also called tax photos.
It is my impression/vague recollection that they were made in 1937 or 38.

Ralph

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">They have them in Jersey City, also, where they are also called tax photos.&nbsp; It is my impression/vague recollection that they were made in 1937 or 38.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon
> Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s;  Without whom the
> "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history
> trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent
> chair.
>

Bitch, bitch bitch.  Meet up with Pyrate and the Kermits sometime, and you'll
wish you were in the docent chair.

Mr. Sensitive

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s;&nbsp; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR>
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Bitch, bitch bitch.&nbsp; Meet up with Pyrate and the Kermits sometime, and you'll wish you were in the docent chair.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:45:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> No wasn't it Tolstoy who said: "Regard the society of women as a necessary
> unpleasantness, and avoid it whenever possible."


Oh, yeth.

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">No wasn't it Tolstoy who said: "Regard the society of women as a necessary unpleasantness, and avoid it whenever possible." </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Ahh, Volunteers...

I like the version from the original Woodstock Album.  As I recall it starts
out with an intro (from Grace Slick?) to the effect of "You've heard the
groovy music now it's time for Morning Maniac Music...yeah, it's a new
dawn..."

I gather they were the first band on that day and opened their set with
"Volunteers."

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>
   Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?

signed,
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I like the version from the original Woodstock Album.  As I recall it starts
out with an intro (from Grace Slick?) something like "You've heard the
groovy music now it's time for morning maniac music...yeah, it's a new
dawn..."

I gather they were the first band on that day and opened their set with
"Volunteers."

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>
   Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?

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Larry,

Unpleasant.

"Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction techniques for
several hours before the late-morning fire was called under control..."
Outdated construction techniques... what an odd phrase. I assume the outdated
construction technique was the stupid welder removing the fire escape that
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Unpleasant. <BR>
<BR>
"Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction techniques for several hours before the late-morning fire was called under control..." Outdated construction techniques... what an odd phrase. I assume the outdated construction technique was the stupid welder removing the fire escape that set the building on fire.<BR>
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the country so beautiful they say ... you never come back.

Sharpshooter,

Request pictures w/ the e-mail, please.

Same reason I avoid going back to Ithaca. Beautiful must always be some other
place that we do not want to return from.

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Sharpshooter,<BR>
<BR>
Request pictures w/ the e-mail, please. <BR>
<BR>
Same reason I avoid going back to Ithaca. Beautiful must always be some other place that we do not want to return from.<BR>
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What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing
Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent?

If he keeps getting enough press exposure then he will get spotted and tagged
by the spirit of DEP and he will also need to suck up his dirty water before
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SheeHee is the new, socio-politically correct gender-neutral pronoun.
Endorsed by Art Linkletter and the League of  Nations.

Sharpshooter: Art Linkletter... hmmm... I thought it had to do with all the
special favor's ads in the Village Voice. No room for PeeWee Herman, though.
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relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.

Crass capitalist commercialism -- I hope the D.A.R. ladies come through so we
can actually make the needed repairs on one of our "museum" projects. All
hail the D.A.R.! I hope they have some idea what they are looking at, on
their upcomming progress tour, when they see all the holes that we have left
in the wall and that they do not jump to the conclusion that we are
attempting to turn the mansion into a bath house.

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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Crass capitalist commercialism -- I hope the D.A.R. ladies come through so we can actually make the needed repairs on one of our "museum" projects. All hail the D.A.R.! I hope they have some idea what they are looking at, on their upcomming progress tour, when they see all the holes that we have left in the wall and that they do not jump to the conclusion that we are attempting to turn the mansion into a bath house.<BR>
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Understand that this is my new neighborhood, that my 1835 house is
across a very narrow street, and that I watched the entire process from
the sidewalk and then from inside my house.  Today they are still
removing salvageable stuff at the same time they are installing new
trusses on the fire-damaged rear wing.  Tenants will be back in their
apartments within a month!!!  I'm not sure what they'll do with the
historic wallpaper and warped floors...  Scary!
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        "Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction
techniques for several hours before the late-morning fire was called
under control..." Outdated construction techniques... what an odd
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My mother made me join when I was in high school...

Lisa,

LOL! Cripes, all I had to avoid was being inducted into the John Birch
Society, as per the inclination of my stepfather, and the draft as per the
inclination of my Uncle Sam.

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Lisa,<BR>
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LOL! Cripes, all I had to avoid was being inducted into the John Birch Society, as per the inclination of my stepfather, and the draft as per the inclination of my Uncle Sam.<BR>
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I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from inside my house.


Ilene,

Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it to have a mess
quite so close. Please keep us posted.

I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's reaction to
when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work inside. The fire
fighters had to restrain him from running in to save his manuscripts... and
then later he made a front by telling the press that it relieved him to have
a blank slate with which to start over.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from inside my house. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Ilene,<BR>
<BR>
Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it to have a mess quite so close. Please keep us posted.<BR>
<BR>
I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's reaction to when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work inside. The fire fighters had to restrain him from running in to save his manuscripts... and then later he made a front by telling the press that it relieved him to have a blank slate with which to start over.<BR>
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:02:53 EST
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love the "graffiti" that they paint and get angry whenever

I'm not ranting... I was attending a little histo presto social educational
session at one of our more illustrious historic houses in NYC. We were all
huddled in a cozy brick basement kitchen with chairs and slides, warm on a
cold night. One of the guest speakers, who turned out to be a friend of my
famous artist friend, gave a presentation on his documentary study of
graffitti art in the 70's - 80's, when it was REALLY blooming, particularly
as it was practiced in the South Bronx. He was approaching the aesthetic from
the grassroot social-art perspective (an urban voice fighting for survival),
as well as the historical context -- a social art movement no longer active.
The cultivated Greenwich Village dames present, who are forever dealing with
their histo presto stoops getting tagged, wanted to lynch him then and there.
A few things have changed in NYC -- Greenwich Village is where wealthy
non-bohemians live, and the graffiti is not nearly as spontaneously
interesting as it used to be.

Transit installed car scrubbers to automate the graffiti removal, for one
thing, and the business of anti-graffiti coatings has boomed. Now where there
is graffiti it tends to be where there is so much poverty that nobody would
ever think to remove it (particularly the memorials to kids that died from
drugs or gang violence), or it occurs in places where it is encouraged.
Across from our lot in Brooklyn the bus company has the entire wall, say 20'
x 100' painted with an incredibly active mural... a few years ago they had it
painted out and the original artists return and re-paint the wall.

Now, this is hot & trendy Williamsburg, where all the young wannabe
"artistes" of the city are congregating (what used to be Greenwich Village)
and nearby to the prospersous Brooklyn Brewery. Art rules. It also subdues
and forces out the natives, bohemian & otherwise, that can no longer afford
the escalating rents. MFA land is what we get, probably not such a bad thing,
excepting for the facade of "deep meaning" it imparts to a complex community
of cultures overlaid on cultures, and all because of the technlogical
proximity of a subway stop. Not too many years back people were still getting
shot around here and now we have tourists looking for Thai food.

The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is inclined
to explore the outer boroughs... so in Vermont the viewing for graffiti may
be a whole lot better than it is here.

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I'm not ranting... I was attending a little histo presto social educational session at one of our more illustrious historic houses in NYC. We were all huddled in a cozy brick basement kitchen with chairs and slides, warm on a cold night. One of the guest speakers, who turned out to be a friend of my famous artist friend, gave a presentation on his documentary study of graffitti art in the 70's - 80's, when it was REALLY blooming, particularly as it was practiced in the South Bronx. He was approaching the aesthetic from the grassroot social-art perspective (an urban voice fighting for survival), as well as the historical context -- a social art movement no longer active. The cultivated Greenwich Village dames present, who are forever dealing with their histo presto stoops getting tagged, wanted to lynch him then and there. A few things have changed in NYC -- Greenwich Village is where wealthy non-bohemians live, and the graffiti is not nearly as spontaneously interesting as it used to be. <BR>
<BR>
Transit installed car scrubbers to automate the graffiti removal, for one thing, and the business of anti-graffiti coatings has boomed. Now where there is graffiti it tends to be where there is so much poverty that nobody would ever think to remove it (particularly the memorials to kids that died from drugs or gang violence), or it occurs in places where it is encouraged. Across from our lot in Brooklyn the bus company has the entire wall, say 20' x 100' painted with an incredibly active mural... a few years ago they had it painted out and the original artists return and re-paint the wall. <BR>
<BR>
Now, this is hot &amp; trendy Williamsburg, where all the young wannabe "artistes" of the city are congregating (what used to be Greenwich Village) and nearby to the prospersous Brooklyn Brewery. Art rules. It also subdues and forces out the natives, bohemian &amp; otherwise, that can no longer afford the escalating rents. MFA land is what we get, probably not such a bad thing, excepting for the facade of "deep meaning" it imparts to a complex community of cultures overlaid on cultures, and all because of the technlogical proximity of a subway stop. Not too many years back people were still getting shot around here and now we have tourists looking for Thai food.<BR>
<BR>
The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is inclined to explore the outer boroughs... so in Vermont the viewing for graffiti may be a whole lot better than it is here.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 12:04:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is
> inclined to explore the outer boroughs...

I know that growing up in the West I was led to believe (through the media)
that all subways had graffiti on the train cars.  When in the DC area, I was
shocked that there wasn't any.  This leads me to believe that the cars must
be stored somewhere at night where the artists cannot find them.
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I know that growing up in the West I was led to believe (through the media) that all subways had graffiti on the train cars.&nbsp; When in the DC area, I was shocked that there wasn't any.&nbsp; This leads me to believe that the cars must be stored somewhere at night where the artists cannot find them.<BR>
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A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
damage.  He was in shock that first day, but is probably just plain
angry by now, mostly because of the shoddy handling of the situation and
general poor maintenance, always using the cheapest labor to accomplish
the work.  Hmmm.
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        I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from
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        Ilene,
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        Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it
to have a mess quite so close. Please keep us posted.
=09
        I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's
reaction to when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work
inside. The fire fighters had to restrain him from running in to save
his manuscripts... and then later he made a front by telling the press
that it relieved him to have a blank slate with which to start over.
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?
>

Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820
should be about right on that.

-Heidi

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?<BR>
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Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820 should be about right on that.<BR>
<BR>
-Heidi</FONT></HTML>

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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?
>>
>
>
> Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820
> should be about right on that.
>
> -Heidi

Heidi,

Whoever it was (I'm now too old to remember so far back) specifically talked
about the 2nd Empire style, which is why I'm being such a snot about it.
1820's seems to me a little late for the first Empire, even, but I suppose
news traveled rather more slowly in the pre-internet days.

Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had
when you were a little girl.  I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID
have one.

Ralph

What, me crotchety?

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820 should be about right on that.<BR>
<BR>
-Heidi</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Heidi,<BR>
<BR>
Whoever it was (I'm now too old to remember so far back) specifically talked about the <U>2nd</U> Empire style, which is why I'm being such a snot about it.&nbsp; 1820's seems to me a little late for the first Empire, even, but I suppose news traveled rather more slowly in the pre-internet days.<BR>
<BR>
Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had when you were a little girl.&nbsp; I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID have one.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
What, me crotchety?<BR>
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:27:35 EST
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:13:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had
> when you were a little girl.  I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID
> have one.
>

It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space
Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high
school, thank you very much-- my mom said it was money well spent, since she
didn't feel it was necessary to help me type my papers anymore. (And just for
Dan...) it was a cute little Mac. Much more sensible machine than this PC
monster I have now.

And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in
college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system
once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in
the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*

Those were the days.

-Heidi

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:13:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had when you were a little girl.&nbsp; I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID have one.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high school, thank you very much-- my mom said it was money well spent, since she didn't feel it was necessary to help me type my papers anymore. (And just for Dan...) it was a cute little Mac. Much more sensible machine than this PC monster I have now.<BR>
<BR>
And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*<BR>
<BR>
Those were the days.<BR>
<BR>
-Heidi</FONT></HTML>

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:38:52 EST
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the
> computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*
>

Perhaps further study would have been wise.

Ralph

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*<BR>
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:52:53 EST
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In a message dated 1/30/03 6:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space
> Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high
> school

When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black
Underwood typewriter.  Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given
because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good.  Electric typewriters
were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all
learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") .  The used Underwood was all
they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my
very own typewriter.   It served me well at the time, and I still have it.
It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc.

Candy

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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high school</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black Underwood typewriter.&nbsp; Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good.&nbsp; Electric typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") .&nbsp; The used Underwood was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my very own typewriter.&nbsp;&nbsp; It served me well at the time, and I still have it.&nbsp; It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc. <BR>
<BR>
Candy</FONT></HTML>

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:03:55 EST
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black
> Underwood typewriter.  Even though it was an old one (not I might say,
> given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good.  Electric
> typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom
> - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") .  The used Underwood
> was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted!
> to have my very own typewriter.   It served me well at the time, and I
> still have it.  It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC,
> fax, scanner etc.
>

As far as I'm concerned, the best thing about computers is that they function
as an editing typewriter.

Ralph

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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black Underwood typewriter.&nbsp; Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good.&nbsp; Electric typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") .&nbsp; The used Underwood was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my very own typewriter.&nbsp;&nbsp; It served me well at the time, and I still have it.&nbsp; It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc. <BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
As far as I'm concerned, the best thing about computers is that they function as an editing typewriter.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>

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In a message dated 1/30/2003 4:54:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
> damage.

Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.

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<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water damage.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
>> damage.
>
> Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.

Hell, yes.  Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact resistant, and
everything good that PC's aren't.

Ralph

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water damage.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.&nbsp;&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hell, yes.&nbsp; Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't.&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>

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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
  In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of =
Cupertino, CA.  Talk about PC-centrics.  And no, I am not aware of =
sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of =
the Garden State kindly enlighten=20

well, I thought there was a message that contained "MAC" as some sort of =
acronym...
I guess I dreamed it?  =20
::deb searches archive::
Ok here it was....

>> "What means this HTH?  No doubt some secret MAC club equivalent"<<

now, that is not exactly clear, as to being in reference to _Macs_ , so =
please don't think I have any animosity or bias against Macs or Mac =
users -- quite the contrary; I just didn't get it....

*****
ralph, obviously you have not done your research online before allowing =
your children to venture out into the wild wild west of the information =
highway....   or you'd know sheehees are men endowed with womanly =
attributes, or maybe women endowed with manly attributes, I'm not =
entirely sure; it just gets pretty crazy from there....
cruising around on porn sites and newsgroups was quite the eyepopper for =
me, but I figured if I were going to be able to talk to the young'uns =
about the subject at my advanced age, I'd better know from whence I =
spoke....

lisa, I thought my grandmother and great aunt would disown me when I =
declined to join DAR and Eastern Star...  the ladies of the family go =
back, wayyyy back, on both sides of both sides, but that and $ .79 got =
me a cup of coffee in my advanced tomboy state as a Young Ladie trying =
to progress.... NAWIC brought me much further along in my formative =
years --
the geneology info was/is interesting though....

and I have been lurking in the corner, reading the copious mortar and =
lime messages from the archives when I have time, VALiantly struggling =
to master all the terms and projects out east here, so I won't sound =
like a complete ( !! )  rube when I speak with customers...  out of my =
midwestern element, I've been feeling kinda shy and not much to say... =
specially about things like may december trans-hemisphere relationships, =
and red shoes, and la-la-la...
for once I've had to be serious and studious about the business, the =
Really Cool projects I'm having the opportunity to work on, and about =
the political efforts I am involved with ...
(places I hold dear, are under attack from all quarters these days, both =
in the political and private sectors)

ralph, here's hoping your medical situation goes well; keep us posted?
cp in bc, keep your chin up, don't let the bastards get you down...
pyrate, WHAT the heck are you doing wit dem bones? you're provoking =
savannah steve... but it sure sounds cool anyway... how many folks can =
say they see hoops and silver on their jobs??
everybody, keep dodging that falling limestone, or cows, or whatever =
your days bring you    ;)

deborah, as I'm now known in NY, late of OH10, recently of brooklyn, and =
as ralph mentioned, soon to be living in the wilds of NJ


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Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....</DIV>
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  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In that context, Mac referred to the computers =
made by=20
  Apple of Cupertino, CA.&nbsp; Talk about PC-centrics.&nbsp; And no, I =
am not=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>well, I thought there was a message =
that contained=20
"MAC" as some sort of acronym...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess I dreamed it?&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>::deb searches archive::</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok here it was....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt; "What means this HTH?&nbsp; No doubt some secret MAC club=20
equivalent"&lt;&lt;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>now, that is not exactly clear, as to being in =
reference to=20
_Macs_ , so please don't think I have any animosity or bias against Macs =
or Mac=20
users -- quite the contrary; I just didn't get it....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>*****</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ralph, obviously you have not done your research =
online before=20
allowing your children to venture out into the wild wild west of the =
information=20
highway....&nbsp;&nbsp; or you'd know sheehees are men endowed with =
womanly=20
attributes, or maybe women endowed with manly attributes, I'm not =
entirely sure;=20
it just gets pretty crazy from there....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>cruising around on porn sites and newsgroups was =
quite the=20
eyepopper for me, but I figured if I were going to be able to talk to =
the=20
young'uns about the subject at my advanced age, I'd better know from =
whence I=20
spoke....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>lisa, I thought my grandmother and great aunt would =
disown me=20
when I declined to join DAR and Eastern Star...&nbsp; the ladies of the =
family=20
go back, wayyyy back, on both sides of both sides, but that and $ .79 =
got me a=20
cup of coffee in my advanced tomboy state as a Young Ladie trying to=20
progress.... NAWIC brought me much further along in my formative years=20
--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>the geneology info was/is interesting =
though....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and I have been lurking in the corner, reading the =
copious=20
mortar and lime messages from the archives when I have time, VALiantly=20
struggling to master all the terms and projects out east here, so I =
won't sound=20
like a complete ( !! ) &nbsp;rube when I speak with customers...&nbsp; =
out of my=20
midwestern element, I've been feeling kinda shy and not much to say... =
specially=20
about things like may december trans-hemisphere relationships, and red =
shoes,=20
and la-la-la...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>for once I've had to be serious and studious about =
the=20
business, the Really Cool projects I'm having the opportunity to work =
on, and=20
about the political efforts I am involved with ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(places I hold dear, are under attack from all =
quarters these=20
days, both in the political and private sectors)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ralph, here's hoping your medical situation goes =
well; keep us=20
posted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>cp in bc, keep your chin up, don't let the bastards =
get you=20
down...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>pyrate, WHAT the heck are you doing wit dem bones? =
you're=20
provoking savannah steve... but it sure sounds cool anyway... how many =
folks can=20
say they see hoops and silver on their jobs??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>everybody, keep dodging that falling limestone, or =
cows, or=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>deborah, as I'm now known in NY, late of OH10, =
recently of=20
brooklyn, and as&nbsp;ralph mentioned, soon to be living in the wilds of =

NJ</FONT></DIV>
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:47:08 -0800
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Kinda makes me wish I was out there so I could join ya, even though I know
it's no warmer there than it is here.  Ruth




At 3:54 PM -0500 1/29/03, Ilene R. Tyler wrote:
>We have a wonderful group, known locally as the "Preservation Ladies"
>for perceived historical reasons.  We meet once a month for lunch and
>discussion.  Most are graduates of the EMU HP program, plus a few like
>me who did not.  We have become a force to be reckoned with once riled,
>and it's great networking with a bunch of people with preservation being
>the common thread.  A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely
>come;  it really is just us Ladies.
>
>
>QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
>
>Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
>
>219 1/2 N. Main Street
>Ann Arbor, MI  48104
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>www.quinnevans.com
>v 734.663.5888
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:22:54 -0800
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Ralph,  You apparently don't really like that sort of art.  I find it
attractive and have found lots of uglier stuff hung on walls in fancy homes
and offices.  Ruth


At 9:51 AM -0500 1/30/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/2003 7:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:

These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull
train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.



Ralph,

Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.

Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and
seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive.
Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.

Ralph

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Date:         Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:03:46 -0800
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Sorry, I don't think I'd be much help, I'm still mourning the loss of the
Boston Braves.
Ruth, who thought for years she was named after Babe



At 2:53 PM -0500 1/29/03, Met History wrote:
Cross-posted from H-Urban...

From: Steven A Riess <[log in to unmask]>

I have been invited by a major publisher to edit a 600,000 word
Encyclopedia of Major League Baseball Teams.  This two-volume reference
work is intended to fill a significant gap in the reference field.  While
there are encyclopedias of individual baseball teams, this work will
consist of essays detailing the history of all the current thirty major
league teams.  The intent is for the articles to be scholarly, analytical
narratives that go beyond the recounting of team glories year by year.  My
aim is to have essays written that not only recount each team's annual
campaigns, their players, and managers, but also provide a social and
economic history of each club. I do not expect these to works of original
research.  I'm pretty sure nearly everything one would need to fulfill the
assignment is available in secondary sources. I am looking for essays that
contextualize team histories in the broader picture of sport and the
development of their histories. I am looking for essays that not only
examine the teams' performance on the field, but off the field as well. The
essays will deal in depth with the teams as urban business enterprises that
deal with labor issues, local governments and politicians, and such major
economic matters as the construction of ballparks.  Hence an essay on the
White Sox will examine Comiskey's development of his early ballparks, and
will also consider how current owners of the team secured public financing
of the ballpark. In fact, a major issue for the essays since the 1950s
would be the evolving relationship between teams and cities as owners moved
or threatened to move franchises to secure financial support from local
governments.  I also hope contributors will consider the particularistic
relationship of a team to their hometowns.

This letter is being sent to baseball experts in NASSH, who comprise a
core, but certainly not all baseball scholars.  While this project is
intellectually a feasible and significant project, there are practical
considerations.  I am looking to you for some input as to viability.  We
know there are a sufficient number of experts to undertake the project, but
there are practical considerations, namely time and money.   I am
indicating below the approximate length of contributions as I envision
them, along with compensation.  The compensation will include a stipend and
a copy of the two volume work (the encyclopedia will sell for $150 a
volume).  The stipends vary depending on the length of the contribution.
Stipends for the longer entries are real money, however, the cash
compensation is certainly far below what each author's input should merit
if I had an unlimited budget.  The publisher has budgeted $10,000 for the
thirty entries and $10,000 for visual materials. The author's sole
responsibility is to complete a first-rate essay.  All editorial work,
including indexing will be done by the publisher.  It would certainly be
possible for authors to split assignments, especially for teams like the
Braves that have moved a lot.

I am not asking anyone to commit themselves to the project, but frankly am
looking for interest or lack of interest.   Please contact me if you are
potentially interested. Please contact me if you are not interested and let
me know why.

Steve Riess
Northeastern Illinois University

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Hard copy paper is what he lost.  I don't know about his computer
preferences.  I saw his old record album collection, still in its
cabinet.  I told him to get those out and separated to make sure there
is no mold or sticking between the paper covers.  Even though the place
is dry now, there is probaby so much moisture saturating anthing that
was in there during the firefighting, a more conservation/conservative
approach was my advice.
=20
=20


QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS=20

Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA=20

219 1/2 N. Main Street=20
Ann Arbor, MI  48104=20
[log in to unmask]
www.quinnevans.com=20
v 734.663.5888=20
f 734.663.5044=20

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
        Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
=09
=09
        In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
=09
=09

                        A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all
his manuscripts to water damage.



                Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have
had a Mac.  =20

=09
=09
        Hell, yes.  Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact
resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't. =20
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        Ralph=20


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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
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  [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 =
10:28=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
  face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a=20
  message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask]
  writes:<BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
  TYPE=3D"CITE">
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
    TYPE=3D"CITE">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his =
manuscripts=20
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right,=20
    heeshee should have had a Mac.&nbsp;&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3Darial color=3D#000000 =
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  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Hell, yes.&nbsp; Everybody knows Macs are =
watertight,=20
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  <BR><BR>Ralph</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
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Properly configured, they would have put the fire out. What do you think
the Firewire port they invented is for?

_____________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic            heretics live on forever"
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Heidi Harendza wrote:

> And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks
> in college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer
> system once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber
> screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in
> the toilet. *sigh*
>
> Those were the days.
>
> -Heidi

remember dealing with a prereq course in programming by visiting, late
one friday night,  the comp lab w/ a case of coors, a bag of tacos and a
nickel bag of unnamed substance-
found a couple guys more than willing to write my program in cobalt????
who were a- appalled at the thought of someone like me sullying their
holy environs, b- not willing to give me my allotted time share & c-
more than happy to compete w/ each other to complete the assingment as
the guy who finsihed first got the baggie...

DD

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heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in college--
one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system once.
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remember dealing with a prereq course in programming by visiting, late
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I think the fire fighting features were removed as part of the deal for
the loan from Evil Bill a few years back.  That's where the rainbow
color went too.  But I still say, "cut me, do I not bleed rainbow?"

My powerbook 3400 will soon join the Quadra, the Color Classic, the
Newton, the Classic II and the Original Mac 128 (upgraded to a 512KE),
in the basement.  Its sad.  Kind of like a family tomb.

I saw a Lisa in a pile of junk in a building in need of the special
ministering of those dudes in the white space suits.  Now THAT's sad!
(That ought to separate the nubile youngsters from the old folks who
remember the band before Wings.)

-jc

On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05  AM, Becker, Dan wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ]<en Phollit
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of Ralph Walter
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard
>>> Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>
>>>> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his
>>>> manuscripts to water damage.
>>
>>
>>> Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.
>>
>>
>> Hell, yes.  Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact
>> resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't.
>
> Properly configured, they would have put the fire out. What do you
> think
> the Firewire port they invented is for?
>
> _____________________________________________________
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> Raleigh Historic            heretics live on forever"
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I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric (from
http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):


 Jefferson Airplane
Volunteers (1969)
Volunteers

Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Hey I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution Got to revolution
One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America



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ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
PICK UP THE CRY

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One of them songs I knew...and did not know.  Guess I was in the
basement at the time.

-jc

On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 03:43  PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:

> I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric
> (from
> http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):
>
>
>  Jefferson Airplane
> Volunteers (1969)
> Volunteers
>
> Look what's happening out in the streets
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Hey I'm dancing down the streets
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> One generation got old
> One generation got soul
> This generation got no destination to hold
> Pick up the cry
> Hey now it's time for you and me
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Come on now we're marching to the sea
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Who will take it from you
> We will and who are we
> We are volunteers of America
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.A. Drew Diaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
>
>
> ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
> ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
> THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
> PICK UP THE CRY
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Well folks, guess it's a song of the city, don't make no sense to me
aaatall.  Ruth




At 5:05 PM -0600 1/31/03, John Callan wrote:
>One of them songs I knew...and did not know.  Guess I was in the
>basement at the time.
>
>-jc
>
>On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 03:43  PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>
>> I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric
>> (from
>> http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):
>>
>>
>>  Jefferson Airplane
>> Volunteers (1969)
>> Volunteers
>>
>> Look what's happening out in the streets
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Hey I'm dancing down the streets
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> One generation got old
>> One generation got soul
>> This generation got no destination to hold
>> Pick up the cry
>> Hey now it's time for you and me
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Come on now we're marching to the sea
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Who will take it from you
>> We will and who are we
>> We are volunteers of America
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.A. Drew Diaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:32 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
>>
>>
>> ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
>> ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
>> THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
>> PICK UP THE CRY
>>
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