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Subject: Re: Professor Fish Socks
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In a message dated 1/27/2003 5:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Do tell, how did this name come about? Ruth
>
Ruth,
Do you, at this late date, think I make this shit up? The alleged gentleman
wore socks with images of tropical fish woven into them in a court of law in
the State of New York. I observed this with my own eyes, and it was
subsequently confirmed by more than one member of the bar. I believe, but am
not certain that, he wore these socks on the witness stand.
Ralph
PS-- Can it be that people don't wear fish socks in Vermont?
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Do you, at this late date, think I make this shit up? The alleged gentleman wore socks with images of tropical fish woven into them in a court of law in the State of New York. I observed this with my own eyes, and it was subsequently confirmed by more than one member of the bar. I believe, but am not certain that, he wore these socks on the witness stand.<BR>
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Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
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In a message dated 1/27/2003 7:27:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "Fornication Under Consent of the King."
Would that be Elvis?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Fornication Under Consent of the King." </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Subject: Re: Tear down in Northern Jersey
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In a message dated 1/27/2003 9:12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> This is a post from another list. Anyone in New Jersey familiar with this?
> Sounds like something that needs to be saved instead of some goddamn greedy
> developer who wants to put up another strip mall.
>
> Steve
>
>
Steve,
No doubt you're right. You buy it, and hire Missy Julep and me and Drew and
][<en, and we'll fix it all up for you.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/27/2003 9:12:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SCRIPT" FACE="Comic Sans MS" LANG="0">This is a post from another list. Anyone in New Jersey familiar with this? Sounds like something that needs to be saved instead of some goddamn greedy developer who wants to put up another strip mall.<BR>
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No doubt you're right. You buy it, and hire Missy Julep and me and Drew and ][<en, and we'll fix it all up for you. <BR>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:32:09 -0800
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I dunno about you, but it'd sure make me think about NOT going to that
place. Sign me Most Definately Heterosexual
At 4:41 PM -0500 1/27/03, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 1/27/03 4:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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I was kicked off another list because I used a graphic word that related to
animal droppings.
I forgot: you aren't even allowed to use a regular word that suggests a
vulgar word.
Sign me, The Lead Sentence On My Column About Staple Street Was Originally
"Staple Street? Where the Heck Is Staple Street?" But My Editor Said That
"Heck" Would Make Our Readers Think Of The Word "Hell", Which We Do Not Use
Except In Biblical References, And "Heck" Was Deleted.
PS The Same Paper Last Weekend Ran An Article About a Gay Steambath And
Noted The Presence Of "Holes Drilled Into Bathroom Partitions To Facilitate
Anonymous Gay Sex" And I'm Still Wondering About What That Is Supposed To
Make Me Think About.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:24:29 -0800
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Mark, Never fear on my account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better
known by the highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the
proper season.
At my advanced age I decided this term that I should take a college course
in children's lit. I chose the afternoon class rather than the evening one
as it fits better with caring for my Dad, etc. This means that I am in a
class with traditional college age kids. The first day the prof, who's a
really hot shit--he and I wil get along really well, asked if there were
any words we wouldn't expect to find in children's literature. One timid
little thing finally offered "bitch" in a quavering little voice. Nobody
else said anything. Not really knowing how far to go I said, "The
traditional forbidden four letter words." Prof says, "So, what are they?"
So I let 'er rip with a few while the teeny boppers sat there with their
eyes popping out. Guess they thought their generation invented those words
and us old timers never knew them. Just like my generation invented sex.
Ruth
At 4:29 PM -0500 1/27/03, Mark W. James wrote:
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Ralph, if you can't keep your cursor clean, that lady from the National
Parks Service is going to sign off. Plus Ruth. There is no need to
indulge in technial language. Yrs, Prima Donna
I know personally that one of the reasons I liked this list was the fact
that one could tell it the way it was rather than sugar-coat everything. I
feel that rude langauge is sort of expected from Ralph by now. I know that
when he was offline due to medical problems, a lot of people missed his off
white color jokes, the same as we miss the off color lifestyle of ex
President Clinton. Like it or not, Clinton was fun. Ralph is fun, and can
be helpful at times. I was kicked off another list because I used a
graphic word that related to animal droppings. Perhaps I'm wrong, but most
of what is discussed here, is also applied in the field, and any work site
brings out colorful language. In all due respect to Ruth and the lady from
the National Parks Dept., I would simply say that if we are to be monitored
for colorful language, I would just soon remove myself from the list (not
that anyone would probably care.) So shall we cast a vote?
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:39:40 -0800
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Subject: Apparently this is the week for uproar
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No doubt Cuyler's got his balls in an uproar even as we speak;
Actually, Ralph, as usual you hit a nail right on the topical head with =
mention of martinis since they are all the big news now here in BC. =
Most of the media items of the recent week centre around the Premier of =
the Province who, while in Maui for a holiday, got busted, handcuffed =
and mug-shot for drunken driving and a breath test at 1.64 on the =
roadside instrument. The papers and TV have been full of martini =
stories (he said he mixed his own at a party that night) and how many =
you have to drink to get to 1.64 and questions about whether a jerk who =
drives in the wrong lane at 90 in a 45 zone head on into oncoming =
traffic and then swerves into the bike lane for a while to avoid a car =
is trustworthy to be the great Pooh-Bah of the government. There are =
the expected questions about his ability to make good judgements, but =
mostly the populace is sitting back laughing and then forgetting all =
about it. At a press conference, he was asked if he had ever done it =
before, and amazingly his answer "I do not recall ever having done this =
before." was not jumped on with the notice that he said he didn't =
realize what he was doing during the incident in Maui either. God, even =
the press is dull witted here! However, the incident does help =
explain the insane decisions the Provincial Government has been =
decreeing this year, Historic sites, for example are being =
"Devolutionized" with bureaucrats saying with big smiles at public =
meetings that the whole point of investing millions of tax dollars into =
restoration and preservation of the places for decades has always been =
with the idea of giving them up and letting them rot one day. You bet, =
my balls are in an uproar. Maybe I should take up the taste for =
martinis to help understand this and maybe fit back into the government =
fold of nice quiet respected contractors.
Lovingly,
Cuyler
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Subject: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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Cast stone. It was very big in the 1920's, perhaps from technological
advances of which I am unaware, with expansive ads by competing companies in
the architectural journals. The variety of cast stone was, to judge by the
examples left to us on the streets of New York, amazing. The three-story
orange and brown cast stone base course of DePace & Juster's Italian
Romanesque 1100 Park Avenue (at the northwest corner of 89th and Park) is
deep and rich with surface irregularities and color variations - a near-rival
of the delicious "real" Ohio stone of 820 Park Avenue, at 75th Street, or on
the Federal Reserve bank on Liberty Street.
Am I not looking hard, or has the "art" of cast stone fallen into desuetude?
All I see is a thin gruel of fake limestone on "contextural" projects, a
miss-by-a-mile imitation of the real thing, without any depth or variation
and, even worse, with poor aging qualities, looking like cheap lineoleum in a
grimy hospital after just a few years.
Has something happened to the cast stone industry, or is it just in New
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Cast stone. It was very big in the 1920's, perhaps from technological advances of which I am unaware, with expansive ads by competing companies in the architectural journals. The variety of cast stone was, to judge by the examples left to us on the streets of New York, amazing. The three-story orange and brown cast stone base course of DePace & Juster's Italian Romanesque 1100 Park Avenue (at the northwest corner of 89th and Park) is deep and rich with surface irregularities and color variations - a near-rival of the delicious "real" Ohio stone of 820 Park Avenue, at 75th Street, or on the Federal Reserve bank on Liberty Street. <BR>
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Am I not looking hard, or has the "art" of cast stone fallen into desuetude? All I see is a thin gruel of fake limestone on "contextural" projects, a miss-by-a-mile imitation of the real thing, without any depth or variation and, even worse, with poor aging qualities, looking like cheap lineoleum in a grimy hospital after just a few years.<BR>
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Well, I'm not sure about the word, but I did hear one time that the universal symbol had to do with the English bowmen fighting the French. The middle finger was their "plucking" finger, and so any POW bowmen would have their middle finger removed. In an ect of defiance, the Englishmen would raise their middle finger and say, "Pluck this!"
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
In a message dated 1/27/2003 1:38:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
You're right about that this is an open list. It's right there in the welcome letter. As for animal droppings, I've taken to using my favourite Norman Schwartkoffism: bovine scatology! If nothing else, I baffle 'em with it.
- Pam
Well, please, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I once heard that the "F" word came from England in which one of the Kings allowed prostitution for a while, so it was called: "Fornication Under Consent of the King." Was it the Mormons who made it popular with polygamy? Did I say that, oh no.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well, I'm not sure about the word, but I did hear one time
that the universal symbol had to do with the English bowmen fighting the
French. The middle finger was their "plucking" finger, and so any POW
bowmen would have their middle finger removed. In an ect of defiance, the
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 1/27/2003 1:38:52 PM Pacific Standard
Time, <A
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TYPE="CITE">You're right about that this is an open list. It's right
there in the welcome letter. As for animal droppings, I've taken to
using my favourite Norman Schwartkoffism: bovine scatology! If nothing
else, I baffle 'em with it.</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">- Pam</FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Well, please, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I
once heard that the "F" word came from England in which one of the Kings
allowed prostitution for a while, so it was called: "Fornication Under Consent
of the King." Was it the Mormons who made it popular with
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I've never been one for buttermilk, except in pancakes. Tried goat's milk once, straight from the goat. Couldn't understand the desire. However, a good goat's milk cheese and a bagette from the Union Sq. Farmer's Market (does that still exist?) make for a great lunch walking up Park Ave. South - where I used to work. As for cold showers, in my book they're only useful on August nights when the temperature is 85 and it's midnight and there's no croos breeze.
The car supposedly has a bad fuel switch, which might explain why my car konked out in the exact same spot on the thruway. The mechanic suggested I find another route to work. To them it's coincidental that it was cold and there were a lot of gelled diesels. I don't think anything in cars is coincidental. Must be my inherent cynicism. So, maybe the mechanic is from California. He sounds blond, at the very least.
Little and big Pams alike are feeling much better, thank you. Best to you with the doctors.
Sign me,
The always theoretically concerned Pam
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From: Ralph Walter
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Buttermilk and goat's milk are also on the list of things I've mistakenly drunk once in my life, and will never willingly go near again. Also, I gave away my lifetime supply of cold showers; I had a roommate in College who liked them, so I told him he could have all mine. On the other hand, I have learned to like beer, so it's not as if I am 1000% resistant to change, as most people who know me believe.
Your car shit sounds extremely distressing. I thought you dopes who live up in the North Woods know all about all this cold weather shit, and would have thought your mechanics know about car shit in cold weather. What are they, a bunch of California beach bunnies like me?
Hope the Little Pams are done puking, and that you and the woggish Mr. Pam are OK, digestively speaking.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I've never been one for buttermilk, except in pancakes.
Tried goat's milk once, straight from the goat. Couldn't understand the
desire. However, a good goat's milk cheese and a bagette from the Union
Sq. Farmer's Market (does that still exist?) make for a great lunch walking up
Park Ave. South - where I used to work. As for cold showers, in my book
they're only useful on August nights when the temperature is 85 and it's
midnight and there's no croos breeze.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The car supposedly has a bad fuel switch, which might explain
why my car konked out in the exact same spot on the thruway. The mechanic
suggested I find another route to work. To them it's coincidental that it
was cold and there were a lot of gelled diesels. I don't think anything in
cars is coincidental. Must be my inherent cynicism. So, maybe the
mechanic is from California. He sounds blond, at the very
least.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Little and big Pams alike are feeling much better, thank
you. Best to you with the doctors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sign me, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The always theoretically concerned</FONT><FONT size=2>
Pam</FONT></DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Buttermilk and goat's milk are also on the list of things
I've mistakenly drunk once in my life, and will never willingly go near
again. Also, I gave away my lifetime supply of cold showers; I had a
roommate in College who liked them, so I told him he could have all
mine. On the other hand, I have learned to like beer, so it's not as if
I am 1000% resistant to change, as most people who know me
believe.<BR><BR>Your car shit sounds extremely distressing. I thought
you dopes who live up in the North Woods know all about all this cold weather
shit, and would have thought your mechanics know about car shit in cold
weather. What are they, a bunch of California beach bunnies like
me?<BR></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Hope the Little Pams are done puking, and that you and the
woggish Mr. Pam are OK, digestively
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:31:31 -0600
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I heard that they just wear the fish on there feet without any socks in
Vermont, Is this true Ruth?
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From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:12 PM
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In a message dated 1/27/2003 5:21:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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Do tell, how did this name come about? Ruth
Ruth,
Do you, at this late date, think I make this shit up? The alleged gentleman
wore socks with images of tropical fish woven into them in a court of law in
the State of New York. I observed this with my own eyes, and it was
subsequently confirmed by more than one member of the bar. I believe, but
am not certain that, he wore these socks on the witness stand.
Ralph
PS-- Can it be that people don't wear fish socks in Vermont?
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<DIV><SPAN class=117543013-28012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
heard that they just wear the fish on there feet without any socks in Vermont,
Is this true Ruth?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 9:12
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Re: Professor Fish Socks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT
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Ruth<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Ruth,<BR><BR>Do you, at this late date, think I
make this shit up? The alleged gentleman wore socks with images of
tropical fish woven into them in a court of law in the State of New
York. I observed this with my own eyes, and it was subsequently
confirmed by more than one member of the bar. I believe, but am not
certain that, he wore these socks on the witness
stand.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR><BR>PS-- Can it be that people don't wear fish socks in
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:34:02 -0500
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Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the road! I'm not sure though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in August.
- Pam
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Mark, Never fear on my account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better
known by the highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the
proper season.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the
road! I'm not sure though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in
August.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Mark, Never fear on my account.
Where I'm at the animal droppings, better<BR>known by the highly technical
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:36:43 -0500
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I think I'll delete this email ;-) All in good fun, of course.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I think I'll delete this email ;-) All in good fun, of
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lovingly,</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:06:03 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:52 AM
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>=20
> Has something happened to the cast stone industry, or is it=20
> just in New York?
From my point of view, it is everywhere, and certainly not restricted to
cast stone. See any number of ]<en's tracts bemoaning the loss of
craftsmanship. Any of these treatments are pretty much nearly lost to
the ages. Concrete work especially has lost any semblance of art. It
seems that no one cares anymore. Boo hoo hoo.
The drive to standardization and economization strike me as the death
knell. These trends are what drove down the demand for craftsmen. See
any number of Ruskin's tracts railing against the loss of craftsmanship.
Now the client doesn't even know they can have it different if they wish
to pay for it. Of course, none wish to pay for it, so it's pain they
don't feel. Our society has anesthetized itself.
We have an addition going up on the 1920s school in one of our historic
districts; it is composed of rough-textured wire cut dark earth tone
craftsman-style brick with cast concrete window sills, inset cast
concrete lozenges, and concrete parapet. The sample cast concrete sills
and lozenges in the mock-up panel are a good color match, but the
texture is simply not there. The original has a sand surface texture,
the sample is smooth as a baby's bottom [can I say that here?]. Same
with the mortar, which is very gritty and textural in the original, and
smooth bag cement in the sample. I jokingly told the jobsite supervisor
that if we could just beat the sills with a chain, we could antique them
better to match the originals.=20
I think he's under a lot of stress on this job. After I left, he
immediately called the design architect and told him that I wanted the
sills beat up.
I want something beat up over this, but not the sills. There's a lost
art to getting them the right patina...administering beatings with
chains is not it.
_____________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Conformists die, but
Raleigh Historic heretics live on forever"
Districts Commission -- Elbert Hubbard
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:50:51 EST
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Subject: American Lime Conference in Monroe, VA
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American Lime Conference in Monroe, VA
March 1 and 2, 2003=20
Overview of speakers:
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John Robbins
National Park Service
=E2=80=9CThe Role of the National Park Service in Historic Preservation=E2=
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Paul Livesey=20
Castle Cement/Heidelberg Cement=20
=E2=80=9CEarly Cements: the Binder of 1890-1910=E2=80=9D=20
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Professor John Ashurst=20
Ingram Consultancy=20
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Planning=E2=80=9D=20
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Jeff Baker=20
Mesick Cohen Wilson Baker Architects
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Research=E2=80=9D
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John Mesick
Mesick Cohen Wilson Baker Architects
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Research=E2=80=9D
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Patricia Gibbons=20
Scottish Lime Centre Trust=20
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Execution=E2=80=9D=20
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John D. Addison, Chartered Civil Engineer and Conservation Engineer =20
Peter Stephens & Partners=20
=E2=80=9CTake the Strain...Gently, Please!=E2=80=9D=20
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William A. Revie=20
Construction Materials Consultants Ltd.=20
=E2=80=9CWhy the Engineer needs the Material Scientist=E2=80=9D=20
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Ken Duce
National Park Service-Denver Service Center
=E2=80=9CThe Preservation of Historic Defenses=E2=80=9D=20
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Mary Catherine Martin
Lord Aeck Sargent Architects, Atlanta, GA
=E2=80=9CThe Preservation of Historic Defenses=E2=80=9D
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Judith Bischoff=20
National Park Service-Harpers Ferry Center=20
=E2=80=9CBiological Growth on Historic Structures=E2=80=9D=20
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Shelley Sass
Sass Conservation/New York University
=E2=80=9CBiological Growth on Historic Structures=E2=80=9D=20
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March 1 and 2, 2003 <BR>
<BR>
Overview of speakers:<BR>
<BR>
John Robbins<BR>
National Park Service<BR>
=E2=80=9CThe Role of the National Park Service in Historic Preservation=E2=
=80=9D<BR>
<BR>
Paul Livesey <BR>
Castle Cement/Heidelberg Cement <BR>
=E2=80=9CEarly Cements: the Binder of 1890-1910=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
Professor John Ashurst <BR>
Ingram Consultancy <BR>
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Planning=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
Jeff Baker <BR>
Mesick Cohen Wilson Baker Architects<BR>
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Research=E2=80=9D<BR>
<BR>
John Mesick<BR>
Mesick Cohen Wilson Baker Architects<BR>
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Research=E2=80=9D<BR>
<BR>
Patricia Gibbons <BR>
Scottish Lime Centre Trust <BR>
=E2=80=9CHistoric Masonry Preservation: Execution=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
John D. Addison, Chartered Civil Engineer and Conservation Engineer <B=
R>
Peter Stephens & Partners <BR>
=E2=80=9CTake the Strain...Gently, Please!=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
William A. Revie <BR>
Construction Materials Consultants Ltd. <BR>
=E2=80=9CWhy the Engineer needs the Material Scientist=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
Ken Duce<BR>
National Park Service-Denver Service Center<BR>
=E2=80=9CThe Preservation of Historic Defenses=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
Mary Catherine Martin<BR>
Lord Aeck Sargent Architects, Atlanta, GA<BR>
=E2=80=9CThe Preservation of Historic Defenses=E2=80=9D<BR>
<BR>
Judith Bischoff <BR>
National Park Service-Harpers Ferry Center <BR>
=E2=80=9CBiological Growth on Historic Structures=E2=80=9D <BR>
<BR>
Shelley Sass<BR>
Sass Conservation/New York University<BR>
=E2=80=9CBiological Growth on Historic Structures=E2=80=9D <BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:20:02 EST
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Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
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In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:47:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> "Holes Drilled Into Bathroom Partitions To Facilitate Anonymous Gay Sex"
>
> At the risk of bringing up lunch yet again, I seem to remember seeing an,
> uh, educational film in my yout' (while at Columbia) which depicted
> semi-anonymous heterosexual congress conducted through a hole in a toilet
> partition. While interesting, there were limitations to its appeal.
>
> Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/27/2003 11:47:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Holes Drilled Into Bathroom Partitions To Facilitate Anonymous Gay Sex" <BR>
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At the risk of bringing up lunch yet again, I seem to remember seeing an, uh, educational film in my yout' (while at Columbia) which depicted semi-anonymous heterosexual congress conducted through a hole in a toilet partition. While interesting, there were limitations to its appeal.<BR>
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> Premier of the Province who, while in Maui for a holiday, got busted,
> handcuffed and mug-shot for drunken driving and a breath test at 1.64 on
> the roadside instrument.
Cuyler,
How nice to know that government officials up there, which we tend to think
of as merely boring, are in fact every bit as stupid as our generally more
loudmouthed officials down here. On the other hand, my longstanding view of
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Premier of the Province who, while in Maui for a holiday, got busted, handcuffed and mug-shot for drunken driving and a breath test at 1.64 on the roadside instrument.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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How nice to know that government officials up there, which we tend to think of as merely boring, are in fact every bit as stupid as our generally more loudmouthed officials down here. On the other hand, my longstanding view of communism is that if capitalism is as fucked up as we know it to be, how much unspeakably worse must communism be?<BR>
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In a message dated 1/28/2003 9:07:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Same with the mortar, which is very gritty and textural in the original, and
> smooth bag cement in the sample.
Dan,
Bet it's got that lovely green tint that new cementitious products always
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I'm sure that having the same email address for 7 yrs doesn't help...
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In a message dated 1/28/2003 6:07:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> The drive to standardization and economization strike me as the death
> knell. These trends are what drove down the demand for craftsmen. See
> any number of Ruskin's tracts railing against the loss of craftsmanship.
>
There was a time in America when the craftsman was in great demand, and
valued. Then again, the craftsman was true, and not pretending to be
something he wasn't as we have all seen the effects. Unfortunately, many of
the old tricks and skills were buried with the men who held them as trade
secrets. That is why it is important to participate in some of the groups
that are doing something about it like PTN, and Virginia Lime Works. (No I
wasn't paid to say that.) They promote sharing of skills. Back in the old
days it was just as expensive for the creation as it is today, but the values
of people were different. So much of what goes on display is fake, much like
the people who possess the display. It isn't what they personally value
anymore, but rather what they think their neigbors value, which gives them a
false sense of acceptance. Is the key not in education? Educating the
craftsman and educating the client.
I was told while doing trade shows that the products I was offering were
being scoped out by others only to be mass produced at a later date. In
Matthew we read "Where your treasure is, that's where your heart will be
also." It seems the treasure is money in most cases. Sad but true.
Anything that becomes popular is soon mass produced and on sale at Walmart.
So everyone can display a fake, for their fake egos to impress their fake
friends.
You were probably right in that beating with a chain restored the sill,
however, as is true with most application, one should do it at night, unseen
by fake eyes, that begat critical mouths. Then again, maybe i have missed
the point all together.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The drive to standardization and economization strike me as the death<BR>
knell. These trends are what drove down the demand for craftsmen. See<BR>
any number of Ruskin's tracts railing against the loss of craftsmanship.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
There was a time in America when the craftsman was in great demand, and valued. Then again, the craftsman was true, and not pretending to be something he wasn't as we have all seen the effects. Unfortunately, many of the old tricks and skills were buried with the men who held them as trade secrets. That is why it is important to participate in some of the groups that are doing something about it like PTN, and Virginia Lime Works. (No I wasn't paid to say that.) They promote sharing of skills. Back in the old days it was just as expensive for the creation as it is today, but the values of people were different. So much of what goes on display is fake, much like the people who possess the display. It isn't what they personally value anymore, but rather what they think their neigbors value, which gives them a false sense of acceptance. Is the key not in education? Educating the craftsman and educating the client.<BR>
<BR>
I was told while doing trade shows that the products I was offering were being scoped out by others only to be mass produced at a later date. In Matthew we read "Where your treasure is, that's where your heart will be also." It seems the treasure is money in most cases. Sad but true. Anything that becomes popular is soon mass produced and on sale at Walmart. So everyone can display a fake, for their fake egos to impress their fake friends.<BR>
<BR>
You were probably right in that beating with a chain restored the sill, however, as is true with most application, one should do it at night, unseen by fake eyes, that begat critical mouths. Then again, maybe i have missed the point all together.<BR>
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There's a lost art to getting them the right patina...administering beatings
with chains is not it.
Dan,
If you can induce Twybil he may tell you his story about the chain beated
board.
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:38 PM
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> Bet it's got that lovely green tint that new cementitious=20
> products always seem to have, too.
No, actually the color they tried is nowhere near the original color of
cold grey white; theirs was a light tan/beige the color of new baby
soiled diapers.
> Gotta go puke now.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:47:25 EST
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Has something happened to the cast stone industry, or is it just in New
York?
A lot has happened to the cast stone industry... mostly it is driven by who
pays for it (the market) and what those who pay want done in respect of how
much they want to pay. There is an industry association and they do technical
research and issue publications and hold conferences.
The big money in cast stone (concrete castings) though I think is in concrete
pipe. Concrete pipe leads to capital that can in turn be invested in
aesthetic work, and so often you have firms that actually know a lot about
concrete pipe who decide to venture into aesthetic work as a market niche.
They may know about concrete pipe, but they know less about aesthetics, and
when they venture into histo presto they may know even less. If you look at
the surface area of a concrete pipe you may notice that it is not exactly
exciting stuff.
If there is no capital driven market for cast stone then it will not be
explored as a creative medium, setting aside the brilliant recent
developments in lawn elves, frogs, and prancing deer.
It is a challenge to imitate an existing manufactured product and make it
look authentic to the original. There are less than a handfull of small
manufacturers who have over the last 15 years, at least in the NYC market,
developed their skills specific to the histo presto market, such as Alan Barr
with Town House Restorations. The "brownstone" steps on the New 42dn Street
Theater are a good example.
I enjoy the challenge of repairing damaged cast stone, either historic or
new, and making it look whole. An early attempt for us at this was on the 2nd
Ave. Theater where we had to make Salmon colored patches and work chips of
white marble into them. In some respects on the theater it worked, in some
areas it continues to look like ____. That project was a classic in nightmare
management... connected with the site foreman who was caught naked by the
esteemed resident out on a Penthouse terrace at his previous project. When
concrete pipe manufaturers make limestone headers for windows on new work it
is amazing how the installers chip, scrape and otherwise muck up the pieces,
including leaving upsidedown black boot prints. So you get a 25 story school
at Battery Park with a brick & precast/limestone skin with mucked up headers
on the first floor, that obviously cannot be removed, and an architect with a
hard __ and the power of "punch list" holding up $500,000. Sometimes you can
make a lot of money with a bucket of colored mud.
Another answer to your question is GFRC. Lighter, easier, faster in
production and installation. New construction in general wants less expense,
and if there is going to be an expense for new construction, then it is more
likely that premium products, such as natural stone would be used.
Cast stone rarely seems to exist for the aesthetic possiblities of the
material in and of itself, but as a faux representation of other masonry
materials such as stone or terra cotta.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Has something happened to the cast stone industry, or is it just in New York?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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A lot has happened to the cast stone industry... mostly it is driven by who pays for it (the market) and what those who pay want done in respect of how much they want to pay. There is an industry association and they do technical research and issue publications and hold conferences.<BR>
<BR>
The big money in cast stone (concrete castings) though I think is in concrete pipe. Concrete pipe leads to capital that can in turn be invested in aesthetic work, and so often you have firms that actually know a lot about concrete pipe who decide to venture into aesthetic work as a market niche. They may know about concrete pipe, but they know less about aesthetics, and when they venture into histo presto they may know even less. If you look at the surface area of a concrete pipe you may notice that it is not exactly exciting stuff.<BR>
<BR>
If there is no capital driven market for cast stone then it will not be explored as a creative medium, setting aside the brilliant recent developments in lawn elves, frogs, and prancing deer.<BR>
<BR>
It is a challenge to imitate an existing manufactured product and make it look authentic to the original. There are less than a handfull of small manufacturers who have over the last 15 years, at least in the NYC market, developed their skills specific to the histo presto market, such as Alan Barr with Town House Restorations. The "brownstone" steps on the New 42dn Street Theater are a good example.<BR>
<BR>
I enjoy the challenge of repairing damaged cast stone, either historic or new, and making it look whole. An early attempt for us at this was on the 2nd Ave. Theater where we had to make Salmon colored patches and work chips of white marble into them. In some respects on the theater it worked, in some areas it continues to look like ____. That project was a classic in nightmare management... connected with the site foreman who was caught naked by the esteemed resident out on a Penthouse terrace at his previous project. When concrete pipe manufaturers make limestone headers for windows on new work it is amazing how the installers chip, scrape and otherwise muck up the pieces, including leaving upsidedown black boot prints. So you get a 25 story school at Battery Park with a brick & precast/limestone skin with mucked up headers on the first floor, that obviously cannot be removed, and an architect with a hard __ and the power of "punch list" holding up $500,000. Sometimes you can make a lot of money with a bucket of colored mud.<BR>
<BR>
Another answer to your question is GFRC. Lighter, easier, faster in production and installation. New construction in general wants less expense, and if there is going to be an expense for new construction, then it is more likely that premium products, such as natural stone would be used. <BR>
<BR>
Cast stone rarely seems to exist for the aesthetic possiblities of the material in and of itself, but as a faux representation of other masonry materials such as stone or terra cotta.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:47:23 EST
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Historic sites, for example are being "Devolutionized" with bureaucrats
saying with big smiles at public meetings that the whole point of investing
millions of tax dollars into restoration and preservation of the places for
decades has always been with the idea of giving them up and letting them rot
one day.
Cuyler,
This reminds me of a black bear restoration program in Vermont I saw on TV
and how this guy raised three cubs, they were so cute, and then when they
were not so cute he let them go into the wild, with radio beacon collars and
all worried they would not get on too well in NATURE, and then they showed
another guy, what looked like a poor sap in hunting gear that could have been
Sharphooter's plumber, that shot the male bear -- the great hunter was almost
crying, least I imagined he was, while describing how he made the decision to
shoot, a very clinical, "If the bear moves towards me into that clearing
where I can get a clean shot then I shot him." So then I imagine all the
wildlife restoration folk told the guy the "long story", about the time he
got the radio beacon touting bear hauled out of his PU and into the
taxidermist's shop -- if the story and his infamous anti-PETA appearance on
PBS did not drive him to drink I don't know what would.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Historic sites, for example are being "Devolutionized" with bureaucrats saying with big smiles at public meetings that the whole point of investing millions of tax dollars into restoration and preservation of the places for decades has always been with the idea of giving them up and letting them rot one day. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Cuyler,<BR>
<BR>
This reminds me of a black bear restoration program in Vermont I saw on TV and how this guy raised three cubs, they were so cute, and then when they were not so cute he let them go into the wild, with radio beacon collars and all worried they would not get on too well in NATURE, and then they showed another guy, what looked like a poor sap in hunting gear that could have been Sharphooter's plumber, that shot the male bear -- the great hunter was almost crying, least I imagined he was, while describing how he made the decision to shoot, a very clinical, "If the bear moves towards me into that clearing where I can get a clean shot then I shot him." So then I imagine all the wildlife restoration folk told the guy the "long story", about the time he got the radio beacon touting bear hauled out of his PU and into the taxidermist's shop -- if the story and his infamous anti-PETA appearance on PBS did not drive him to drink I don't know what would.<BR>
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So I let 'er rip with a few while the teeny boppers sat there with their eyes
popping out.
Ruth,
We LOVE you!
Can't wait for your series of BP children's stories...
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Ruth,<BR>
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We LOVE you!<BR>
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Can't wait for your series of BP children's stories...<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:47:20 EST
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"So shall we cast a vote?"
BP has RULES... and has always had rules... concerning the use of obscene
language... Rule #5 Blatant obscenity is discouraged, the expectation is that
you will make an effort to be creative.
Please take note of the requirement for "creative" use of vulgar words. It is
through the creative spirit that foul and disgusting words transend
themselves into art. Let us not speak foul in folly, but speak in earnest and
with a measured cadence to elicit smiles and trembles, before earning
ourselves disgust and the weighted acrimony of lurkers.
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BP has RULES... and has always had rules... concerning the use of obscene language... Rule #5 Blatant obscenity is discouraged, the expectation is that you will make an effort to be creative.<BR>
<BR>
Please take note of the requirement for "creative" use of vulgar words. It is through the creative spirit that foul and disgusting words transend themselves into art. Let us not speak foul in folly, but speak in earnest and with a measured cadence to elicit smiles and trembles, before earning ourselves disgust and the weighted acrimony of lurkers.<BR>
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]<en:
As I was reading your latest email related to keeping it clean, another
email arrived. The timing was perfect and it was too good to not pass on to
the BP family.
I will not provide the complete message, just the punch line ... which is
....... [Image]
How is that for basic humor.
JBB
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<p><font color="#000099">As I was reading your latest email related to
keeping it clean, another email arrived. The timing was perfect and it
was too good to not pass on to the BP family.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
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the punch line ... which is ....... </font><img SRC="cid:part1.3E36E20A.435FFF43@PRGinc.com" height=22 width=25><font color="#000099"></font>
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]<en:
As I was reading your latest email related to keeping it clean, another
email arrived. The timing was perfect and it was too good to not pass on to
the BP family.
I will not provide the complete message, just the punch line ... which is
....... [Image]
How is that for basic humor.
JBB
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<font color="#000099">]<en:</font>
<p><font color="#000099">As I was reading your latest email related to
keeping it clean, another email arrived. The timing was perfect and it
was too good to not pass on to the BP family.</font>
<p><font color="#000099">I will not provide the complete message, just
the punch line ... which is ....... </font><img SRC="cid:part1.3E36E21B.A3DC97AE@PRGinc.com" height=22 width=25>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:06:21 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 26 Jan 2003 to 28 Jan
2003(#2003-27)
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DD -
Is inre andthing like inri? (rhetorical question ;-))
- Pam
Please keep us advised inre anti-spam filter....
DD
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Is inre andthing like inri? (rhetorical question
;-))</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:17:17 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A response to ]<en
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In a message dated 1/28/03 3:14:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> ....... How is that for basic humor.
>
Dear JBB: I have forwarded on your message to:
FROM THE DESK OF GODWIN EMEKA.
ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD.,
LAGOS-NIGERIA.
DEAR SIR,
STRICTLY A PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL .I AM GODWIN EMEKA, THE MANAGER, BILL
AND EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE ZENITH INTERNATIONAL
BANK LTD. .....
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/28/03 3:14:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000099" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">....... <IMG SRC="cid:X.MA1.1043785037@aol.com" ID="MA1.1043785037" WIDTH="25" HEIGHT="22" BORDER="0"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000099" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">How is that for basic humor.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Dear JBB: I have forwarded on your message to:
<BR>
<BR>FROM THE DESK OF GODWIN EMEKA.
<BR>ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD.,
<BR>LAGOS-NIGERIA.
<BR>
<BR>DEAR SIR,
<BR>
<BR>STRICTLY A PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL .I AM GODWIN EMEKA, THE MANAGER, BILL AND EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD. .....
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:42:07 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A response to ]<en
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I knew this was going to cause me trouble.
So .. back to my 'Lurkers Corner', HEY .... who took my seat.
====================
Met History wrote:
> In a message dated 1/28/03 3:14:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>> ....... [Image] How is that for basic humor.
>
>
> Dear JBB: I have forwarded on your message to:
>
> FROM THE DESK OF GODWIN EMEKA.
> ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD.,
> LAGOS-NIGERIA.
>
> DEAR SIR,
>
> STRICTLY A PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL .I AM GODWIN EMEKA, THE MANAGER,
> BILL AND EXCHANGE AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE ZENITH
> INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD. .....
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<font color="#000099">I knew this was going to cause me trouble.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">So .. back to my 'Lurkers Corner', HEY ....
who took my seat.</font><font color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">====================</font>
<p>Met History wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Times New Roman"><font size=-1>In a message
dated 1/28/03 3:14:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>....... <img SRC="cid:part1.3E36EB1F.3043E474@PRGinc.com" BORDER=0 ID="MA1.1043785037" height=22 width=25></font></font><font size=+0><font color="#000000">
</font><font color="#000099">How is that for basic humor.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><br><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Dear
JBB: I have forwarded on your message to:</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>FROM
THE DESK OF GODWIN EMEKA.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>ZENITH
INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD.,</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>LAGOS-NIGERIA.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>DEAR
SIR,</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>STRICTLY
A PRIVATE BUSINESS PROPOSAL .I AM GODWIN EMEKA, THE MANAGER, BILL AND EXCHANGE
AT THE FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPARTMENT OF THE ZENITH INTERNATIONAL BANK LTD.
.....</font></font></font></blockquote>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:57:17 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A response to ]<en
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How is that for basic humor.
Bryan: Excellent! Reminds me of someone inspecting the sidewalk for BBgum. ][<
en
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:06:59 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A response to ]<en
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Is that for restoring antique BBGum? Must be a once in a leaftime occurrence.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Follett
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: A response to ]<en
How is that for basic humor.
Bryan: Excellent! Reminds me of someone inspecting the sidewalk for BBgum. ][<en
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Is that for restoring antique BBGum? Must be a once in a
leaftime occurrence.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ken Follett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 4:57
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color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:29:03 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/28/2003 1:29:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >Gotta go puke now.
>
> HTH.
>
Is HTH like Dillyfag or whatever that acronym was last week? I feel so
sheltered.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>Gotta go puke now.<BR>
<BR>
HTH.<BR>
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Is HTH like Dillyfag or whatever that acronym was last week? I feel so sheltered.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:00:52 -0500
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: "Becker, Dan" <[log in to unmask]>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Walter
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:29 PM
>=20
>=20
> Is HTH like Dillyfag or whatever that acronym was last week?
> I feel so sheltered.
Dear Mr. Al Thiemer:
Do you need to turn up your hearing aid more? I know that you don't like
to appear vain, so you tend to just nod your head as though you
understood, even when that is not the case. This from the BP Archives,
not more than 90 days ago, during our discussion of your 20th
Anniversary Mac:
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:38:52 EST
Reply-To: maybe this could fall apart after the checks clear
<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS>
Sender: maybe this could fall apart after the checks clear
<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Interim rule #4
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In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> HTH,
What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club equivalent to the
Pinhead Salute.
Ralph
---------------
To which I replied:
> What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club
> equivalent to the Pinhead Salute.
Hope this helps you figure it out.
Again.
__________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Oh joy! Rapture! Now
Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
Districts Commission - Scarecrow
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:14:33 -0500
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From: Lisa Sasser <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online.
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Dear Mr. James,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>On behalf of any ladies from the <STRONG>National Park Service</STRONG>,<STRONG> </STRONG>whose delicate sensibilities you may have felt compelled by your gentlemanly instincts to protect from "colorful language", we have indeed been exposed the epostulatory capabilites of carpenters from Keedsyville and sundry other points, and emerged unbesmirched by the experience. With our virtue intact, we have indeed assimilated said "colorful language" in myriad mother tongues.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Don't worry about it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Lisa</FONT><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></DIV></FONT>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In all due respect to Ruth and the lady from the National Parks Dept., I would simply say that if we are to be monitored for colorful language, I would just soon remove myself from the list (not that anyone would probably care.) So shall we cast a vote? <BR><BR>MJ</FONT> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:40:32 -0800
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Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online.
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Our BC Provincial Parks system today announced a solution to the =
language situation. Along with putting the Provincial Parks (like State =
Parks) up for bid by private enterprise (just like the Heritage Branch =
is now doing with historic sites), they also eliminated all Parks =
Interpretation Programs. There will now be no official language at all =
in the Parks.
cp in silent bc
ladies from the National Park Service, whose delicate sensibilities =
you may have felt compelled by your gentlemanly instincts to protect =
from "colorful language",
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Our BC Provincial Parks =
system today=20
announced a solution to the language situation. Along=20
with putting the Provincial Parks (like State Parks) up =
for bid=20
by private enterprise (just like the Heritage Branch is now doing =
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historic sites), they also eliminated all Parks Interpretation=20
Programs. There will now be no official language at =
all in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cp in silent bc</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:17:32 -0500
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Bruce, you lurker. You're right, my brain was out to lunch. I guess I was thinking of Oklahoma!
- Pam
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From: Bruce Marcham
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Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: "It's cold again...but hot online."
I think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc. making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar tit" as Deb's mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a "safe" expletive) on your surrey (with or without fringe on top) you might have a horse with a very bad problem.
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From: Pam Stevenson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
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Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the road! I'm not sure though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in August.
- Pam
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From: Ruth Barton
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
Mark, Never fear on my account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better
known by the highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the
proper season.
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Bruce, you lurker. You're right, my brain was out to
lunch. I guess I was thinking of Oklahoma!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Bruce Marcham</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A [log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:13
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: "It's cold again...but hot
online."</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=570405723-28012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc.
making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar tit" as Deb's
mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a "safe" expletive) on your
surrey (with or without fringe on top) you might have a horse with a very bad
problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Pam Stevenson [<A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: "It's cold
again...but hot online."<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the
road! I'm not sure though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in
August.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ruth Barton</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 10:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: "It's cold again...but hot
online."</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Mark, Never fear on my
account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better<BR>known by the
highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the<BR>proper
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:19:32 -0500
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Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's case.
- Pam
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From: Becker, Dan
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Walter
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:29 PM
>
>
> Is HTH like Dillyfag or whatever that acronym was last week?
> I feel so sheltered.
Dear Mr. Al Thiemer:
Do you need to turn up your hearing aid more? I know that you don't like
to appear vain, so you tend to just nod your head as though you
understood, even when that is not the case. This from the BP Archives,
not more than 90 days ago, during our discussion of your 20th
Anniversary Mac:
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:38:52 EST
Reply-To: maybe this could fall apart after the checks clear
<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS>
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<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:50:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> HTH,
What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club equivalent to the
Pinhead Salute.
Ralph
---------------
To which I replied:
> What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club
> equivalent to the Pinhead Salute.
Hope this helps you figure it out.
Again.
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Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's
case.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A [log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Becker, Dan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 6:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without
Sin....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Ralph
Walter<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:29 PM<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Is HTH like Dillyfag or whatever that acronym was last week?<BR>>
I feel so sheltered.<BR><BR>Dear Mr. Al Thiemer:<BR><BR>Do you need to turn up
your hearing aid more? I know that you don't like<BR>to appear vain, so you
tend to just nod your head as though you<BR>understood, even when that is not
the case. This from the BP Archives,<BR>not more than 90 days ago, during our
discussion of your 20th<BR>Anniversary
Mac:<BR><BR>Date: Wed, 30 Oct
2002 10:38:52 EST<BR>Reply-To: maybe this could fall
apart after the checks
clear<BR>
<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS><BR>Sender:
maybe this could fall apart after the checks
clear<BR>
<BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS><BR>From:
Ralph Walter <<A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: Interim rule #4<BR><BR><BR><BR>Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;<BR><BR><BR>In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:50:26 AM
Eastern Standard Time,<BR><A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>> HTH,<BR><BR>What means this HTH? No doubt some
secret MAC club equivalent to the<BR>Pinhead
Salute.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR><BR>---------------<BR><BR>To which I
replied:<BR><BR>> What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC
club<BR>> equivalent to the Pinhead Salute.<BR><BR>Hope this helps you
figure it
out.<BR><BR>Again.<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Dan
Becker, Exec. Dir. "Oh joy! Rapture!
Now<BR>Raleigh
Historic I
have a brain!"<BR>Districts
Commission
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:37:58 -0500
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:07:09 EST
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In a message dated 1/29/03 8:40:33 AM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? I get the notice, but
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Hmmm. Might be a good idea. Sign me, There Are No Bad Words, Only Evil
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:10:32 -0500
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deletedIlene -
We've had something recently on one of our home PCs, which is schizophrenic and has multiple email ids on it, whereby we retrieve the mail, but the contents are missing. If we shut down the email and restart it (Outlook Express), it seems then to show the contents just fine.
- Pam
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ilene -</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>We've had something recently on one of our home PCs, which is
schizophrenic and has multiple email ids on it, whereby we retrieve the mail,
but the contents are missing. If we shut down the email and restart it
(Outlook Express), it seems then to show the contents just fine.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Why would my email server no longer accept BP
email? Is there something changed on your end? We have a new spam
filter, but I've asked about whether this blocks BP specifically, or just the
digest mode. I get the notice, but the contents are
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS</FONT> </P>
<P><B><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA</FONT></B> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>219 1/2 N. Main Street</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
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"Ilene R. Tyler" wrote:
> Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? Is there
> something changed on your end? We have a new spam filter,
Artificial intelligence, or at least artificial good taste
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:01:47 -0600
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I have read of, and been told tales of, the contributions made by
various Ladies to the beginnings of preservation. So much of the
credit in the creation myths of preservation are heaped upon the
several male individuals enthroned at certain institutions of learning,
collecting and amusement. But I rise to acknowledge the contribution
made by the Ladies past and present. I would not refuse them the
credit, nor the mud, the blood, the beer, nor the colorful technical
language. (Not that I'm capable of watching my language that
carefully.)
What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR
and the current Ladies of the NPS!
It feels alright. I don't think my head will explode.
Back to work. Let's make history!
(I know Bryan...but I love to say it!)
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:35:40 EST
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 5:40:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? Is there something
> changed on your end? We have a new spam filter, but I've asked about
> whether this blocks BP specifically, or just the digest mode. I get the
> notice, but the contents are deleted.
Ilene,
Nothing has changed on the BP end.
PC Magazine's latest issue describes how software anti-spam programs filter
and it may be that the message headers for BP appear to the software too
similar to headers for spam. There seems to be a problem finding a good
balance between automatic sifting of spam and blocking of friendly mail. The
articles in PC Mag, regardless of our proud Mac users, gives some good tips
on how to diminish spam, either by online habits or through software. I also
enjoyed the article on how ADSL vs. Cable modems connect to the Internet
backbone.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? Is there something changed on your end? We have a new spam filter, but I've asked about whether this blocks BP specifically, or just the digest mode. I get the notice, but the contents are deleted.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ilene,<BR>
<BR>
Nothing has changed on the BP end.<BR>
<BR>
PC Magazine's latest issue describes how software anti-spam programs filter and it may be that the message headers for BP appear to the software too similar to headers for spam. There seems to be a problem finding a good balance between automatic sifting of spam and blocking of friendly mail. The articles in PC Mag, regardless of our proud Mac users, gives some good tips on how to diminish spam, either by online habits or through software. I also enjoyed the article on how ADSL vs. Cable modems connect to the Internet backbone.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:43:23 EST
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<<> What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR and
> the current Ladies of the NPS!>>
DARNPS? And see interesting tale of Jane Teller Robinson, below in
mid-story...
The New York Times January 25, 1998, Sunday, Late Edition - Final
HEADLINE: Streetscapes/421 East 61st Street; From House Museum to Historic
19th-Century Hotel
By CHRISTOPHER GRAY (copyright assigned to Half-Pint)
IT wasn't built as a house, so why call it a house museum? That's what the
Colonial Dames of America decided 10 years ago when they began to reposition
the
1799 Abigail Adams Smith Museum, at 421 East 61st Street, as a historic hotel.
Now they are near the end of a $1.5 million capital campaign, and the results
offer an interesting twist on the usual formula.
What began as a barn, became a hotel and only later a country house is so
old
it's off-angle from the city street plan. It was planned in 1795 as the barn
for
Mount Vernon, the country estate of Col. William S. Smith and his wife,
Abigail.
Smith was an aide to George Washington; his wife was the daughter of John
Adams,
the second President of the United States. They planned a main house near what
is now 61st Street and First Avenue but lost the entire property before
completion in 1796; they probably never spent a night there.
In 1798 William T. Robinson, a merchant, purchased the unfinished
buildings,
and it must have been he who had the date 1799 laid in bricks among the ragged
stone of the rear facade of the museum.
Robinson advertised the estate for sale in The New York Evening Post on
Feb.
28, 1806, as a 23-acre "country seat . . . near the 5 mile stone." Robinson's
ad
described the barn as "a very ornamental building, and well arranged for
convenience and use," with stables for six horses, a coach room, shelter for
cattle, pigeon houses and a loft for 30 tons of hay.
This "beautiful situation" included an orchard with apple, pear, plum,
cherry, apricot and nectarine trees, and two wharves at the foot of 61st
Street.
But perhaps the private estate idea was too ambitious, because by 1808 the
main
house was operating as the "Mount Vernon Hotel" with a one-mile race track.
But
the main house burned in 1826 and Joseph Hart purchased the surviving barn and
renovated it as an inn, the new Mount Vernon Hotel.
In 1829 James Stuart, Earl [ERROR: Duke] of Lenox, visited the hotel, a
trip he described
in "Three Years in North America," published in 1833. He praised "the view of
the river and of the gay sailing craft constantly passing, and tossed about by
the eddies in every direction." He reported that a stage went down to the
settled part of the city two or three times a day and "during the summer
months
the great mass of the people of New York leave the town in carriages, gigs or
on
horseback, for an hour or two before sunset . . . toward the beautiful parts
of
the island including the East River shore."
"Near as we are to New York," he wrote in surprise, "and within 300 yards
of
the high road, there is neither a shutter nor a bar to a window in the house.
Clothes are laid out to bleach all night without the slightest fear of their
being carried off."
In 1833 Jeremiah Towle bought the hotel and made it into a country house.
It
must have been Towle who put in the high-style trim on the interior -- the
fluted columns and rosettes, and some astoundingly rich Greek Revival mantles,
which are no longer in the building. Towle's two daughters, Isabella and Mary,
continued to live in the house past 1900, by which time the area had been
taken
over by industry and tenements.
IN 1903 a newspaper reporter visited the house and noted that "the
beautiful
garden . . . has gone forever and the house itself will probably soon meet the
same fate."
The Towles sold two years later and the Standard Gas Light Company took
possession. Census records indicate they housed their own workers in the
building. By 1912 Standard Gas had dwarfed the building with three giant
gasholders to the east and north, creating just the kind of picturesque
contrast
that the genteel settlers of Sutton Place appreciated when that colony was
begun
in 1919.
In that year Jane Teller Robinson took over the house, apparently on a
lease
from the company. She renovated the place as "Jane Teller's Mansion" and
began a
program of spinning and weaving to enable poor people to manufacture their own
clothing.
In 1921 Robinson, who organized the "Society for the Revival of Household
Industries and Domestic Arts," relayed something of her missionary zeal to The
New York Times. She wanted to recapture an earlier time of self sufficiency,
noting that "up to 1830 nearly every house had its own flax wheel and wool
wheel
and 90 percent of all goods was made at home." Brochures from her organization
said that they were selling regularly to Abercrombie & Fitch, and that they
custom-made clothes from the sheep's wool of their clients.
Just before she took over the house the Greek Revival mantles were removed
by
Lewis B. Gautrey [ERROR: Gawtry], a banker, to his house at 58 East 66th
Street, where they
remain. At some point during her occupancy The New York Tribune reported that
plumbers had found a complete skeleton under the floorboards on the second
floor, but no further explanation was published.
Apparently Standard Gas left the house intact because it was on a high
shelf
of rock. In 1924 the company sold the house to the Colonial Dames of America,
a
patriotic and genealogical organization, for use as its headquarters. By that
time the building was being described as the house of the Smiths, apparently
confusing the barn they didn't finish with the residence they didn't finish.
Later the organization opened 421 East 61st Street as a house museum filled
with antique furniture, focusing on its tenuous connection to the Smiths and
the
early Republic.
According to Barbara Hayward, director of the museum, it was accredited in
1983 by the American Association of Museums, but with the advice that the
basic
tenet needed restudy. In 1988 the Colonial Dames of America decided to recast
the building as an early 19th-century hotel. "There are many house museums but
we're the only site that depicts hotel life," Mrs. Hayward said.
Downstairs the main hall is portrayed as the dining room, with an intact
kitchen off to one side, and a bar room and men's card room off to the other
side. On the second floor, the central area is set up as a ballroom, with a
ladies' parlor off to one side, and a hotel bedroom on the other. Much of the
furniture is in the Second Empire style, to the period of the 1820's of the
Mount Vernon Hotel.
I N the last few years the building has got new exterior woodwork,
roofing, shutters and windows, and Mrs. Hayward expects the final stages of
the
renovation -- pointing and stonework on the facade -- to begin this spring.
The
8,500 visitors every year come to see the interiors, the early kitchen
equipment, and for events like the "Washington's Birthday Ball" at 2 P.M. on
Feb. 22, with the Steuben House Dancers demonstrating (and teaching) period
dances like Fishers' Hornpipe, Haste to the Wedding, Black Joke and Hole in
Wall. Tickets for the event, at $5 for adults and $3 for children under 12 and
members, must be reserved, at (212) 838-6878. The museum is open Tuesdays
through Sundays, 11 A.M. to 4 P.M. Admission is $3 for adults, $2 for students
and the elderly, free for members and children under 12.
It is a curious building -- barn, hotel, residence, museum -- emblematic
of a
search by such historic sites everywhere to venture beyond the gentry worship
of
their origins earlier in this century.
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<BR>DARNPS? And see interesting tale of Jane Teller Robinson, below in mid-story...
<BR>
<BR>The New York Times January 25, 1998, Sunday, Late Edition - Final
<BR>
<BR>HEADLINE: Streetscapes/421 East 61st Street; From House Museum to Historic 19th-Century Hotel
<BR>
<BR>By CHRISTOPHER GRAY (copyright assigned to Half-Pint)
<BR>
<BR> IT wasn't built as a house, so why call it a house museum? That's what the
<BR>Colonial Dames of America decided 10 years ago when they began to reposition the
<BR>1799 Abigail Adams Smith Museum, at 421 East 61st Street, as a historic hotel.
<BR>Now they are near the end of a $1.5 million capital campaign, and the results
<BR>offer an interesting twist on the usual formula.
<BR>
<BR> What began as a barn, became a hotel and only later a country house is so old
<BR>it's off-angle from the city street plan. It was planned in 1795 as the barn for
<BR>Mount Vernon, the country estate of Col. William S. Smith and his wife, Abigail.
<BR>Smith was an aide to George Washington; his wife was the daughter of John Adams,
<BR>the second President of the United States. They planned a main house near what
<BR>is now 61st Street and First Avenue but lost the entire property before
<BR>completion in 1796; they probably never spent a night there.
<BR>
<BR> In 1798 William T. Robinson, a merchant, purchased the unfinished buildings,
<BR>and it must have been he who had the date 1799 laid in bricks among the ragged
<BR>stone of the rear facade of the museum.
<BR>
<BR> Robinson advertised the estate for sale in The New York Evening Post on Feb.
<BR>28, 1806, as a 23-acre "country seat . . . near the 5 mile stone." Robinson's ad
<BR>described the barn as "a very ornamental building, and well arranged for
<BR>convenience and use," with stables for six horses, a coach room, shelter for
<BR>cattle, pigeon houses and a loft for 30 tons of hay.
<BR>
<BR> This "beautiful situation" included an orchard with apple, pear, plum,
<BR>cherry, apricot and nectarine trees, and two wharves at the foot of 61st Street.
<BR>But perhaps the private estate idea was too ambitious, because by 1808 the main
<BR>house was operating as the "Mount Vernon Hotel" with a one-mile race track. But
<BR>the main house burned in 1826 and Joseph Hart purchased the surviving barn and
<BR>renovated it as an inn, the new Mount Vernon Hotel.
<BR>
<BR> In 1829 James Stuart, Earl [ERROR: Duke] of Lenox, visited the hotel, a trip he described
<BR>in "Three Years in North America," published in 1833. He praised "the view of
<BR>the river and of the gay sailing craft constantly passing, and tossed about by
<BR>the eddies in every direction." He reported that a stage went down to the
<BR>settled part of the city two or three times a day and "during the summer months
<BR>the great mass of the people of New York leave the town in carriages, gigs or on
<BR>horseback, for an hour or two before sunset . . . toward the beautiful parts of
<BR>the island including the East River shore."
<BR>
<BR> "Near as we are to New York," he wrote in surprise, "and within 300 yards of
<BR>the high road, there is neither a shutter nor a bar to a window in the house.
<BR>Clothes are laid out to bleach all night without the slightest fear of their
<BR>being carried off."
<BR>
<BR> In 1833 Jeremiah Towle bought the hotel and made it into a country house. It
<BR>must have been Towle who put in the high-style trim on the interior -- the
<BR>fluted columns and rosettes, and some astoundingly rich Greek Revival mantles,
<BR>which are no longer in the building. Towle's two daughters, Isabella and Mary,
<BR>continued to live in the house past 1900, by which time the area had been taken
<BR>over by industry and tenements.
<BR>
<BR> IN 1903 a newspaper reporter visited the house and noted that "the beautiful
<BR>garden . . . has gone forever and the house itself will probably soon meet the
<BR>same fate."
<BR>
<BR> The Towles sold two years later and the Standard Gas Light Company took
<BR>possession. Census records indicate they housed their own workers in the
<BR>building. By 1912 Standard Gas had dwarfed the building with three giant
<BR>gasholders to the east and north, creating just the kind of picturesque contrast
<BR>that the genteel settlers of Sutton Place appreciated when that colony was begun
<BR>in 1919.
<BR>
<BR> In that year Jane Teller Robinson took over the house, apparently on a lease
<BR>from the company. She renovated the place as "Jane Teller's Mansion" and began a
<BR>program of spinning and weaving to enable poor people to manufacture their own
<BR>clothing.
<BR>
<BR> In 1921 Robinson, who organized the "Society for the Revival of Household
<BR>Industries and Domestic Arts," relayed something of her missionary zeal to The
<BR>New York Times. She wanted to recapture an earlier time of self sufficiency,
<BR>noting that "up to 1830 nearly every house had its own flax wheel and wool wheel
<BR>and 90 percent of all goods was made at home." Brochures from her organization
<BR>said that they were selling regularly to Abercrombie & Fitch, and that they
<BR>custom-made clothes from the sheep's wool of their clients.
<BR>
<BR> Just before she took over the house the Greek Revival mantles were removed by
<BR>Lewis B. Gautrey [ERROR: Gawtry], a banker, to his house at 58 East 66th Street, where they
<BR>remain. At some point during her occupancy The New York Tribune reported that
<BR>plumbers had found a complete skeleton under the floorboards on the second
<BR>floor, but no further explanation was published.
<BR>
<BR> Apparently Standard Gas left the house intact because it was on a high shelf
<BR>of rock. In 1924 the company sold the house to the Colonial Dames of America, a
<BR>patriotic and genealogical organization, for use as its headquarters. By that
<BR>time the building was being described as the house of the Smiths, apparently
<BR>confusing the barn they didn't finish with the residence they didn't finish.
<BR>
<BR> Later the organization opened 421 East 61st Street as a house museum filled
<BR>with antique furniture, focusing on its tenuous connection to the Smiths and the
<BR>early Republic.
<BR>
<BR> According to Barbara Hayward, director of the museum, it was accredited in
<BR>1983 by the American Association of Museums, but with the advice that the basic
<BR>tenet needed restudy. In 1988 the Colonial Dames of America decided to recast
<BR>the building as an early 19th-century hotel. "There are many house museums but
<BR>we're the only site that depicts hotel life," Mrs. Hayward said.
<BR>
<BR> Downstairs the main hall is portrayed as the dining room, with an intact
<BR>kitchen off to one side, and a bar room and men's card room off to the other
<BR>side. On the second floor, the central area is set up as a ballroom, with a
<BR>ladies' parlor off to one side, and a hotel bedroom on the other. Much of the
<BR>furniture is in the Second Empire style, to the period of the 1820's of the
<BR>Mount Vernon Hotel.
<BR>
<BR> I N the last few years the building has got new exterior woodwork,
<BR>roofing, shutters and windows, and Mrs. Hayward expects the final stages of the
<BR>renovation -- pointing and stonework on the facade -- to begin this spring. The
<BR>8,500 visitors every year come to see the interiors, the early kitchen
<BR>equipment, and for events like the "Washington's Birthday Ball" at 2 P.M. on
<BR>Feb. 22, with the Steuben House Dancers demonstrating (and teaching) period
<BR>dances like Fishers' Hornpipe, Haste to the Wedding, Black Joke and Hole in
<BR>Wall. Tickets for the event, at $5 for adults and $3 for children under 12 and
<BR>members, must be reserved, at (212) 838-6878. The museum is open Tuesdays
<BR>through Sundays, 11 A.M. to 4 P.M. Admission is $3 for adults, $2 for students
<BR>and the elderly, free for members and children under 12.
<BR>
<BR> It is a curious building -- barn, hotel, residence, museum -- emblematic of a
<BR>search by such historic sites everywhere to venture beyond the gentry worship of
<BR>their origins earlier in this century.
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And see interesting tale of Jane Teller Robinson, below in mid-story...
Sharpshooter: I remember reading this in hard copy in '98. Boy, those were
the days. ][<en
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Yeah, somewhat the lurker. Backchannel too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Stevenson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
Bruce, you lurker. You're right, my brain was out to lunch. I guess I was
thinking of Oklahoma!
- Pam
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To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Cc: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: "It's cold again...but hot online."
I think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc.
making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar tit" as Deb's
mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a "safe" expletive) on your
surrey (with or without fringe on top) you might have a horse with a very
bad problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pam Stevenson [ mailto:[log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> ]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the road! I'm not sure
though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in August.
- Pam
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth Barton <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
Mark, Never fear on my account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better
known by the highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the
proper season.
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<DIV><SPAN class=870124616-29012003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Yeah,
somewhat the lurker. Backchannel too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Pam Stevenson
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2003
8:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: "It's cold
again...but hot online."<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bruce, you lurker. You're right, my brain was out to
lunch. I guess I was thinking of Oklahoma!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" [log in to unmask]>Bruce Marcham</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: "It's cold
again...but hot online."</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=570405723-28012003><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I
think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc.
making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar
tit" as Deb's mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a
"safe" expletive) on your surrey (with or without fringe on top)
you might have a horse with a very bad problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Pam Stevenson [<A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: "It's
cold again...but hot online."<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Nothing better than following a surrey wagon down the
road! I'm not sure though, which smells worse, that or the cabbage in
August.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" [log in to unmask]>Ruth Barton</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]"
[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask]</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003
10:24 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: "It's cold
again...but hot online."</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Mark, Never fear on my
account. Where I'm at the animal droppings, better<BR>known by the
highly technical term shit, are applied in the field at the<BR>proper
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Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/28/2003 6:02:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Dear Mr. Al Thiemer:
>
> Do you need to turn up your hearing aid more? I know that you don't like
> to appear vain, so you tend to just nod your head as though you
> understood, even when that is not the case. This from the BP Archives,
> not more than 90 days ago, during our discussion of your 20th
> Anniversary Mac:
>
Dan,
Thank God somebody remembers all the shit I forget. Evidently the advanced
age is getting to me. Whether it's a brain fart or a ministroke or a
maladjustment of the medication, I definitely seem to be a victim of CRS.
Ralph
Meanwhile, what is HTH?
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dear Mr. Al Thiemer:<BR>
<BR>
Do you need to turn up your hearing aid more? I know that you don't like<BR>
to appear vain, so you tend to just nod your head as though you<BR>
understood, even when that is not the case. This from the BP Archives,<BR>
not more than 90 days ago, during our discussion of your 20th<BR>
Anniversary Mac:<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Dan,<BR>
<BR>
Thank God somebody remembers all the shit I forget. Evidently the advanced age is getting to me. Whether it's a brain fart or a ministroke or a maladjustment of the medication, I definitely seem to be a victim of CRS.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:54:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> There will now be no official language at all in the Parks.
Cuyler,
So if the Iraqis come and buy your parks and Heritage Houses, they can say
whatever they want in whatever language they choose, whether Lisa and Ruth
(or their Canadian Counterparts) like it or not? Are they free not to talk
to the RCMP's or the FBI?
Maybe you should consider coming back to upstate Noo Yawk and see that Imre
Inre guy at IHS you've been talking about
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> There will now be no official language at all in the Parks.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Cuyler,<BR>
<BR>
So if the Iraqis come and buy your parks and Heritage Houses, they can say whatever they want in whatever language they choose, whether Lisa and Ruth (or their Canadian Counterparts) like it or not? Are they free <U>not</U> to talk to the RCMP's or the FBI?<BR>
<BR>
Maybe you should consider coming back to upstate Noo Yawk and see that Imre Inre guy at IHS you've been talking about<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "It's cold again...but hot online."
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:18:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc.
> making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar tit" as Deb's
> mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a "safe" expletive) on your
> surrey (with or without fringe on top) you might have a horse with a very
> bad problem.
>
>
Seems to me that we also had a discussion of honey wagons and related
conveyances some months ago, which appear to indicate that not onlt does
everything turn to shit, but it returns to shit.
Hope This Helps.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:18:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I think that is a slurry wagon if you're referring to the smell, mess, etc. making following it a problem. If you have scat, or "sugar tit" as Deb's mom would say, (at least when she wanted to say a "safe" expletive) on your surrey (with or without fringe on top) you might have a horse with a very bad problem.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Seems to me that we also had a discussion of honey wagons and related conveyances some months ago, which appear to indicate that not onlt does everything turn to shit, but it returns to shit.<BR>
<BR>
Hope This Helps.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:35:24 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:20:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's case.
>
> - Pam
>
Nice, Pam, real nice. Making fun of the mnemonically challenged. Next
thing, you'll change you email address again. Just wait and see which of
these OTHER assholes gives you such worthless advice on what's wrong with
your house.
Sniff.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's case.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">- Pam</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Nice, Pam, real nice. Making fun of the mnemonically challenged. Next thing, you'll change you email address again. Just wait and see which of these OTHER assholes gives you such worthless advice on what's wrong with your house.<BR>
<BR>
Sniff.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:40:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? Is there something
> changed on your end?
Ilene,
It's your lucky day.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why would my email server no longer accept BP email? Is there something changed on your end?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ilene,<BR>
<BR>
It's your lucky day.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Back to work. Let's make history!
>
It's our job to FIX history.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Back to work. Let's make history!<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
It's our job to FIX history. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:40:43 -0500
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From: Pam Stevenson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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Ah, Ralph, you know I love you, halfheimers and everything, including the incredibly useful house advice!
I'm not trying to change my email address again (keeping my head low, and maybe now I'm in an environment that's less condusive to layoffitis). I think the local email servers have an email address of the day contest. I've seen so many different versions of my new email address that I don't know what to make of it. "They" say there's a plan afoot to standardize this stuff, but I'll see it when I believe it.
- Pam
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From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:20:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's case.
- Pam
Nice, Pam, real nice. Making fun of the mnemonically challenged. Next thing, you'll change you email address again. Just wait and see which of these OTHER assholes gives you such worthless advice on what's wrong with your house.
Sniff.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Ah, Ralph, you know I love you, halfheimers and everything,
including the incredibly useful house advice!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm not trying to change my email address again (keeping my
head low, and maybe now I'm in an environment that's less condusive to
layoffitis). I think the local email servers have an email address of the
day contest. I've seen so many different versions of my new email address
that I don't know what to make of it. "They" say there's a plan afoot to
standardize this stuff, but I'll see it when I believe it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>- Pam</FONT></DIV>
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:35
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without
Sin....</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0
face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:20:35 AM
Eastern Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">Actually, I think it's halfsheimers, in Ralph's
case.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">- Pam</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Nice, Pam, real nice. Making fun of the
mnemonically challenged. Next thing, you'll change you email address
again. Just wait and see which of these OTHER assholes gives you such
worthless advice on what's wrong with your
house.<BR><BR>Sniff.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:41:51 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Sender: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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Its broken again?! Damn! And out of warrantee too!
-jc
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> Back to work.=A0 Let's make history!
>
>
>
> It's our job to FIX history.
>
> Ralph
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Its broken again?! Damn! And out of warrantee too! =20
-jc
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 11:37 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
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writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>Back to work.=A0 Let's make history!
It's our job to FIX history.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:45:07 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Much of the furniture is in the Second Empire style, to the period of the
> 1820's
Sir:
Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?
Sign me,
Student of Marcus Whiffen
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:44:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Much of the furniture is in the Second Empire style, to the period of the 1820's </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0"><BR>
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<BR>
Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?<BR>
<BR>
Sign me,<BR>
<BR>
Student of Marcus Whiffen<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:47:34 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Ah, Ralph, you know I love you, halfheimers and everything, including the
> incredibly useful house advice!
>
Pam,.
Yeah, that's what they all say. Especially the mothers of the girls I used
to date.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ah, Ralph, you know I love you, halfheimers and everything, including the incredibly useful house advice!</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Pam,.<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, that's what they all say. Especially the mothers of the girls I used to date.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:22:36 -0500
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Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Walter
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:41:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
Ah, Ralph, you know I love you, halfheimers and everything, including the incredibly useful house advice!
Pam,.
Yeah, that's what they all say. Especially the mothers of the girls I used to date.
Ralph
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<DIV><FONT size=2>And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
[log in to unmask]
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 29, 2003 12:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without
Sin....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:41:26 PM Eastern Standard
Time, <A
href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
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including the incredibly useful house advice!</FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=3
FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Pam,.<BR><BR>Yeah, that's what they all say.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:53:24 EST
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: or, 1.5 cents a word....
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Cross-posted from H-Urban...
From: Steven A Riess <[log in to unmask]>
I have been invited by a major publisher to edit a 600,000 word Encyclopedia=
=20
of Major League Baseball Teams.=A0 This two-volume reference work is intende=
d=20
to fill a significant gap in the reference field.=A0 While there are=20
encyclopedias of individual baseball teams, this work will consist of essays=
=20
detailing the history of all the current thirty major league teams.=A0 The=20
intent is for the articles to be scholarly, analytical narratives that go=20
beyond the recounting of team glories year by year.=A0 My aim is to have ess=
ays=20
written that not only recount each team's annual campaigns, their players,=20
and managers, but also provide a social and economic history of each club. I=
=20
do not expect these to works of original research.=A0 I'm pretty sure nearly=
=20
everything one would need to fulfill the assignment is available in secondar=
y=20
sources. I am looking for essays that contextualize team histories in the=20
broader picture of sport and the development of their histories. I am lookin=
g=20
for essays that not only examine the teams' performance on the field, but of=
f=20
the field as well. The essays will deal in depth with the teams as urban=20
business enterprises that deal with labor issues, local governments and=20
politicians, and such major economic matters as the construction of=20
ballparks.=A0 Hence an essay on the White Sox will examine Comiskey's=20
development of his early ballparks, and will also consider how current owner=
s=20
of the team secured public financing of the ballpark. In fact, a major issue=
=20
for the essays since the 1950s would be the evolving relationship between=20
teams and cities as owners moved or threatened to move franchises to secure=20
financial support from local governments.=A0 I also hope contributors will=20
consider the particularistic relationship of a team to their hometowns.
This letter is being sent to baseball experts in NASSH, who comprise a core,=
=20
but certainly not all baseball scholars.=A0 While this project is=20
intellectually a feasible and significant project, there are practical=20
considerations.=A0 I am looking to you for some input as to viability.=A0 We=
know=20
there are a sufficient number of experts to undertake the project, but there=
=20
are practical considerations, namely time and money.=A0=A0 I am indicating b=
elow=20
the approximate length of contributions as I envision them, along with=20
compensation.=A0 The compensation will include a stipend and a copy of the t=
wo=20
volume work (the encyclopedia will sell for $150 a volume).=A0 The stipends=20
vary depending on the length of the contribution.=A0 Stipends for the longer=
=20
entries are real money, however, the cash compensation is certainly far belo=
w=20
what each author's input should merit if I had an unlimited budget.=A0 The=20
publisher has budgeted $10,000 for the thirty entries and $10,000 for visual=
=20
materials. The author's sole responsibility is to complete a first-rate=20
essay.=A0 All editorial work, including indexing will be done by the=20
publisher.=A0 It would certainly be possible for authors to split assignment=
s,=20
especially for teams like the Braves that have moved a lot.
I am not asking anyone to commit themselves to the project, but frankly am=20
looking for interest or lack of interest.=A0=A0 Please contact me if you are=
=20
potentially interested. Please contact me if you are not interested and let=20
me know why.
Steve Riess=A0=20
Northeastern Illinois University
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<BR>
<BR>From: Steven A Riess <[log in to unmask]>
<BR>
<BR>I have been invited by a major publisher to edit a 600,000 word Encyclop=
edia of Major League Baseball Teams.=A0 This two-volume reference work is in=
tended to fill a significant gap in the reference field.=A0 While there are=20=
encyclopedias of individual baseball teams, this work will consist of essays=
detailing the history of all the current thirty major league teams.=A0 The=20=
intent is for the articles to be scholarly, analytical narratives that go be=
yond the recounting of team glories year by year.=A0 My aim is to have essay=
s written that not only recount each team's annual campaigns, their players,=
and managers, but also provide a social and economic history of each club.=20=
I do not expect these to works of original research.=A0 I'm pretty sure near=
ly everything one would need to fulfill the assignment is available in secon=
dary sources. I am looking for essays that contextualize team histories in t=
he broader picture of sport and the development of their histories. I am loo=
king for essays that not only examine the teams' performance on the field, b=
ut off the field as well. The essays will deal in depth with the teams as ur=
ban business enterprises that deal with labor issues, local governments and=20=
politicians, and such major economic matters as the construction of ballpark=
s.=A0 Hence an essay on the White Sox will examine Comiskey's development of=
his early ballparks, and will also consider how current owners of the team=20=
secured public financing of the ballpark. In fact, a major issue for the ess=
ays since the 1950s would be the evolving relationship between teams and cit=
ies as owners moved or threatened to move franchises to secure financial sup=
port from local governments.=A0 I also hope contributors will consider the p=
articularistic relationship of a team to their hometowns.
<BR>
<BR>This letter is being sent to baseball experts in NASSH, who comprise a c=
ore, but certainly not all baseball scholars.=A0 While this project is intel=
lectually a feasible and significant project, there are practical considerat=
ions.=A0 I am looking to you for some input as to viability.=A0 We know ther=
e are a sufficient number of experts to undertake the project, but there are=
practical considerations, namely time and money.=A0=A0 I am indicating belo=
w the approximate length of contributions as I envision them, along with com=
pensation.=A0 The compensation will include a stipend and a copy of the two=20=
volume work (the encyclopedia will sell for $150 a volume).=A0 The stipends=20=
vary depending on the length of the contribution.=A0 Stipends for the longer=
entries are real money, however, the cash compensation is certainly far bel=
ow what each author's input should merit if I had an unlimited budget.=A0 Th=
e publisher has budgeted $10,000 for the thirty entries and $10,000 for visu=
al materials. The author's sole responsibility is to complete a first-rate e=
ssay.=A0 All editorial work, including indexing will be done by the publishe=
r.=A0 It would certainly be possible for authors to split assignments, espec=
ially for teams like the Braves that have moved a lot.
<BR>
<BR>I am not asking anyone to commit themselves to the project, but frankly=20=
am looking for interest or lack of interest.=A0=A0 Please contact me if you=20=
are potentially interested. Please contact me if you are not interested and=20=
let me know why.
<BR>
<BR>Steve Riess=A0=20
<BR>Northeastern Illinois University</FONT></HTML>
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Cross-posted from H-Urban...
Sharpshooter,
Tell me, seriously, is this how encyclopedic books come into existence?
What I gather is the assignment is to read all the secondary sources a hack
can find on baseball, steal what the sources say, artfully paraphrase if you
will, and pump out a small portion of 600,000 words.
Since I know or care next to nothing about baseball possibly this would make
a good weekend hobby? Gab & Eti dust 1st base!
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Sharpshooter,<BR>
<BR>
Tell me, seriously, is this how encyclopedic books come into existence?<BR>
<BR>
What I gather is the assignment is to read all the secondary sources a hack can find on baseball, steal what the sources say, artfully paraphrase if you will, and pump out a small portion of 600,000 words.<BR>
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Since I know or care next to nothing about baseball possibly this would make a good weekend hobby? Gab & Eti dust 1st base!<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:47:31 -0500
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Gee, when does he ask for our bank account number to make the deposit?
Mogambi Twybil
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We have a wonderful group, known locally as the "Preservation Ladies"
for perceived historical reasons. We meet once a month for lunch and
discussion. Most are graduates of the EMU HP program, plus a few like
me who did not. We have become a force to be reckoned with once riled,
and it's great networking with a bunch of people with preservation being
the common thread. A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely
come; it really is just us Ladies.
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
219 1/2 N. Main Street
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:02 AM
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Subject: Progress of the Ladies
I have read of, and been told tales of, the contributions made by
various Ladies to the beginnings of preservation. So much of the credit
in the creation myths of preservation are heaped upon the several male
individuals enthroned at certain institutions of learning, collecting
and amusement. But I rise to acknowledge the contribution made by the
Ladies past and present. I would not refuse them the credit, nor the
mud, the blood, the beer, nor the colorful technical language. (Not
that I'm capable of watching my language that
carefully.)
What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR
and the current Ladies of the NPS!
It feels alright. I don't think my head will explode.
Back to work. Let's make history!
(I know Bryan...but I love to say it!)
-jc
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> Tell me, seriously, is this how encyclopedic books come into existence?
>
You better believe it, Bartleby. The pay rate on the MacMillan Enclopedia of
Architects was, as I recall, 0.3 cents a word. A lot of architectural
historians got filthy rich!!! Of course, that was during the dot.com
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Subject: Thanks everybody, Peter took off four minutes ago...
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...for New Zealand, the country so beautiful they say ... you never come back.
PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:45:17 -0800
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I thought the big money was in the asthetically pleasing, ever present,
"Jersey barrier" which seems to have migrated north and now graces our
roadsides in Vermont in ever increasing numbers. I just wish some of your
"graffiti artists" would migrate with them to make them more colorful. I
love the "graffiti" that they paint and get angry whenever I see a program
on TV about how they are persecuted by folks in the city. These people are
real artists and do what they can to make things like dull train cars and
plywood temporary walls more attractive. There, that's my rant for the
day, week, month, whatever. Ruth
At 1:47 PM -0500 1/28/03, Ken Follett wrote:
Has something happened to the cast stone industry, or is it just in New York?
A lot has happened to the cast stone industry... mostly it is driven by who
pays for it (the market) and what those who pay want done in respect of how
much they want to pay. There is an industry association and they do
technical research and issue publications and hold conferences.
The big money in cast stone (concrete castings) though I think is in
concrete pipe. Concrete pipe leads to capital that can in turn be invested
in aesthetic work, and so often you have firms that actually know a lot
about concrete pipe who decide to venture into aesthetic work as a market
niche. They may know about concrete pipe, but they know less about
aesthetics, and when they venture into histo presto they may know even
less. If you look at the surface area of a concrete pipe you may notice
that it is not exactly exciting stuff.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:58:14 -0800
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I don't think socks with fish woven into them are all THAT weird, whether
in court or not. As to fish without socks, we don't do that here in
southern VTbut they may do it up in the Northeast Kingdom where I've heard
there are some VERY strange folk.
We did have one old gent when I was a kid who never wore anything on his
feet. I've seen him at Town Meeting barefoot and folks used to come for
miles around to see him out gathering sap in the snow barefoot. But he was
unusual. Ruth
At 7:31 AM -0600 1/28/03, Score, Robert wrote:
I heard that they just wear the fish on there feet without any socks in
Vermont, Is this true Ruth?
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Do tell, how did this name come about? Ruth
Ruth,
Do you, at this late date, think I make this shit up? The alleged
gentleman wore socks with images of tropical fish woven into them in a
court of law in the State of New York. I observed this with my own eyes,
and it was subsequently confirmed by more than one member of the bar. I
believe, but am not certain that, he wore these socks on the witness stand.
Ralph
PS-- Can it be that people don't wear fish socks in Vermont?
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>your 20th
>Anniversary Mac:
umm, what's MAC ?
and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that
is, right?) in the subject lines, but no !^&^%ing cussing is allowed? I
thought this was the new "family list" for histo-presto people......
deb
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> like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that
> is, right?)
Well, I am moving to Idaho soon so I'll ask.
Mark
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In a message dated 1/29/03 9:12:18 PM, [log in to unmask] writes:
> sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that is, right?) in the subject lines,
> but no !^&^%ing cussing is allowed?
SheeHee is the new, socio-politically correct gender-neutral pronoun.
Endorsed by Art Linkletter and the League of Nations.
Yr friend, If Ken Has To Collect The Pure Water Runoff From His
Cleaning Jobs Before It Runs Into The Gutter, What About That Guy In The
Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing Gum Spots With A
Secret-Formula Detergent?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that is, right?) in the subject lines, but no !^&^%ing cussing is allowed? </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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SheeHee is the new, socio-politically correct gender-neutral pronoun. Endorsed by Art Linkletter and the League of Nations. <BR>
<BR>
Yr friend, If Ken Has To Collect The Pure Water Runoff From His Cleaning Jobs Before It Runs Into The Gutter, What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent? <BR>
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Subject: WPA photos "every building in your town" ca. 1940...
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Any practioner out there >>personally<< familiar with a WPA photo project,
ca. 1940, which photographed every building in a town? New York City,
Springfield Mass and a few other American cities have surviving caches of
these photos. In NYC they are known as the "tax photos".
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Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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In a message dated 1/29/03 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR
> and the current Ladies of the NPS!
Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon
Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the "Laddies"
might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken
over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.
Signed,
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR<BR>
and the current Ladies of the NPS!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 7:42:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon
> Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the
> "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history
> trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent
> chair.
>
> Signed,
> Not D.A.R.
>
No wasn't it Tolstoy who said: "Regard the society of women as a necessary
unpleasantness, and avoid it whenever possible."
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR>
<BR>
Signed, <BR>
Not D.A.R.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:21:33 -0600
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From: John Callan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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Them be the first group of Preservation Babes of which I was thinkin'=20
alright!
-jc
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Candice Brashears wrote:
> In a message dated 1/29/03 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> What a thought for the morning?!=A0 To slam together visions of the =
DAR
> and the current Ladies of the NPS!
>
>
>
> Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount=20
> Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s;=A0 Without =
whom=20
> the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the=20
> "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies"=20=
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Them be the first group of Preservation Babes of which I was thinkin'
alright! =20
-jc
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Candice Brashears wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
1/29/03 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>What a thought for the morning?!=A0 To slam
together visions of the DAR
and the current Ladies of the NPS!
Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount
Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s;=A0 Without whom
the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the
"history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies"
to the docent chair.
Signed,
Not D.A.R.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deb Bledsoe
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 7:44 PM
>=20
>=20
> >your 20th
> >Anniversary Mac:
>=20
>=20
> umm, what's MAC ?
Do you seriously think that a true Mac zealot is going to bite on such
an obvious troll?
> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all=20
> aware of what that is, right?) in the subject lines, but no=20
> !^&^%ing cussing is allowed? I thought this was the new=20
> "family list" for histo-presto people......
It's obvious to me that this is a real PC list....
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Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:15:08 -0500
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From: Rudy Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Graffiti Improves the View (was the SheeHee thread)
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Ruth writes:
>I thought the big money was in the asthetically pleasing, ever present,
"Jersey barrier" which seems to have migrated north and now graces our
roadsides in Vermont in ever increasing numbers. I just wish some of
your
"graffiti artists" would migrate with them to make them more colorful.
I
love the "graffiti" that they paint and get angry whenever I see a
program
on TV about how they are persecuted by folks in the city. These people
are
real artists and do what they can to make things like dull train cars
and
plywood temporary walls more attractive. There, that's my rant for the
day, week, month, whatever. Ruth<
Well maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, it shows off how ugly
the city can be when people don't consider the view from the tram or
whatever as of any importance. Having just returned from a trip to
Germany, studying historic roof framing technique, I can tell you it's
one thing to see a fabulous piece of spray paint art on an industrial
grade visual barrier and completely another to see it on 500+ year old
stone work. What's beautiful is without doubt in the eye of the
beholder, and there is obviously a difference between what a Woodstock
vintage histo prestoid sees, and what a 21st century skinhead with a can
of spray paint does.
Rudy's rant of the morning.
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Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....
>
Pam,
Not exactly what I meant. The mothers liked me more than their daughters,
but they didn't like me that much, either.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson....</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Pam,<BR>
<BR>
Not exactly what I meant. The mothers liked me more than their daughters, but they didn't like me <U>that</U> much, either.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: or, 1.5 cents a word....
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Please contact me if you are not interested and let me know why.
>
Dilligaf. HTH.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 2:54:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Candice,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Ms. Cunningham sounded like a force to be reckoned with:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">"If the men of America have seen fit to allow the home of its most respected hero to go to ruin, why can't the women of America band together to save it?"</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">"Ladies, the home of Washington is in your charge - see to it that you keep it the home of Washington. Let no irreverent hand change it; no vandal hands desecrate it with the fingers of progress. Those who go to the home in which he lived and died wish to see in what he lived and died."</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><EM></EM></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I'd be willing to bet that no one could have relegated her to the docent chair. When I was living in Annapolis, one of my neighbors mother was a current Mount Vernon Regent. She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping both ladies and "laddies" whipped into shape.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my DAR certificate. (My mother made me join when I was in high school). I was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply the the next revolution. Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">signed,</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">NPS and DAR</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Candice Brashears</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 1/29/2003 5:41:51 PM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Progress of the Ladies</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 1/29/03 10:01:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">What a thought for the morning?! To slam together visions of the DAR<BR>and the current Ladies of the NPS!</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR><BR>Signed, <BR>Not D.A.R.<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:48:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Mogambi Twybil
I'd been wondering where you were lately, Bwana. Our regards to Jane and
Cheetah.
Ralph
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I'd been wondering where you were lately, Bwana. Our regards to Jane and Cheetah.<BR>
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Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely
> come; it really is just us Ladies.
>
What a surprise.
Ralph
These words at 1.5 cents per really add up, don't they?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely<BR>
come; it really is just us Ladies.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
What a surprise.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Thanks everybody, Peter took off four minutes ago...
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 5:56:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card
Better his debit card than yours.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 5:56:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Better his debit card than yours.<BR>
<BR>
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: WPA photos "every building in your town" ca. 1940...
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In a message dated 1/29/03 10:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Any practioner out there >>personally<< familiar with a WPA photo project,
> ca. 1940, which photographed every building in a town? New York City,
> Springfield Mass and a few other American cities have surviving caches of
> these photos. In NYC they are known as the "tax photos".
>
> Christopher
Not so sure "every" building was photographed, but quite a number of historic
buildings were photo'd in CT; actually a program surprizingly similar to what
the Colonial Dames did in the 1920s-30s. The WPA program is also similar to
HABS. HABS/HAER is digitally accessible at www.loc.gov (Library of Congress)
in the American Memory archives, at least in part. CTs WPA project files are
located at the CT State Library in Hartford.
Candy B
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/03 10:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Any practioner out there >>personally<< familiar with a WPA photo project, ca. 1940, which photographed every building in a town? New York City, Springfield Mass and a few other American cities have surviving caches of these photos. In NYC they are known as the "tax photos".<BR>
<BR>
Christopher</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Not so sure "every" building was photographed, but quite a number of historic buildings were photo'd in CT; actually a program surprizingly similar to what the Colonial Dames did in the 1920s-30s. The WPA program is also similar to HABS. HABS/HAER is digitally accessible at www.loc.gov (Library of Congress) in the American Memory archives, at least in part. CTs WPA project files are located at the CT State Library in Hartford.<BR>
<BR>
Candy B</FONT></HTML>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 7:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull
> train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.
Ralph,
Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.
Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and
seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive.
Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.<BR>
<BR>
Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive. Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 9:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> umm, what's MAC ?
>
> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that
> is, right?)
Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).
In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of Cupertino,
CA. Talk about PC-centrics. And no, I am not aware of sheehee; would the
distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of the Garden State kindly
enlighten those of us who are unaware?
Ralph
PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too. Glad to see you
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">umm, what's MAC ?<BR>
<BR>
and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what that<BR>
is, right?)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).<BR>
<BR>
In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of Cupertino, CA. Talk about PC-centrics. And no, I am not aware of sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too. Glad to see you back.</FONT></HTML>
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Subject: Re: Thanks everybody, Peter took off four minutes ago...
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w/ $ 1,480 he can't afford to come back...
Met History wrote:
> ...for New Zealand, the country so beautiful they say ... you never
> come back.
>
> PS he left with $1480 in his pocket, or at least his debit card.
> Christopher
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w/ $ 1,480 he can't afford to come back...
<p>Met History wrote:
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Formidable - is what I have heard. Of course, there have been many since all
over the US; being from New England myself, I am mostly familiar with how
professionalism evolved in these here parts (more private than governmental;
more localized than regional - although SPNEA did make the attempt
c.1910-1950s)
Jefferson Airplane: can't remember at the moment, but if you hum a few bars
I'll bet it will strike a bell.
cb
In a message dated 1/30/03 9:32:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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> She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping
> both ladies and "laddies" whipped into shape.
>
> BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my
> DAR certificate. (My mother made me join when I was in high school). I
> was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply
> the the next revolution. Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's
> "Volunteers of America"?
>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Formidable - is what I have heard. Of course, there have been many since all over the US; being from New England myself, I am mostly familiar with how professionalism evolved in these here parts (more private than governmental; more localized than regional - although SPNEA did make the attempt c.1910-1950s)<BR>
<BR>
Jefferson Airplane: can't remember at the moment, but if you hum a few bars I'll bet it will strike a bell. <BR>
<BR>
cb<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 1/30/03 9:32:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">She was, by all accounts truly "formidable", and extremely adept at keeping both ladies and "laddies" whipped into shape.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, I was cleaning out a filing cabinet a couple of weeks ago and found my DAR certificate. (My mother made me join when I was in high school). I was thoroughly mortified at the time, and told her that I took it to apply the the next revolution. Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?<BR>
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Maybe Ilene can provide more details on this -- the house was across the
street from her.
Ann Arbor News article:
http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news-3/1043768448210440.xml
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:16:24 -0600
Reply-To: "\"Let us not speak foul in folly!\" - ]<en Phollit"
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Not merely Cupertio, Ralph, but
1 Infinite Loop
What an address!
(And me wondering if my mail would reach me if it were sent to the=20
Stately sounding hamlet of St. Paul.)
-jc
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 1/29/2003 9:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> umm, what's=A0 MAC ?
>
> and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what=20=
> that
> is, right?)
>
>
>
> Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).
>
> In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of=20
> Cupertino, CA.=A0 Talk about PC-centrics.=A0 And no, I am not aware of=20=
> sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be=20=
> of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?
>
> Ralph
>
> PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too.=A0 Glad =
to=20
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Not merely Cupertio, Ralph, but=20
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What an address!
(And me wondering if my mail would reach me if it were sent to the
Stately sounding hamlet of St. Paul.)
-jc
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On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 09:00 AM, Ralph Walter wrote:
<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>In a message dated
1/29/2003 9:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
</smaller></fontfamily>umm, what's=A0 MAC ?
and how come we can have stuff like sheehee (you ARE all aware of what
that
is, right?)
Jeez, Louise (started out as Jezz Lousie).
In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of
Cupertino, CA.=A0 Talk about PC-centrics.=A0 And no, I am not aware of
sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be
of the Garden State kindly enlighten those of us who are unaware?
Ralph
PS--I was wondering what happened to you, on-line wise, too.=A0 Glad to
see you back.
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing
> Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent?
>
All that stuff is environmentally friendly, good for the ecostructure, and
all that other shit. Dubya and Cheney drink it every morning for breakfast.
Rev. Jim (Jones, not Rhodes)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:16:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent? <BR>
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All that stuff is environmentally friendly, good for the ecostructure, and all that other shit. Dubya and Cheney drink it every morning for breakfast.<BR>
<BR>
Rev. Jim (Jones, not Rhodes)</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:17:16 EST
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They have them in Jersey City, also, where they are also called tax photos.
It is my impression/vague recollection that they were made in 1937 or 38.
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon
> Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the
> "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history
> trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent
> chair.
>
Bitch, bitch bitch. Meet up with Pyrate and the Kermits sometime, and you'll
wish you were in the docent chair.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yikes. the "Ladies" of fame of which you speak are likely the Mount Vernon Ladies Association and Pamela Cunningham c.1850s; Without whom the "Laddies" might not have discovered a lucrative niche in the "history trade" - taken over the field - and relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR>
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Bitch, bitch bitch. Meet up with Pyrate and the Kermits sometime, and you'll wish you were in the docent chair.<BR>
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 10:45:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> No wasn't it Tolstoy who said: "Regard the society of women as a necessary
> unpleasantness, and avoid it whenever possible."
Oh, yeth.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">No wasn't it Tolstoy who said: "Regard the society of women as a necessary unpleasantness, and avoid it whenever possible." </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Ahh, Volunteers...
I like the version from the original Woodstock Album. As I recall it starts
out with an intro (from Grace Slick?) to the effect of "You've heard the
groovy music now it's time for Morning Maniac Music...yeah, it's a new
dawn..."
I gather they were the first band on that day and opened their set with
"Volunteers."
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Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?
signed,
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I like the version from the original Woodstock Album. As I recall it starts
out with an intro (from Grace Slick?) something like "You've heard the
groovy music now it's time for morning maniac music...yeah, it's a new
dawn..."
I gather they were the first band on that day and opened their set with
"Volunteers."
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Anybody remember the Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers of America"?
signed,
NPS and DAR
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:54 EST
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Larry,
Unpleasant.
"Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction techniques for
several hours before the late-morning fire was called under control..."
Outdated construction techniques... what an odd phrase. I assume the outdated
construction technique was the stupid welder removing the fire escape that
set the building on fire.
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<BR>
Unpleasant. <BR>
<BR>
"Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction techniques for several hours before the late-morning fire was called under control..." Outdated construction techniques... what an odd phrase. I assume the outdated construction technique was the stupid welder removing the fire escape that set the building on fire.<BR>
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the country so beautiful they say ... you never come back.
Sharpshooter,
Request pictures w/ the e-mail, please.
Same reason I avoid going back to Ithaca. Beautiful must always be some other
place that we do not want to return from.
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Sharpshooter,<BR>
<BR>
Request pictures w/ the e-mail, please. <BR>
<BR>
Same reason I avoid going back to Ithaca. Beautiful must always be some other place that we do not want to return from.<BR>
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What About That Guy In The Times This Week Who Blasts Off Historic Chewing
Gum Spots With A Secret-Formula Detergent?
If he keeps getting enough press exposure then he will get spotted and tagged
by the spirit of DEP and he will also need to suck up his dirty water before
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If he keeps getting enough press exposure then he will get spotted and tagged by the spirit of DEP and he will also need to suck up his dirty water before it runs off.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:36:00 EST
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SheeHee is the new, socio-politically correct gender-neutral pronoun.
Endorsed by Art Linkletter and the League of Nations.
Sharpshooter: Art Linkletter... hmmm... I thought it had to do with all the
special favor's ads in the Village Voice. No room for PeeWee Herman, though.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:40:34 EST
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relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.
Crass capitalist commercialism -- I hope the D.A.R. ladies come through so we
can actually make the needed repairs on one of our "museum" projects. All
hail the D.A.R.! I hope they have some idea what they are looking at, on
their upcomming progress tour, when they see all the holes that we have left
in the wall and that they do not jump to the conclusion that we are
attempting to turn the mansion into a bath house.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">relegated those "Ladies" to the docent chair.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Crass capitalist commercialism -- I hope the D.A.R. ladies come through so we can actually make the needed repairs on one of our "museum" projects. All hail the D.A.R.! I hope they have some idea what they are looking at, on their upcomming progress tour, when they see all the holes that we have left in the wall and that they do not jump to the conclusion that we are attempting to turn the mansion into a bath house.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:43:36 -0500
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Understand that this is my new neighborhood, that my 1835 house is
across a very narrow street, and that I watched the entire process from
the sidewalk and then from inside my house. Today they are still
removing salvageable stuff at the same time they are installing new
trusses on the fire-damaged rear wing. Tenants will be back in their
apartments within a month!!! I'm not sure what they'll do with the
historic wallpaper and warped floors... Scary!
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"Firefighters fought bitter cold and outdated construction
techniques for several hours before the late-morning fire was called
under control..." Outdated construction techniques... what an odd
phrase. I assume the outdated construction technique was the stupid
welder removing the fire escape that set the building on fire.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:45:53 EST
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My mother made me join when I was in high school...
Lisa,
LOL! Cripes, all I had to avoid was being inducted into the John Birch
Society, as per the inclination of my stepfather, and the draft as per the
inclination of my Uncle Sam.
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Lisa,<BR>
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LOL! Cripes, all I had to avoid was being inducted into the John Birch Society, as per the inclination of my stepfather, and the draft as per the inclination of my Uncle Sam.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 14:58:57 EST
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I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from inside my house.
Ilene,
Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it to have a mess
quite so close. Please keep us posted.
I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's reaction to
when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work inside. The fire
fighters had to restrain him from running in to save his manuscripts... and
then later he made a front by telling the press that it relieved him to have
a blank slate with which to start over.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from inside my house. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Ilene,<BR>
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Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it to have a mess quite so close. Please keep us posted.<BR>
<BR>
I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's reaction to when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work inside. The fire fighters had to restrain him from running in to save his manuscripts... and then later he made a front by telling the press that it relieved him to have a blank slate with which to start over.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:02:53 EST
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Subject: Re: Graffiti Improves the View (was the SheeHee thread)
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love the "graffiti" that they paint and get angry whenever
I'm not ranting... I was attending a little histo presto social educational
session at one of our more illustrious historic houses in NYC. We were all
huddled in a cozy brick basement kitchen with chairs and slides, warm on a
cold night. One of the guest speakers, who turned out to be a friend of my
famous artist friend, gave a presentation on his documentary study of
graffitti art in the 70's - 80's, when it was REALLY blooming, particularly
as it was practiced in the South Bronx. He was approaching the aesthetic from
the grassroot social-art perspective (an urban voice fighting for survival),
as well as the historical context -- a social art movement no longer active.
The cultivated Greenwich Village dames present, who are forever dealing with
their histo presto stoops getting tagged, wanted to lynch him then and there.
A few things have changed in NYC -- Greenwich Village is where wealthy
non-bohemians live, and the graffiti is not nearly as spontaneously
interesting as it used to be.
Transit installed car scrubbers to automate the graffiti removal, for one
thing, and the business of anti-graffiti coatings has boomed. Now where there
is graffiti it tends to be where there is so much poverty that nobody would
ever think to remove it (particularly the memorials to kids that died from
drugs or gang violence), or it occurs in places where it is encouraged.
Across from our lot in Brooklyn the bus company has the entire wall, say 20'
x 100' painted with an incredibly active mural... a few years ago they had it
painted out and the original artists return and re-paint the wall.
Now, this is hot & trendy Williamsburg, where all the young wannabe
"artistes" of the city are congregating (what used to be Greenwich Village)
and nearby to the prospersous Brooklyn Brewery. Art rules. It also subdues
and forces out the natives, bohemian & otherwise, that can no longer afford
the escalating rents. MFA land is what we get, probably not such a bad thing,
excepting for the facade of "deep meaning" it imparts to a complex community
of cultures overlaid on cultures, and all because of the technlogical
proximity of a subway stop. Not too many years back people were still getting
shot around here and now we have tourists looking for Thai food.
The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is inclined
to explore the outer boroughs... so in Vermont the viewing for graffiti may
be a whole lot better than it is here.
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I'm not ranting... I was attending a little histo presto social educational session at one of our more illustrious historic houses in NYC. We were all huddled in a cozy brick basement kitchen with chairs and slides, warm on a cold night. One of the guest speakers, who turned out to be a friend of my famous artist friend, gave a presentation on his documentary study of graffitti art in the 70's - 80's, when it was REALLY blooming, particularly as it was practiced in the South Bronx. He was approaching the aesthetic from the grassroot social-art perspective (an urban voice fighting for survival), as well as the historical context -- a social art movement no longer active. The cultivated Greenwich Village dames present, who are forever dealing with their histo presto stoops getting tagged, wanted to lynch him then and there. A few things have changed in NYC -- Greenwich Village is where wealthy non-bohemians live, and the graffiti is not nearly as spontaneously interesting as it used to be. <BR>
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Transit installed car scrubbers to automate the graffiti removal, for one thing, and the business of anti-graffiti coatings has boomed. Now where there is graffiti it tends to be where there is so much poverty that nobody would ever think to remove it (particularly the memorials to kids that died from drugs or gang violence), or it occurs in places where it is encouraged. Across from our lot in Brooklyn the bus company has the entire wall, say 20' x 100' painted with an incredibly active mural... a few years ago they had it painted out and the original artists return and re-paint the wall. <BR>
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Now, this is hot & trendy Williamsburg, where all the young wannabe "artistes" of the city are congregating (what used to be Greenwich Village) and nearby to the prospersous Brooklyn Brewery. Art rules. It also subdues and forces out the natives, bohemian & otherwise, that can no longer afford the escalating rents. MFA land is what we get, probably not such a bad thing, excepting for the facade of "deep meaning" it imparts to a complex community of cultures overlaid on cultures, and all because of the technlogical proximity of a subway stop. Not too many years back people were still getting shot around here and now we have tourists looking for Thai food.<BR>
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The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is inclined to explore the outer boroughs... so in Vermont the viewing for graffiti may be a whole lot better than it is here.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:13:01 EST
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Subject: Re: Graffiti Improves the View (was the SheeHee thread)
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 12:04:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [log in to unmask]
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> The best graffiti to see for NYC may be in the movies, unless one is
> inclined to explore the outer boroughs...
I know that growing up in the West I was led to believe (through the media)
that all subways had graffiti on the train cars. When in the DC area, I was
shocked that there wasn't any. This leads me to believe that the cars must
be stored somewhere at night where the artists cannot find them.
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I know that growing up in the West I was led to believe (through the media) that all subways had graffiti on the train cars. When in the DC area, I was shocked that there wasn't any. This leads me to believe that the cars must be stored somewhere at night where the artists cannot find them.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:51:50 -0500
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A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
damage. He was in shock that first day, but is probably just plain
angry by now, mostly because of the shoddy handling of the situation and
general poor maintenance, always using the cheapest labor to accomplish
the work. Hmmm.
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I watched the entire process from the sidewalk and then from
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Ilene,
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Not very pleasant at all. Fire is not nice. Neither is nice it
to have a mess quite so close. Please keep us posted.
=09
I was reading this morning on the subway about Aldous Huxley's
reaction to when his house burnt down with his accumulated life's work
inside. The fire fighters had to restrain him from running in to save
his manuscripts... and then later he made a front by telling the press
that it relieved him to have a blank slate with which to start over.
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<P><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA</FONT></B> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>219 1/2 N. Main Street</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?
>
Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820
should be about right on that.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/29/2003 12:47:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?<BR>
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Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820 should be about right on that.<BR>
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?
>>
>
>
> Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820
> should be about right on that.
>
> -Heidi
Heidi,
Whoever it was (I'm now too old to remember so far back) specifically talked
about the 2nd Empire style, which is why I'm being such a snot about it.
1820's seems to me a little late for the first Empire, even, but I suppose
news traveled rather more slowly in the pre-internet days.
Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had
when you were a little girl. I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID
have one.
Ralph
What, me crotchety?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Times New Roman" LANG="0">Since when did the Second Empire begin (or otherwise exist) in the 1820's?<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Are we talking just Empire style-- lots of Napoleonic bees and curves? 1820 should be about right on that.<BR>
<BR>
-Heidi</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Heidi,<BR>
<BR>
Whoever it was (I'm now too old to remember so far back) specifically talked about the <U>2nd</U> Empire style, which is why I'm being such a snot about it. 1820's seems to me a little late for the first Empire, even, but I suppose news traveled rather more slowly in the pre-internet days.<BR>
<BR>
Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had when you were a little girl. I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID have one.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
<BR>
What, me crotchety?<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:27:35 EST
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:13:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had
> when you were a little girl. I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID
> have one.
>
It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space
Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high
school, thank you very much-- my mom said it was money well spent, since she
didn't feel it was necessary to help me type my papers anymore. (And just for
Dan...) it was a cute little Mac. Much more sensible machine than this PC
monster I have now.
And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in
college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system
once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in
the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*
Those were the days.
-Heidi
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:13:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Just wait til the future Little Heidis ask you what kind of computer you had when you were a little girl. I forgot-- you're so young, you probably DID have one.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high school, thank you very much-- my mom said it was money well spent, since she didn't feel it was necessary to help me type my papers anymore. (And just for Dan...) it was a cute little Mac. Much more sensible machine than this PC monster I have now.<BR>
<BR>
And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*<BR>
<BR>
Those were the days.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 6:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the
> computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*
>
Perhaps further study would have been wise.
Ralph
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*<BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:52:53 EST
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From: Candice Brashears <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: PCs & typewriters
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In a message dated 1/30/03 6:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space
> Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high
> school
When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black
Underwood typewriter. Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given
because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good. Electric typewriters
were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all
learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") . The used Underwood was all
they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my
very own typewriter. It served me well at the time, and I still have it.
It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc.
Candy
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It was the golden age of computers. Radio Shack TRS 80, Atari with Space Invaders, programing in BASIC. I had my first computer at the end of high school</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black Underwood typewriter. Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good. Electric typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") . The used Underwood was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my very own typewriter. It served me well at the time, and I still have it. It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc. <BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:03:55 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: PCs & typewriters
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 8:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black
> Underwood typewriter. Even though it was an old one (not I might say,
> given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good. Electric
> typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom
> - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") . The used Underwood
> was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted!
> to have my very own typewriter. It served me well at the time, and I
> still have it. It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC,
> fax, scanner etc.
>
As far as I'm concerned, the best thing about computers is that they function
as an editing typewriter.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">When I was in my senior year of high school, my parents gave me a 1926 black Underwood typewriter. Even though it was an old one (not I might say, given because it was an antique) it worked pretty darn good. Electric typewriters were few and far between - none at all in the school classroom - we all learned on manuals ("Throw that carriage!") . The used Underwood was all they could afford and I was not only appreciative, but delighted! to have my very own typewriter. It served me well at the time, and I still have it. It now serves me as a bookend and sits right near my PC, fax, scanner etc. <BR>
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As far as I'm concerned, the best thing about computers is that they function as an editing typewriter.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
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> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
> damage.
Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 4:54:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water damage.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:28:25 EST
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> >> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water
>> damage.
>
> Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.
Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact resistant, and
everything good that PC's aren't.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his manuscripts to water damage.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't. <BR>
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ralph Walter=20
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....
In that context, Mac referred to the computers made by Apple of =
Cupertino, CA. Talk about PC-centrics. And no, I am not aware of =
sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and soon to be of =
the Garden State kindly enlighten=20
well, I thought there was a message that contained "MAC" as some sort of =
acronym...
I guess I dreamed it? =20
::deb searches archive::
Ok here it was....
>> "What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club equivalent"<<
now, that is not exactly clear, as to being in reference to _Macs_ , so =
please don't think I have any animosity or bias against Macs or Mac =
users -- quite the contrary; I just didn't get it....
*****
ralph, obviously you have not done your research online before allowing =
your children to venture out into the wild wild west of the information =
highway.... or you'd know sheehees are men endowed with womanly =
attributes, or maybe women endowed with manly attributes, I'm not =
entirely sure; it just gets pretty crazy from there....
cruising around on porn sites and newsgroups was quite the eyepopper for =
me, but I figured if I were going to be able to talk to the young'uns =
about the subject at my advanced age, I'd better know from whence I =
spoke....
lisa, I thought my grandmother and great aunt would disown me when I =
declined to join DAR and Eastern Star... the ladies of the family go =
back, wayyyy back, on both sides of both sides, but that and $ .79 got =
me a cup of coffee in my advanced tomboy state as a Young Ladie trying =
to progress.... NAWIC brought me much further along in my formative =
years --
the geneology info was/is interesting though....
and I have been lurking in the corner, reading the copious mortar and =
lime messages from the archives when I have time, VALiantly struggling =
to master all the terms and projects out east here, so I won't sound =
like a complete ( !! ) rube when I speak with customers... out of my =
midwestern element, I've been feeling kinda shy and not much to say... =
specially about things like may december trans-hemisphere relationships, =
and red shoes, and la-la-la...
for once I've had to be serious and studious about the business, the =
Really Cool projects I'm having the opportunity to work on, and about =
the political efforts I am involved with ...
(places I hold dear, are under attack from all quarters these days, both =
in the political and private sectors)
ralph, here's hoping your medical situation goes well; keep us posted?
cp in bc, keep your chin up, don't let the bastards get you down...
pyrate, WHAT the heck are you doing wit dem bones? you're provoking =
savannah steve... but it sure sounds cool anyway... how many folks can =
say they see hoops and silver on their jobs??
everybody, keep dodging that falling limestone, or cows, or whatever =
your days bring you ;)
deborah, as I'm now known in NY, late of OH10, recently of brooklyn, and =
as ralph mentioned, soon to be living in the wilds of NJ
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<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A [log in to unmask] =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">Ralph=20
Walter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:00 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Let SheeHee Who Is Without Sin....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In that context, Mac referred to the computers =
made by=20
Apple of Cupertino, CA. Talk about PC-centrics. And no, I =
am not=20
aware of sheehee; would the distinguished gentlelady from OH10 and =
soon to be=20
of the Garden State kindly enlighten=20
</FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>well, I thought there was a message =
that contained=20
"MAC" as some sort of acronym...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess I dreamed it? =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>::deb searches archive::</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok here it was....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>>> "What means this HTH? No doubt some secret MAC club=20
equivalent"<<</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>now, that is not exactly clear, as to being in =
reference to=20
_Macs_ , so please don't think I have any animosity or bias against Macs =
or Mac=20
users -- quite the contrary; I just didn't get it....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>*****</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ralph, obviously you have not done your research =
online before=20
allowing your children to venture out into the wild wild west of the =
information=20
highway.... or you'd know sheehees are men endowed with =
womanly=20
attributes, or maybe women endowed with manly attributes, I'm not =
entirely sure;=20
it just gets pretty crazy from there....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>cruising around on porn sites and newsgroups was =
quite the=20
eyepopper for me, but I figured if I were going to be able to talk to =
the=20
young'uns about the subject at my advanced age, I'd better know from =
whence I=20
spoke....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>lisa, I thought my grandmother and great aunt would =
disown me=20
when I declined to join DAR and Eastern Star... the ladies of the =
family=20
go back, wayyyy back, on both sides of both sides, but that and $ .79 =
got me a=20
cup of coffee in my advanced tomboy state as a Young Ladie trying to=20
progress.... NAWIC brought me much further along in my formative years=20
--</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>the geneology info was/is interesting =
though....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and I have been lurking in the corner, reading the =
copious=20
mortar and lime messages from the archives when I have time, VALiantly=20
struggling to master all the terms and projects out east here, so I =
won't sound=20
like a complete ( !! ) rube when I speak with customers... =
out of my=20
midwestern element, I've been feeling kinda shy and not much to say... =
specially=20
about things like may december trans-hemisphere relationships, and red =
shoes,=20
and la-la-la...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>for once I've had to be serious and studious about =
the=20
business, the Really Cool projects I'm having the opportunity to work =
on, and=20
about the political efforts I am involved with ...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>(places I hold dear, are under attack from all =
quarters these=20
days, both in the political and private sectors)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ralph, here's hoping your medical situation goes =
well; keep us=20
posted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>cp in bc, keep your chin up, don't let the bastards =
get you=20
down...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>pyrate, WHAT the heck are you doing wit dem bones? =
you're=20
provoking savannah steve... but it sure sounds cool anyway... how many =
folks can=20
say they see hoops and silver on their jobs??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>everybody, keep dodging that falling limestone, or =
cows, or=20
whatever your days bring you ;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>deborah, as I'm now known in NY, late of OH10, =
recently of=20
brooklyn, and as ralph mentioned, soon to be living in the wilds of =
NJ</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:47:08 -0800
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Kinda makes me wish I was out there so I could join ya, even though I know
it's no warmer there than it is here. Ruth
At 3:54 PM -0500 1/29/03, Ilene R. Tyler wrote:
>We have a wonderful group, known locally as the "Preservation Ladies"
>for perceived historical reasons. We meet once a month for lunch and
>discussion. Most are graduates of the EMU HP program, plus a few like
>me who did not. We have become a force to be reckoned with once riled,
>and it's great networking with a bunch of people with preservation being
>the common thread. A couple men are on the invite list, but they rarely
>come; it really is just us Ladies.
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:22:54 -0800
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Ralph, You apparently don't really like that sort of art. I find it
attractive and have found lots of uglier stuff hung on walls in fancy homes
and offices. Ruth
At 9:51 AM -0500 1/30/03, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/2003 7:18:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
These people are real artists and do what they can to make things like dull
train cars and plywood temporary walls more attractive.
Ralph,
Yeah, and you probably think all those leaves are pretty in the fall too.
Having been here in lovely NY when the subway cars were all graffitied, and
seeing graffiti spread to freeway bridges in LA, it ain't so attractive.
Kinda like dogs peeing on everything, only you can see it forever.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:03:46 -0800
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Sorry, I don't think I'd be much help, I'm still mourning the loss of the
Boston Braves.
Ruth, who thought for years she was named after Babe
At 2:53 PM -0500 1/29/03, Met History wrote:
Cross-posted from H-Urban...
From: Steven A Riess <[log in to unmask]>
I have been invited by a major publisher to edit a 600,000 word
Encyclopedia of Major League Baseball Teams. This two-volume reference
work is intended to fill a significant gap in the reference field. While
there are encyclopedias of individual baseball teams, this work will
consist of essays detailing the history of all the current thirty major
league teams. The intent is for the articles to be scholarly, analytical
narratives that go beyond the recounting of team glories year by year. My
aim is to have essays written that not only recount each team's annual
campaigns, their players, and managers, but also provide a social and
economic history of each club. I do not expect these to works of original
research. I'm pretty sure nearly everything one would need to fulfill the
assignment is available in secondary sources. I am looking for essays that
contextualize team histories in the broader picture of sport and the
development of their histories. I am looking for essays that not only
examine the teams' performance on the field, but off the field as well. The
essays will deal in depth with the teams as urban business enterprises that
deal with labor issues, local governments and politicians, and such major
economic matters as the construction of ballparks. Hence an essay on the
White Sox will examine Comiskey's development of his early ballparks, and
will also consider how current owners of the team secured public financing
of the ballpark. In fact, a major issue for the essays since the 1950s
would be the evolving relationship between teams and cities as owners moved
or threatened to move franchises to secure financial support from local
governments. I also hope contributors will consider the particularistic
relationship of a team to their hometowns.
This letter is being sent to baseball experts in NASSH, who comprise a
core, but certainly not all baseball scholars. While this project is
intellectually a feasible and significant project, there are practical
considerations. I am looking to you for some input as to viability. We
know there are a sufficient number of experts to undertake the project, but
there are practical considerations, namely time and money. I am
indicating below the approximate length of contributions as I envision
them, along with compensation. The compensation will include a stipend and
a copy of the two volume work (the encyclopedia will sell for $150 a
volume). The stipends vary depending on the length of the contribution.
Stipends for the longer entries are real money, however, the cash
compensation is certainly far below what each author's input should merit
if I had an unlimited budget. The publisher has budgeted $10,000 for the
thirty entries and $10,000 for visual materials. The author's sole
responsibility is to complete a first-rate essay. All editorial work,
including indexing will be done by the publisher. It would certainly be
possible for authors to split assignments, especially for teams like the
Braves that have moved a lot.
I am not asking anyone to commit themselves to the project, but frankly am
looking for interest or lack of interest. Please contact me if you are
potentially interested. Please contact me if you are not interested and let
me know why.
Steve Riess
Northeastern Illinois University
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Hard copy paper is what he lost. I don't know about his computer
preferences. I saw his old record album collection, still in its
cabinet. I told him to get those out and separated to make sure there
is no mold or sticking between the paper covers. Even though the place
is dry now, there is probaby so much moisture saturating anthing that
was in there during the firefighting, a more conservation/conservative
approach was my advice.
=20
=20
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS=20
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA=20
219 1/2 N. Main Street=20
Ann Arbor, MI 48104=20
[log in to unmask]
www.quinnevans.com=20
v 734.663.5888=20
f 734.663.5044=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
=09
=09
In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
=09
=09
A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all
his manuscripts to water damage.
Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have
had a Mac. =20
=09
=09
Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact
resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't. =20
=09
Ralph=20
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<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>219 1/2 N. Main Street</FONT> <BR><FONT =
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face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Ralph Walter=20
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 30, 2003 =
10:28=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a=20
message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask]
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his =
manuscripts=20
to water damage.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Dan thinks it serves herhim =
right,=20
heeshee should have had a Mac. </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3Darial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are =
watertight,=20
impact resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't. =20
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ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:05:53 -0500
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> Of Ralph Walter
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
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> Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
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> >In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard=20
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> >>A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his=20
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> >Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac. =20
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> Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact=20
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Properly configured, they would have put the fire out. What do you think
the Firewire port they invented is for?
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:21:12 -0500
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Heidi Harendza wrote:
> And heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks
> in college-- one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer
> system once. I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber
> screens in the computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in
> the toilet. *sigh*
>
> Those were the days.
>
> -Heidi
remember dealing with a prereq course in programming by visiting, late
one friday night, the comp lab w/ a case of coors, a bag of tacos and a
nickel bag of unnamed substance-
found a couple guys more than willing to write my program in cobalt????
who were a- appalled at the thought of someone like me sullying their
holy environs, b- not willing to give me my allotted time share & c-
more than happy to compete w/ each other to complete the assingment as
the guy who finsihed first got the baggie...
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<p>Heidi Harendza wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>And
heck, I didn't even need to own a computer. I dated all the geeks in college--
one gave me the password to the whole Penn State computer system once.
I remember kissing him by the romantic light of the amber screens in the
computer lab. And even with that, my GPA was still in the toilet. *sigh*</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Those were the
days.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>-Heidi</font></font></font></blockquote>
remember dealing with a prereq course in programming by visiting, late
one friday night, the comp lab w/ a case of coors, a bag of tacos
and a nickel bag of unnamed substance-
<br>found a couple guys more than willing to write my program in cobalt????
<br>who were a- appalled at the thought of someone like me sullying their
holy environs, b- not willing to give me my allotted time share & c-
more than happy to compete w/ each other to complete the assingment as
the guy who finsihed first got the baggie...
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:37:00 -0600
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I think the fire fighting features were removed as part of the deal for
the loan from Evil Bill a few years back. That's where the rainbow
color went too. But I still say, "cut me, do I not bleed rainbow?"
My powerbook 3400 will soon join the Quadra, the Color Classic, the
Newton, the Classic II and the Original Mac 128 (upgraded to a 512KE),
in the basement. Its sad. Kind of like a family tomb.
I saw a Lisa in a pile of junk in a building in need of the special
ministering of those dudes in the white space suits. Now THAT's sad!
(That ought to separate the nubile youngsters from the old folks who
remember the band before Wings.)
-jc
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Becker, Dan wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Let us not speak foul in folly!" - ]<en Phollit
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>> Of Ralph Walter
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:28 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Historic Ann Arbor mansion burns
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 1/30/2003 10:24:16 PM Eastern Standard
>>> Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>
>>>> A musician/composer tenant told me he lost all his
>>>> manuscripts to water damage.
>>
>>
>>> Dan thinks it serves herhim right, heeshee should have had a Mac.
>>
>>
>> Hell, yes. Everybody knows Macs are watertight, impact
>> resistant, and everything good that PC's aren't.
>
> Properly configured, they would have put the fire out. What do you
> think
> the Firewire port they invented is for?
>
> _____________________________________________________
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> Raleigh Historic heretics live on forever"
> Districts Commission -- Elbert Hubbard
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:43:00 -0500
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I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric (from
http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):
Jefferson Airplane
Volunteers (1969)
Volunteers
Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Hey I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution Got to revolution
One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold
Pick up the cry
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America
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ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
PICK UP THE CRY
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:05:24 -0600
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One of them songs I knew...and did not know. Guess I was in the
basement at the time.
-jc
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
> I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric
> (from
> http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):
>
>
> Jefferson Airplane
> Volunteers (1969)
> Volunteers
>
> Look what's happening out in the streets
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Hey I'm dancing down the streets
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> One generation got old
> One generation got soul
> This generation got no destination to hold
> Pick up the cry
> Hey now it's time for you and me
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Come on now we're marching to the sea
> Got a revolution Got to revolution
> Who will take it from you
> We will and who are we
> We are volunteers of America
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.A. Drew Diaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:32 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
>
>
> ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
> ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
> THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
> PICK UP THE CRY
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:55:50 -0800
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Well folks, guess it's a song of the city, don't make no sense to me
aaatall. Ruth
At 5:05 PM -0600 1/31/03, John Callan wrote:
>One of them songs I knew...and did not know. Guess I was in the
>basement at the time.
>
>-jc
>
>On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Bruce Marcham wrote:
>
>> I wondered if "The Cry" was specified so I looked up the full lyric
>> (from
>> http://www.purelyrics.com/index.php ):
>>
>>
>> Jefferson Airplane
>> Volunteers (1969)
>> Volunteers
>>
>> Look what's happening out in the streets
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Hey I'm dancing down the streets
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> One generation got old
>> One generation got soul
>> This generation got no destination to hold
>> Pick up the cry
>> Hey now it's time for you and me
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Come on now we're marching to the sea
>> Got a revolution Got to revolution
>> Who will take it from you
>> We will and who are we
>> We are volunteers of America
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.A. Drew Diaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:32 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Progress of the Ladies
>>
>>
>> ONE GENERATION GOT OLD
>> ONE GENERATION GOT SOUL
>> THIS GENERATION GOT NO DESTINATION TO HOLD
>> PICK UP THE CRY
>>
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