"Adrienne Smith" <[log in to unmask]>wrote: Do you have any evidence that the hormones in feedlot beef survive cooking and stomach acids? *No, none so far. This was a discussion off list earlier. Am checking with the list to see if anyone else has any reference to it. (I realize that there have been articles about the early maturation of children ie boobs on nine year olds, but this will happen when any child is overweight. *I believe this was attributed to the high carb diet and hormone imbalance from grains I think that the epidemic of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes has more to do with the consumption of starch and sugar than non-organic meats. *We're in agreement on this one. My question is the possibility of stored toxins in fat that can create a problem. Also, we should clarify what we mean by toxins. If it's hormones, then we first need to establish that they in fact survive cooking and digestion. If it's pesticides or polutants -- well, one could drive oneself batty trying to avoid these things. Besides, natural foods also contain toxins. Why are natural toxins preferable to manmade toxins? * I would take my chances on a toxin in nature before I would trust Monsanto. Oliva