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> Upstate NY, besides (or perhaps because of) its current state as an economic backwater, seems to have more remuddled and otherwise abused historic architecture than I have seen
> anywhere else.
Missy,
I was gonna ask if you've been to North Jersey lately, then I remembered... You mean Upstate NY is WORSE????
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:49:23 -0400
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It seems to me that pointing mortar should be weak. Off hand, I can not
imagine a situation where the pointing mortar should be as strong or
stronger than the bedding mortar. Even a weak pointing mortar should do
pretty well unless there are water problems or movement, and in that case a
harder/stronger mortar would be even more of a problem.
What is the issue / situation that brings up the question of pointing mortar
strength?
I'm sure that I am being as dense as a 1/1 Portland/sand mix,
Bryan
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"Lien R. Tyler" wrote:
> I have a technical question for youz (gender-neutral) guys:
>
> We specified a mortar mix of 1/4 part white Portland cement, 2 parts
> hydrated lime, and 7 parts sand to match the historic mortar. The brick
> are really hard, testing out at 14,500psi, so mortar strength is not the
> problem, unless it is too weak. Initial tests of our mix are just that,
> too weak, starting at 620 psi, and not increasing at 14 days. Something
> might be wrong with the mix. This is all using too much time, and the
> contractor is anxious to start his repointing and rebuilding at repair
> areas, and we keep saying we need the mortar mix to test initially at
> 750 psi, with indications that it will increase at 14 and 28 days,
> before his work can proceed.
>
> Should we give up and switch to 1:1 1/4: 7 to make it more like a
> standard Type N mix, or should we hold out for the hybrid historic
> mortar, when strength is not the problem? Our testing consultant would
> like us to stay with the high lime mix, but I'm feeling time pressure to
> revert to the standard.
>
> I know I won't get a straight answer, but I might find a reply on this
> email list that I had not, even in my wildest dreams, imagined possible.
> Surprise me... Thanks.
>
> Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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<font color="#3333FF">It seems to me that pointing mortar should be weak.
Off hand, I can not imagine a situation where the pointing mortar should
be as strong or stronger than the bedding mortar. Even a weak pointing
mortar should do pretty well unless there are water problems or movement,
and in that case a harder/stronger mortar would be even more of a problem.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">What is the issue / situation that brings up the
question of pointing mortar strength?</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">I'm sure that I am being as dense as a 1/1 Portland/sand
mix,</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Bryan</font>
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<p>"Lien R. Tyler" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I have a technical question for youz (gender-neutral)
guys:
<p>We specified a mortar mix of 1/4 part white Portland cement, 2 parts
<br>hydrated lime, and 7 parts sand to match the historic mortar.
The brick
<br>are really hard, testing out at 14,500psi, so mortar strength is not
the
<br>problem, unless it is too weak. Initial tests of our mix are
just that,
<br>too weak, starting at 620 psi, and not increasing at 14 days.
Something
<br>might be wrong with the mix. This is all using too much time,
and the
<br>contractor is anxious to start his repointing and rebuilding at repair
<br>areas, and we keep saying we need the mortar mix to test initially
at
<br>750 psi, with indications that it will increase at 14 and 28 days,
<br>before his work can proceed.
<p>Should we give up and switch to 1:1 1/4: 7 to make it more like a
<br>standard Type N mix, or should we hold out for the hybrid historic
<br>mortar, when strength is not the problem? Our testing consultant
would
<br>like us to stay with the high lime mix, but I'm feeling time pressure
to
<br>revert to the standard.
<p>I know I won't get a straight answer, but I might find a reply on this
<br>email list that I had not, even in my wildest dreams, imagined possible.
<br>Surprise me... Thanks.
<p>Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
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> That's an excellent idea. I appoint myself.
No, no, no Ralph. That is not what I had in mind. You need a partner.
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> I wasn't looking for YOU to nip me in the butt.
>
Good. That is not my job. I believe that job belongs to Mrs. Ralph.
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> wonder if the girl in the bar found someone less stupid later on.....
>
Good question. One we will never know though.
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I wonder if the girl in the bar found someone less stupid later on.....
>
> Good question. One we will never know though.
Unless she's on B-P now, that is. Hey, we haven't heard from McPherson's
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> I wonder if the girl in the bar found someone less stupid later on.....
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Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:34:26 EDT
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Subject: Re: Mortar mix for Hill Auditorium
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Ilene-
When you did your testing on the original mortar, did you really find that it
contained Portland cement (white or otherwise): or are you making a judgement
call and using White Portland in an effort to "increase strength" so to
speak. I worked for Bryan for nearly 10 years (Bryan may disavow any
knowledge of that period) and I seldom found any Portland in lime-mortars. I
also found that adding Portland in small ratios (per your formula) usually
weakened high-lime mortars rather than strengthened them. I admit that this
determination was subjective, I didn't test it at a lab, I "mushed" it with
various hammers, mallets, etc. once it was cured. But I believe you could
corroborate my opinion by checking with someone like Jim Price in Lynchburg,
VA or reading appropriate sections of Conserving Buildings by Martin Weaver.
Finally, the proportions that you specify equal a mix of roughly less-than-one
-part lime to three parts sand, more or less. I would suggest that this is
the primary reason for your problem. I can believe that you found these
proportions in your test samples, but I can also believe that some of the
lime may have leached out over time. This would be especially true if your
sample was taken from a loose or damaged area where moisture was an issue.
Nearly all (I said NEARLY all, Bryan) of the historic lime mortars I have
dealt with test out to be about 1 part lime to 2 - 2 1/2 parts sand.
Finally, finally, if you find you MUST use Portland, try Soft Grey Cement
instead of White Portland. White Portland is vitrous and doesn't tend to
play well with the lime...Soft Grey Cement is fired at a lower temp. and is
more likely to give you a higher-strength...the color is also nearly-white
once mixed.
And finally, finally, finally...I would echo what Bryan said in regard to
weaker pointing mortars being preferable than strong ones. I am getting
ready to send off a report to the City of Roanoke suggesting an approach to
preserving an 1890's fire house and hose tower. The architect I am working
with agrees with me that simple lime and sand will more than do the job on
repointing.
Mark Clark
Southwest Restoration
p.s. If you are using dry hydrated lime in your formula, the actual amount
of lime you're mixing in is even LESS than the ratio you specified. i.e., an
un-packed gallon of dry lime is less in actual volume than an un-packed
gallon of dry sand...I know it sounds nutty, but it's true. Try dumping
about 30-40 pounds of lime into 3 1/2 - 4 gallons of water and stirring it up
good. It will be lumpy and pathetic looking...but let it slake for a couple
of days...yes, hydrated lime WILL slake water. You will get a nice smooth
putty...use the mixed putty as your "part" and you will have a lot better
results.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Ilene-<BR>
<BR>
When you did your testing on the original mortar, did you really find that it contained Portland cement (white or otherwise): or are you making a judgement call and using White Portland in an effort to "increase strength" so to speak. I worked for Bryan for nearly 10 years (Bryan may disavow any knowledge of that period) and I seldom found any Portland in lime-mortars. I also found that adding Portland in small ratios (per your formula) usually weakened high-lime mortars rather than strengthened them. I admit that this determination was subjective, I didn't test it at a lab, I "mushed" it with various hammers, mallets, etc. once it was cured. But I believe you could corroborate my opinion by checking with someone like Jim Price in Lynchburg, VA or reading appropriate sections of <U>Conserving Buildings</U> by Martin Weaver.<BR>
<BR>
Finally, the proportions that you specify equal a mix of roughly less-than-one-part lime to three parts sand, more or less. I would suggest that this is the primary reason for your problem. I can believe that you found these proportions in your test samples, but I can also believe that some of the lime may have leached out over time. This would be especially true if your sample was taken from a loose or damaged area where moisture was an issue. Nearly all (I said NEARLY all, Bryan) of the historic lime mortars I have dealt with test out to be about 1 part lime to 2 - 2 1/2 parts sand. <BR>
<BR>
Finally, finally, if you find you MUST use Portland, try Soft Grey Cement instead of White Portland. White Portland is vitrous and doesn't tend to play well with the lime...Soft Grey Cement is fired at a lower temp. and is more likely to give you a higher-strength...the color is also nearly-white once mixed.<BR>
<BR>
And finally, finally, finally...I would echo what Bryan said in regard to weaker pointing mortars being preferable than strong ones. I am getting ready to send off a report to the City of Roanoke suggesting an approach to preserving an 1890's fire house and hose tower. The architect I am working with agrees with me that simple lime and sand will more than do the job on repointing. <BR>
<BR>
Mark Clark<BR>
Southwest Restoration<BR>
<BR>
p.s. If you are using dry hydrated lime in your formula, the actual amount of lime you're mixing in is even LESS than the ratio you specified. i.e., an un-packed gallon of dry lime is less in actual volume than an un-packed gallon of dry sand...I know it sounds nutty, but it's true. Try dumping about 30-40 pounds of lime into 3 1/2 - 4 gallons of water and stirring it up good. It will be lumpy and pathetic looking...but let it slake for a couple of days...yes, hydrated lime WILL slake water. You will get a nice smooth putty...use the mixed putty as your "part" and you will have a lot better results. </FONT></HTML>
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> I was gonna ask if you've been to North Jersey lately, then I remembered...
> You mean Upstate NY is WORSE????
Eyyyap.
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In a message dated 8/1/2002 5:53:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> If in doubt about how to work on the thingie, don't ask me, how
> you work on your thingie is up to you.
ROFLMAO!
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Upstate NY Rock Farmers
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The agricultural side of my Upstate NY family (Dryden) were rock farmers, the
land unfit for most anything but the growing of rocks.
My mother was recently telling me, on a walk along a remote section of the
Erie Canal, how during the depression a great number of hilltop farms were
abandoned and taken over for state land. Many of them were also hard up for
tough weather and often for water. My grandmother, raised in Dryden, knew
where these farms were. When I was a kid I would go with my mother and
grandmother out on back roads and visit sites to pick quince, blueberries,
raspberries, pears, plums and apples. The family treasure of flowers and
ornamental shrubbery has been supplemented by years of such foraging (along
with my grandmother's night raiding of the botanic gardens in Washington). My
interest in wildflowers and foraging comes from these adventures.
On all of the farm sites there would be run down buildings, collapsed barns,
houses with no roofs, no paint, leaning off to one side. Whenever I tour an
empty building, such as the New Amsterdam Theater at a stage prior to Disney,
I am reminded of exploring these abandonded structures. For me the most
significant aspect of the explorations was wondering who had built them and
what sort of lives they had lived.
][<en
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:24:43 EDT
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From: Mary Krugman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Upstate NY Rock Farmers
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> On all of the farm sites there would be run down buildings, collapsed barns,
> houses with no roofs, no paint, leaning off to one side. <snip> For me the
> most
> significant aspect of the explorations was wondering who had built them and
> what sort of lives they had lived.
Ah... there's nothing so memorable as the not-unpleasant pungent, earthy
smell of a wood structure as it decays. Whenever I smell that, I think of
where I grew up in Upstate -- in and around Endicott, NY. I rummaged around
in a lot of old fallen down buildings there like Ken.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:15:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">On all of the farm sites there would be run down buildings, collapsed barns,<BR>
houses with no roofs, no paint, leaning off to one side. <snip> For me the most<BR>
significant aspect of the explorations was wondering who had built them and<BR>
what sort of lives they had lived.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ah... there's nothing so memorable as the not-unpleasant pungent, earthy smell of a wood structure as it decays. Whenever I smell that, I think of where I grew up in Upstate -- in and around Endicott, NY. I rummaged around in a lot of old fallen down buildings there like Ken. <BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:32:11 -0400
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 6:11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I wasn't looking for YOU to nip me in the butt.
>
>
>
> Good. That is not my job. I believe that job belongs to
> Mrs. Ralph.
Yeah, well, it's her job, but as we know these days, not everyone performs his/her job as well or as thoroughly as one might like.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:31:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 31 Jul 2002 to 1 Aug 2002
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In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 6:11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I wasn't looking for YOU to nip me in the butt.
>
>
>
> Good. That is not my job. I believe that job belongs to
> Mrs. Ralph.
Yeah, well, I wasn't looking for you to be my partner in the escrow business, but one doesn't always get to pick and choose which parts of their jobs they want to perform, and which to lay off on somebody else. As we used to say in Hippie Days, the nicer the nice, the higher the price.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:38:55 -0400
Reply-To: "Darling,
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In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 6:13:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> wonder if the girl in the bar found someone less stupid
> later on.....
>
>
>
> Good question. One we will never know though.
Personally, I'd be willing to bet she did find someone less stupid. She sure as hell couldn't have found anyone MORE stupid.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:15 -0400
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Wow, cutting it kind of fine now, aren't we...
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In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I was gonna ask if you've been to North Jersey lately, then
> I remembered... You mean Upstate NY is WORSE????
>
>
> Eyyyap.
Ugggghhh. Not a pleasant thought.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:40:45 EDT
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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...rehabilitative effect. Sign me, Accused Not Convicted
> Greetings:
>=20
> Tecumseh State Correctional Institution is a new facility that opened in=20
December 2001.=A0 I feel that reading is a big part of rehabilitation, but
> with the budgetary constraints on a state government facility, it becomes=20
an extremely daunting task.
>=20
> If at all possible, would you please donate some outdated or recent
> reading materials to our library.=A0 We have a growing population and very=
=20
little reading material, so any kind of donation would be greatly
> appreciated.=A0=20
>=20
> Thank you for your time and assistance and I hope to hear back from you=20
soon.=A0 Feel free to call me anytime.
>=20
> Sincerely,
>=20
> Kellie Wiers, Librarian
> Tecumseh State Correctional Institution
> 2725 N. Highway 50
> P.O. Box 900
> Tecumseh, Nebraska 68450
> (402) 335-5998
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>...rehabilitative effect.=
Sign me, Accused Not Convicted
<BR>
<BR>> Greetings:
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Tecumseh State Correctional Institution is a new facility that open=
ed in December 2001.=A0 I feel that reading is a big part of rehabilitation,=
but
<BR>> with the budgetary constraints on a state government facility, it b=
ecomes an extremely daunting task.
<BR>>=20
<BR>> If at all possible, would you please donate some outdated or recent
<BR>> reading materials to our library.=A0 We have a growing population a=
nd very little reading material, so any kind of donation would be greatly
<BR>> appreciated.=A0=20
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Thank you for your time and assistance and I hope to hear back from=
you soon.=A0 Feel free to call me anytime.
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Sincerely,
<BR>>=20
<BR>> Kellie Wiers, Librarian
<BR>> Tecumseh State Correctional Institution
<BR>> 2725 N. Highway 50
<BR>> P.O. Box 900
<BR>> Tecumseh, Nebraska 68450
<BR>> (402) 335-5998</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:40:46 -0400
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:16:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I was gonna ask if you've been to North Jersey lately, then
> I remembered... You mean Upstate NY is WORSE????
>
>
> Eyyyap.
Ugggghhhh. Not a pleasant thought.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:44:10 -0400
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated Tue, 6 Aug 2002 9:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . I rummaged around in a lot of old fallen down buildings
> there like Ken.
Just imagine the honeymoon these two would've had!
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:33:24 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 31 Jul 2002 to 1 Aug 2002
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In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:33:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Yeah, well, it's her job, but as we know these days, not everyone performs
> his/her job as well or as thoroughly as one might like.
>
I bet Mrs. Ralph does not know you sent this. She would have your butt in a
sling so fast.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:33:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yeah, well, it's her job, but as we know these days, not everyone performs his/her job as well or as thoroughly as one might like.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:47:58 EDT
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Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:41:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> If at all possible, would you please donate some outdated or recent
> > reading materials to our library.
Sure. I have some used toilet paper I would love to send to our poor prison
population. Do those poor souls need a place for a weekend furlough also? I
was thinking Ralph probably has plenty of room and books. I think California
would be an excellent place to solicit items for these poor individuals.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:41:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If at all possible, would you please donate some outdated or recent <BR>
> reading materials to our library. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Sure. I have some used toilet paper I would love to send to our poor prison population. Do those poor souls need a place for a weekend furlough also? I was thinking Ralph probably has plenty of room and books. I think California would be an excellent place to solicit items for these poor individuals.<BR>
<BR>
Steve<BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:15:30 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Cross-post from SAH-L - nail-less church...
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From:=A0 =A0 [log in to unmask] (Society of Architectural Historians)
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Society of Architectural Historians)
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=20
From: <[log in to unmask]>
To address a post from awhile back about whether Chicago's St. Paul Roman
Catholic Church=A0 (1897-99) by Henry J. Schlacks is in a Moselle style and
constructed without a nail:
According to Father Richard Todd of the parish, St. Paul does not contain a
nail in its load bearing construction and is modeled on Saint Corentin, in
Quimper, France which is in the Finisterre department in Brittany. A web
page
at http://www.acdev.com/cornouaille/quimper/cathedrale.html maintains that
the 13th Century Saint Corentin takes its stylistic direction from the High
Gothic of the Ile-de-France, and local traditions in Normandy.
Called "Chicago's greatest leap of Gothic faith" by the local AIA guide for
its 245 foot towers and the financial and human endeavor it took in
building
it, St. Paul is located in a primarily residential area on the city's lower
west side.=A0 Whatever its style, in a city known for skyscrapers, Shlack's
turn of the century construction still maintains the unique effect of a
European cathedral towering over a medieval landscape,=A0 visible from
Interstate-55.
Sincerely,
Terry M. Duchow
For further reference, photos of Saint Corentin are posted at
http://www.bagadoo.tm.fr/~calais/KEMPER/DIAPO/cathed.html
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m.si.edu (Society of Architectural Historians)
<BR>Reply-to: <A HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</=
A> (Society of Architectural Historians)
<BR>To:=A0 =A0 [log in to unmask]
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ial" LANG=3D"0">From: <[log in to unmask]>
<BR>
<BR>To address a post from awhile back about whether Chicago's St. Paul Roma=
n
<BR>Catholic Church=A0 (1897-99) by Henry J. Schlacks is in a Moselle style=20=
and
<BR>constructed without a nail:
<BR>
<BR>According to Father Richard Todd of the parish, St. Paul does not contai=
n a
<BR>nail in its load bearing construction and is modeled on Saint Corentin,=20=
in
<BR>Quimper, France which is in the Finisterre department in Brittany. A web
<BR>page
<BR>at http://www.acdev.com/cornouaille/quimper/cathedrale.html maintains th=
at
<BR>the 13th Century Saint Corentin takes its stylistic direction from the H=
igh
<BR>Gothic of the Ile-de-France, and local traditions in Normandy.
<BR>
<BR>Called "Chicago's greatest leap of Gothic faith" by the local AIA guide=20=
for
<BR>its 245 foot towers and the financial and human endeavor it took in
<BR>building
<BR>it, St. Paul is located in a primarily residential area on the city's lo=
wer
<BR>west side.=A0 Whatever its style, in a city known for skyscrapers, Shlac=
k's
<BR>turn of the century construction still maintains the unique effect of a
<BR>European cathedral towering over a medieval landscape,=A0 visible from
<BR>Interstate-55.
<BR>
<BR>Sincerely,
<BR>
<BR>Terry M. Duchow
<BR>
<BR>For further reference, photos of Saint Corentin are posted at
<BR>http://www.bagadoo.tm.fr/~calais/KEMPER/DIAPO/cathed.html
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:22:10 EDT
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In a message dated 8/6/02 12:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Sure. I have some used toilet paper I would love to send to our poor prison
>
"Grant O Lord, that in all the joys of life, we may never forget to be kind."
Sign me, If You Really Want to Punish Them, Send Them Henry James, or
Thucydides
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<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sure. I have some used toilet paper I would love to send to our poor prison population. Do those poor souls need a place for a weekend furlough also? </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>"Grant O Lord, that in all the joys of life, we may never forget to be kind."
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:30:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/6/02 12:34:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I bet Mrs. Ralph does not know you sent this. She would have your butt in a
> sling so fast.
I'm not the only fart smeller around here!
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/6/02 12:34:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I bet Mrs. Ralph does not know you sent this. She would have your butt in a sling so fast.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I'm not the only fart smeller around here!<BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:38:28 EDT
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all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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Subject: Re: Cross-post from SAH-L - nail-less church...
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Gee that's swell.
Jesus had nails, but this Church was too good to have nails?
Ralph the Dec 25 Hebe
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Jesus had nails, but this Church was too good to have nails?<BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:40:05 EDT
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In a message dated 8/6/02 3:22:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Sign me, If You Really Want to Punish Them, Send Them Henry James, or
> Thucydides
Or certain columns from the Sunday NY Times Real Esate Section where you rake
your best friends (anonymously, thank God) in the whole world over the coals.
A. Reader
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/6/02 3:22:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sign me, If You Really Want to Punish Them, Send Them Henry James, or Thucydides </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Or certain columns from the Sunday NY Times Real Esate Section where you rake your best friends (anonymously, thank God) in the whole world over the coals.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:56:58 -0700
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I have Scott's "Napolean's Wars." For those of you not familiar with
this work, thank your lucky stars!!!!! It is an old leather bound book, or
two volumes. When I was in my teens, and read voraciously, I was always
looking for someone to take me to the library. Dad would say, "If you
don't have anything else to read there's always 'Napolean's Wars.'" I
think I did actually get through 2 whole pages of the first volume. I'd
rather read day old newspapers. Ruth
At 3:22 PM -0400 8/6/02, Met History wrote:
In a message dated 8/6/02 12:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Sure. I have some used toilet paper I would love to send to our poor prison
population. Do those poor souls need a place for a weekend furlough also?
"Grant O Lord, that in all the joys of life, we may never forget to be kind."
Sign me, If You Really Want to Punish Them, Send Them Henry James, or
Thucydides
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:30:12 -0400
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In a message dated Tue, 6 Aug 2002 7:56:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I have Scott's "Napolean's Wars."
Ruth,
Just two teensy little volumes of Napoleon?
Try 5 volumes of Churchill's history of WWII. He includes every memo he ever sent to every commander of any ship, from a battleship to a rowboat, out in the middle of the ocean.
Sign me,
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:14:55 EDT
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> Try 5 volumes of Churchill's history of WWII. He includes every memo he
> ever sent to every commander of any ship, from a battleship to a rowboat,
> out in the middle of the ocean.
>
That figures, the man was bi-polar.
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:22:15 -0400
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In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:14:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> That figures, the man was bi-polar.
And a bricklayer and painter, too. Does that make him multipolar?
And speaking of polar, and boring, don't ANYBODY ever see a movie called The Fast Runner. Mrs. Ralph dragged me to it, and why I sat through 3 hours a Eskimo Domestic Disputes is a mystery. And to think I sat on the same ass that got pinched lo those many years ago. Maybe there isn't a mystery after all.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:30:36 -0500
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Gee, seems to me that if the Eskimos were of another ethnicity we would call it drama...Long Days Journey into the Midnight Sun.
Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:14:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > That figures, the man was bi-polar.
>
> And a bricklayer and painter, too. Does that make him multipolar?
>
> And speaking of polar, and boring, don't ANYBODY ever see a movie called The Fast Runner. Mrs. Ralph dragged me to it, and why I sat through 3 hours a Eskimo Domestic Disputes is a mystery. And to think I sat on the same ass that got pinched lo those many years ago. Maybe there isn't a mystery after all.
>
> Ralph
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:54 -0400
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I read Mark Clark's message with interest, because:
1. Mea culpa. It makes me realize that I misread the original posting,
which describes a Type K, not Type O mix and
2. It underscores the confusion in the grey areas surrounding the
borderline between all-lime and cement-lime blends.
It seems to me that Mark approaches the question from the point of
view of someone accustomed to working with pure lime mixes, whereas,
admittedly, our work has almost entirely involved cement-lime blends.
We do millions of pounds of Type N and Type O mortars, smaller and
more infrequent runs of Type K's.
The main reason I am given by conservators for specifying Type K is to
gain early frost and rain resistance, an important consideration in
the Northern states. The curing requirements are also reduced, as are
lime streaking tendencies, which can be of value when engaging
commercial restoration contractors who have not mastered the art of
employing more traditional materials, a commercial reality.
The 3:1 sand to cementitious materials ratio is correct for Type K,
although I would agree with Mark that most all-lime mortar recipes I
have seen use less sand. I disagree with the comments about Type I
White Portland cement, however. White cement is not made white by
higher temperature firing, it is white due to lower iron content in
the rock used as feedstock for the cement plant. Type I White cement
must meet the same performance requirements as Type I grey cement,
under ASTM C150.
What may be confusing to those who rely on feel and observation,
rather than quantitative methods, is that in order to maintain a
certain level of brightness, cement producers often grind their white
Portland to a finer particle size, similar to a Type III grey cement.
This produces a little faster hydration due to increased surface area,
but the ultimate strength is unchanged.
We have used white cement in Type K mortars without any reported
difficulties. While I am inclined to agree that mortars which are too
hard are a potential disaster, I am also inclined to question what
represents "too hard" in many situations. Certainly the age and design
of the building, the hardness of the stone or masonry, and the weather
exposures are important engineering concerns. Sometimes engineering
approaches may point you in opposite directions from typical
preservation philosophies. I tend to encourage the use of critical
analysis as to the true needs of each particluar situation.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:55:30 -0400
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From: "Ilene R. Tyler" <[log in to unmask]>
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Thanks to everyone who responded about my mortar problem. =20
We are somewhat resolved now to keep our original and specified mortar
mix, which I didn't think of as Type K but as a modified Type N. Type K
isn't in the ASTM charts. This is a slow-curing hard mortar, which
should test at 5-700 psi in 7 days and cure to 12-1500 psi at 90 days.
It matches the original design, and we believe this was specified to
allow for all kinds of movement in the face brick of large brick walls
with no expansion joints. It has served the 89 nine year old building
extremely well.
The problem is that it can't be mixed or handled the same as cement or
cement-lime conventional mortars. We have good advice from John
Zarzecki at SME supporting our decision to stay with the design. We are
working with the contractor to make his adjustments and keep to specs.
And, for the record, my husband and I loved "The Fast Runner". Yes,
it's almost 3 hours in Innuit, but it is beautiful. It is a fable of a
lost culture, and the story is beautifully told. Ralph was not fully
prepared for the experience; it helps to know in advance that it is
almost 3 hours long and subtitled. Don't forget to stay for the
credits, too, as they show a bit about how the movie was filmed in the
horrific climate. Anyway, support your local alternative and downtown
historic theaters!
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
219 1/2 N. Main Street
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:22:15 -0400
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:14:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> That figures, the man was bi-polar.
And a bricklayer and painter, too. Does that make him multipolar?
And speaking of polar, and boring, don't ANYBODY ever see a movie called
The Fast Runner. Mrs. Ralph dragged me to it, and why I sat through 3
hours a Eskimo Domestic Disputes is a mystery. And to think I sat on
the same ass that got pinched lo those many years ago. Maybe there
isn't a mystery after all.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:54 -0400
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mortar Strength
I read Mark Clark's message with interest, because:
1. Mea culpa. It makes me realize that I misread the original posting,
which describes a Type K, not Type O mix and 2. It underscores the
confusion in the grey areas surrounding the borderline between all-lime
and cement-lime blends.
It seems to me that Mark approaches the question from the point of view
of someone accustomed to working with pure lime mixes, whereas,
admittedly, our work has almost entirely involved cement-lime blends. We
do millions of pounds of Type N and Type O mortars, smaller and more
infrequent runs of Type K's.
The main reason I am given by conservators for specifying Type K is to
gain early frost and rain resistance, an important consideration in the
Northern states. The curing requirements are also reduced, as are lime
streaking tendencies, which can be of value when engaging commercial
restoration contractors who have not mastered the art of employing more
traditional materials, a commercial reality.
The 3:1 sand to cementitious materials ratio is correct for Type K,
although I would agree with Mark that most all-lime mortar recipes I
have seen use less sand. I disagree with the comments about Type I White
Portland cement, however. White cement is not made white by higher
temperature firing, it is white due to lower iron content in the rock
used as feedstock for the cement plant. Type I White cement must meet
the same performance requirements as Type I grey cement, under ASTM
C150.
What may be confusing to those who rely on feel and observation, rather
than quantitative methods, is that in order to maintain a certain level
of brightness, cement producers often grind their white Portland to a
finer particle size, similar to a Type III grey cement. This produces a
little faster hydration due to increased surface area, but the ultimate
strength is unchanged.
We have used white cement in Type K mortars without any reported
difficulties. While I am inclined to agree that mortars which are too
hard are a potential disaster, I am also inclined to question what
represents "too hard" in many situations. Certainly the age and design
of the building, the hardness of the stone or masonry, and the weather
exposures are important engineering concerns. Sometimes engineering
approaches may point you in opposite directions from typical
preservation philosophies. I tend to encourage the use of critical
analysis as to the true needs of each particluar situation.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:41:32 -0400
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Subject: The Times West Virginian and IPTW
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> Because she told you to.
Steve,
I always said you were a fart smeller, too.
Ilene and Mr. Ilene must be so starved for culture out there in the midwestern flatlands that they think this stupid movie was good. Even Mrs. Ralph, who hails from the Holy Town of Oak Park, IL, couldn't stand it. And I DID stay for the credits, which include the information that the names of the Eskimo actors, whose characters have names like Igloomukluk Muklukigloo, are actually Barbara Muklukigloo and John Whaleblubbereater. It wasn't possible to keep all these Eskimos straight, given the fact that their characters had 15 letter names (instead of John and Barbara), they all looked identical, and that's with their clothes OFF, all had teeth that seemed to be discarded mason's tools and mumbled in Eskimo.
ZZZZZZZZZZz.
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Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"?
or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
or Go Fish Reindeer Chowder?
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our original and specified mortar
> mix, which I didn't think of as Type K but as a modified Type N.
Type K
> isn't in the ASTM charts.
> Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
>
Type K mortar is listed in Appendix X3 - Tuck Pointing Mortar, in ASTM
C270. It is described as 1 part Portland cement, 2.25 to 4 parts lime,
and 2.25 to 3 times the total volume of cement and lime for the sand.
It is listed in the Appendix as an alternate to Type O for exterior,
above grade service, exposed on one side, unlikely to be frozen when
saturated, not subject to high wind or significant lateral load.
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I vote for Good for Future Restoration Contractors.
Mike E.
>
> Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"?
>
> or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
>
> or Go Fish Reindeer Chowder?
>
>
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Narcolepsy... remember!
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> Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced
> Concrete"?
>
> or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
Depends on whose building you're trashing. Ya hump.
Ralph
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> Narcolepsy... remember!
No, that was Vic Hitler.
I have sleep apnea, and the heart surgery is scheduled for Sept 12. Somehow, I didn't want the 11th. Besides which, I get out of fasting for Yom Kippur. Do I know how to plan, or what?
Ralph
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Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at Union Square
the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in place
with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a urethane
sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting weathered.
GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass, and can be
made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to mimic. It is
molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as lighter
in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost. The shell,
as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
][<en
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> I vote for Good for Future Restoration Contractors.
Aha! Nothing like a little chemistry. Good for current restoration
contractors and their desendents as well.
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I like it when you talk technical.
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> Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
>
> Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at
Union Square
> the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
> replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in
place
> with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a
urethane
> sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting
weathered.
> GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass,
and can be
> made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to
mimic. It is
> molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as
lighter
> in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost.
The shell,
> as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
>
> ][<en
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>
I have seen it used as a terra cotta substitute. On one project,
completed in 1997 in PA, some of the building was done in GFRC, some
is patched and coated terra cotta and some is original terra cotta.
The patched and coated TC looks a lot more like the original now,
after a few years, than the GFRC.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:48:55 -0700
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Re ][<en's answer:
>Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
Right. (and GFRP = ....polymer. Some other countries just call it FRC.)
I have seen cornices made of GFRC, replicating stone or terracotta.
Virtue is that the sun's UV doesn't attack GFRC like it can plastics,
yet fabrications are thinner than steel reinforced concrete
considering the coverage you need for weathering. I have heard of
weathered GFRC getting a touch of the "fuzzies" when the fibers start
prickling out.
We used GFRC as the back-up arch for the replicated Guastavino tile
over the Grand Central taxi entrance. Original vault was the
historic Guastavino 3 tile built up system since the original could
be laid up from overhead before the elevated roadway went into place.
GFRC allowed us to replicate the shape, work quickly and provide a
sound back-up to standard tile, working entirely from below. But
don't get the idea that GFRC is really lightweight. Relative to
steel reinforced precast, yes, but at 1/2, 3/4 and thickened toward
reinforced perimeters, it can still get pretty heavy.
The Rev'
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We used it to replicate early cast concrete ornament and decorative cornice
work on Mills Mansion (McKim Mead White) in Staatsburg, NY. Fabricated by
Mike McLeod and Co., the stuff has weathered very well. The original
modillions, individually cast by Italian craftspersons, were partially
supported by wires strapped to mild steel pipe set into the modillion walls.
When the pipe corroded, the mods. fell on passersby. We painted the stuff -
the glass fibres will break down under UV load.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>We used it to replicate early cast concrete ornament and decorative cornice work on Mills Mansion (McKim Mead White) in Staatsburg, NY. Fabricated by Mike McLeod and Co., the stuff has weathered very well. The original modillions, individually cast by Italian craftspersons, were partially supported by wires strapped to mild steel pipe set into the modillion walls. When the pipe corroded, the mods. fell on passersby. We painted the stuff - the glass fibres will break down under UV load.
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Does it lull you to sleep?
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Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone?
Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
Christopher
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:12:53 -0700
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Ken, Could we talk? I think it would be good for you and good for me. My
No. is 510-928-3254 cell; Office No. 510-215-2298 & Fax.
> From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:03:33 EDT
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>
> Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
>
> Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at Union Square
> the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
> replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in place
> with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a urethane
> sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting weathered.
> GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass, and can be
> made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to mimic. It is
> molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as lighter
> in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost. The shell,
> as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
>
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In a message dated 8/8/2002 8:16:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone?
> Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
You know, that name "Permastone," sounds like an embalming fluid or slang for
viagra. What in the heck is Permastone?
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You know, that name "Permastone," sounds like an embalming fluid or slang for viagra. What in the heck is Permastone?<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:27:26 -0500
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Yes, Glass fiber Reinforced COncrete is GFRC.
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Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"?
or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
or Go Fish Reindeer Chowder?
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:05:37 -0400
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Thanks, Michael, and you are right. This is "above grade service,
exposed on one side, unlikely to be frozen when saturated, not subject
to high wind or significant lateral load." The mix is 1/4 part cement
to 2 parts lime, and 7 parts sand, and we weren't trying to match any of
the Types, since we only wanted to match the original. It seems
surprising to me that they bothered with the cement at all. =20
And Ralph, only the bad guys "had teeth that seemed to be discarded
mason's tools and mumbled in Eskimo." That was how we could tell them
apart, but admittedly it was a fine point. The bad guys were champion
belchers, too.
We used GFRC for the cornice of an addition to Lane Hall on U of M's
campus that complemented the terra cotta cornice of the original
building. There was plenty of terra cotta where the addition abutted
the original building to salvage for repairs, but not enough to go
around the addition. We didn't want the addition to exactly match the
original building anyway, and this allowed us to cast the profile
without dentils, and match the color. From the ground the difference is
subtle. No fuzzies, but it doesn't get a lot of sun, either, except in
the morning. The addition is built on a structural steel frame. The
shell of the GFRC is about an inch thick. It looks more like Indiana
limestone than terra cotta, but somewhat lighter because of the shell
construction.
Ilene R. Tyler
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:18:50 EDT
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The following is from my masons journal , it was written just after the PTN
confrence the best way to enjoy iit is to print and read at your leisure
Travels with Peanut
My two and one half year old, Mary, blew off the babysitter
and said she wanted to spend the day with Da -Da .
Such decisions have a ripple effect in the trickle down economy of day care
negoation and are not to be taken lightly.
I positioned my cigar and with arms folded took a defensive stand behind
my best rock face and screwed it into a puss. .
Nutt-ing doing ;
she reads me like a book ,
When I look into those baby blues... I am toast.
I don't know what it is,
I hold my own at board meetings , leveled teamsters on the take
and backed down rough necks on drilling rigs;
but bargaining with the "Peanut" and those baby blues..
.is treachery.,chicanory and piracy on the high seas of kids with winners
take all..
With the market down and my portfolio in shambles;
I punt to the winds of sanity and give in to the therapy
of road trip with Mary; sometimes known as Peanut..
Playing hooky from my worldly responsibility and how important I am is a
necessary elixir to my financial depression. I let it ride and take a ride.
.
I packed peanut and Louise ;my hunting dog ,
up in the old open air pick up, and under buttermilk skys take the cruise
at 45 mph the back country roads
. letting the air and the smells of the coutryside permeate the ol GMC as
we ramble down sunken roads of hardwood and pine
where moo cows nod howdy and the hay is in second cutting...
Louise , the Airedale ,rides shotgun and sticks her scruffy head out the
window and acts the bearded dowager as the scratchy A.M receiver lets
Peanut and I sing country Western off key.
Its 97 deg out but we don't care ,
"Peanut" sports a tiny N.Y Fire dept tank top ; cheap sun glasses is
barefoot with a diaper that has Minnie Mouse on it.
As the C&W plays , Mary bouces along caterwalling and
takes turns putting her sunglasses on Louise who lets the glasses fit
lopside and finds it old hat, .
We tend to like to visit the little tie rail, cross roads , of fried green
tomatoe cafes.and two pump filling stations that dot these dirt roads.
We only stop at places where Mary knows the waitresses and she knows alot of
waitreses;
They make a fuss over her and it usually gets da-da a free cuppa and a piece
of pie, which does nothing for the waistline,
They ply her with suckers and gummy scooby doos which I confiscate with
complicated flim flams .
as she diaper dances past old jukeboxes and patrons frozen in time..
Deep woods Mississippi suffers from the benefit of No 50's modernization ,.
60's renovation, 70's restoration , or 80's preservation .Dotted among vast
timber tracts are ;
Little outposts of turn of century store fronts
Windblown vernacular oddesseys of "last picture show" emporiums where the
screen door with the tin sign slams your butt and encapsulates you,
helpless in depression era wonders of stacked canned goods alongside chill
boxes with bottled Dr. Pepper .
You pay at the manual cash register hung with assorted moon pies that are
decorated from above with fly paper ribbon from a tin ceiling .
.
Dogs sleep all over the porch; and you can curl up with "The News of the
World " or "The Enquirer " on some cane chairs provided you lean back on them.
If these are Twilight zones l'll take em .
The East Village has retro ; this is real deal.
Here you can still find 50's floral patterns on the shoulders of country
girls who prove to you they are more comfortable without shoes ; (or bras)
as they sweet drawl you over tail gate produce in dazziling displays of
sweet melons, garlands of peppers, "mate-rrs, "and white and golden corn
that can melt in your mouth. ..
As Mary inspects kitchens with young silver haired Grandmas who push cookies
I get caught up on local sports and gossip with men in white shirts and
suspenders who chaw in rocking chairs and use the red dirt road out front as
a cuspidor.
They love to talk story and pontificate the finer points about the . Braves
(and their working mules) both who seem indcernable to me this late in
the season.
They complain good naturally about the next cross roads down the road as
"Ticky" or strange. .
Humanity always amazes me ; no matter how poor one place is another is
always worse.
I must say down the road is unusual.
Mary and I like to go there because because the people are just a little
more "different"or
"Diverse" as I like to kid my wife , Belinda
Geologists like it because it was an impact zone ,for a meteor about the time
of the dinosaurs.
This leads to speculations that the in habitants are "walk ins"
(exterteresstial visitors) trying to act normal but out of sync
with their bee hive hair dos; make shift clothing
and 40's small town
quirky simplicity of Barney Fifes and red neck geniuses
settled around a town square that time has forgot.
We make the town square after a 15 min drive through corn fields.
To pass muster with the extreterrestials -Da-da poses as the country
rube with an old upturned "yeller"straw with Jap shades that sit crooked
on my nose then let Mary run interference as we thump mellons and meander
through bric -a -brac of old tail gates full of farm tools and pictures of
Jesus.
No UFO's here
A gaggle of Mennonite Women in white caps and identical house dresses in
red checkered cloth eye Mary as if she needs a bath....she dosen't
but I get the picture
Old farmers with cracked and weathered faces and necks red from the sun sit
by pens of rabbits and squawking fowl talking story and spitting chaw into
the red earth.
We pet baby goats and tug on homemade ice lollys
and listen to their banter on how the miners who were buried alive ;
requested "chaw"
to be sent down the rescue pipe.
Smiles all around followed by more spitting.
Just then tow head Country children run barefoot through mud and mowed grass
followed by yapping puppies..
.Mary trys to follow and I catch her by tables of farm women with broad
worn work hands who sell homemade jams and jellys and dried flowers .
They laugh at the "Chillun" running and crow with drawls so thick you
need an interpeter to make sense of it..
We move along after getting jam on our faces near where
a gospel station plays out of the chrome dash of one old pick-up that sits
in front of a revival tent
Mary picks up tempo and bounces on those little legs mimicking
the tinny old gospel
......."Victory for Jesus ...My savior... fur ever" ....
With the cheap shades on and dancing while holding Louise with a
clothesline leash...
Im not sure she fits the image of being saved
...
."He (jesus) lifted me and saved me "....blares the radio
.
Worse yet
Im not sure I want to know the pint sized Lolita ;
as she is bouncing her "booty" in front of the church ladys
who close in to .... "save "her
" He lifted me and saved me with his sacred blood"...Oh Victory fur Jesus"...
Push comes to shove, Finally I come to my senses and I "Save " her.
..managing to just escape the impending revival..tent .by a reverend with a
beard that could double for Mr. Natural ..
'Have you been saved brother?" he asks
"Are dogs allowed ?" I respond
"why No..
"Then I guess I will stay with the unwashed ...... perhaps next time" ..
Getting saved in Mississippi is not the same as say when your wife saves you
at a cocktail party...
.the ramifications are much more complicated .;
for one you have to give up cocktail partys
not an option as my therapist won't allow it
Too bad; as there are folks here who get saved every week
Besides It looks like fun getting dunked in the river ;
then going off and falling in sin ( getting drunk) ,or worse.....
only to get dunked ..
.and saved again
Up North its different
you get hosed once a week at the collection box;
and once you make communion you are perpetually saved
its more expensive that way ,
but at least you can still share beverages with your friends . .. .... .
and forgo the pond water once a week
No walk ins today......it must be mid week...but no telling what we would of
found in the revival tent.
Besides its time for Marys nap
By afternoon we make a job site and Mary lays down with Louise in the truck
under the shade of a grove of peach trees while I hob nob with the masons
and contemplate
the little things .
Michael .
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:38:25 EDT
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Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/8/02 11:16:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone?
> Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
SSDC -- Same Shit, Different Color.
BTW, the brownstone at Col. Klink's house at 28 W 40th St was delaminating
and had already been schmeared before we re-schmeared it. The Board approved
the color (which to me looks even more like melted chocolate ice cream than
the usual brownstone schmear). I don't suppose you happened to notice the
joints we had cut into the schmear to align with the joints in the original
stones. As for the storefront, it had been Dryvited (hence the hollow
sound-- you were tapping on 1/8" of stucco over styrofoam, which is what that
shit is) years before.
Ralph
What, me bitter?
Ralph
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<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone? Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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SSDC -- Same Shit, Different Color.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, the brownstone at Col. Klink's house at 28 W 40th St was delaminating and had already been schmeared before we re-schmeared it. The Board approved the color (which to me looks even more like melted chocolate ice cream than the usual brownstone schmear). I don't suppose you happened to notice the joints we had cut into the schmear to align with the joints in the original stones. As for the storefront, it had been Dryvited (hence the hollow sound-- you were tapping on 1/8" of stucco over styrofoam, which is what that shit is) years before.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:42:56 EDT
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Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/9/02 1:41:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> What in the heck is Permastone?
>
Colored and textured stucco, sometimes applied over a layer of wire lath to
keep it from falling off too soon, which can be worked into an endless
variety of imitation materials: stone, brick, you name it.
Disneyland in California is all textured stucco; I suspect (never having been
there, but I know their fancy hotels are EIFS) DismalWorld in FL is all EIFS
(Exterior Insulation & Finish Systems), which is about the only thing worse
than permastone.
Ralph
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Tahoma" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><B>What in the heck is Permastone?<BR>
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Colored and textured stucco, sometimes applied over a layer of wire lath to keep it from falling off too soon, which can be worked into an endless variety of imitation materials: stone, brick, you name it. <BR>
<BR>
Disneyland in California is all textured stucco; I suspect (never having been there, but I know their fancy hotels are EIFS) DismalWorld in FL is all EIFS (Exterior Insulation & Finish Systems), which is about the only thing worse than permastone.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:10:42 EDT
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Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002
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In a message dated 8/9/02 9:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> And Ralph, only the bad guys "had teeth that seemed to be discarded
> mason's tools and mumbled in Eskimo." That was how we could tell them
> apart, but admittedly it was a fine point. The bad guys were champion
> belchers, too.
>
Esteemed Ilene,
In regard to this matter, you are totally full of shit. Even the women had
bad teeth (and not just the one who tried to get her brother in law [or
whoever he was] to pork her in the tent).
The only reason I can imagine that you didn't think they all mumbled is that
you're some sort of Inuit spy sent down here to rat out the rest of us for a
BIG snowball fight.
Seems to me that the burping scene (as opposed to the fart scene in Blazing
Saddles, which was much more interesting and high class) had the whole tribe,
women and children too, and not just the bad guys. And furthermore, I
thought that the people who are supposed to burp to show their appreciation
for a good meal are the Chinese. But maybe the Eskimos burp for or ANY meal,
good, bad or indifferent. Who knows? Who cares?
With best regards,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/9/02 9:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And Ralph, only the bad guys "had teeth that seemed to be discarded<BR>
mason's tools and mumbled in Eskimo." That was how we could tell them<BR>
apart, but admittedly it was a fine point. The bad guys were champion<BR>
belchers, too.<BR>
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Esteemed Ilene,<BR>
<BR>
In regard to this matter, you are totally full of shit. Even the women had bad teeth (and not just the one who tried to get her brother in law [or whoever he was] to pork her in the tent). <BR>
<BR>
The only reason I can imagine that you didn't think they all mumbled is that you're some sort of Inuit spy sent down here to rat out the rest of us for a BIG snowball fight. <BR>
<BR>
Seems to me that the burping scene (as opposed to the fart scene in Blazing Saddles, which was much more interesting and high class) had the whole tribe, women and children too, and not just the bad guys. And furthermore, I thought that the people who are supposed to burp to show their appreciation for a good meal are the Chinese. But maybe the Eskimos burp for or ANY meal, good, bad or indifferent. Who knows? Who cares?<BR>
<BR>
With best regards,<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:21:18 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Nice work, Pyrate. If only you'd put some of that energy into masonry....
Talked to a guy yesterday who was working up at 59th Street on the East side
last Sept 11, who said he saw the plane climb over Pan Am (and you) and bank
to miss some other building before it headed west and then south.
This week's weather in NY has been as beautiful as that week's was, and I
don't remember it having been so nice in between. Maybe this means we're
recovering, too.
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Nice work, Pyrate. If only you'd put some of that energy into masonry....<BR>
<BR>
Talked to a guy yesterday who was working up at 59th Street on the East side last Sept 11, who said he saw the plane climb over Pan Am (and you) and bank to miss some other building before it headed west and then south. <BR>
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This week's weather in NY has been as beautiful as that week's was, and I don't remember it having been so nice in between. Maybe this means we're recovering, too.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:23:53 -0400
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Michael,
Thanks for the story. It evoked the sights and sounds of a lot of well
remembered southern meanderings. I especially liked the part where you
asked the preacher if dogs were allowed in heaven. The only fist fight I
ever got into as a child was the result of the baptist kid next door telling
me that animals couldn't go to heaven. I beat the snot out of him . . . My
parents didn't exactly punish me for it, but they did encourage me to
refrain from future theological debates.
My best to Belinda, it was great to meet her at IPTW. I want to meet Peanut
next time!
Lisa
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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Travels with Peanut
> The following is from my masons journal , it was written just after the
PTN
> confrence the best way to enjoy iit is to print and read at your leisure
>
>
> Travels with Peanut
>
>
> My two and one half year old, Mary, blew off the babysitter
> and said she wanted to spend the day with Da -Da .
>
> Such decisions have a ripple effect in the trickle down economy of day
care
> negoation and are not to be taken lightly.
>
> I positioned my cigar and with arms folded took a defensive stand
behind
> my best rock face and screwed it into a puss. .
> Nutt-ing doing ;
> she reads me like a book ,
>
> When I look into those baby blues... I am toast.
>
> I don't know what it is,
>
> I hold my own at board meetings , leveled teamsters on the take
> and backed down rough necks on drilling rigs;
> but bargaining with the "Peanut" and those baby blues..
> .is treachery.,chicanory and piracy on the high seas of kids with
winners
> take all..
>
> With the market down and my portfolio in shambles;
> I punt to the winds of sanity and give in to the therapy
> of road trip with Mary; sometimes known as Peanut..
>
> Playing hooky from my worldly responsibility and how important I am is a
> necessary elixir to my financial depression. I let it ride and take a
ride.
> .
>
> I packed peanut and Louise ;my hunting dog ,
> up in the old open air pick up, and under buttermilk skys take the
cruise
> at 45 mph the back country roads
> . letting the air and the smells of the coutryside permeate the ol GMC
as
> we ramble down sunken roads of hardwood and pine
> where moo cows nod howdy and the hay is in second cutting...
>
> Louise , the Airedale ,rides shotgun and sticks her scruffy head out the
> window and acts the bearded dowager as the scratchy A.M receiver lets
> Peanut and I sing country Western off key.
>
> Its 97 deg out but we don't care ,
>
> "Peanut" sports a tiny N.Y Fire dept tank top ; cheap sun glasses is
> barefoot with a diaper that has Minnie Mouse on it.
> As the C&W plays , Mary bouces along caterwalling and
> takes turns putting her sunglasses on Louise who lets the glasses fit
> lopside and finds it old hat, .
>
> We tend to like to visit the little tie rail, cross roads , of fried
green
> tomatoe cafes.and two pump filling stations that dot these dirt roads.
>
> We only stop at places where Mary knows the waitresses and she knows alot
of
> waitreses;
> They make a fuss over her and it usually gets da-da a free cuppa and a
piece
> of pie, which does nothing for the waistline,
> They ply her with suckers and gummy scooby doos which I confiscate with
> complicated flim flams .
> as she diaper dances past old jukeboxes and patrons frozen in time..
>
> Deep woods Mississippi suffers from the benefit of No 50's
modernization ,.
>
> 60's renovation, 70's restoration , or 80's preservation .Dotted among
vast
> timber tracts are ;
> Little outposts of turn of century store fronts
> Windblown vernacular oddesseys of "last picture show" emporiums where
the
> screen door with the tin sign slams your butt and encapsulates you,
> helpless in depression era wonders of stacked canned goods alongside
chill
> boxes with bottled Dr. Pepper .
>
> You pay at the manual cash register hung with assorted moon pies that
are
> decorated from above with fly paper ribbon from a tin ceiling .
> .
> Dogs sleep all over the porch; and you can curl up with "The News of the
> World " or "The Enquirer " on some cane chairs provided you lean back on
them.
>
> If these are Twilight zones l'll take em .
> The East Village has retro ; this is real deal.
> Here you can still find 50's floral patterns on the shoulders of
country
> girls who prove to you they are more comfortable without shoes ; (or
bras)
> as they sweet drawl you over tail gate produce in dazziling displays
of
> sweet melons, garlands of peppers, "mate-rrs, "and white and golden corn
> that can melt in your mouth. ..
>
> As Mary inspects kitchens with young silver haired Grandmas who push
cookies
> I get caught up on local sports and gossip with men in white shirts and
> suspenders who chaw in rocking chairs and use the red dirt road out front
as
> a cuspidor.
>
> They love to talk story and pontificate the finer points about the .
Braves
> (and their working mules) both who seem indcernable to me this late
in
> the season.
>
> They complain good naturally about the next cross roads down the road as
> "Ticky" or strange. .
> Humanity always amazes me ; no matter how poor one place is another is
> always worse.
> I must say down the road is unusual.
> Mary and I like to go there because because the people are just a little
> more "different"or
> "Diverse" as I like to kid my wife , Belinda
>
> Geologists like it because it was an impact zone ,for a meteor about the
time
> of the dinosaurs.
> This leads to speculations that the in habitants are "walk ins"
> (exterteresstial visitors) trying to act normal but out of sync
> with their bee hive hair dos; make shift clothing
> and 40's small town
> quirky simplicity of Barney Fifes and red neck geniuses
> settled around a town square that time has forgot.
>
> We make the town square after a 15 min drive through corn fields.
>
> To pass muster with the extreterrestials -Da-da poses as the country
> rube with an old upturned "yeller"straw with Jap shades that sit
crooked
> on my nose then let Mary run interference as we thump mellons and
meander
> through bric -a -brac of old tail gates full of farm tools and pictures
of
> Jesus.
> No UFO's here
> A gaggle of Mennonite Women in white caps and identical house dresses
in
> red checkered cloth eye Mary as if she needs a bath....she dosen't
> but I get the picture
>
> Old farmers with cracked and weathered faces and necks red from the sun
sit
> by pens of rabbits and squawking fowl talking story and spitting chaw
into
> the red earth.
>
> We pet baby goats and tug on homemade ice lollys
> and listen to their banter on how the miners who were buried alive ;
> requested "chaw"
> to be sent down the rescue pipe.
> Smiles all around followed by more spitting.
>
> Just then tow head Country children run barefoot through mud and mowed
grass
> followed by yapping puppies..
> .Mary trys to follow and I catch her by tables of farm women with broad
> worn work hands who sell homemade jams and jellys and dried flowers .
> They laugh at the "Chillun" running and crow with drawls so thick you
> need an interpeter to make sense of it..
> We move along after getting jam on our faces near where
> a gospel station plays out of the chrome dash of one old pick-up that
sits
> in front of a revival tent
> Mary picks up tempo and bounces on those little legs mimicking
> the tinny old gospel
> ......."Victory for Jesus ...My savior... fur ever" ....
>
> With the cheap shades on and dancing while holding Louise with a
> clothesline leash...
> Im not sure she fits the image of being saved
> ...
> ."He (jesus) lifted me and saved me "....blares the radio
> .
> Worse yet
> Im not sure I want to know the pint sized Lolita ;
> as she is bouncing her "booty" in front of the church ladys
> who close in to .... "save "her
>
> " He lifted me and saved me with his sacred blood"...Oh Victory fur
Jesus"...
>
> Push comes to shove, Finally I come to my senses and I "Save " her.
> ..managing to just escape the impending revival..tent .by a reverend with
a
> beard that could double for Mr. Natural ..
>
> 'Have you been saved brother?" he asks
>
> "Are dogs allowed ?" I respond
> "why No..
>
> "Then I guess I will stay with the unwashed ...... perhaps next time" ..
>
> Getting saved in Mississippi is not the same as say when your wife saves
you
> at a cocktail party...
> .the ramifications are much more complicated .;
> for one you have to give up cocktail partys
>
> not an option as my therapist won't allow it
>
> Too bad; as there are folks here who get saved every week
> Besides It looks like fun getting dunked in the river ;
> then going off and falling in sin ( getting drunk) ,or worse.....
> only to get dunked ..
> .and saved again
>
> Up North its different
> you get hosed once a week at the collection box;
> and once you make communion you are perpetually saved
>
> its more expensive that way ,
> but at least you can still share beverages with your friends . .. ....
.
> and forgo the pond water once a week
>
> No walk ins today......it must be mid week...but no telling what we would
of
> found in the revival tent.
> Besides its time for Marys nap
> By afternoon we make a job site and Mary lays down with Louise in the
truck
> under the shade of a grove of peach trees while I hob nob with the masons
> and contemplate
> the little things .
>
> Michael .
>
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> uncoffee-ed, or to change your settings, go to:
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:11:01 -0400
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Dear Mikey,
I too looked at my "retirement fund" and decided despite the required
seven days and two eight hour shifts in week 15 of the construction
season, that I would not be denied completely. No summer vacation, no
weekends. At 11:00am Wednesday morning I go to leave the office and
find little Edward (10, he also has baby blues, you met him as a
brunette) and sports a white blond buzz cut, on the computer. He says:
"Dad, what's the matter, you look all stressed out?" I said, "Edward,
it's eleven o'clock and you didn't go to camp. Did you practice piano
or read?" His reply: "No Dad, it didn't work out". In his large and
convoluted world, I am trying to figure out all the distractions that
have contributed to the "not working out", but before I can respond he
says: "look Dad, how about I go with you? You could use the company."
Yep, OK, no problem. We hit the road to go to meetings and do errands.
At 1:00pm after a sumptuous lunch at Richter's we drive by the Hertz
place where we pass a 2002 white Mustang Convertible. Yep, we leave the
truck in the lot and drive out new men. We finish the day out; my
little assistant is a great hit. Mom makes pizza for dinner and then we
cruise in the stang to the beach. Football, tag and swimming under the
last long rays of light. The Coast Guard Cutter is burning orange off
shore and the training vessels from New Haven Harbor with their red
sails are cutting the blue horizon on one of the summer's best days.
Life is good.....
Best to you and family and all the BP paparazzi.
Leland
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From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
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Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:19 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Travels with Peanut
The following is from my masons journal , it was written just after the
PTN confrence the best way to enjoy iit is to print and read at your
leisure
Travels with Peanut
My two and one half year old, Mary, blew off the babysitter
and said she wanted to spend the day with Da -Da .
Such decisions have a ripple effect in the trickle down economy of day
care negoation and are not to be taken lightly.
I positioned my cigar and with arms folded took a defensive stand
behind
my best rock face and screwed it into a puss. .
Nutt-ing doing ;
she reads me like a book ,
When I look into those baby blues... I am toast.
I don't know what it is,
I hold my own at board meetings , leveled teamsters on the take
and backed down rough necks on drilling rigs;
but bargaining with the "Peanut" and those baby blues..
.is treachery.,chicanory and piracy on the high seas of kids with
winners take all..
With the market down and my portfolio in shambles;
I punt to the winds of sanity and give in to the therapy
of road trip with Mary; sometimes known as Peanut..
Playing hooky from my worldly responsibility and how important I am is
a necessary elixir to my financial depression. I let it ride and take a
ride. .
I packed peanut and Louise ;my hunting dog ,
up in the old open air pick up, and under buttermilk skys take the
cruise at 45 mph the back country roads . letting the air and the
smells of the coutryside permeate the ol GMC as we ramble down sunken
roads of hardwood and pine where moo cows nod howdy and the hay is in
second cutting...
Louise , the Airedale ,rides shotgun and sticks her scruffy head out
the window and acts the bearded dowager as the scratchy A.M receiver
lets Peanut and I sing country Western off key.
Its 97 deg out but we don't care ,
"Peanut" sports a tiny N.Y Fire dept tank top ; cheap sun glasses is
barefoot with a diaper that has Minnie Mouse on it.
As the C&W plays , Mary bouces along caterwalling and
takes turns putting her sunglasses on Louise who lets the glasses fit
lopside and finds it old hat, .
We tend to like to visit the little tie rail, cross roads , of fried
green
tomatoe cafes.and two pump filling stations that dot these dirt roads.
We only stop at places where Mary knows the waitresses and she knows
alot of waitreses; They make a fuss over her and it usually gets da-da a
free cuppa and a piece of pie, which does nothing for the waistline,
They ply her with suckers and gummy scooby doos which I confiscate with
complicated flim flams . as she diaper dances past old jukeboxes and
patrons frozen in time..
Deep woods Mississippi suffers from the benefit of No 50's
modernization ,.
60's renovation, 70's restoration , or 80's preservation .Dotted among
vast timber tracts are ; Little outposts of turn of century store fronts
Windblown vernacular oddesseys of "last picture show" emporiums where
the screen door with the tin sign slams your butt and encapsulates you,
helpless in depression era wonders of stacked canned goods alongside
chill boxes with bottled Dr. Pepper .
You pay at the manual cash register hung with assorted moon pies
that are decorated from above with fly paper ribbon from a tin ceiling
. . Dogs sleep all over the porch; and you can curl up with "The News
of the World " or "The Enquirer " on some cane chairs provided you lean
back on them.
If these are Twilight zones l'll take em .
The East Village has retro ; this is real deal.
Here you can still find 50's floral patterns on the shoulders of
country girls who prove to you they are more comfortable without shoes ;
(or bras)
as they sweet drawl you over tail gate produce in dazziling
displays of
sweet melons, garlands of peppers, "mate-rrs, "and white and golden
corn
that can melt in your mouth. ..
As Mary inspects kitchens with young silver haired Grandmas who push
cookies I get caught up on local sports and gossip with men in white
shirts and suspenders who chaw in rocking chairs and use the red dirt
road out front as a cuspidor.
They love to talk story and pontificate the finer points about the .
Braves
(and their working mules) both who seem indcernable to me this late
in
the season.
They complain good naturally about the next cross roads down the road
as "Ticky" or strange. . Humanity always amazes me ; no matter how poor
one place is another is always worse. I must say down the road is
unusual. Mary and I like to go there because because the people are
just a little more "different"or
"Diverse" as I like to kid my wife , Belinda
Geologists like it because it was an impact zone ,for a meteor about the
time of the dinosaurs. This leads to speculations that the in habitants
are "walk ins" (exterteresstial visitors) trying to act normal but out
of sync with their bee hive hair dos; make shift clothing and 40's
small town quirky simplicity of Barney Fifes and red neck geniuses
settled around a town square that time has forgot.
We make the town square after a 15 min drive through corn fields.
To pass muster with the extreterrestials -Da-da poses as the
country
rube with an old upturned "yeller"straw with Jap shades that sit
crooked on my nose then let Mary run interference as we thump mellons
and meander through bric -a -brac of old tail gates full of farm tools
and pictures of Jesus. No UFO's here
A gaggle of Mennonite Women in white caps and identical house dresses
in
red checkered cloth eye Mary as if she needs a bath....she dosen't but I
get the picture
Old farmers with cracked and weathered faces and necks red from the sun
sit by pens of rabbits and squawking fowl talking story and spitting
chaw into the red earth.
We pet baby goats and tug on homemade ice lollys
and listen to their banter on how the miners who were buried alive ;
requested "chaw" to be sent down the rescue pipe. Smiles all around
followed by more spitting.
Just then tow head Country children run barefoot through mud and mowed
grass followed by yapping puppies.. .Mary trys to follow and I catch
her by tables of farm women with broad worn work hands who sell
homemade jams and jellys and dried flowers .
They laugh at the "Chillun" running and crow with drawls so thick
you
need an interpeter to make sense of it..
We move along after getting jam on our faces near where
a gospel station plays out of the chrome dash of one old pick-up that
sits in front of a revival tent
Mary picks up tempo and bounces on those little legs mimicking the
tinny old gospel ......."Victory for Jesus ...My savior... fur ever"
....
With the cheap shades on and dancing while holding Louise with a
clothesline leash...
Im not sure she fits the image of being saved
...
."He (jesus) lifted me and saved me "....blares the radio
.
Worse yet
Im not sure I want to know the pint sized Lolita ;
as she is bouncing her "booty" in front of the church ladys who
close in to .... "save "her
" He lifted me and saved me with his sacred blood"...Oh Victory fur
Jesus"...
Push comes to shove, Finally I come to my senses and I "Save " her.
..managing to just escape the impending revival..tent .by a reverend
with a beard that could double for Mr. Natural ..
'Have you been saved brother?" he asks
"Are dogs allowed ?" I respond
"why No..
"Then I guess I will stay with the unwashed ...... perhaps next time"
..
Getting saved in Mississippi is not the same as say when your wife
saves you at a cocktail party... .the ramifications are much more
complicated .; for one you have to give up cocktail partys
not an option as my therapist won't allow it
Too bad; as there are folks here who get saved every week Besides It
looks like fun getting dunked in the river ; then going off and falling
in sin ( getting drunk) ,or worse..... only to get dunked .. .and saved
again
Up North its different
you get hosed once a week at the collection box;
and once you make communion you are perpetually saved
its more expensive that way ,
but at least you can still share beverages with your friends . .. ....
. and forgo the pond water once a week
No walk ins today......it must be mid week...but no telling what we
would of found in the revival tent. Besides its time for Marys nap By
afternoon we make a job site and Mary lays down with Louise in the
truck under the shade of a grove of peach trees while I hob nob with
the masons and contemplate the little things .
Michael .
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:07:12 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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When I was twenty, late nights, naked women, and alchohol of all sorts was
all I really noticed and went after. As age progresses, you start to realize
that the number of trees you will see before you die is a finite number. You
realize that the brook down the road that you have always been meaning to
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:55:33 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:43:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Colored and textured stucco, sometimes applied over a layer of wire lath to
> keep the shit from falling off too soon, which can be worked into an
> endless variety of imitation materials: stone shit, brick shit, shit you
> name it.
>
>
Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this
shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
Stuccoed Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:43:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Colored and textured stucco, sometimes applied over a layer of wire lath to keep the <B>shit </B>from falling off too soon, which can be worked into an endless variety of imitation materials: stone <B>shit</B>, brick <B>shit</B>, <B>shit</B> you name it. <BR>
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Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:59:53 EDT
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In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:11:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Even the women had bad teeth (and not just the one who tried to get her
> brother in law [or whoever he was] to pork her in the tent).
>
All right I missed something and it sounds really good. Did the women have
bad teeth or no teeth? Where was the husband... porking the sister-in-law?
Steve
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Even the women had bad teeth (and not just the one who tried to get her brother in law [or whoever he was] to pork her in the tent). <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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All right I missed something and it sounds really good. Did the women have bad teeth or no teeth? Where was the husband... porking the sister-in-law?<BR>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:07:21 EDT
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Subject: Re: Travels with Peanut
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In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:21:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Maybe this means we're recovering, too.
>
Once we roll Asshola Bin-Laden up like a bugger and thump him then we will be
able to fully recover.
"Let's Roll!"
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:21:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe this means we're recovering, too.<BR>
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Once we roll Asshola Bin-Laden up like a bugger and thump him then we will be able to fully recover.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=7 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><B> "Let's Roll!"</B> </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:13:36 EDT
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Subject: Re: from a short story by vodka-breath....
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In a message dated 8/9/2002 11:10:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> When I was twenty, late nights, naked women, and alchohol of all sorts was
> all I really noticed and went after. As age progresses, you start to
> realize that the number of trees you will see before you die is a finite
> number. You realize that the brook down the road that you have always been
> meaning to investigate--you realize that if you don't visit it this very
> morning that you might not make it there.
Hmmmmmm.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">When I was twenty, late nights, naked women, and alchohol of all sorts was all I really noticed and went after. As age progresses, you start to realize that the number of trees you will see before you die is a finite number. You realize that the brook down the road that you have always been meaning to investigate--you realize that if you don't visit it this very morning that you might not make it there. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:33:47 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this
> shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
>
Same shit, different names.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Same shit, different names.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:36:18 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002
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In a message dated 8/10/02 12:43:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> All right I missed something and it sounds really good. Did the women have
> bad teeth or no teeth? Where was the husband... porking the sister-in-law?
>
No. You missed something bad. Keep it that way. Such teeth as the women
had were NFG, just like the men (and their teeth).
OR you can believe Fancy Pants Ilene FAIA and waste 3 miserable hours
watching this movie that makes Dryvit look good. But don't say I didn't warn
you.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/10/02 12:43:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">All right I missed something and it sounds really good. Did the women have bad teeth or no teeth? Where was the husband... porking the sister-in-law?<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
No. You missed something bad. Keep it that way. Such teeth as the women had were NFG, just like the men (and their teeth). <BR>
<BR>
OR you can believe Fancy Pants Ilene FAIA and waste 3 miserable hours watching this movie that makes Dryvit look good. But don't say I didn't warn you.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:19:37 EDT
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Thanks for the feedback,,,
Good verse from Leland and Vodka breath too.
..started testing my fly ash yesterday
I am getting good results using slaked hydrate lime water with a little
hydraulic putty thrown in.....I get a 50 lb bag for $4.00....makes 20 gallons
of slaked water
.......next I plan to use added casein.......then perhaps mixes of coarse
sand with red clay fines (30%) .......the fly ash has 12% free lime the rest
is ????
signed alchemist at work...Michael
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:36:00 EDT
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Subject: Perseids
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Pretty good show so far up here in the Vineyard - not swarms of small
meteors, but a big one every 5 minutes or so, big enough to leave a doubled
trail of smoke, some even with yellow colored light, all only a 9-11 in the
evening. Peak is always supposedly after midnight.
Peanut, seen anything yet? Sign me, Refractory Period
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Pretty good show so far up here in the Vineyard - not swarms of small meteors, but a big one every 5 minutes or so, big enough to leave a doubled trail of smoke, some even with yellow colored light, all only a 9-11 in the evening. Peak is always supposedly after midnight.
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<BR>Peanut, seen anything yet? Sign me, Refractory Period</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:15:39 EDT
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Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies; where I
tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that have
taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it ....its
worse is on the coast several people have died and its the worst outbreak
since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last century .....so we have
been doing less outside
signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:27:34 EDT
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From: Mary Krugman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/10/2002 9:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> >> Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because
>> this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
>>
>
> Same shit, different names.
>
I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the
substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area ... is
it?
M
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/10/2002 9:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>Same shit, different names.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area ... is it?
<BR>
<BR>M</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:17:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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The problem is 99% due to design details and not the materials.
It is generally a game of finger pointing by the guilty.
Unsigned and afraid of a lawsuit, or any suit
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Mary Krugman wrote:
> In a message dated 8/10/2002 9:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>> In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because
>> > this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
>>
>> Same shit, different names.
>
> I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the
> substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area
> ... is it?
>
> M
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<font color="#3333FF">The problem is 99% due to <b>design</b> details and
not the materials.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">It is generally a game of finger pointing by the
guilty.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Unsigned and afraid of a lawsuit, or any suit</font>
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<p>Mary Krugman wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>In a message
dated 8/10/2002 9:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>In
a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:</font></font>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Is
this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits because this
shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?</font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Same shit, different
names.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I thought EIFS
was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the substrate. I hadn't
heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area ... is it?</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>M</font></font></font></blockquote>
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Mary Claire and I went to the brook down the road yesterday. She has
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etc." On our Thursday-last bicycle ride (our last Thursday afternoon
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weekend.
So we did. We walked the whole thing. And mom was not upset. Such are
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Occasional limpid pools of gasping fish and waterbugs darting on a sheen
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Anyone who liked The Fast Runner, which I haven't seen but have heard a =
lot about, should seek out a little-known one called The Pathfinder. =
It's based on a Scandinavian folk tale or legend about a young boy's =
journey to adulthood. It's a very simple but suspenseful and beautiful =
movie. I don't know many people who have seen it.
-=3D-Dan
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1. BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 7 Aug 2002 to 8 Aug 2002 (#2002-212)
2. The Times West Virginian and IPTW
3. Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a... (6)
4. What is GFRC? (9)
5. BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 7 Aug 2002 to 8 Aug 2002 =20
(#2002-212)
6. Brownstone vs. .... permastone (2)
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:55:30 -0400
From: "Ilene R. Tyler" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 7 Aug 2002 to 8 Aug 2002 =
(#2002-212)
Thanks to everyone who responded about my mortar problem. =3D20
We are somewhat resolved now to keep our original and specified mortar
mix, which I didn't think of as Type K but as a modified Type N. Type K
isn't in the ASTM charts. This is a slow-curing hard mortar, which
should test at 5-700 psi in 7 days and cure to 12-1500 psi at 90 days.
It matches the original design, and we believe this was specified to
allow for all kinds of movement in the face brick of large brick walls
with no expansion joints. It has served the 89 nine year old building
extremely well.
The problem is that it can't be mixed or handled the same as cement or
cement-lime conventional mortars. We have good advice from John
Zarzecki at SME supporting our decision to stay with the design. We are
working with the contractor to make his adjustments and keep to specs.
And, for the record, my husband and I loved "The Fast Runner". Yes,
it's almost 3 hours in Innuit, but it is beautiful. It is a fable of a
lost culture, and the story is beautifully told. Ralph was not fully
prepared for the experience; it helps to know in advance that it is
almost 3 hours long and subtitled. Don't forget to stay for the
credits, too, as they show a bit about how the movie was filmed in the
horrific climate. Anyway, support your local alternative and downtown
historic theaters!
QUINN EVANS | ARCHITECTS
Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
219 1/2 N. Main Street
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:22:15 -0400
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
In a message dated Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:14:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> That figures, the man was bi-polar.
And a bricklayer and painter, too. Does that make him multipolar?
And speaking of polar, and boring, don't ANYBODY ever see a movie called
The Fast Runner. Mrs. Ralph dragged me to it, and why I sat through 3
hours a Eskimo Domestic Disputes is a mystery. And to think I sat on
the same ass that got pinched lo those many years ago. Maybe there
isn't a mystery after all.
Ralph
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:54 -0400
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Mortar Strength
I read Mark Clark's message with interest, because:
1. Mea culpa. It makes me realize that I misread the original posting,
which describes a Type K, not Type O mix and 2. It underscores the
confusion in the grey areas surrounding the borderline between all-lime
and cement-lime blends.
It seems to me that Mark approaches the question from the point of view
of someone accustomed to working with pure lime mixes, whereas,
admittedly, our work has almost entirely involved cement-lime blends. We
do millions of pounds of Type N and Type O mortars, smaller and more
infrequent runs of Type K's.
The main reason I am given by conservators for specifying Type K is to
gain early frost and rain resistance, an important consideration in the
Northern states. The curing requirements are also reduced, as are lime
streaking tendencies, which can be of value when engaging commercial
restoration contractors who have not mastered the art of employing more
traditional materials, a commercial reality.
The 3:1 sand to cementitious materials ratio is correct for Type K,
although I would agree with Mark that most all-lime mortar recipes I
have seen use less sand. I disagree with the comments about Type I White
Portland cement, however. White cement is not made white by higher
temperature firing, it is white due to lower iron content in the rock
used as feedstock for the cement plant. Type I White cement must meet
the same performance requirements as Type I grey cement, under ASTM
C150.
What may be confusing to those who rely on feel and observation, rather
than quantitative methods, is that in order to maintain a certain level
of brightness, cement producers often grind their white Portland to a
finer particle size, similar to a Type III grey cement. This produces a
little faster hydration due to increased surface area, but the ultimate
strength is unchanged.
We have used white cement in Type K mortars without any reported
difficulties. While I am inclined to agree that mortars which are too
hard are a potential disaster, I am also inclined to question what
represents "too hard" in many situations. Certainly the age and design
of the building, the hardness of the stone or masonry, and the weather
exposures are important engineering concerns. Sometimes engineering
approaches may point you in opposite directions from typical
preservation philosophies. I tend to encourage the use of critical
analysis as to the true needs of each particluar situation.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:41:32 -0400
From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: The Times West Virginian and IPTW
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:26:11 EDT
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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> Mrs. Ralph dragged me to it, and why I sat through 3 hours a Eskimo =
Domestic
> Disputes is a mystery.
Because she told you to.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:56:40 -0400
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 8:26:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Because she told you to.
Steve,
I always said you were a fart smeller, too.
Ilene and Mr. Ilene must be so starved for culture out there in the =
midwestern flatlands that they think this stupid movie was good. Even =
Mrs. Ralph, who hails from the Holy Town of Oak Park, IL, couldn't stand =
it. And I DID stay for the credits, which include the information that =
the names of the Eskimo actors, whose characters have names like =
Igloomukluk Muklukigloo, are actually Barbara Muklukigloo and John =
Whaleblubbereater. It wasn't possible to keep all these Eskimos =
straight, given the fact that their characters had 15 letter names =
(instead of John and Barbara), they all looked identical, and that's =
with their clothes OFF, all had teeth that seemed to be discarded =
mason's tools and mumbled in Eskimo.
ZZZZZZZZZZz.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:04:12 EDT
From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: What is GFRC?
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Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"?
or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
or Go Fish Reindeer Chowder?
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:42:30 -0400
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 7 Aug 2002 to 8 Aug 2002
(#2002-212)
our original and specified mortar
> mix, which I didn't think of as Type K but as a modified Type N.
Type K
> isn't in the ASTM charts.
> Ilene R. Tyler, FAIA
>
Type K mortar is listed in Appendix X3 - Tuck Pointing Mortar, in ASTM
C270. It is described as 1 part Portland cement, 2.25 to 4 parts lime,
and 2.25 to 3 times the total volume of cement and lime for the sand.
It is listed in the Appendix as an alternate to Type O for exterior,
above grade service, exposed on one side, unlikely to be frozen when
saturated, not subject to high wind or significant lateral load.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:31 -0400
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
I vote for Good for Future Restoration Contractors.
Mike E.
>
> Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete"?
>
> or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
>
> or Go Fish Reindeer Chowder?
>
>
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:30:18 EDT
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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> ZZZZZZZZZZz.
Narcolepsy... remember!
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:42:55 -0400
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:04:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Have I described it accurately as "Glass Fiber Reinforced
> Concrete"?
>
> or Gaga Fake Rainbow Chocolate?
Depends on whose building you're trashing. Ya hump.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:50:20 -0400
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
In a message dated Thu, 8 Aug 2002 2:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Narcolepsy... remember!
No, that was Vic Hitler.
I have sleep apnea, and the heart surgery is scheduled for Sept 12. =
Somehow, I didn't want the 11th. Besides which, I get out of fasting =
for Yom Kippur. Do I know how to plan, or what?
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:03:33 EDT
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at Union =
Square
the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in =
place
with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a urethane
sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting =
weathered.
GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass, and =
can be
made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to mimic. =
It is
molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as =
lighter
in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost. The =
shell,
as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:05:21 EDT
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
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> I vote for Good for Future Restoration Contractors.
Aha! Nothing like a little chemistry. Good for current restoration
contractors and their desendents as well.
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<BR>
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contractors and their desendents as well.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:06:29 EDT
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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> I have sleep apnea
I like it when you talk technical.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:18:22 -0400
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
> Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
>
> Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at
Union Square
> the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
> replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in
place
> with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a
urethane
> sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting
weathered.
> GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass,
and can be
> made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to
mimic. It is
> molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as
lighter
> in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost.
The shell,
> as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
>
> ][<en
>
> --
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>
>
I have seen it used as a terra cotta substitute. On one project,
completed in 1997 in PA, some of the building was done in GFRC, some
is patched and coated terra cotta and some is original terra cotta.
The patched and coated TC looks a lot more like the original now,
after a few years, than the GFRC.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:48:55 -0700
From: JRhodes <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
Re ][<en's answer:
>Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
Right. (and GFRP =3D ....polymer. Some other countries just call it =
FRC.)
I have seen cornices made of GFRC, replicating stone or terracotta.
Virtue is that the sun's UV doesn't attack GFRC like it can plastics,
yet fabrications are thinner than steel reinforced concrete
considering the coverage you need for weathering. I have heard of
weathered GFRC getting a touch of the "fuzzies" when the fibers start
prickling out.
We used GFRC as the back-up arch for the replicated Guastavino tile
over the Grand Central taxi entrance. Original vault was the
historic Guastavino 3 tile built up system since the original could
be laid up from overhead before the elevated roadway went into place.
GFRC allowed us to replicate the shape, work quickly and provide a
sound back-up to standard tile, working entirely from below. But
don't get the idea that GFRC is really lightweight. Relative to
steel reinforced precast, yes, but at 1/2, 3/4 and thickened toward
reinforced perimeters, it can still get pretty heavy.
The Rev'
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:59:00 EDT
From: Mike Devonshire <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
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We used it to replicate early cast concrete ornament and decorative =
cornice
work on Mills Mansion (McKim Mead White) in Staatsburg, NY. Fabricated =
by
Mike McLeod and Co., the stuff has weathered very well. The original
modillions, individually cast by Italian craftspersons, were partially
supported by wires strapped to mild steel pipe set into the modillion =
walls.
When the pipe corroded, the mods. fell on passersby. We painted the =
stuff -
the glass fibres will break down under UV load.
Twybil
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replicate early cast concrete ornament and decorative cornice work on =
Mills Mansion (McKim Mead White) in Staatsburg, NY. Fabricated by Mike =
McLeod and Co., the stuff has weathered very well. The original =
modillions, individually cast by Italian craftspersons, were partially =
supported by wires strapped to mild steel pipe set into the modillion =
walls. When the pipe corroded, the mods. fell on passersby. We painted =
the stuff - the glass fibres will break down under UV load.
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:47:35 EDT
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Could we sign them up on B-P? Perhaps that would have a...
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> I like it when you talk technical.
>
Does it lull you to sleep?
Ralph
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FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 8/8/02 5:07:03 PM Eastern =
Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; =
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you talk technical.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:06:36 EDT
From: Met History <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" =
permastone?
Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
Christopher
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Which is preferable? =
To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone? Or to =
replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
<BR>
<BR>Christopher</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:12:53 -0700
From: Peter epperly <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
Ken, Could we talk? I think it would be good for you and good for me. =
My
No. is 510-928-3254 cell; Office No. 510-215-2298 & Fax.
> From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: "Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- =
Arlene
> Croce"<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:03:33 EDT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What is GFRC?
>
> Glass Fiber Reinforced Concrete (GFRC) is correct.
>
> Above the entry, right above the door, to the Barnes & Noble at Union =
Square
> the full width of the stone water table with dentals is GFRC made to
> replicate the existing stone on the building. The units are held in =
place
> with stainless steel anchors and the joints are caulked with a =
urethane
> sealant. I have a section of same sitting in my back yard getting =
weathered.
> GFRC in my experience has better color retention than figerglass, and =
can be
> made to look very much like the stone it is often fabricated to mimic. =
It is
> molded, faster to fabricate and cheaper than carved stone as well as =
lighter
> in weight, reducing transportation and installation time and cost. The =
shell,
> as I remember it, is +/- 1/2" thickness.
>
> ][<en
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:29:14 EDT
From: "Mark W. James" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/8/2002 8:16:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Which is preferable? To keep a solid, intact facade of "real" =
permastone?
> Or to replace it with tinted stucco - fake brownstone.
You know, that name "Permastone," sounds like an embalming fluid or =
slang for
viagra. What in the heck is Permastone?
MJ
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" =
FACE=3D"Tahoma" LANG=3D"0"><B>In a message dated 8/8/2002 8:16:46 PM =
Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE =
TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Which is preferable? To keep =
a solid, intact facade of "real" permastone? Or to replace it with =
tinted stucco - fake brownstone. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Tahoma" LANG=3D"0"><B><BR>
You know, that name "Permastone," sounds like an embalming fluid or =
slang for viagra. What in the heck is Permastone?<BR>
MJ</B></FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:55:40 -0400
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Sender: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: 99% Design
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OK, Bryan, so in your estimation what percentage of ALL failed
projects is due to design errors as opposed to, say, workmanship or
materials?
Mike E.
>
> The problem is 99% due to design details and not the materials.
>
> It is generally a game of finger pointing by the guilty.
>
> Unsigned and afraid of a lawsuit, or any suit
> ---------------
>
> Mary Krugman wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 8/10/2002 9:34:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > [log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >> In a message dated 8/9/02 11:55:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Is this the same shit that's generating all of these law suits
because
> >> > this shit holds in moisture and rots all of the interior wood?
> >>
> >> Same shit, different names.
> >
> > I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot
the
> > substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this
area
> > ... is it?
> >
> > M
>
>
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:19:13 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Darling,
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/11/02 10:27:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the
> substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area ...
> is it?
>
>
If it's installed over wood siding or wood frame, the result will be the
same. I worked for a contractor in Joisey City who had done alum siding
installation for Sears some years earlier. He pulled up the the address he'd
been given, rang the bell, introduced himself to the lady as the contractor
who was there to install the aluminum siding, and asked if he had the right
address. She said yes. He asked if she did in fact want the aluminum siding
installed on her house. She said yes, she did. It was a stone house.
Sign me,
There's no accounting for some people's taste
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/11/02 10:27:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I thought EIFS was the Big Culprit famous for letting moisture rot the substrate. I hadn't heard of Permastone as a big offender in this area ... is it?
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>If it's installed over wood siding or wood frame, the result will be the same. I worked for a contractor in Joisey City who had done alum siding installation for Sears some years earlier. He pulled up the the address he'd been given, rang the bell, introduced himself to the lady as the contractor who was there to install the aluminum siding, and asked if he had the right address. She said yes. He asked if she did in fact want the aluminum siding installed on her house. She said yes, she did. It was a stone house.
<BR>
<BR>Sign me,
<BR>
<BR>There's no accounting for some people's taste</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:27:15 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Darling,
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/12/02 8:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> The problem is 99% due to design details and not the materials. It is
> generally a game of finger pointing by the guilty. Unsigned and afraid of a
> lawsuit, or any suit
>
>
Spoken like a true contractor. It's hard to separate inadequate design
detailing from a system (designed and promoted by a manufacturer whose
details don't show flashing but whose notes indicate that the detailing
should be reviewed and designed by an architect to account for local
conditions) that doesn't permit use of flashing, installed by a contractor
who can more or less legitimately claim to have done what the manufacturer
and architect told him to do.
It's our job to go in after the battle is over and bayonet the survivors.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/12/02 8:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#3333ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The problem is 99% due to <B>design</B> details and not the materials.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#3333ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">It is generally a game of finger pointing by the guilty.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </FONT><FONT COLOR="#3333ff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Unsigned and afraid of a lawsuit, or any suit</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>Spoken like a true contractor. It's hard to separate inadequate design detailing from a system (designed and promoted by a manufacturer whose details don't show flashing but whose notes indicate that the detailing should be reviewed and designed by an architect to account for local conditions) that doesn't permit use of flashing, installed by a contractor who can more or less legitimately claim to have done what the manufacturer and architect told him to do.
<BR>
<BR>It's our job to go in after the battle is over and bayonet the survivors.
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:28:52 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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Sender: "Darling,
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BULLAMANKA-PINHEADS Digest - 8 Aug 2002 to 9 Aug 2002
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In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Anyone who liked The Fast Runner, which I haven't seen but have heard a lot
> about, should seek out a little-known one called The Pathfinder.
Thanks for the warning. Ilene, please submit your field report. Regards to
Twzbil.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/12/02 9:25:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyone who liked The Fast Runner, which I haven't seen but have heard a lot about, should seek out a little-known one called The Pathfinder.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>
<BR>Thanks for the warning. Ilene, please submit your field report. Regards to Twzbil.
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:08:53 -0400
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: "J. Bryan Blundell" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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Ralph:
Please keep in mind that I did not say the it was the fault of architects.
In this case I was actually taking into account design in a general sense.
Yes, I have seen manufacturers spec sheets that allowed such things as
starting foam sheets below grade. Or believing that a caulk joint will last
for ever. I always have a hope that the manufacturers really are not that
dumb nor are the people that want to believe anything they read.
Bryan
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Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 8/12/02 8:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>> The problem is 99% due to design details and not the materials. It is
>> generally a game of finger pointing by the guilty. Unsigned and afraid
>> of a lawsuit, or any suit
>>
>
> Spoken like a true contractor. It's hard to separate inadequate design
> detailing from a system (designed and promoted by a manufacturer whose
> details don't show flashing but whose notes indicate that the detailing
> should be reviewed and designed by an architect to account for local
> conditions) that doesn't permit use of flashing, installed by a
> contractor who can more or less legitimately claim to have done what the
> manufacturer and architect told him to do.
>
> It's our job to go in after the battle is over and bayonet the survivors.
>
> Ralph
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<font color="#3333FF">Ralph:</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Please keep in mind that I did not say the it
was the fault of architects. In this case I was actually taking into account
design in a general sense. Yes, I have seen manufacturers spec sheets that
allowed such things as starting foam sheets below grade. Or believing that
a caulk joint will last for ever. I always have a hope that the manufacturers
really are not that dumb nor are the people that want to believe anything
they read.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Bryan</font>
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<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>In a message
dated 8/12/02 8:16:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font size=-1><font color="#3333FF">The
problem is 99% due to <b>design</b> details and not the materials.</font><font color="#000000">
</font><font color="#3333FF">It is generally a game of finger pointing
by the guilty.</font><font color="#000000"> </font><font color="#3333FF">Unsigned
and afraid of a lawsuit, or any suit</font></font></font>
<br> </blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Spoken like a
true contractor. It's hard to separate inadequate design detailing
from a system (designed and promoted by a manufacturer whose details don't
show flashing but whose notes indicate that the detailing should be reviewed
and designed by an architect to account for local conditions) that
doesn't permit use of flashing, installed by a contractor who can
more or less legitimately claim to have done what the manufacturer and
architect told him to do.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>It's our job
to go in after the battle is over and bayonet the survivors.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Ralph</font></font></font></blockquote>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:52:38 -0400
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Hello all,
I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
looking for two items any thoughts?
1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
wavy glass.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Best,
Leland
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From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: They shoot horses
Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
century .....so we have been doing less outside
signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:41:07 -0400
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Leland:
For various window and door hardware, try contacting Blaine Windows (
http://www.blainewindow.com/ ) . They have been buying out old window
manufacturers and inventories.
Bryan
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Leland Torrence wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
> looking for two items any thoughts?
> 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
> sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
> and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
> twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
> the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
> not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
> wavy glass.
> Any help will be much appreciated.
> Best,
> Leland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>
> Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
> where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
> but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
> have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
> ....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
> worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
> century .....so we have been doing less outside
> signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
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<font color="#3333FF">Leland:</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">For various window and door hardware, try contacting
Blaine Windows ( <A HREF="http://www.blainewindow.com/">http://www.blainewindow.com/</A> ) . They have been
buying out old window manufacturers and inventories.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Bryan</font>
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<p>Leland Torrence wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hello all,
<br>I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I
am
<br>looking for two items any thoughts?
<br>1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the
lower
<br>sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the
weights
<br>and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with
a
<br>twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides
and
<br>the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
<br>2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy.
They do
<br>not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like
old
<br>wavy glass.
<br>Any help will be much appreciated.
<br>Best,
<br>Leland
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<br>From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
<br>Croce [<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]
On Behalf Of
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<br>Subject: Re: They shoot horses
<p>Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
<br>where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives
in the woods
<br>but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile
that
<br>have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed
it
<br>....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its
the
<br>worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
<br>century .....so we have been doing less outside
<br>signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
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> He asked if she did in fact want the aluminum siding installed on her house.
> She said yes, she did. It was a stone house.
>
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Did y'all take her out back and put her out of her misery? Did she have any
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In a recent volume of the Journal of Architectural Conservation, there is re=
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:31:32 -0400
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I worked on windows with the spring loaded rope and weights replacements
a long time ago. The fix was to restore the weights and cords.
On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
> looking for two items any thoughts?
> 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
> sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
> and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
> twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
> the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
> not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
> wavy glass.
> Any help will be much appreciated.
> Best,
> Leland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>
>
> Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
> where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
> but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
> have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
> ....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
> worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
> century .....so we have been doing less outside
> signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:41:22 EDT
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Hey, now let's talk about this. Has anyone ever seen Permastone failing
badly? All the installations I've seen have been ... "rock" solid.
Sign me,
Nobody Answered My Original Question Anyway, But It Was Cool Flying Into
Logan Airport Tonight At Sunset and Seeing the QE II Being Towed Backwards
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:55:33 -0400
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on 8/12/02 4:52 PM, Leland Torrence at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
> looking for two items any thoughts?
> 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
> sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
> and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
> twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
> the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
> not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
> wavy glass.
> Any help will be much appreciated.
> Best,
> Leland
>
How about a glass size?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>
>
> Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
> where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
> but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
> have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
> ....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
> worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
> century .....so we have been doing less outside
> signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
>
> --
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The Mel Gibson movie about crop circles filmed in Bucks County is a lousy
movie. It stinks. Bad plotting, contrived. Don't go to it. The only good
thing, for histo presto, is the residential farm architecture and the
interiors of the houses. Not worth the cost of admission even for that. As to
the ET element, bogus crap.
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> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. =20
> They do not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They=20
> just look like old wavy glass. Any help will be much=20
> appreciated. Best, Leland
Try <http://www.fwp.net/fairviewglass/>. Salvaged glass from Baltimore.
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:12 -0400
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In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 5:08:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Please keep in mind that I did not say the it was the fault
> of architects
Bryan,
That's the way it sounded to me, but don't worry about it. Obviously, it's never the fault of the architect. Unless the architect is on the other side.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:41:07 -0400
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In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 3:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church.
So whaddaya want here? Pulleys? Weight and chains? Sash lifts?
The replacement stuff is shit and will have a limited life, but the oild shit is a pain in the ass. Very likely the weights were left in the pockets. Use chain rather than rope, and bronze chain if you can get it, although I suspect the copper-plated steel chain will probably be sufficiently durable.
> 2) Glass window panes.
You can try to salvage glass from old sash, which often has nice zits and waves and various other picturesque flaws in it, but I found it almost impossible to cut decently. This may have been my fault, however, for failure to get all the old paint, putty and dirt off or some other stupidity on my part; John Leeke can probably tell you how to do it without wasting huge amounts of precious old glass.
Good luckm, and report back.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:08:34 -0400
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I agree with Ken 100%. Took the family out the other evening for a movie and a
Chinese dinner. " Signs" is worse than lousy. If I had not been with the family,
I would have walked out within the first half hour. Good thing I forget movies
just as fast as I forget names.
Bryan
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> The Mel Gibson movie about crop circles filmed in Bucks County is a lousy
> movie. It stinks. Bad plotting, contrived. Don't go to it. The only good
> thing, for histo presto, is the residential farm architecture and the
> interiors of the houses. Not worth the cost of admission even for that. As to
> the ET element, bogus crap.
>
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<font color="#3333FF">I agree with Ken 100%. Took the family out the other
evening for a movie and a Chinese dinner. " Signs" is worse than
lousy. If I had not been with the family, I would have walked out within
the first half hour. Good thing I forget movies just as fast as I forget
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<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The Mel Gibson movie about crop circles filmed in
Bucks County is a lousy
<br>movie. It stinks. Bad plotting, contrived. Don't go to it. The only
good
<br>thing, for histo presto, is the residential farm architecture and the
<br>interiors of the houses. Not worth the cost of admission even for that.
As to
<br>the ET element, bogus crap.
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:42:08 -0400
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Hello,
Thanks to Bryan, William and John for input. Below is a cumulative list
from investigations so far. As for sizes: 19 at 9x12, 19 at
7-3/4x9-7/8 and 22 at 9-7/8x17-7/8 or any of those quantities I can get.
The project is primarily an exterior lead abatement, but there is an
allowance for window repairs. The church underwent a major interior
restoration in 1975 under the guidance of a well known Boston
Conservator. All the decorative painting is wonderful, but compromises
were made on the windows and hence the spring loaded tube thingies. As
a minimum we need to make every other window operable.
Phelps Company 802-258-4314
Resource Conservation Technology 410-366-1146
Blaine 800-678-1919
William, give a call regarding a meeting time for the survey stuff at
United for next week.
Thanks,
Best,
Leland
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From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
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I worked on windows with the spring loaded rope and weights replacements
a long time ago. The fix was to restore the weights and cords. On
Monday, August 12, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
> looking for two items any thoughts?
> 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
> sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
> and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with
> a twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides
> and the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
> not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
> wavy glass. Any help will be much appreciated.
> Best,
> Leland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>
>
> Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
> where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the
> woods but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile
> that have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have
> confirmed it ....its worse is on the coast several people have died
> and its the worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of
> the last century .....so we have been doing less outside
> signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:47:40 EDT
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From: Mary Krugman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:25:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Hey, now let's talk about this. Has anyone ever seen Permastone failing
> badly? All the installations I've seen have been ... "rock" solid.
Ditto ... at least from the exterior. I have seen it installed over the first
floor of a wood frame house as well as on brick storefronts. So, what happens
to the substrate in wood frame buildings? Is water infilatration prevented
because it is a totally cementitous layer, not styrofoam ... or because we
just haven't heard about it.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/13/2002 11:25:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey, now let's talk about this. Has anyone ever seen Permastone failing badly? All the installations I've seen have been ... "rock" solid. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ditto ... at least from the exterior. I have seen it installed over the first floor of a wood frame house as well as on brick storefronts. So, what happens to the substrate in wood frame buildings? Is water infilatration prevented because it is a totally cementitous layer, not styrofoam ... or because we just haven't heard about it.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:50:45 EDT
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writes:
> As to
> the ET element, bogus crap.
>
What, you didn't like the Martian costuming? I thought the teeth needed work.
And it's the first time I ever heard aliens speaking like dolphins and
whales. Mel was cute as ever, though.
M
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As to<BR>
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What, you didn't like the Martian costuming? I thought the teeth needed work. And it's the first time I ever heard aliens speaking like dolphins and whales. Mel was cute as ever, though. <BR>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:23:17 -0400
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In a message dated Mon, 12 Aug 2002 8:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Did y'all take her out back and put her out of her misery?
> Did she have any children? Let us hope not.
Steve,
After hearing the part I have recounted to youse, I didn't want to hear any more.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:28:42 -0400
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Road to Perdition was pretty good. Tom's face is getting more interesting as it ages. Paul Newman begins to look like my father-in-law. The buildings were pretty good, too.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:30:26 -0400
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 9:08:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . Good thing I forget movies just as fast as I forget
> names.
Bryan,
Don't forget The Fast Runner. Just remember NOT to see it.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:36:27 -0400
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:47:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . I have seen it installed over the first floor of a wood frame house as well as on brick storefronts. So, what happens to the substrate in wood frame buildings? Is water infilatration prevented because it is a totally cementitous layer, not
> styrofoam ... or because we just haven't heard about it.
The stucco is still gonna crack or separate at the edges. What holds it in place is the galv wire mesh nailed to the substrate. When the mesh rusts, or the nails pull outta the mortar joints, there's gonna be a lot of weight peeling off in large sheets.
But I haven't seen it fail either. Unless you count the wire lath & plaster over rock wood lath & plaster on my parlor ceiling, which came down about 11:30 one night and woulda killed anybody underneath it.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:37:47 -0400
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:50:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> . Mel was cute as ever, though.
Leave it to Missy to find the silver lining in every cloud.
Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:22:36 -0400
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So Ralph, how about Angel Sign, a movie about extraterrasials coming down to the artic and
leaving mysterious snow angels?
Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 9:08:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > . Good thing I forget movies just as fast as I forget
> > names.
>
> Bryan,
>
> Don't forget The Fast Runner. Just remember NOT to see it.
>
> Ralph
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:58:02 -0500
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I have had good luck going through Kokomo glass in Indiana with any of the
Frank Lloyd Wright (Taliesin) glass work I have done. If you had a small
piece you could send them, that would great, however I have found that they
will also special order create glass for you. Good Luck!
>From: john <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: "Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead
>-- Arlene Croce" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Architectural harware and glass
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:31:32 -0400
>
>I worked on windows with the spring loaded rope and weights replacements
>a long time ago. The fix was to restore the weights and cords.
>On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>>I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
>>looking for two items any thoughts?
>>1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
>>sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
>>and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
>>twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
>>the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
>>2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
>>not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
>>wavy glass.
>>Any help will be much appreciated.
>>Best,
>>Leland
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
>>Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>[log in to unmask]
>>Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>>
>>
>>Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
>>where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
>>but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
>>have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
>>....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
>>worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
>>century .....so we have been doing less outside
>>signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
>>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:11:54 EDT
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Subject: Perdition
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In a message dated 8/13/2002 12:29:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> The buildings were pretty good, too.
>
The sets were wonderful, although I was kinda surprised by the ca. 1950s-type
plate glass window in the last scene. But who cares... you can't beat it for
being a beautiful movie. Each scene was like a painting.
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The sets were wonderful, although I was kinda surprised by the ca. 1950s-type plate glass window in the last scene. But who cares... you can't beat it for being a beautiful movie. Each scene was like a painting.<BR>
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Subject: Re: Signs
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> What, you didn't like the Martian costuming? I thought the teeth needed
> work. And it's the first time I ever heard aliens speaking like dolphins
> and whales. Mel was cute as ever, though.
Mary,
Aaargh! The costuming was retro 50's swamp man. The baby monitor was cute. A
lot more could have been done with alien speak. The little girl was cute,
truly. Kathy, having no particular interest in crop circles, wanted to think
Mel was cute, but that did not seem to work. I could have thought Mel was
cute, but instead I thought his religion was a poorly fuzzed Job and a bit
tedious in the moralizing. The way the plot wrapped everything up was formula
all the way. It would have been a more satisfying plot if all of the humans
got eaten or the house burnt up with them inside. To be honest, the parting
thought I had on the way home was that in an alien-human breeding program
that the aliens would be somewhat surprized when they conjoined with the very
wet humans to find that their genitalia would melt. So much for that program.
Back to the cloning board. I suppose such a thought is worth going to the
movies for.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What, you didn't like the Martian costuming? I thought the teeth needed work. And it's the first time I ever heard aliens speaking like dolphins and whales. Mel was cute as ever, though. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Mary,<BR>
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Aaargh! The costuming was retro 50's swamp man. The baby monitor was cute. A lot more could have been done with alien speak. The little girl was cute, truly. Kathy, having no particular interest in crop circles, wanted to think Mel was cute, but that did not seem to work. I could have thought Mel was cute, but instead I thought his religion was a poorly fuzzed Job and a bit tedious in the moralizing. The way the plot wrapped everything up was formula all the way. It would have been a more satisfying plot if all of the humans got eaten or the house burnt up with them inside. To be honest, the parting thought I had on the way home was that in an alien-human breeding program that the aliens would be somewhat surprized when they conjoined with the very wet humans to find that their genitalia would melt. So much for that program. Back to the cloning board. I suppose such a thought is worth going to the movies for.<BR>
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Kathy & I were watching a movie on the TV a while back, there was an
in-building scene, the characters in the foreground, and I told her it was in
the Barnes & Noble on 17th Street... she was curious how I knew that and I
told her from the decoration wrapping the cast iron column in the background.
I was right.
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> So Ralph, how about Angel Sign, a movie about
> extraterrasials coming down to the artic and
> leaving mysterious snow angels?
Didn't see it. Not that that usually stops me from commenting.
Sounds nearly as bad as Fast Runner, though. Then again, my understanding of winter is pretty much limited to "don't eat yellow snow."
Ralph
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 3:11:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> although I was kinda surprised by the ca. 1950s-type plate
> glass window in the last scene.
Mary,
I noticed that immediately, too, and was trying to decide whether we could forgive them that as a Prairie-style window (it did have some sort of flanking windows, and the house was presumably somewhere on one of those big Midwestern lakes), but the overall impression of the closeups was hardly 1920's. The 2x4 porch railings on that house also seemed "new." And as I think about it, I don't think the long shots of that house from the side (where we first saw it) matched the subsequent closeups of the house.
They need us in Hollywood.
Ralph
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> To be honest, the parting thought I had on the way home was that in an alien-human breeding program that the aliens would be somewhat surprized when they conjoined with the very wet
> humans to find that their genitalia would melt.
Ken,
Not having had the displeasure of seeing the movie, whose genitals would have melted? Ours or theirs?
curious and yellow, too
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In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 3:45:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I was right.
Isn't it great? I used to be able to do that with shows and movies shot in LA, and now can do it for NY and sometimes Chicago.
Ralph
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Subject: Re: Architectural harware and glass
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on 8/13/02 8:42 AM, Leland Torrence at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Hello,
> Thanks to Bryan, William and John for input. Below is a cumulative list
> from investigations so far. As for sizes: 19 at 9x12, 19 at
> 7-3/4x9-7/8 and 22 at 9-7/8x17-7/8 or any of those quantities I can get.
> The project is primarily an exterior lead abatement, but there is an
> allowance for window repairs. The church underwent a major interior
> restoration in 1975 under the guidance of a well known Boston
> Conservator. All the decorative painting is wonderful, but compromises
> were made on the windows and hence the spring loaded tube thingies. As
> a minimum we need to make every other window operable.
>
> Phelps Company 802-258-4314
> Resource Conservation Technology 410-366-1146
> Blaine 800-678-1919
>
> William, give a call regarding a meeting time for the survey stuff at
> United for next week.
> Thanks,
> Best,
> Leland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> john
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 9:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Architectural harware and glass
>
>
> I worked on windows with the spring loaded rope and weights replacements
> a long time ago. The fix was to restore the weights and cords. On
> Monday, August 12, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
>> looking for two items any thoughts?
>> 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
>
>> sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
>
>> and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with
>> a twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides
>> and the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
>> 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
>> not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
>> wavy glass. Any help will be much appreciated.
>> Best,
>> Leland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
>> Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: They shoot horses
>>
>>
>> Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
>> where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the
>> woods but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile
>
>> that have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have
>> confirmed it ....its worse is on the coast several people have died
>> and its the worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of
>
>> the last century .....so we have been doing less outside
>> signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
>>
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I can provide also the sizes you specify with 19th century salvaged glass.
We can clean it and cut to your size.
I would restore the sash weight system. I have a large quantity of red
bronze sash chain on hand and if you need more it is manufactured in
Torrington. If you want it antiquated I also have the agent to give the
chain the authentic look.
I will call you next week.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:42:16 EDT
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My father has indicated that a regular maintenancence chore in his
household, a brownstone in Brooklyn, was replacing sash cords. Sacrificial
material I suppose, and standard maintenance now something special requiring
the skills of a highly trained preservation craftsman. Kind of like
painting a picket fence.
-jc
john wrote:
> I worked on windows with the spring loaded rope and weights replacements
> a long time ago. The fix was to restore the weights and cords.
> On Monday, August 12, 2002, at 04:52 PM, Leland Torrence wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > I am working on a 1830' wood church with a 1930's addition. I am
> > looking for two items any thoughts?
> > 1) I am trying to find/locate some replacement hardware for the lower
> > sash of a double hung window for a 1830's church. In 1975 the weights
> > and sash cords were replaced with sash balances that are tubular with a
> > twisted metal guide. They attach to the surface of the sash guides and
> > the bottom of the sash and have a plastic or metal sleeve.
> > 2) Glass window panes. They are dimpled and slightly wavy. They do
> > not look like the basic "restoration" glass. They just look like old
> > wavy glass.
> > Any help will be much appreciated.
> > Best,
> > Leland
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> > Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:16 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: They shoot horses
> >
> >
> > Normally on summers eve we take to the porch and watch the fireflies;
> > where I tell Peanut storys about the Woo-zel that lives in the woods
> > but the last week or so there has been an outbreak of West Nile that
> > have taken down a couple of horses...the state labs have confirmed it
> > ....its worse is on the coast several people have died and its the
> > worst outbreak since the great "Yellow Jack " epidemics of the last
> > century .....so we have been doing less outside
> > signed dreaming of Cape Cod .....
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:58:33 EDT
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writes:
> To be honest, the parting thought I had on the way home was that in an
> alien-human breeding program that the aliens would be somewhat surprized
> when they conjoined with the very wet humans to find that their genitalia
> would melt.
That's why we love you, Ken.... such an original thinker!
M
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">To be honest, the parting thought I had on the way home was that in an alien-human breeding program that the aliens would be somewhat surprized when they conjoined with the very wet humans to find that their genitalia would melt.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:05:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/13/2002 5:59:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> And as I think about it, I don't think the long shots of that house from the
> side (where we first saw it) matched the subsequent closeups of the house.
>
Mmmm... didn't catch that one. Funny how they were so meticulous about the
authenticity of so many things, but had some glaring visual missteps. My son
Casey (film maven) keeps educating me to look behind the action for the
subtle messages of set and lighting. It has enriched my movie experience no
end.
Now if I could only remember the story lines....
M (who obviously can't chew gum and walk at the same time)
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And as I think about it, I don't think the long shots of that house from the side (where we first saw it) matched the subsequent closeups of the house.
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<BR>Mmmm... didn't catch that one. Funny how they were so meticulous about the authenticity of so many things, but had some glaring visual missteps. My son Casey (film maven) keeps educating me to look behind the action for the subtle messages of set and lighting. It has enriched my movie experience no end.
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<BR>Now if I could only remember the story lines....
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Bill,
The church I need glass for is not the same as the one we are going to
survey, but that is good news on the glass and we can take a run up to
the other church when we meet. How is the 22nd?
Best,
Leland
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Ken,
There is a show on potatoes and electricity in Guilford, CT this
weekend. That should melt your thingie.
Best,
Leland
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Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Ralph Walter
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Signs
In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:22:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> So Ralph, how about Angel Sign, a movie about extraterrasials coming
> down to the artic and leaving mysterious snow angels?
Didn't see it. Not that that usually stops me from commenting.
Sounds nearly as bad as Fast Runner, though. Then again, my
understanding of winter is pretty much limited to "don't eat yellow
snow."
Ralph
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Hello,
Thank you all for your great Reponses on glass and hardware, the latest
responses are from (I am not good with the nick-names) Rhonda, Ralph,
Bill, Dan and Ken. The latest summary of contacts is:
Hoffman Painting: 215-766-3544 (Duffy is also experienced with lead
abatement)
Fairview Glass: 301-371-6783 (Excellent lead)
Blenko Glass: 304-743-9081
Blaine was able to supply the tube balances I was looking for and has
and excellent and detailed catalogue. Paula, with whom I dealt, was
also very knowledgeable and helpful with field tips. Apparently our own
Bill Gould has a good supply of antique glass.
As for cutting glass, I haven't done a lot but the only tip I would have
is score cylinder glass on the flat side and hire someone for the crown
glass.
Best,
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> >> to find that their genitalia would melt.
>
> That's why we love you, Ken.... such an original thinker!
Missy Julip,
I'm glad somebody loves me... when I mentioned my thought in the car on the
way home I was met with a daunting silence from the younger set. I'm not sure
if it was my having an insight on extraterrestrial biology or that a taste
for contemplation of universal perversion is progressive with age. ;-)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:58:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">to find that their genitalia would melt.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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That's why we love you, Ken.... such an original thinker! </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Missy Julip,<BR>
<BR>
I'm glad somebody loves me... when I mentioned my thought in the car on the way home I was met with a daunting silence from the younger set. I'm not sure if it was my having an insight on extraterrestrial biology or that a taste for contemplation of universal perversion is progressive with age. ;-)<BR>
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> ... to look behind the action for the subtle messages of set and lighting.
Mary,
I'm intrugued that our offspring are the first generation that have been able
to easily watch a movie dozens of times over and over w/ VHS and now DVD. I
anticipate that in future there will be more cultural pressure to produce
films that have layers of both developed plot and visual context to sustain
repeated viewings by a maturing audience. A renewed visually literate
postmodern Baroque -- leastways, at the Mastic Beach Film Festival this
summer that is what the gang has been feeding me. Many of the movies that I
enjoyed as a kid were seen once, or twice, depending on when they were
broadcast on the television or available in theaters. I do not see the
details that my son sees.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">... to look behind the action for the subtle messages of set and lighting.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Mary,<BR>
<BR>
I'm intrugued that our offspring are the first generation that have been able to easily watch a movie dozens of times over and over w/ VHS and now DVD. I anticipate that in future there will be more cultural pressure to produce films that have layers of both developed plot and visual context to sustain repeated viewings by a maturing audience. A renewed visually literate postmodern Baroque -- leastways, at the Mastic Beach Film Festival this summer that is what the gang has been feeding me. Many of the movies that I enjoyed as a kid were seen once, or twice, depending on when they were broadcast on the television or available in theaters. I do not see the details that my son sees.<BR>
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> There is a show on potatoes and electricity in Guilford, CT this weekend.
> That should melt your thingie.
HA ha ha HA ha! Bride of Dr. Frankintater Meets Gumby?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is a show on potatoes and electricity in Guilford, CT this weekend. That should melt your thingie.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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> A renewed visually literate postmodern Baroque
Omigosh. Is that what it is?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A renewed visually literate postmodern Baroque </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Guilford Gumbo au Pomme de Terre prepared for your pleasure in a
microwave.
-----Original Message-----
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There is a show on potatoes and electricity in Guilford, CT this
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HA ha ha HA ha! Bride of Dr. Frankintater Meets Gumby?
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Ken ; Chis is calling me for the testing box from PTN ; you got it right?
call him Thanks mike
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> -- Clueless in New Jersey
Don't you bridge and tunnel people know anything?
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> Guilford Gumbo au Pomme de Terre prepared for your pleasure in a microwave.
Leland,
Neat trick blowing out the microwave with all that aluminum foil wrapped
around the subject's spuddy head.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Guilford Gumbo au Pomme de Terre prepared for your pleasure in a microwave.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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> Ken ; Chis is calling me for the testing box from PTN ; you got it right?
> call him Thanks mike
Mike,
We got it. He should come and get it at the shop any time he wants.
We can see who gets to the phone first. ;-)
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<BR>
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We got it. He should come and get it at the shop any time he wants.<BR>
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> Omigosh. Is that what it is?
>
> -- Clueless in New Jersey
depends on how fast you can say it without stuttering... and here I thought
that everything in the universe originated in northern new jersey...
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:53:35 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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I just received this e-mail... if someone is holding out on the moon crystals
around here please let me know.
"If you are in possession of the Blue, Red or Green Time Warping moon
crystals, or a vortex generator accounting for the temporal location settings
of (X, Y, Z, X1, Y1, Z1, xq6), please make me an offer. It would be best if
you are able to provide the proper shielding from the high level of
radiation. Please make me an offer. Send a separate email to me at:
[log in to unmask]"
I can see it now... Hello, My name is Prince Binga Dignanutapud from Nigeria.
My mother and I recently received a shipment of extremely rare moon crystals
and due to international tarrifs we are hereby forced to transmit a portion
of them to your brain. Please think on this for five minutes from the toilet
and we will reward you with riches beyond comprehension.
And Michael Edison believes he is plagued with spam?
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:50:10 -0700
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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Sender: "Darling,
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From: Ruth Barton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Moon Crystals
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Hey, I got it too. I guess he figured since I was cleaning out an attic in
an 1870 Vermont farmhouse I might just come across some moon crystals. I
don't know why I didn't--I sure found everything but. It took me a solid
week to clean the junk out and sort of rearrange the stuff up there but now
I don't think it holds anymore surprises for me.
We are now in the process of packing up and moving all the stuff from this
house. In a week to ten days I'll have to unsub and I don't know how long
I'll be offline as it is going to take a bit of arranging to fit everything
together at Dad's.
Ralph, when are you coming north again? Please plan to stop by for a bit
of a natter and to see the "old homestead." Ruth
At 4:53 PM -0400 8/14/02, Ken Follett wrote:
>I just received this e-mail... if someone is holding out on the moon crystals
>around here please let me know.
>
>"If you are in possession of the Blue, Red or Green Time Warping moon
>crystals, or a vortex generator accounting for the temporal location settings
>of (X, Y, Z, X1, Y1, Z1, xq6), please make me an offer. It would be best if
>you are able to provide the proper shielding from the high level of
>radiation. Please make me an offer. Send a separate email to me at:
>[log in to unmask]"
>
>I can see it now... Hello, My name is Prince Binga Dignanutapud from Nigeria.
>My mother and I recently received a shipment of extremely rare moon crystals
>and due to international tarrifs we are hereby forced to transmit a portion
>of them to your brain. Please think on this for five minutes from the toilet
>and we will reward you with riches beyond comprehension.
>
>And Michael Edison believes he is plagued with spam?
>
>][<en
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:32:16 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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From: "S. Stokowski" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Coal in Masonry Sand, was Re: Careful with that Paint Stripper!
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In a message dated 7/27/02 10:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> I'm also finding bits and pieces of coal in the mortar, anyone ever seen
> this before. I've seen burnt and unburned pieces of wood but never coal.
>
>
Coal is an occasional component in mortar. It is a natural, trace (<5%)
component in masonry sands from areas with coal in the bedrock. Coal is
common in the sands from some areas of AL, KY, OH, PA, WV, and VA. I've also
observed coal fragments in historic mortars from buildings in regions without
coal production. This coal is often associated with coal slag. In these
instances, the coal and the coal slag are the residue from steam boilers.
Coal-fired steam boilers were once common in houses, locomotives, ships, and
steam shovels. We've also analyzed mortars that contain large quantities of
coal or coal byproducts. The mortar used in one house in CT had anthracite
coal as it's sand. Crushed bottom ash is also occasionally used as a sand.
Black Beauty, Camel Black, and the other sand blasting sands are a component
in some stuccos, concretes, and mortars. Sandblasting sand products do not
have the proper grading to be used as masonry sands. They must be blended
with other products.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
http://members.aol.com/crushstone/petro.htm
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 7/27/02 10:12:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm also finding bits and pieces of coal in the mortar, anyone ever seen this before. I've seen burnt and unburned pieces of wood but never coal.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Coal is an occasional component in mortar. It is a natural, trace (<5%) component in masonry sands from areas with coal in the bedrock. Coal is common in the sands from some areas of AL, KY, OH, PA, WV, and VA. I've also observed coal fragments in historic mortars from buildings in regions without coal production. This coal is often associated with coal slag. In these instances, the coal and the coal slag are the residue from steam boilers. Coal-fired steam boilers were once common in houses, locomotives, ships, and steam shovels. We've also analyzed mortars that contain large quantities of coal or coal byproducts. The mortar used in one house in CT had anthracite coal as it's sand. Crushed bottom ash is also occasionally used as a sand. Black Beauty, Camel Black, and the other sand blasting sands are a component in some stuccos, concretes, and mortars. Sandblasting sand products do not have the proper grading to be used as masonry sands. They must be blended with other products. <BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0400
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Sender: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
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From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Mike:
> >
> > On the EIFS, my guess is that design accounts for maybe 85% of the
> problems
> > or even higher.
> >
> > In construction in general I would put material failure at 5% or
> less.
> > (this does not include the selection and use of the wrong material
> for a
> > particular application. That would fall into either design or
> workmanship.)
> >
> > I would then put the blame about even as to 1/3 design , 1/3
> workmanship
> > and 1/3 poor decisions by owner in their efforts to be a penny wise
> or
> > mis-informed .........
> >
> > So without editorials, that's what I think,
> >
> > Bryan
Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an astronomical figure
to me. I can remember going through a period where we were getting a
lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and when I told the UPS rep
that it was only about 1% of our shipments for that month, his
response was that 1% would be enough to put them out of business.
I don't think any manufacturer could survive with material problems as
high as 1%, although I guess I have seen at least one do it.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:57:29 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Darling,
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Coal in Masonry Sand,
was Re: Careful with that Paint Stripper!
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 5:33:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> The mortar used in one house in CT had anthracite coal as it's sand.
Steve,
Do you have any information as to if coal was used in the mortar for the Coal
Palace of Ottumwa, Iowa? The exterior of the building was built of coal. All
that remains is a small model in the local historical museum.
Thanks,
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/15/2002 5:33:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The mortar used in one house in CT had anthracite coal as it's sand. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Do you have any information as to if coal was used in the mortar for the Coal Palace of Ottumwa, Iowa? The exterior of the building was built of coal. All that remains is a small model in the local historical museum.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:17:35 -0400
Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
Sender: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
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> And Michael Edison believes he is plagued with spam?
>
> ][<en
>
I don't know how I got to be the poster child for the anti-spam
forces, but I did hit the delete key more than 80 times before opening
my first e-mail this morning. In an unrelated matter, I am also the
proud owner of a microwave oven in which the use of aluminum foil is
permissable. Now let's talk about the color of brain waves...
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
email: [log in to unmask]
Internet: www.edisoncoatings.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:18:26 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
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From: "S. Stokowski" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sand Mining
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In a message dated 7/29/02 8:58:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> In a message dated 7/29/2002 3:59:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> >> We ended up drying and screening about 30,000 pounds of sand to get about
>> 1000 pounds of just what we were looking for.
>
> In the past I've suggested a day trip to a sand mine... but got a sour
> response. There is a lot to sand that people do not think about.
>
>
Masonry sand is a product that in some locations is "free" but in other
locations costs over $100/ton. In New Hampshire, a mason can often send a
couple of boys with his truck to the town sand pit. There, after $80 in
labor, the sand can be shoveled into the pickup. A pickup will hold about
4-5 tons of sand. Most truck tires and truck springs won't, but hey, it's
free. The hidden damage costs are usually in the range of $200/load. In
some states, even the cheap realize that they should buy their masonry sand
from the local operator. Many of these producers do not have very
sophisticated operations. In Alabama, we said they had pine-pole and
hardware-cloth plants. One can usually incur about $200 in pickup truck
repair costs with about $15 of sand from one of these operators. In other,
more urban areas such as the Boston or New YorkJersey areas, masonry sand
costs more at the plant. This is either because it has to be trucked in at
great expense, or because the local material does not have the proper
grading. Because the product costs more, the masons either buy less and
thereby inadvertently save on pickup-truck repairs, or use a bigger truck and
pass on the expense. The FOB sand cost for 4 tons is usually between
$40-$100, can be about $400 for bagged material, but the vehicle repair costs
are nil. In Manhattan the cost is usually substantially greater, but for
other reasons such as the losses into the Hudson River. The moral of the
story is: If a mason pays more for masonry sand he is actually spending
less. Of course, a successful mason contractor will bill the owner at least
$1,000 for the 4 tons of sand, regardless.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
http://members.aol.com/crushstone/petro.htm
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 7/29/02 8:58:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In a message dated 7/29/2002 3:59:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We ended up drying and screening about 30,000 pounds of sand to get about 1000 pounds of just what we were looking for.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
In the past I've suggested a day trip to a sand mine... but got a sour response. There is a lot to sand that people do not think about.<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Masonry sand is a product that in some locations is "free" but in other locations costs over $100/ton. In New Hampshire, a mason can often send a couple of boys with his truck to the town sand pit. There, after $80 in labor, the sand can be shoveled into the pickup. A pickup will hold about 4-5 tons of sand. Most truck tires and truck springs won't, but hey, it's free. The hidden damage costs are usually in the range of $200/load. In some states, even the cheap realize that they should buy their masonry sand from the local operator. Many of these producers do not have very sophisticated operations. In Alabama, we said they had pine-pole and hardware-cloth plants. One can usually incur about $200 in pickup truck repair costs with about $15 of sand from one of these operators. In other, more urban areas such as the Boston or New YorkJersey areas, masonry sand costs more at the plant. This is either because it has to be trucked in at great expense, or because the local material does not have the proper grading. Because the product costs more, the masons either buy less and thereby inadvertently save on pickup-truck repairs, or use a bigger truck and pass on the expense. The FOB sand cost for 4 tons is usually between $40-$100, can be about $400 for bagged material, but the vehicle repair costs are nil. In Manhattan the cost is usually substantially greater, but for other reasons such as the losses into the Hudson River. The moral of the story is: If a mason pays more for masonry sand he is actually spending less. Of course, a successful mason contractor will bill the owner at least $1,000 for the 4 tons of sand, regardless.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:20:13 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Darling,
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: "S. Stokowski" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Coal in Masonry Sand,
was Re: Careful with that Paint Stripper!
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In a message dated 8/15/02 8:57:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Steve,
>
> Do you have any information as to if coal was used in the mortar for the
> Coal Palace of Ottumwa, Iowa? The exterior of the building was built of
> coal. All that remains is a small model in the local historical museum.
>
> Thanks,
> ][<en
No
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Do you have any information as to if coal was used in the mortar for the Coal Palace of Ottumwa, Iowa? The exterior of the building was built of coal. All that remains is a small model in the local historical museum.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
][<en</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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No<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:45:25 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce"
<[log in to unmask]>
Sender: "Darling,
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<[log in to unmask]>
From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Moon Crystals
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:17:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> In an unrelated matter, I am also the proud owner of a microwave oven in
> which the use of aluminum foil is permissable.
Michael,
Poster child... I was curious if you were paying attention.
I batch select the spam and hit delete fewer times for it.
Aluminum foil when the microwave is set on convection?
What color are brain waves?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:17:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In an unrelated matter, I am also the proud owner of a microwave oven in which the use of aluminum foil is permissable. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Michael,<BR>
<BR>
Poster child... I was curious if you were paying attention.<BR>
I batch select the spam and hit delete fewer times for it.<BR>
Aluminum foil when the microwave is set on convection?<BR>
What color are brain waves?<BR>
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> In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:17:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > In an unrelated matter, I am also the proud owner of a microwave
oven in
> > which the use of aluminum foil is permissable.
>
> Michael,
>
> Poster child... I was curious if you were paying attention.
Often semi-conscious, but usually paying attention.
> I batch select the spam and hit delete fewer times for it.
I have made the mistake of deleting a few too many legitimate
messages, so I have become more selective. How was I supposed to know
that two consecutive e-mails with "Real Estate 101" in the title line
were pictures of a building for which someone wanted help?
> Aluminum foil when the microwave is set on convection?
OK, I will admit that I actually don't know how to work the new
microwave.
> What color are brain waves?
>
Whatever color you think they are.
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Why are some roads asphalt and some concrete? Cost, weather, durability....?
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:35:22 -0400
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In a message dated Wed, 14 Aug 2002 9:50:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph, when are you coming north again? Please plan to
> stop by for a bit of a natter and to see the "old homestead."
Ruth,
Don't know when I'll be up that way again, as the 2 Little Ralphs who were your neighbors for the summer are about to return down to our tropical paradise. Unfortunately, the other 2 who were in PA for the summer are also about to retoin home. I mean, we're so happy to have them all at home again.
However....you and assorted other Pinheads will evidently have a opportunity to see your own personal Humor Czar (and Czarina Debbie!) on TV. Mrs. Ralph has arranged for us to get on Good Morning America Tues morning to "contribute" to a "discussion" on domestic "chore wars." Evidently GMA is going to have 4 couples interviewed about how the wives do all the work at home (as well as working full time jobs) and the husbands don't do jack shit.
This will no doubt come as a big surprise to everyone in the world (whether you've experienced it as wives, or heard about it in your husbandly capacity).
I'll be the fat inarticulate one with the ever-more-rapidly graying beard, getting reamed out for your viewing pleasure.
If anybody's got a better defense than "yes dear," please let me know. FAST.
Ralph
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was Re: Careful with that Paint Stripper!
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> ? The exterior of the building was built of coal. All that
> remains is a small model in the local historical museum.
What'd they do, demolish it for fuel?
Ralph
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> . In Manhattan the cost is usually substantially greater, but for other reasons such as the losses into the Hudson
> River.
Steve,
Most informative. I woulda thought that high costs in Minhattin are more a result of the growth of legs than losses into the Hudson, but will defer to your detailed knowledge of your product.
Ralph
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From: Lawrence Kestenbaum <[log in to unmask]>
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Met History wrote:
> Why are some roads asphalt and some concrete? Cost, weather, durability....?
My understanding is that concrete is more expensive, longer lasting, and
generally requires total reconstruction of the roadbed. Asphalt is
much quicker and cheaper and can be applied on top of earlier efforts.
A newly paved or reconstructed road can be done with asphalt, especially
if it isn't expected to get heavy traffic, or there isn't enough money
available to do it in concrete.
The next step down the scale below asphalt is "seal coating" (maybe a
Michigan term), which involves laying down a sheet of very sticky hot tar,
and then slathering it with a whole lot of pea-sized gravel. It looks
like a real mess for a day or so, and then suddenly all the pebbles weld
themselves into the tar, and you have an acceptable driving surface that
looks like faded asphalt. Of course, this presumes that what's underneath
it is basically sound.
East Lansing (Michigan) used to have two beautiful concrete streets dating
back to the 1930s: Charles Street and Butterfield Drive. (There were
others around town, but those two were in my neighborhood.) I know they
were laid back then because they show up as brilliant white in old aerial
photos. Quite possibly they were WPA projects. Four decades later, there
had been a little spalling here and there, but the streets were still in
very good shape, except along the expansion joints, which had been
repeatedly patched with tar. The lines of patch were higher than the
street surface, so driving or bicycling along these streets would involve
a periodic bump, bump, bump.
But around 1980, both streets were seal coated, so the old concrete
surface was covered up.
Larry
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:58:37 EDT
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Asphalt vs. concrete....
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 1:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Why are some roads asphalt and some concrete? Cost, weather,
> durability....?
Christopher,
Concrete, when the sub-bed is properly prepared, is more durable but more
costly than asphalt. The sub-bed for asphalt is usually gravel, whereas for
concrete it will often be multi-layered with gravel on the bottom and a
sub-layer of concrete above.
Having watched the LIE work for the last 12 years I can say that this is what
they have been doing. Layers of gravel rolled down and compacted with a layer
of concrete, and a final roadbed of concrete on top. Sometimes asphalt goes
on top of the sub-bed of concrete, but I don't think this is particularly
common.
Next down from asphalt is gravel/dirt sprayed with oil... thus all the fuss
years ago with back country roads sprayed with PCB laden oil salvaged from
old electrical transformers.
In NYC they have taken to using crushed glass in the asphalt, which gives it
glitter. I've not heard of bubblegum for traction, though.
Good thing you did not ask about surface materials for bridge work and
parking garages.
I heard about two years ago that there was an anticipated shortage for
Portland cement as Federal money was being routed for repair to the
interstate highway system, which, from what I remember of it, is concrete
paving.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/15/2002 1:02:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why are some roads asphalt and some concrete? Cost, weather, durability....? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Christopher,<BR>
<BR>
Concrete, when the sub-bed is properly prepared, is more durable but more costly than asphalt. The sub-bed for asphalt is usually gravel, whereas for concrete it will often be multi-layered with gravel on the bottom and a sub-layer of concrete above. <BR>
<BR>
Having watched the LIE work for the last 12 years I can say that this is what they have been doing. Layers of gravel rolled down and compacted with a layer of concrete, and a final roadbed of concrete on top. Sometimes asphalt goes on top of the sub-bed of concrete, but I don't think this is particularly common.<BR>
<BR>
Next down from asphalt is gravel/dirt sprayed with oil... thus all the fuss years ago with back country roads sprayed with PCB laden oil salvaged from old electrical transformers. <BR>
<BR>
In NYC they have taken to using crushed glass in the asphalt, which gives it glitter. I've not heard of bubblegum for traction, though.<BR>
<BR>
Good thing you did not ask about surface materials for bridge work and parking garages.<BR>
<BR>
I heard about two years ago that there was an anticipated shortage for Portland cement as Federal money was being routed for repair to the interstate highway system, which, from what I remember of it, is concrete paving.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:00:26 EDT
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Subject: Re: Czaral Appearance
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 1:35:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> However....you and assorted other Pinheads will evidently have a opportunity
> to see your own personal Humor Czar (and Czarina Debbie!) on TV.
Can anyone tape this? I can see this as a good auction item for IPTW 2003.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">However....you and assorted other Pinheads will evidently have a opportunity to see your own personal Humor Czar (and Czarina Debbie!) on TV. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Can anyone tape this? I can see this as a good auction item for IPTW 2003.<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Coal in Masonry Sand,
was Re: Careful with that Paint Stripper!
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 1:36:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> What'd they do, demolish it for fuel?
I'm not sure if it did not burn down.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What'd they do, demolish it for fuel?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I'm not sure if it did not burn down.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:01:15 EDT
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Subject: Re: Sand Mining
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:19:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> In Manhattan the cost is usually substantially greater
In Manhattan, at least on preservation and maintenance jobs, we get all of
our sand in bags. Cost $3.00 - $20.00 per bag (higher cost depending on the
need to match historic aggregates). Easier to move sand when it is in bags
than loose. Logistics is the large factor. A pile of sand loose not only
attracts cats, but it gets pushed around and would need to be loaded into 5
gallon buckets in most cases to get it to where it needs to be used. Easier
and cheaper on labor to get it in a bag to begin with. We also use the sand
bags to fill with debris.
One time in Manhattan I bought sand loose and that was one time too many.
Getting debris out of a building site can be a problem in itself. Right now
we are doing a project on the upper East side where we cannot have
containers, the debris needs to be removed, down the wall via hoist, then
from a small courtyard and through the "music" room then up a narrow ramp to
the sidewalk. Then, not being able to have mini (1 yd) containers on the
site, we load it directly into the carting truck. Much easier to handle the
material once it has been bagged, which occurs up top of the parapet wall t
hat we are working on.
On another note: minor crisis of the week was when the guy with the Land
Rover pushed the portable toilet we have on the street out of his way for
parking. He pushed it a few feet past the property line. The crisis was the
neighbor complaining that we were on their property. Our suspicion is that
our client demanded the portable toilet, rather then letting the crew use the
perfectly good toilet inside, in order to get back at their neighbors.
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<BR>
<BR>
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In Manhattan, at least on preservation and maintenance jobs, we get all of our sand in bags. Cost $3.00 - $20.00 per bag (higher cost depending on the need to match historic aggregates). Easier to move sand when it is in bags than loose. Logistics is the large factor. A pile of sand loose not only attracts cats, but it gets pushed around and would need to be loaded into 5 gallon buckets in most cases to get it to where it needs to be used. Easier and cheaper on labor to get it in a bag to begin with. We also use the sand bags to fill with debris.<BR>
<BR>
One time in Manhattan I bought sand loose and that was one time too many.<BR>
<BR>
Getting debris out of a building site can be a problem in itself. Right now we are doing a project on the upper East side where we cannot have containers, the debris needs to be removed, down the wall via hoist, then from a small courtyard and through the "music" room then up a narrow ramp to the sidewalk. Then, not being able to have mini (1 yd) containers on the site, we load it directly into the carting truck. Much easier to handle the material once it has been bagged, which occurs up top of the parapet wall that we are working on.<BR>
<BR>
On another note: minor crisis of the week was when the guy with the Land Rover pushed the portable toilet we have on the street out of his way for parking. He pushed it a few feet past the property line. The crisis was the neighbor complaining that we were on their property. Our suspicion is that our client demanded the portable toilet, rather then letting the crew use the perfectly good toilet inside, in order to get back at their neighbors.<BR>
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>=20
> Our suspicion is=20
> that our client demanded the portable toilet, rather then=20
> letting the crew use the perfectly good toilet inside, in=20
> order to get back at their neighbors.
This is not an uncommon reason for us to get a phone call about some
violation in the historic district. Most folks spend their weekend
project time winking at each other over the fence as they do their work
without a COA, until they get pissed off about some insignificant
perceived slight; then they call us to twist the neighbor's arms off.
________________________________________________________=20
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. Much like the Lorax who speaks
Raleigh Historic for the trees
Districts Commission I speak for the buildings and
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:22:48 -0500
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Subject: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
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Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced balloon
framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be better)???
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This is something that I researched during my college days. I will check
and see if my packrat nature pays off.
Bryan
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> Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced
> balloon framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be better)???
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:39:17 -0400
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All of a sudden when I reply to an incoming message, after hitting send
the message I have replied to disappears? Anyone?
Thanks,
Leland
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Croce [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Ken Follett
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:01 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Sand Mining
In a message dated 8/15/2002 6:19:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
In Manhattan the cost is usually substantially greater
In Manhattan, at least on preservation and maintenance jobs, we get all
of our sand in bags. Cost $3.00 - $20.00 per bag (higher cost depending
on the need to match historic aggregates). Easier to move sand when it
is in bags than loose. Logistics is the large factor. A pile of sand
loose not only attracts cats, but it gets pushed around and would need
to be loaded into 5 gallon buckets in most cases to get it to where it
needs to be used. Easier and cheaper on labor to get it in a bag to
begin with. We also use the sand bags to fill with debris.
One time in Manhattan I bought sand loose and that was one time too
many.
Getting debris out of a building site can be a problem in itself. Right
now we are doing a project on the upper East side where we cannot have
containers, the debris needs to be removed, down the wall via hoist,
then from a small courtyard and through the "music" room then up a
narrow ramp to the sidewalk. Then, not being able to have mini (1 yd)
containers on the site, we load it directly into the carting truck. Much
easier to handle the material once it has been bagged, which occurs up
top of the parapet wall that we are working on.
On another note: minor crisis of the week was when the guy with the Land
Rover pushed the portable toilet we have on the street out of his way
for parking. He pushed it a few feet past the property line. The crisis
was the neighbor complaining that we were on their property. Our
suspicion is that our client demanded the portable toilet, rather then
letting the crew use the perfectly good toilet inside, in order to get
back at their neighbors.
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when I reply to an incoming message, after hitting send the message I have
replied to disappears? Anyone?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=108283722-15082002><FONT color=#0000ff
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Darling, all I
want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ken
Follett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sand
Mining<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a
message dated 8/15/2002 6:19:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>In Manhattan, at least on preservation and maintenance
jobs, we get all of our sand in bags. Cost $3.00 - $20.00 per bag (higher cost
depending on the need to match historic aggregates). Easier to move sand when
it is in bags than loose. Logistics is the large factor. A pile of sand loose
not only attracts cats, but it gets pushed around and would need to be loaded
into 5 gallon buckets in most cases to get it to where it needs to be used.
Easier and cheaper on labor to get it in a bag to begin with. We also use the
sand bags to fill with debris.<BR><BR>One time in Manhattan I bought sand
loose and that was one time too many.<BR><BR>Getting debris out of a building
site can be a problem in itself. Right now we are doing a project on the upper
East side where we cannot have containers, the debris needs to be removed,
down the wall via hoist, then from a small courtyard and through the "music"
room then up a narrow ramp to the sidewalk. Then, not being able to have mini
(1 yd) containers on the site, we load it directly into the carting truck.
Much easier to handle the material once it has been bagged, which occurs up
top of the parapet wall that we are working on.<BR><BR>On another note: minor
crisis of the week was when the guy with the Land Rover pushed the portable
toilet we have on the street out of his way for parking. He pushed it a few
feet past the property line. The crisis was the neighbor complaining that we
were on their property. Our suspicion is that our client demanded the portable
toilet, rather then letting the crew use the perfectly good toilet inside, in
order to get back at their neighbors.<BR><BR>][<en</FONT>
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:37:06 -0400
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From: Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
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Bryan Blundell
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
This is something that I researched during my college days. I will check
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Bryan
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Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced
balloon framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be
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face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Darling, all I
want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene Croce
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>J.
Bryan Blundell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Balloon
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something that I researched during my college days. I will check and see if my
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Chicago would even be
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:47:51 -0400
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Christopher,
There was an excellent article on concrete in the April, 1991 Atlantic =
Monthly, called "Strong but Sensitive", by John Sedgwick. He notes that =
aspahlt and concrete divide the 42,000 miles of the interstate system =
sixty-forty. He says that the choice comes down to the preferences of =
the politicians in charge, many of whom find the lower initial cost of =
asphalt appealing. =20
Fun facts for the day . . . Concrete is second only to water as the =
most heavily consumed substance in the world. Some six billion tons are =
produced each year, roughly a ton of concrete for every human being on =
the planet. Americans rank tenth in concrete consumption. The Swiss =
are first.
Lisa =20
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Why are some roads asphalt and some concrete? Cost, weather, =
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:23:56 -0500
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Any of you folks with Desert Southwest experience know the history of
these evaporator cooler gizmos? Does the high inside RH and low outside
RH force water vapor through building materials, causing rot and damage
similar to that found in very wet climates?
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:56:12 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Thanks everyone for the informative posts, esp. Lisa S.
Anyone ever do a relative cost analysis for ... Belgian block (aka
cobblestone)? NYCDoT hates it for driving surfaces (although I can't get an
answer as to why -- I assume because it slows down cars) but I've been
wondering about the parking lanes.
Related question: if all the storm water is diverted into the storm sewer,
why do we still have (supposedly) "underground streams"?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Thanks everyone for the informative posts, esp. Lisa S.
<BR>
<BR>Anyone ever do a relative cost analysis for ... Belgian block (aka cobblestone)? NYCDoT hates it for driving surfaces (although I can't get an answer as to why -- I assume because it slows down cars) but I've been wondering about the parking lanes.
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<BR>Related question: if all the storm water is diverted into the storm sewer, why do we still have (supposedly) "underground streams"?
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:14:01 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sand Mining
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 2:14:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> then they call us to twist the neighbor's arms off.
>
When we originally did the probes on this project one of the neighbors came
out, I think he may have been on his newspaper buying walk, and complained to
the crew about people walking on his terrace, which was not us, regardless,
the crew sent him over to talk to me. I love these exchanges. After
complaining for a while the guy eventually confessed to me that during the
not-too-long past construction of the building, which we are now repairing,
that his two dogs were driven to a psychotic state from the construction
noise outside their walls, requiring a lot of money be spent for a doggie
shrink and that the dogs have since been moved to the Hamptons for
recuperation.
During the progress of this work we have been hit up a bit more than usual by
all sorts of complaints, building inspectors, and claims of violations. It is
the wealthy neighborhood. One fellow neighbor complained to me on the phone
about small bits of demo brick that had ended in his areaway. I apologised,
he wanted the entire job shut down. I said I did not think that was likely.
He went on to brag how he, and everyone else in the neighborhood, is filthy
rich and that they like to hire lawyers... all because our site super had not
had an opportunity to sweep up at the end of the day. This is the fellow that
I liked well enough to insist the porto potty be located at the opposite end
of the project from his entry. The porto potty is now democratically situated
at a midpoint.
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</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
When we originally did the probes on this project one of the neighbors came out, I think he may have been on his newspaper buying walk, and complained to the crew about people walking on his terrace, which was not us, regardless, the crew sent him over to talk to me. I love these exchanges. After complaining for a while the guy eventually confessed to me that during the not-too-long past construction of the building, which we are now repairing, that his two dogs were driven to a psychotic state from the construction noise outside their walls, requiring a lot of money be spent for a doggie shrink and that the dogs have since been moved to the Hamptons for recuperation.<BR>
<BR>
During the progress of this work we have been hit up a bit more than usual by all sorts of complaints, building inspectors, and claims of violations. It is the wealthy neighborhood. One fellow neighbor complained to me on the phone about small bits of demo brick that had ended in his areaway. I apologised, he wanted the entire job shut down. I said I did not think that was likely. He went on to brag how he, and everyone else in the neighborhood, is filthy rich and that they like to hire lawyers... all because our site super had not had an opportunity to sweep up at the end of the day. This is the fellow that I liked well enough to insist the porto potty be located at the opposite end of the project from his entry. The porto potty is now democratically situated at a midpoint.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:21:17 -0400
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> Subject: Concrete vs. asphalt vs....
>=20
>=20
> Belgian block=20
> (aka cobblestone)? NYCDoT hates it for driving surfaces=20
> (although I can't get an answer as to why -- I assume because=20
> it slows down cars) but I've been wondering about the parking lanes.=20
I can tell you why they are loathe to use it here: it's not
standardized; in their view, it requires special engineering to ensure
that it doesn't settle. Basically, they will build a roadbed underneath
it, then add the blocks on top. More costly, hard to snowplow, and when
you drive over it, you go bumpity, bumpity, bumpity.=20
Stop being so romantic. Get practical, man. Haven't you noticed? It's
the 21st century. Join the program.
________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Dagnabit Muskie, who dropped
Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
Districts Commission my toe bone?" =20
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919/890-3678
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>=20
>=20
> The porto potty is now democratically=20
> situated at a midpoint.
Aha...see, that's what spite will get you. If you had left it at the
distant point from his entry, they'd have had enough room to drop the
load without moving the plastic privy. Then they wouldn't have moved the
privy too far that it ended up in front of the other property. Then you
wouldn't have had to expend mental energy remembering your concern for
the mental health of some dogs you never met that are now basking in the
plushies.
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:41:23 EDT
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...would air bags help in plane crashes? Or is first impace not the
mortality?
Christopher
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 4:42:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I woulda thought that high costs in Minhattin are more a result of the
> growth of legs than losses into the Hudson
You mean the sand grows legs? Any idea how far it will walk? Do we know what
causes this?
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/15/2002 4:42:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I woulda thought that high costs in Minhattin are more a result of the growth of legs than losses into the Hudson</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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You mean the sand grows legs? Any idea how far it will walk? Do we know what causes this? <BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:38:01 EDT
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> that his two dogs were driven to a psychotic state from the construction
> noise outside their walls, requiring a lot of money be spent for a doggie
> shrink and that the dogs have since been moved to the Hamptons for
> recuperation.
>
>
This is the saddest story I have ever heard. I can barely type through the
tears.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 8:14:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">that his two dogs were driven to a psychotic state from the construction noise outside their walls, requiring a lot of money be spent for a doggie shrink and that the dogs have since been moved to the Hamptons for recuperation.<BR>
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This is the saddest story I have ever heard. I can barely type through the tears.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:46:19 EDT
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In a message dated 8/16/02 8:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> You mean the sand grows legs? Any idea how far it will walk? Do we know what
> causes this?
>
>
Steve,
What time late last night did you say you were born? It walks as far as the
asshole can carry it, or until he can sell it to some other scumbag with a
truck. What causes this is capitalism at its finest.
A stonesetting crew with whom I was working (I think on the fabled Brooklyn
Borough Hall) had been on some big public bldg (I seem to remember it was the
Port Authority in NY) where a HUGE (2' x 2' x 6' or some such) piece of
stone, that the crew with their derricks and hand trucks could barely move,
grew legs and disappeared. What anybody thought they were going to do with
this stone, or how in God's name they were able to move it, was a mystery.
Ralph
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 8:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You mean the sand grows legs? Any idea how far it will walk? Do we know what causes this? <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
What time late last night did you say you were born? It walks as far as the asshole can carry it, or until he can sell it to some other scumbag with a truck. What causes this is capitalism at its finest. <BR>
<BR>
A stonesetting crew with whom I was working (I think on the fabled Brooklyn Borough Hall) had been on some big public bldg (I seem to remember it was the Port Authority in NY) where a HUGE (2' x 2' x 6' or some such) piece of stone, that the crew with their derricks and hand trucks could barely move, grew legs and disappeared. What anybody thought they were going to do with this stone, or how in God's name they were able to move it, was a mystery.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:59:38 EDT
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Ralph;
When responding to the reporters questions during the interview;
about which spouse does the most work answer thusly:with a nervous twitch
"You can win the battle;but loose the war..
Pyrate with scars
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:06:54 EDT
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From: "S. Stokowski" <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/16/02 9:48:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> It walks as far as the asshole can carry it, or until he can sell it to some
> other scumbag with a truck. What causes this is capitalism at its finest.
>
>
This is not capitalism, if for no other reason than it does not require any
money. It is thievery. Off with their hands. Or legs. Oh my, I forgot.
That isn't PC. Or even American.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 9:48:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It walks as far as the asshole can carry it, or until he can sell it to some other scumbag with a truck. What causes this is capitalism at its finest. <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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This is not capitalism, if for no other reason than it does not require any money. It is thievery. Off with their hands. Or legs. Oh my, I forgot. That isn't PC. Or even American.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:17:34 EDT
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Concrete vs. asphalt vs....
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In a message dated 8/15/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Anyone ever do a relative cost analysis for ... Belgian block
I've not done a cost analysis, but my anecdotal experience leads me to
believe, from seeing how the streets were repaved w/ cobbles in Soho, that it
is more labor intensive and therefore probably multiples more expensive than
concrete or asphalt. As I remember they put down a layer of concrete, then a
layer of asphalt (leveling bed) and then set the cobbles. The cobbles need to
be grouted. It took weeks to do a section of street that would have taken a
few days in concrete.
> NYCDoT hates it for driving surfaces
My conjecture would be that underground infrastructure utilities are more
difficult to get to once cobbles are set in place, as well as the stones
being more expensive and time consumming to play with. The time impacts on
traffic flow. Hassle impacts on the number of irritated phone calls DOT has
to manage.
> Related question: if all the storm water is diverted into the storm sewer,
> why do we still have (supposedly) "underground streams"?
I don't know the answer, possibly our cavers will, but I do have another
question. If a contractor cleans a building in NYC the DEPA insists that all
of the water run off from the facade be run into the building waste lines,
even if only water is being used for the cleaning and no chemicals. If God
rains on the building nobody cares where the water goes. In the end all of
the water of the city goes to the same place, the river etc. Why does the
DEPA insist on this diversion of water?
Thanks,
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/15/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyone ever do a relative cost analysis for ... Belgian block </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I've not done a cost analysis, but my anecdotal experience leads me to believe, from seeing how the streets were repaved w/ cobbles in Soho, that it is more <B>labor intensive</B> and therefore probably multiples more expensive than concrete or asphalt. As I remember they put down a layer of concrete, then a layer of asphalt (leveling bed) and then set the cobbles. The cobbles need to be grouted. It took weeks to do a section of street that would have taken a few days in concrete.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">NYCDoT hates it for driving surfaces </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">My conjecture would be that underground infrastructure utilities are more difficult to get to once cobbles are set in place, as well as the stones being more expensive and time consumming to play with. The time impacts on traffic flow. Hassle impacts on the number of irritated phone calls DOT has to manage.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Related question: if all the storm water is diverted into the storm sewer, why do we still have (supposedly) "underground streams"? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
I don't know the answer, possibly our cavers will, but I do have another question. If a contractor cleans a building in NYC the DEPA insists that all of the water run off from the facade be run into the building waste lines, even if only water is being used for the cleaning and no chemicals. If God rains on the building nobody cares where the water goes. In the end all of the water of the city goes to the same place, the river etc. Why does the DEPA insist on this diversion of water?<BR>
<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:38:34 EDT
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Subject: Re: And while we're at it (was Permastone)...
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 5:42:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Or is first impact not the mortality?
>
I assume you are discounting fire.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/2002 5:42:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Or is first impact not the mortality? <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I assume you are discounting fire.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:08:59 EDT
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Subject: Dog Mining
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 6:45:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> This is the saddest story I have ever heard. I can barely type through the
> tears.
Ralph,
I'm sorry. I did nto realize that you would be so sensitive.
Actually, a sad story is the Manhattan penthouse owner who, a few days after
9-11, complained that our crew had 1) left food wrappers on his terrace (not
us as it turned out but the folks fixing his air conditioner) and 2) that the
workers had reduced the lifespan of his lawn furniture by sitting in it. It
seems he felt that it was only his and his friend's buttocks that have a
right to reduce the lifespan of his cast iron furniture. This was the same
kind soul who put up signs, coming off the elevator, telling workers not to
urinate on his terrace. I would have been happy to place a porto-potty, or
several in front of his bulding. As I remember he had two black Labs that I
am sure would never consider urinating on their owner's terrace.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/2002 6:45:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This is the saddest story I have ever heard. I can barely type through the tears.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I'm sorry. I did nto realize that you would be so sensitive.<BR>
<BR>
Actually, a sad story is the Manhattan penthouse owner who, a few days after 9-11, complained that our crew had 1) left food wrappers on his terrace (not us as it turned out but the folks fixing his air conditioner) and 2) that the workers had reduced the lifespan of his lawn furniture by sitting in it. It seems he felt that it was only his and his friend's buttocks that have a right to reduce the lifespan of his cast iron furniture. This was the same kind soul who put up signs, coming off the elevator, telling workers not to urinate on his terrace. I would have been happy to place a porto-potty, or several in front of his bulding. As I remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider urinating on their owner's terrace.<BR>
<BR>
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> Then you wouldn't have had to expend mental energy remembering your concern
> for the mental health of some dogs you never met that are now basking in
> the plushies.
Dan,
My concern goes further as while I was being told that the dogs were off to
the beachfront sanitarium I was thinking about the yearly end-of-season spate
of purebred dogs, the emaciated ones that we see with dirty coats and mad
eyes lurking just past the garbage cans, dropped off to scurry around our
life of the unHamptons, leastways, 'til the pound officers, happily pulling
down overtime for September, catch up.
But pleasant thoughts... yesterday on the subway, in the hot hot masonry oven
of NY, a young woman was sitting with a Jack terrier puppy that was full of
energy. It kept biting on the girl's fashionably upscale paper grocer bag, a
great many little holes were there, nipping at the girls nose and her waving
one hand in front of her face and trying to hold the dog with the other, the
imp wrestling with its leash, jumping up, wiggling around. Finally it dumped
the contents of the girl's water bottle all over the plastic bench. Nothing
melted, thankfully, it was not a movie or a bad dream. A nice young standing
fellow used his spare shirt to wipe off the bench.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Then you wouldn't have had to expend mental energy remembering your concern for the mental health of some dogs you never met that are now basking in the plushies.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Dan,<BR>
<BR>
My concern goes further as while I was being told that the dogs were off to the beachfront sanitarium I was thinking about the yearly end-of-season spate of purebred dogs, the emaciated ones that we see with dirty coats and mad eyes lurking just past the garbage cans, dropped off to scurry around our life of the unHamptons, leastways, 'til the pound officers, happily pulling down overtime for September, catch up.<BR>
<BR>
But pleasant thoughts... yesterday on the subway, in the hot hot masonry oven of NY, a young woman was sitting with a Jack terrier puppy that was full of energy. It kept biting on the girl's fashionably upscale paper grocer bag, a great many little holes were there, nipping at the girls nose and her waving one hand in front of her face and trying to hold the dog with the other, the imp wrestling with its leash, jumping up, wiggling around. Finally it dumped the contents of the girl's water bottle all over the plastic bench. Nothing melted, thankfully, it was not a movie or a bad dream. A nice young standing fellow used his spare shirt to wipe off the bench.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 6:48:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> A stonesetting crew with whom I was working
Many many years back working in Harlem for the company Ralph loves to hate I
had a subcontract Pakistani crew rebuilding a brick parapet on a bus depot on
a Saturday when two black fellows in a PU truck pulled up and started loading
the cubes of brick, stacked on the sidewalk, into their truck. One on the
crew shouted down, "What are you doing?" Reply, "The boss told us to move
these brick." It took a few trips to get all. Monday we were in a fix as the
brick were a special order.
And people wonder why I tell them to chain and lock the porto-potty to the
sidewalk bridge.
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Many many years back working in Harlem for the company Ralph loves to hate I had a subcontract Pakistani crew rebuilding a brick parapet on a bus depot on a Saturday when two black fellows in a PU truck pulled up and started loading the cubes of brick, stacked on the sidewalk, into their truck. One on the crew shouted down, "What are you doing?" Reply, "The boss told us to move these brick." It took a few trips to get all. Monday we were in a fix as the brick were a special order.<BR>
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According to this article, Balloon framing became platform around 1930.
Makes sense to me, since I have not encountered many houses after Queen Anne
that were balloon. Although we also learned that the Northeast is not
Chicago. I found the infor here.
http://www.hometips.com/hyhw/structure/108frame.html
Rob Cagnetta
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I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, the technology
probably:
Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out to the countryside
Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression
Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and availability of materials and
lengths required - balloon framing requires longer lengths of studs.
Bottom line you probably can not put a date on it. Around NYC and the
northeast platform framing became common after WW II.
Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
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Associate
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Subject: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced balloon
framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be better)???
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Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked me for what is the new
technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings ,interior
slab at grade .
My recommendations were thus
!. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another impervious
membrane.
2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals
3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black paper .
4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.
Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly appreciate
hearing about. Best Michael
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:34:08 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hammarberg, Eric
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> Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
>=20
>=20
> I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, the technology
> probably:
> Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out to the=20
> countryside Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression=20
> Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and availability of=20
> materials and lengths required - balloon framing requires=20
> longer lengths of studs.
Consider also the role of catalog houses in the shift. Standardized
materials sized for shipping naturally favored platform framing. Sears,
Montgomery Ward, Harris Brothers, Aladdin, Gordon-Van Tine, and others
were marketing home kits nationally beginning shortly after 1900. Local
builders still balloon-framed for another 25 years, but these national
folks played a big role in the standardization of framing lumber
lengths.=20
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I have a book called "Architectural Details" (pub. by Radford Architectural
Co., Chicago, IL, copyright 1921) that, in a section called "Framing To
Prevent Unequal Shrinkage-Settlement," depicts balloon framing, something
called drop-girt framing, and the "western frame." It seems to suggest
that the western frame method (basically the platform frame method commonly
used today) should be adopted in order to lessen the effects of unequal
shrinkage caused by framing with green or at least wood that is not fully
kiln dried (the effects are exaggerated in the diagrams).
The book is a paperback, 160 pages, possibly a precursor to "Architectural
Graphic Standards."
Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to build or didn't have
access to kilns so they didn't take the time to fully dry the wood.
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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:17 PM
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Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, the technology
probably:
Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out to the countryside
Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression
Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and availability of materials and
lengths required - balloon framing requires longer lengths of studs.
Bottom line you probably can not put a date on it. Around NYC and the
northeast platform framing became common after WW II.
Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
Eric Hammarberg
Associate Director of Preservation
Associate
LZA Technology
641 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10011-2014
Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
Mobile: 917.439.3537
Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
email: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced balloon
framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be better)???
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have a book called "Architectural =
Details" (pub. by Radford Architectural Co., Chicago, IL, =
copyright 1921) that, in a section called "Framing To Prevent =
Unequal Shrinkage-Settlement," depicts balloon framing, something =
called drop-girt framing, and the "western =
frame." It seems to suggest that the western frame method =
(basically the platform frame method commonly used today) should be =
adopted in order to lessen the effects of unequal shrinkage caused by =
framing with green or at least wood that is not fully kiln dried (the =
effects are exaggerated in the diagrams).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The book is a paperback, 160 pages, possibly a =
precursor to "Architectural Graphic Standards."</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to =
build or didn't have access to kilns so they didn't take the time to =
fully dry the wood.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Hammarberg, Eric [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:EHammarberg@LZATECH=
NOLOGY.COM</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:17 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
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Framing</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, =
the technology</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>probably:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out =
to the countryside</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and =
availability of materials and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>lengths required - balloon framing requires longer =
lengths of studs.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bottom line you probably can not put a date on it. =
Around NYC and the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>northeast platform framing became common after WW =
II.</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have =
changed again</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Eric Hammarberg</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Associate Director of Preservation</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Associate</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>LZA Technology</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>641 Avenue of the Americas</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>New York, NY 10011-2014</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Mobile: 917.439.3537</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>email: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Score, Robert [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyonne know approximately what year platform =
framing replaced balloon</FONT>
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be better)???</FONT>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:10:42 -0400
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Re: # 1 - Not sure what joints you're talking about cutting out. Is slate
impervious? Maybe I don't understand what you have in mind here...
Not sure about 2 (I'm not familiar with lime).
#3 sounds like it might work. Adding perimeter drains while you have the
trench dug would probably be a real good idea if you don't already have
them.
I would think that #4 is a must in any event.
Is the problem showing up at the edges of the slab or all over it (or are we
back to the cursed "rising damp" problem)? If you have high humidity and a
cool slab you'll get sweating (at least we do up here the northern
latitudes--I'm not sure if your soil temps are high enough that this doesn't
happen down in the Delta). If you have a bare concrete floor laying down
vinyl tile might help to some degree (I'm thinking it would act as a little
bit of an insulation). Probably seal it first when it is (or if you can get
it) dry.
If you have one of the underground sources of water mentioned in another
string within your house's perimeter you may be in for a battle.
-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: damproof of course
Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked me for what is the new
technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings ,interior
slab at grade .
My recommendations were thus
!. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another
impervious
membrane.
2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals
3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black paper
.
4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.
Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly
appreciate
hearing about. Best Michael
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Re: # 1 - Not sure what joints you're talking about =
cutting out. Is slate impervious? Maybe I don't understand =
what you have in mind here...</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not sure about 2 (I'm not familiar with lime).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>#3 sounds like it might work. Adding perimeter =
drains while you have the trench dug would probably be a real good idea =
if you don't already have them.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I would think that #4 is a must in any event.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is the problem showing up at the edges of the slab or =
all over it (or are we back to the cursed "rising damp" =
problem)? If you have high humidity and a cool slab you'll get =
sweating (at least we do up here the northern latitudes--I'm not sure =
if your soil temps are high enough that this doesn't happen down in the =
Delta). If you have a bare concrete floor laying down vinyl tile =
might help to some degree (I'm thinking it would act as a little bit of =
an insulation). Probably seal it first when it is (or if you can =
get it) dry.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you have one of the underground sources of water =
mentioned in another string within your house's perimeter you may be in =
for a battle.</FONT></P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: [log in to unmask] [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:23 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: damproof of course</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked =
me for what is the new</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe =
below grade footings ,interior</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>slab at grade .</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>My recommendations were thus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>!. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of =
slate or another impervious</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>membrane.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other =
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> When responding to the reporters questions during the
> interview;
> about which spouse does the most work answer thusly:with a nervous twitch
>
> "You can win the battle;but loose the war..
>
Your Pyratude,
Good point, which I'm ever so glad you prompted me to remind. My German
History teacher in college was talking about some war where the Austrians
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When responding to the reporters questions during the interview;<BR>
about which spouse does the most work answer thusly:with a nervous twitch<BR>
<BR>
"You can win the battle;but loose the war..<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Your Pyratude,<BR>
<BR>
Good point, which I'm ever so glad you prompted me to remind. My German History teacher in college was talking about some war where the Austrians <U>lost</U> every battle but the last one.<BR>
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Chris, you're just full of questions these days! And for some reason I feel
compelled to answer...
Regarding the "first impact" issue I remember seeing an article about ten
years ago bemoaning the fact that the first impact was often not the cause
of an airplane fatality. Seats rip out of the floor (which rarely happens
in car crashes) or the roof buckles in causing head trauma. Bear in mind
that this article may've applied in large part to smaller airplanes (20
passengers or less), not the big jet liners most people ride in.
Speeds tend to be higher in planes and the construction of the plane places
a much higher premium on "lighter weight" (which almost inevitably results
in "less strength") so the survivability tends to be less, I would think.
As a side note, my impression is that there has never been a successful
ocean ditching of a large airliner (does someone know of one?). If they
can't accomplish that I'm not sure how many instances of crashes would
benefit from air bags.
In cars I believe the bags are pretty ineffective or downright dangerous if
you haven't got your seat belt and shoulder harness on. Shoulder harnesses
would be hard to install in most airliners. Think of the issue of the
seatbacks being reclined (I assume that's where the bag would have to be
mounted) and the proximity issue for smaller people that we have with cars.
Flinging items on the tray tables...
In many air crashes there is time to prepare the passengers for the impact
("put your head between your knees and wrap your arms around your legs") so
it might be possible to take care of many of these issues by only arming the
bags when a crash is imminent or when you're in the "seat backs and tray
tables in the fully raised position, please" mode as in takeoffs and
landings.
Do trains or buses have seat belts for the passengers (the highway coach I
took to the Yankees game last Saturday didn't)? It seems like belts would
help to keep people from getting tossed around (and out broken windows) when
the vehicles roll over. I imagine it would be hard to get people to wear
them...
Bruce St. Extemporaneous
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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:41 AM
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Subject: And while we're at it (was Permastone)...
...would air bags help in plane crashes? Or is first impace not the
mortality?
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<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Chris,
you're just full of questions these days! And for some reason I feel
compelled to answer...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Regarding the "first impact" issue I remember seeing an article
about ten years ago bemoaning the fact that the first impact was often not the
cause of an airplane fatality. Seats rip out of the floor (which rarely
happens in car crashes) or the roof buckles in causing head trauma. Bear
in mind that this article may've applied in large part to smaller airplanes (20
passengers or less), not the big jet liners most people ride in.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Speeds
tend to be higher in planes and the construction of the plane places a much
higher premium on "lighter weight" (which almost inevitably results in
"less strength") so the survivability tends to be less, I would
think.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>As a
side note, my impression is that there has never been a successful ocean
ditching of a large airliner (does someone know of one?). If they can't
accomplish that I'm not sure how many instances of crashes would benefit from
air bags.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>In
cars I believe the bags are pretty ineffective or downright dangerous if you
haven't got your seat belt and shoulder harness on. Shoulder harnesses
would be hard to install in most airliners. Think of the issue of the
seatbacks being reclined (I assume that's where the bag would have to be
mounted) and the proximity issue for smaller people that we have with
cars. Flinging items on the tray tables... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>In
many air crashes there is time to prepare the passengers for the impact
("put your head between your knees and wrap your arms around your
legs") so it might be possible to take care of many of these issues by only
arming the bags when a crash is imminent or when you're in the "seat backs
and tray tables in the fully raised position, please" mode as in takeoffs
and landings.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Do
trains or buses have seat belts for the passengers (the highway coach I took to
the Yankees game last Saturday didn't)? It seems like belts would help to
keep people from getting tossed around (and out broken windows) when the
vehicles roll over. I imagine it would be hard to get people to wear
them...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=530151319-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Bruce
St. Extemporaneous</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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> Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly
> appreciate
> hearing about.
Are we talking negative or positive waterproofing below grade?
For negative, coating on masonry, I like to use Strongwall materials.
Breathability and good bonding. Good success. Negative waterproofing can get
real complicated real fast. Xypex grout used with an hydraulic cement can be
used to plug flowing water the size of your fist... though it may take a few
tries to get the technique down. Ironite is always interesting to play with,
particularly trying to remove it.
For exterior, Sonneborn HLM 5000 trowel grade elastomeric with a 1/2"
thickness drainage mat. The drainage mat allows any water that comes to the
masonry surface to flow down, that is, as long as the water table is lower.
Thoroseal will crack.
Gravel for backfill.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly appreciate<BR>
hearing about. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Are we talking negative or positive waterproofing below grade?<BR>
<BR>
For negative, coating on masonry, I like to use Strongwall materials. Breathability and good bonding. Good success. Negative waterproofing can get real complicated real fast. Xypex grout used with an hydraulic cement can be used to plug flowing water the size of your fist... though it may take a few tries to get the technique down. Ironite is always interesting to play with, particularly trying to remove it.<BR>
<BR>
For exterior, Sonneborn HLM 5000 trowel grade elastomeric with a 1/2" thickness drainage mat. The drainage mat allows any water that comes to the masonry surface to flow down, that is, as long as the water table is lower. Thoroseal will crack.<BR>
<BR>
Gravel for backfill.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:55:52 EDT
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> Bruce St. Extemporaneous
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:01:30 -0400
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My recollection of this is that the Western Framing (Platform Framing) was
basically a result of the the Great Chicago Fire of 1871. Chicago had
already depleted much of the timber resources prior to the fire and with
the rebuilding, there was a need to get more out of less. The Western
Framing allowed a greater use of the raw materials due to the shorter
lengths and reduced dimensions. Based on this need to conserve, wood
construction changed dramatically. The influences of ...... ...... ......
JBB
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Bruce Marcham wrote:
>
>
> I have a book called "Architectural Details" (pub. by Radford
> Architectural Co., Chicago, IL, copyright 1921) that, in a section called
> "Framing To Prevent Unequal Shrinkage-Settlement," depicts balloon
> framing, something called drop-girt framing, and the "western frame."
> It seems to suggest that the western frame method (basically the platform
> frame method commonly used today) should be adopted in order to lessen
> the effects of unequal shrinkage caused by framing with green or at least
> wood that is not fully kiln dried (the effects are exaggerated in the
> diagrams).
>
> The book is a paperback, 160 pages, possibly a precursor to
> "Architectural Graphic Standards."
>
> Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to build or didn't
> have access to kilns so they didn't take the time to fully dry the wood.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hammarberg, Eric [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:17 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
>
> I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, the technology
> probably:
> Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out to the countryside
> Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression
> Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and availability of materials
> and
> lengths required - balloon framing requires longer lengths of studs.
>
> Bottom line you probably can not put a date on it. Around NYC and the
> northeast platform framing became common after WW II.
>
> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
>
> Eric Hammarberg
> Associate Director of Preservation
> Associate
> LZA Technology
> 641 Avenue of the Americas
> New York, NY 10011-2014
> Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
> Mobile: 917.439.3537
> Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Score, Robert [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:23 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
>
> Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing replaced
> balloon
> framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be better)???
>
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<font color="#3333FF">My recollection of this is that the Western Framing
(Platform Framing) was basically a result of the the Great Chicago Fire
of 1871. Chicago had already depleted much of the timber resources prior
to the fire and with the rebuilding, there was a need to get more out of
less. The Western Framing allowed a greater use of the raw materials due
to the shorter lengths and reduced dimensions. Based on this need to conserve,
wood construction changed dramatically. The influences of ......
...... ......</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">JBB</font>
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<p>Bruce Marcham wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<p><font size=-1>I have a book called "Architectural Details" (pub. by
Radford Architectural Co., Chicago, IL, copyright 1921) that, in a section
called "Framing To Prevent Unequal Shrinkage-Settlement," depicts balloon
framing, something called drop-girt framing, and the "western frame."
It seems to suggest that the western frame method (basically the platform
frame method commonly used today) should be adopted in order to lessen
the effects of unequal shrinkage caused by framing with green or at least
wood that is not fully kiln dried (the effects are exaggerated in the diagrams).</font>
<p><font size=-1>The book is a paperback, 160 pages, possibly a precursor
to "Architectural Graphic Standards."</font>
<p><font size=-1>Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to
build or didn't have access to kilns so they didn't take the time to fully
dry the wood.</font>
<p><font size=-1>-----Original Message-----</font>
<br><font size=-1>From: Hammarberg, Eric [<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]</font>
<br><font size=-1>Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:17 PM</font>
<br><font size=-1>To: [log in to unmask]</font>
<br><font size=-1>Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing</font>
<p><font size=-1>I do not have hard facts but based on my experience, the
technology</font>
<br><font size=-1>probably:</font>
<br><font size=-1>Traveled from east coast to west and from cities out
to the countryside</font>
<br><font size=-1>Was influenced by the Wars and the Depression</font>
<br><font size=-1>Depended on the practitioner (carpenter) and availability
of materials and</font>
<br><font size=-1>lengths required - balloon framing requires longer lengths
of studs.</font>
<p><font size=-1>Bottom line you probably can not put a date on it. Around
NYC and the</font>
<br><font size=-1>northeast platform framing became common after WW II.</font>
<p><font size=-1>Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed
again</font>
<p><font size=-1>Eric Hammarberg</font>
<br><font size=-1>Associate Director of Preservation</font>
<br><font size=-1>Associate</font>
<br><font size=-1>LZA Technology</font>
<br><font size=-1>641 Avenue of the Americas</font>
<br><font size=-1>New York, NY 10011-2014</font>
<br><font size=-1>Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)</font>
<br><font size=-1>Mobile: 917.439.3537</font>
<br><font size=-1>Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)</font>
<br><font size=-1>email: [log in to unmask]</font>
<br>
<p><font size=-1>-----Original Message-----</font>
<br><font size=-1>From: Score, Robert [<a href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</a>]</font>
<br><font size=-1>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:23 PM</font>
<br><font size=-1>To: [log in to unmask]</font>
<br><font size=-1>Subject: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing</font>
<p><font size=-1>Does anyonne know approximately what year platform framing
replaced balloon</font>
<br><font size=-1>framing in the united states (in Chicago would even be
better)???</font>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:18:23 -0400
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Yeah, that's the guy.
St. Ex-Upery (temporarily, I hope, grounded)
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<DIV><SPAN class=200221420-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Yeah,
that's the guy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=200221420-16082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>St.
Ex-Upery (temporarily, I hope, grounded)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ken Follett
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 3:56
PM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: And while we're at it (was Permastone)...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a message dated 8/16/2002 12:46:41 PM
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:09:37 -0400
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As a general rule, I believe most water/moisture problems in foundations/crawl
spaces/basements can be resolved by correcting surface drainage. In the past 15
years or so I have come across one project were we installed a French Drain type
system and two were sump pumps were required. Other than that, all others have
been dealt with by correcting gutter, downspouts and surface drainage.
The French Drain was installed using smooth rigid pipe with perforations facing
down, wrapped in filter cloth and away from the foundation wall by a minimum of
three feet. I do not like below grade perforated drainage systems. They will silt
up, get filled with roots or in towns and cities become homes for rats, etc. It is
not a case of IF, it is a case of WHEN.
In the two cases of sump pumps: one was installed in the basement floor because of
being in a city townhouse and the house was built over an old stream bed. In the
other case, the house was near a river moisture seemed to be related to the level
of the river. The sump pump was place in the yard between the river and the house.
In high water situations, the sump would lower the rise of the ground water prior
to it getting to the house.
Digging down and coating the exterior with any one of a number of systems means
that you are disturbing the soil which will allow moisture to percolate down to
the foundation footer. This is what is trying to be avoided. Changing the moisture
content of the soil under the footers can cause movement and problems that make
damp basements look like a great option.
Michael, is this an old building. Can you use white wash on the foundation brick
to protect the bricks and mortar from damage due to efflorescence?
Look for where the water is coming from and direct it away from the building if
possible.
Wet behind the ears,
Bryan
PS: Mark, speak up.
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> Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked me for what is the new
> technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings ,interior
> slab at grade .
> My recommendations were thus
> !. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another impervious
> membrane.
> 2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals
> 3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black paper .
> 4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.
>
> Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly appreciate
> hearing about. Best Michael
>
> --
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#3 sounds like it might work. Adding perimeter drains while you have the trench
dug would probably be a real good idea if you don't already have them.
Bruce Marcham
==================
Are we talking negative or positive waterproofing below grade?
For negative, coating on masonry, I like to use Strongwall materials.
Breathability and good bonding. Good success. Negative waterproofing
can get real complicated real fast. Xypex grout used with an hydraulic cement can
be used to plug flowing water the size of your fist... though
it may take a few tries to get the technique down. Ironite is always interesting
to play with, particularly trying to remove it.
For exterior, Sonneborn HLM 5000 trowel grade elastomeric with a 1/2" thickness
drainage mat. The drainage mat allows any water that
comes to the masonry surface to flow down, that is, as long as the water table is
lower. Thoroseal will crack.
Gravel for backfill.
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<font color="#3333FF">As a general rule, I believe most water/moisture
problems in foundations/crawl spaces/basements can be resolved by correcting
surface drainage. In the past 15 years or so I have come across one project
were we installed a French Drain type system and two were sump pumps were
required. Other than that, all others have been dealt with by correcting
gutter, downspouts and surface drainage.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">The French Drain was installed using smooth rigid
pipe with perforations facing down, wrapped in filter cloth and away from
the foundation wall by a minimum of three feet. I do not like below grade
perforated drainage systems. They will silt up, get filled with roots or
in towns and cities become homes for rats, etc. It is not a case of IF,
it is a case of WHEN.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">In the two cases of sump pumps: one was installed
in the basement floor because of being in a city townhouse and the house
was built over an old stream bed. In the other case, the house was near
a river moisture seemed to be related to the level of the river. The sump
pump was place in the yard between the river and the house. In high water
situations, the sump would lower the rise of the ground water prior to
it getting to the house.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Digging down and coating the exterior with any
one of a number of systems means that you are disturbing the soil which
will allow moisture to percolate down to the foundation footer. This is
what is trying to be avoided. Changing the moisture content of the soil
under the footers can cause movement and problems that make damp basements
look like a great option.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Michael, is this an old building. Can you use
white wash on the foundation brick to protect the bricks and mortar from
damage due to efflorescence?</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Look for where the water is coming from and direct
it away from the building if possible.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Wet behind the ears,</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">Bryan</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
<p><font color="#3333FF">PS: Mark, speak up.</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">=====</font>
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<p>[log in to unmask] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked
me for what is the new
<br>technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings
,interior
<br>slab at grade .
<br>My recommendations were thus
<br>!. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another
impervious
<br>membrane.
<br>2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals
<br>3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black
paper .
<br>4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.
<p>Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly appreciate
<br>hearing about. Best Michael
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<p>#3 sounds like it might work. Adding perimeter drains while you
have the trench dug would probably be a real good idea if you don't already
have them.
<p>Bruce Marcham
<p>==================
<p>Are we talking negative or positive waterproofing below grade?
<p>For negative, coating on masonry, I like to use Strongwall materials.
Breathability and good bonding. Good success. Negative waterproofing
<br>can get real complicated real fast. Xypex grout used with an hydraulic
cement can be used to plug flowing water the size of your fist... though
<br>it may take a few tries to get the technique down. Ironite is always
interesting to play with, particularly trying to remove it.
<p>For exterior, Sonneborn HLM 5000 trowel grade elastomeric with a 1/2"
thickness drainage mat. The drainage mat allows any water that
<br>comes to the masonry surface to flow down, that is, as long as the
water table is lower. Thoroseal will crack.
<p>Gravel for backfill.
<p>][<en
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:09:10 -0700
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Subject: Re: Sand Mining
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Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone with approximate
date. Ruth
At 9:46 AM -0400 8/16/02, Ralph Walter wrote:
In a message dated 8/16/02 8:49:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
You mean the sand grows legs? Any idea how far it will walk? Do we know
what causes this?
Steve,
What time late last night did you say you were born? It walks as far as the
asshole can carry it, or until he can sell it to some other scumbag with a
truck. What causes this is capitalism at its finest.
A stonesetting crew with whom I was working (I think on the fabled Brooklyn
Borough Hall) had been on some big public bldg (I seem to remember it was
the Port Authority in NY) where a HUGE (2' x 2' x 6' or some such) piece of
stone, that the crew with their derricks and hand trucks could barely move,
grew legs and disappeared. What anybody thought they were going to do with
this stone, or how in God's name they were able to move it, was a mystery.
Ralph
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:39:41 EDT
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 9:48:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> What time late last night did you say you were born?
You're kidding right? You mean to tell that people would steal sand, stone,
money, jewelry, or automobiles? They just borrow them and then return them
when they are finished. Surely these fine outstanding citizens would never
steal from their neighbor. You are mistaken. I just cannot believe that
someone would do that.
Sign me,
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You're kidding right? You mean to tell that people would steal sand, stone, money, jewelry, or automobiles? They just borrow them and then return them when they are finished. Surely these fine outstanding citizens would never steal from their neighbor. You are mistaken. I just cannot believe that someone would do that.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:47:53 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dog Mining
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In a message dated 8/16/02 2:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Actually, a sad story is the Manhattan penthouse owner who, a few days after
> 9-11, complained that our crew had 1) left food wrappers on his terrace
> (not us as it turned out but the folks fixing his air conditioner) and 2)
> that the workers had reduced the lifespan of his lawn furniture by sitting
> in it.
Ken,
I am again reduced to tears. The possibility that there are others (like
these fine people) who are more sensitive than I is a real eye-opener. Hard
to believe these people don't live at 32 W 40th Street.
And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York City.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 2:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Actually, a sad story is the Manhattan penthouse owner who, a few days after 9-11, complained that our crew had 1) left food wrappers on his terrace (not us as it turned out but the folks fixing his air conditioner) and 2) that the workers had reduced the lifespan of his lawn furniture by sitting in it. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ken,<BR>
<BR>
I am again reduced to tears. The possibility that there are others (like these fine people) who are more sensitive than I is a real eye-opener. Hard to believe these people don't live at 32 W 40th Street. <BR>
<BR>
And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York City.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:48:02 EDT
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 10:07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> That isn't PC.
To HELL with political correctness! Hang the bastards. I will even provide
the tree, rope, and labor. This is something that I would call a labor of
love. I even have some extra rope for these sudden rampage kidnappers. Well,
to think of it, I would like to take care of them first. Then I will get
around to our thieves.
Hangman
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To HELL with political correctness! Hang the bastards. I will even provide the tree, rope, and labor. This is something that I would call a labor of love. I even have some extra rope for these sudden rampage kidnappers. Well, to think of it, I would like to take care of them first. Then I will get around to our thieves.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:51:52 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: damproof of course
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In a message dated 8/16/02 2:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked me for what is the new
> technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings
> ,interior
> slab at grade .
> My recommendations were thus
> !. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another
> impervious
> membrane.
> 2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals
> 3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black
> paper .
> 4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.
>
> Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly
> appreciate
> hearing about. Best Michael
>
>
If this hadn't come from you, I would've recommended lead, or lead coated
copper, (or bituthene of some sort) but if you think slate is impervious, who
am I to argue?
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 2:24:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Our local preservation architect ( my wife) has asked me for what is the new<BR>
technology on damproof for brick.....3 wythe below grade footings ,interior<BR>
slab at grade .<BR>
My recommendations were thus<BR>
!. cut out joints below grade and make inserts of slate or another impervious<BR>
membrane.<BR>
2. Injections of lime grouts or other grouts at intervals<BR>
3. excavate footings paint with thoroseal or other and line with black paper .<BR>
4. Divert all gutter spouts and water away from building.<BR>
<BR>
Any product or technique that has met with success I would greatly appreciate<BR>
hearing about. Best Michael<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
If this hadn't come from you, I would've recommended lead, or lead coated copper, (or bituthene of some sort) but if you think slate is impervious, who am I to argue?<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:52:24 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ARWNY@AOL.COM
writes:
> As I remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider
> urinating on their owner's terrace.
>
Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are
ladies on the list.
Steve
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As I remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider urinating on their owner's terrace.<BR>
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Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are ladies on the list.<BR>
<BR>
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Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
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In a message dated 8/16/02 2:48:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to build or didn't have
> access to kilns so they didn't take the time to fully dry the wood.
>
>
Yeah, and people were shorter then.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 2:48:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Perhaps in the west it was common to be in a hurry to build or didn't have access to kilns so they didn't take the time to fully dry the wood.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Yeah, and people were shorter then. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:54:09 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: damproof of course
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In a message dated 8/16/02 3:11:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> If you have a bare concrete floor laying down vinyl tile might help to some
> degree (I'm thinking it would act as a little bit of an insulation).
> Probably seal it first when it is (or if you can get it) dry.
I think Bruce's tile is gonna pop off. Mine does.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 3:11:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If you have a bare concrete floor laying down vinyl tile might help to some degree (I'm thinking it would act as a little bit of an insulation). Probably seal it first when it is (or if you can get it) dry.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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I think Bruce's tile is gonna pop off. Mine does.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:03:14 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
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In a message dated 8/16/02 4:00:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> My recollection of this is that the Western Framing (Platform Framing) was
> basically a result of the the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.
This sounds like what I remember from Arch'l History (which I learned at the
knee of the great Marcus Whiffen). However, I suspect that the big code
change there at that point was to require masonry buildings, rather than
cheaper methods of framing wooden ones. One of the interesting things I
have observed is that much of Newark NJ is wood-framed (masonry evidently
wasn't required by code there) which no doubt made it substantially easier to
burn down in the 1960's.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 4:00:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#3333ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My recollection of this is that the Western Framing (Platform Framing) was basically a result of the the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
This sounds like what I remember from Arch'l History (which I learned at the knee of the great Marcus Whiffen). However, I suspect that the big code change there at that point was to require masonry buildings, rather than cheaper methods of framing wooden ones. One of the interesting things I have observed is that much of Newark NJ is wood-framed (masonry evidently wasn't required by code there) which no doubt made it substantially easier to burn down in the 1960's.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:04:37 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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Subject: Re: Brick Mining
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In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:10:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
> The boss told us to move these brick." It took a few trips to get all.
> Monday we were in a fix as the brick were a special order.
>
> And people wonder why I tell them to chain and lock the porto-potty to the
> sidewalk bridge.
>
Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated, "if these were in
NYC they would be gone." Referring to the small flat pieces of sandstone that
were used to support the limestone balusters going up the steps. I believe
they have been lying around on the ground ever since some moron thought that
the court house had a drive-through.
Steve
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:10:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The boss told us to move these brick." It took a few trips to get all. Monday we were in a fix as the brick were a special order.<BR>
<BR>
And people wonder why I tell them to chain and lock the porto-potty to the sidewalk bridge.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BR>
Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated, "if these were in NYC they would be gone." Referring to the small flat pieces of sandstone that were used to support the limestone balusters going up the steps. I believe they have been lying around on the ground ever since some moron thought that the court house had a drive-through.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:10:56 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sand Mining in Window of Opportunity
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In a message dated 8/16/02 8:30:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone with approximate
> date. Ruth
>
Ruth,
I'm breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a
pretty sight.
However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing better to do) can
see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the little Ralphs) on
Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or Armenia?), trying to
explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect husbands to do anything
more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why you wives should be
grateful that we do that much.
I may have more sympathy for Dubya after this.
Ralph
Fighting A Losing Battle on Behalf of All Pindicks
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<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone with approximate<BR>
date. Ruth<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
I'm breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a pretty sight.<BR>
<BR>
However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing better to do) can see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the little Ralphs) on Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or Armenia?), trying to explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect husbands to do anything more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why you wives should be grateful that we do that much.<BR>
I may have more sympathy for Dubya after this.<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
Fighting A Losing Battle on Behalf of All Pindicks<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:13:53 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Sand Mining
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In a message dated 8/16/02 10:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> They just borrow them and then return them when they are finished. Surely
> these fine outstanding citizens would never steal from their neighbor. You
> are mistaken. I just cannot believe that someone would do that.
>
>
Well, I would have to admit that never having expected this stuff to be
returned, I never waited until They were done to see if They did return it.
Perhaps I burst your bubble by mistake.
If so, my apologies.
Your former cynic,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 10:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">They just borrow them and then return them when they are finished. Surely these fine outstanding citizens would never steal from their neighbor. You are mistaken. I just cannot believe that someone would do that.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Well, I would have to admit that never having expected this stuff to be returned, I never waited until They were done to see if They did return it. Perhaps I burst your bubble by mistake.<BR>
<BR>
If so, my apologies.<BR>
<BR>
Your former cynic,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:18:28 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dog Mining
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In a message dated 8/16/02 10:52:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are
> ladies on the list.
>
>
They (not the ladies on the list) would p[robably like it.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 10:52:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are ladies on the list.<BR>
<BR>
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They (not the ladies on the list) would p[robably like it. <BR>
<BR>
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:21:25 EDT
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Subject: Re: Balloon Framing vs. Platform Framing
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According to my Dictionary of Building Preservation.
balloon frame - A wood framing system composed entirely of 2X members, with
corners posts and studs running continuously from the sill plate at the
foundation to the roof plate and intermediate floors supported on ribbands
attached to the studs; racking is prevented by diagonal board sheathing or
braces; less expensive to construct than a timber frame, and often used for
one- or two-story, detached, brick veneer buildings because of the small
amount of vertical movement of the frame; used in Chicago in the 1830s and
common in the Midwest beginning in the mid 19th century; largely replaced by
platform frame by mid 20th century.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">According to my Dictionary of Building Preservation.<BR>
<BR>
<B>balloon frame</B> - A wood framing system composed entirely of 2X members, with corners posts and studs running continuously from the sill plate at the foundation to the roof plate and intermediate floors supported on ribbands attached to the studs; racking is prevented by diagonal board sheathing or braces; less expensive to construct than a timber frame, and often used for one- or two-story, detached, brick veneer buildings because of the small amount of vertical movement of the frame; used in Chicago in the 1830s and common in the Midwest beginning in the mid 19th century; largely replaced by platform frame by mid 20th century. </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:52:53 -0700
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: Peter epperly <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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Hay Ralph, Mabe somebody should start thinking about expanded diamond mesh
made from carbon fiber mixed with linear strands of fiberglass. I have a
company out here on the west coast that makes it. And I have been using the
product with great success. If you are interested please feel free to call.
EPPERLY MASONRY RESTORATION INC. 510-928-3254.... Office &Fax
510-215-2298
> From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: "Darling, all I want is that you should be a pinhead -- Arlene
> Croce"<[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:36:27 -0400
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
>
> In a message dated Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:47:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>> . I have seen it installed over the first floor of a wood frame house as well
>> as on brick storefronts. So, what happens to the substrate in wood frame
>> buildings? Is water infilatration prevented because it is a totally
>> cementitous layer, not
>> styrofoam ... or because we just haven't heard about it.
>
> The stucco is still gonna crack or separate at the edges. What holds it in
> place is the galv wire mesh nailed to the substrate. When the mesh rusts, or
> the nails pull outta the mortar joints, there's gonna be a lot of weight
> peeling off in large sheets.
>
> But I haven't seen it fail either. Unless you count the wire lath & plaster
> over rock wood lath & plaster on my parlor ceiling, which came down about
> 11:30 one night and woulda killed anybody underneath it.
>
> Ralph
> Ralph
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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 06:46:41 EDT
Reply-To: "Darling,
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Brownstone vs. .... permastone
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In a message dated 8/16/02 11:49:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> Hay Ralph, Mabe somebody should start thinking about expanded diamond mesh
> made from carbon fiber mixed with linear strands of fiberglass. I have a
> company out here on the west coast that makes it. And I have been using the
> product with great success. If you are interested please feel free to call.
> EPPERLY MASONRY RESTORATION INC. 510-928-3254.... Office &Fax
> 510-215-2298
>
>
THIS sounds like just the ticket for all sorts of things. What's it cost,
how is it to work with, and what about availability, compared to stainless
and to galvanized?
Rralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/16/02 11:49:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hay Ralph, Mabe somebody should start thinking about expanded diamond mesh<BR>
made from carbon fiber mixed with linear strands of fiberglass. I have a<BR>
company out here on the west coast that makes it. And I have been using the<BR>
product with great success. If you are interested please feel free to call.<BR>
EPPERLY MASONRY RESTORATION INC. 510-928-3254.... Office &Fax<BR>
510-215-2298<BR>
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What, all 12 million of them?
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Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
J
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...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block
in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking
strip? Then you can get more ground water for the street trees, and
pickup/takedown is easier for utility access. Or is it?
PS Anybody hear the NPR seg on Mackinac/aw Island? There are no cars there,
and the horsedrawn carriage operator, hearing that the city was going to
permit motorized streetsweepers (to keep up with the horse manure), felt that
motor sweepers would be the opening wedge of cars. So he dug up an old
Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street sweeper, and had it
built.
Hot and sticky tonight - is that heat lightning over Woods Hole? I didn't
think they had that out here in the East.
Kansas City
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking strip? Then you can get more ground water for the street trees, and pickup/takedown is easier for utility access. Or is it?
<BR>
<BR>PS Anybody hear the NPR seg on Mackinac/aw Island? There are no cars there, and the horsedrawn carriage operator, hearing that the city was going to permit motorized streetsweepers (to keep up with the horse manure), felt that motor sweepers would be the opening wedge of cars. So he dug up an old Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street sweeper, and had it built.
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<BR>Hot and sticky tonight - is that heat lightning over Woods Hole? I didn't think they had that out here in the East.
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John,
I've known the term, "positive drainage", as in make the water flow away
from the building. I assume "negative drainage" would mean to make the
water flow toward the building...or do describe that situation.
"Waterproofing"? Got me. That's something people who deal in new
buildings believe in. Sort of like "maintenance free".
-jc
John Leeke wrote:
> Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
>
> J
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> Hot and sticky tonight - is that heat lightning over Woods Hole? I didn't
> think they had that out here in the East.
Heat lightning is what I was told while growing up also. It is quite common
at least here in Georgia. I found out by way of book I believe that heat
lightning is actually a distant thunderstorm where you are not able to hear
the thunder. I was always told it was lightning caused by heat. I guess there
is some truth to that. Hot & sticky here also. It is almost impossible to lay
any mortar in this damn heat. I must keep a sprayer close at hand. Please
someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather. It gets aggravating when
you look like you have been swimming at 10 o'clock in the morning.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hot and sticky tonight - is that heat lightning over Woods Hole? I didn't think they had that out here in the East. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Heat lightning is what I was told while growing up also. It is quite common at least here in Georgia. I found out by way of book I believe that heat lightning is actually a distant thunderstorm where you are not able to hear the thunder. I was always told it was lightning caused by heat. I guess there is some truth to that. Hot & sticky here also. It is almost impossible to lay any mortar in this damn heat. I must keep a sprayer close at hand. Please someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather. It gets aggravating when you look like you have been swimming at 10 o'clock in the morning. <BR>
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> >And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York
> City.<
>
> What, all 12 million of them?
>
Don,
I'm shocked, shocked that you (or anyone) would think that ALL Noo Yawkuhs
are of the rectal persuasion. Let's just hope that The Alleged Deity doesn't
do an encore of his (or her) Sodom and Gomoorah act.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">>And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York<BR>
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<BR>
What, all 12 million of them?<BR>
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Don,<BR>
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I'm shocked, shocked that you (or anyone) would think that ALL Noo Yawkuhs are of the rectal persuasion. Let's just hope that The Alleged Deity doesn't do an encore of his (or her) Sodom and Gomoorah act. <BR>
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In a message dated 8/18/02 9:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Please someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather.
Steve,
Glad to see you've finally figured out the proper was to pronounce "y'all."
However, as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you goddam
redneck shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY (and according
to the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).
Kindly keep it to yourself.
Thanking you in advance, I remain,
Ralph
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<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Please someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve, <BR>
<BR>
Glad to see you've finally figured out the proper was to pronounce "y'all." However, as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you goddam redneck shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY (and according to the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA). <BR>
<BR>
Kindly keep it to yourself.<BR>
<BR>
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My wife reports that she and my son were dressed in sweaters yesterday.
Temperatures in the Twin Cities got down into the 60's. Now that's my
kind of August! But I'm in El Paso, where mid 90's is described as
cooler weather.
-jc
Ralph Walter wrote:
> In a message dated 8/18/02 9:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>> Please someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather.
>
> Steve,
>
> Glad to see you've finally figured out the proper was to pronounce
> "y'all." However, as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to
> me you goddam redneck shitkickers have been sending your used weather
> to NY (and according to the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).
>
> Kindly keep it to yourself.
>
> Thanking you in advance, I remain,
>
> Ralph
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My wife reports that she and my son were dressed in sweaters yesterday.
Temperatures in the Twin Cities got down into the 60's. Now that's
my kind of August! But I'm in El Paso, where mid 90's is described
as cooler weather.
<p>-jc
<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
8/18/02 9:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Please
someone, see if youz can send some cooler weather.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Steve,</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Glad to see you've
finally figured out the proper was to pronounce "y'all." However,
as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you goddam redneck
shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY (and according to
the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Kindly keep it
to yourself.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Thanking you
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In a message dated 8/18/2002 10:48:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> However, as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you goddam
> redneck shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY (and
> according to the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).
>
> Kindly keep it to yourself.
>
Hell, youz guys are moving to Florida in droves. Some of youz must like it.
Me, I like cool weather. I grow tired of 95, 96, 97 and 98 with 100%
humidity. We don't mind sharing some of our daily weather with youz. Just
make sure you keep it up there and send some delightful stuff down here. I'm
ready for fall and winter. Which really is not winter to youz up there. Our
winter is probably like your fall or early spring. What I really cannot stand
is a 76 degree Christmas Day.
Sign me,
Hotvannah
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<BR>
Kindly keep it to yourself.<BR>
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Hell, youz guys are moving to Florida in droves. Some of youz must like it. Me, I like cool weather. I grow tired of 95, 96, 97 and 98 with 100% humidity. We don't mind sharing some of our daily weather with youz. Just make sure you keep it up there and send some delightful stuff down here. I'm ready for fall and winter. Which really is not winter to youz up there. Our winter is probably like your fall or early spring. What I really cannot stand is a 76 degree Christmas Day.<BR>
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I guess I would have to agree. Oohhhhh! You mean 76 ABOVE zero!
sissy.
-jc
[log in to unmask] wrote:
> In a message dated 8/18/2002 10:48:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>> However, as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you
>> goddam redneck shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY
>> (and according to the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).
>>
>> Kindly keep it to yourself.
>
> Hell, youz guys are moving to Florida in droves. Some of youz must
> like it. Me, I like cool weather. I grow tired of 95, 96, 97 and 98
> with 100% humidity. We don't mind sharing some of our daily weather
> with youz. Just make sure you keep it up there and send some
> delightful stuff down here. I'm ready for fall and winter. Which
> really is not winter to youz up there. Our winter is probably like
> your fall or early spring. What I really cannot stand is a 76 degree
> Christmas Day.
>
> Sign me,
> Hotvannah
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I guess I would have to agree. Oohhhhh! You mean 76 ABOVE zero!
sissy.
<p>-jc
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Goudy Old Style"><font size=+1>In a message
dated 8/18/2002 10:48:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>However,
as far as us sending you cooler weather, seems to me you goddam redneck
shitkickers have been sending your used weather to NY (and according to
the little Ralphs in camp also to VT and PA).</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Kindly keep it
to yourself.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Goudy Old Style"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Hell,
youz guys are moving to Florida in droves. Some of youz must like it. Me,
I like cool weather. I grow tired of 95, 96, 97 and 98 with 100% humidity.
We don't mind sharing some of our daily weather with youz. Just make sure
you keep it up there and send some delightful stuff down here. I'm ready
for fall and winter. Which really is not winter to youz up there. Our winter
is probably like your fall or early spring. What I really cannot stand
is a 76 degree Christmas Day.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Goudy Old Style"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Sign
me,</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Goudy Old Style"><font color="#000000"><font size=+1>Hotvannah</font></font></font></blockquote>
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> Hell, youz guys are moving to Florida in droves. My fat ass isn't moving to
> Some of youz must like it. They're
idiots who've lived in snow too long.> tired
> of 95, 96, 97 and 98 with 100% humidity. Damn right. We don't mind sharing
> some of our daily weather with youz. Thanks but no thanks. Just make sure
> you keep it up there and send some delightful stuff down here. Hold your
> sweaty breath until it arrives. I'm ready for fall and winter. Which
> really is not winter to youz up there. To Hell with Northeastern winters,
> too. Our winter is probably like your fall or early spring. That's as much
> winter as anybody needs. What I really cannot stand is a 76 degree
> Christmas Day. There's not a damn thing in the world wrong with 76 degrees
> (F; however, I will grant you that 76 C might be a little excessive) on
> Christmas Day. As a native (southern) Californian born on Dec 25, I can
> tell you that temp on that day is quite satisfactory.
Ralph
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In thinking about the issue of materials, I agree with your observation
that a 1% manufacturing error would be a disaster. My 5% must have come
from the contractor side of the brain. Now if I use the supplier side of
the brain, I could not agree with you more. Those contractors keep trying
to put the blame on someone else don't they.
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<br><font color="#3333FF">In thinking about the issue of materials, I agree
with your observation that a 1% manufacturing error would be a disaster.
My 5% must have come from the contractor side of the brain. Now if I use
the supplier side of the brain, I could not agree with you more. Those
contractors keep trying to put the blame on someone else don't they.</font><font color="#3333FF"></font>
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Sure do! Average contractors blame errors on the design. Great
contractors blame errors on the client and get thanked for pointing it
out!
-jc
"J. Bryan Blundell" wrote:
>
> In thinking about the issue of materials, I agree with your
> observation that a 1% manufacturing error would be a disaster. My 5%
> must have come from the contractor side of the brain. Now if I use the
> supplier side of the brain, I could not agree with you more. Those
> contractors keep trying to put the blame on someone else don't they.
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Sure do! Average contractors blame errors on the design. Great
contractors blame errors on the client and get thanked for pointing it
out!
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contractors keep trying to put the blame on someone else don't they.</font>
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I've been interested by the two simultaneous threads, one a serious
technical discussion relating to buildings (waterproofing foundations) an=
d
the other on aviation crash safety. On the waterproofing, I can only say
that I have learned from the home inspectors involved in the transactions=
I've done that the #1 cause of water getting into basements is inadequate=
downspoutage, or otherwise water flowing toward rather than away from the=
building. But you guys would already know this. Most homeowners don't see=
m
to know it. =
Regarding aviation crash safety, I've thought about this a great deal. I
spent 10 years working for aviation publications, including occasionally
researching crash data. Spending a couple of afternoons reading prelimina=
ry
crash reports at NTSB HQ was educational. Every transportation incident o=
r
accident (it is an accident if an impact occurs) involving commercial
transportation (trains, ships, airlines) or any kind of aircraft is
supposed to have such a report, similar to the kind that are filed with
local police after car accidents. Usually these are just one-page
summaries. What I found, initially, was that commercial pilots have a muc=
h
better safety record than private pilots, and that the majority of report=
s
are 'airborne fenderbenders' or even non-accidents, since the airlines as=
a
matter of course report every incident such as a sudden unexplained loss =
of
altitude, even if no detectable damage or injury results (they do this in=
part in case some passenger later on tries to claim injury). Major
accidents, ones which the NTSB decides should be lessons for the industry=
,
are eventually reported in great detail in 'Blue Books'. All of this
information is considered public knowledge and is available to anyone who=
wants it. =
To my knowledge, the last time any airliner ditched in water with survivo=
rs
was 1935, when one of the Pan Am Clippers landed in the North Atlantic in=
a
storm and the passengers and crew were rescued by the US Coast Guard Cutt=
er
Bibb, still regarded as one of the great sea rescues. Because the Clipper=
was a flying boat, it was able to remain afloat after landing, but in the=
storm conditions (which were far in excess of what it was designed to lan=
d
in), it was sinking and the rescue operation was a race against time. The=
Bibb happened to be nearby because at that time (and for some decades
thereafter), the USCG maintained weather patrols in the North Atlantic, a=
nd
she just happened to be close to where the plane ditched. Today there wou=
ld
probably be no one around if a plane landed in mid-ocean. It was rather
improbable then. =
To this day, all airliners that fly over water are required to be prepare=
d
for controlled ditching in water, even though, to my knowledge, no modern=
airliner has even done so successfully--I do recall one instance of a JAL=
747 landing in Boston Harbor right after takeoff (and that was a suicide
attempt on the part of the pilot--he took off with thrust reversers full
on--killed 100 passengers and HE survived). There is something poignant
about the safety instructions including how to wear your life vest and th=
at
the emergency escape slides (also seldom used) are designed to function a=
s
life rafts. I believe the point of view is that since it is theoretically=
possible, they have to be prepared for it (even at a cost of millions of
dollars for equiment that is never used)--and what if some airliner did
ditch and everyone drowned because there were no life vests. It helps kee=
p
the familes assured that there was nothing else that could have been done=
. =
Most of these regulations date from when aircraft were smaller and slower=
,
and the possibility of surviving a crash greater. If this sounds
reminiscent of the Admiralty allowing the Titanic to carry fewer lifeboat=
s
than were needed for her entire population (the rules had not adapted as
fast as the ships which grew very quickly in size and speed in a few
years), it is actually the reverse of that situation. =
There has probably been discussion of air bags in aircraft, with probably=
the objections raised that have already been made here about the
practicality of having them work properly in an airliner with all the
variables of passenger size and distance from passenger to airbag. Also
there is the matter of cost. This always sounds callous in this context,
but it would be hugely expensive to put airbags in an aircraft fleet, and=
quite possibly not one life would be saved---indeed the airbags themselve=
s
might injure or kill someone. =
The NTSB, in the aforementioned Blue Books, always includes a statement a=
s
to whether the crash was 'survivable'. This always seems a bit odd when
discussing a crash that no one survived, but it is a defined technical
term. What they mean is that had the occupants been adequately protected =
by
the systems available to them, the initial crash would not have killed
them. This then brings up whether the systems (seat belts etc) were in us=
e
and whether the occupants were killed by fire or smoke before they could
escape from the aircraft. Certainly the issues of 'secondary impart'
(impact of occupants with objects inside the aircraft) is also considered=
in this evaluation. It's the secondary impact that does the damage in the=
car, too, and what seat belts, air bags and eleminating hazards in the
interior design are all intended to prevent. =
Because aircraft have to fly, they have to be light in weight (relatively=
speaking). Their strength/weight ratio is probably better than that of an=
y
other vehicle. As for fire resistance, jet fuel is just a very pure grade=
of kerosene (as are diesel fuel, heating oil and rocket fuel), which is
less flammable than gasoline (because less volatile) but given enough hea=
t
at impact, this is scarcely significant--as we have all seen, far more th=
an
we would like to remember. =
Don
PS. For anyone who was looking for me at IPTW, I am sorry to have missed =
it
this year, but I was fighting with a flu-like something or other, it was
beastly hot, and further away than Floyd Bennet Field would have been. I
stayed home & indoors for a few days, until whatever it was got better (o=
r
rather, I got better). =
DW
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Don,
MOST interesting. But I gotta go eat dinner. Damn.
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Easy on the dressing there good budy!
-jc
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> Don,
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> MOST interesting. But I gotta go eat dinner. Damn.
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Easy on the dressing there good budy!
<p>-jc
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>
> In thinking about the issue of materials, I agree with your
observation
> that a 1% manufacturing error would be a disaster. My 5% must have
come
> from the contractor side of the brain. Now if I use the supplier side
of
> the brain, I could not agree with you more. Those contractors keep
trying
> to put the blame on someone else don't they.
>
> JBB
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The easiest one to blame is the one not around to defend themselves.
I'll leave it to you to figure out who that tends to be.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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Reference:
LIFE, the 100 events that shaped American, bicentennial issue, 1975, page
13, #7
The 'ballon-frame' house 1833
Photo # 1, The first balloon-framed structure was St. Mary's Church in
Chicago. An old photo of the structure.
Photo # 2, Caption, Within days a new section of Oklahoma territory was
opened for settlement in 1889, East Guthrie was already half built.
Balloon-frame structures had sprung up on one side of the street and would
soon replace the tents on the other side. The photo graphically shows
balloon construction in 1889 in its various stages and the methods of
applying siding.
A technique of construction still used today helped get the West settled in
short order
"The actual building of the West took place at a gallop-in each of a
thousand nowheres a crowd of tents went up in one day, construction started
the next and within weeks another bustling frontier town had materialized.
Largely responsible for this pace was a new method of building called
"balloon framing" (because its detractors predicted that the prairie winds
would blow the houses up and away like balloons). Invented about 1833 by a
carpenter named Agustus Deodat Taylor, the technique, which is still used in
most U.S. houses today, called for a cagelike framework of two by fours set
close together, to which roof and siding were then nailed to complete the
shell of the house. Previously, houses had been constructed on a frame of
massive, heavy beams-the way barns are built-and required much less time and
expertise to put up. But with handy-sized lumber and machine made nails
being cheaply mass-produced
by 1850s, a balloon frame could be knocked together by a team of amateurs in
a matter of hours. And when they turned out to be even sturdier than the
old style houses, Taylor's invention was adopted everywhere in America."
Bill
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:46:47 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: And, please explain...
>=20
>=20
> ...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of=20
> Belgian block in street paving. Why not have them laid in=20
> sand, if its only a parking strip? Then you can get more=20
> ground water for the street trees, and pickup/takedown is=20
> easier for utility access. Or is it?=20
Ken said mortar between. I (and Ken) said concrete road base below. You
didn't specify "only" parking strips. You're quite correct about the
benefits of doing it without concrete base.=20
It can be done without a concrete base below, but it takes extensive
preparation to make sure that the road bed does not settle. You have to
deal with soil inconsistencies through relentless compaction, proper
sub-surface drainage to avoid freeze/thaw heave, with geotextile fabrics
in the right places to keep the stone dust setting bed from migrating
through the gravel sub-base, careful setting of the blocks, making sure
you get them set tight with minimal joints and work the stone dust
between all the joints...a few missed joints, or half-filled joints, and
it will start to loosen up. Like most endeavors, there are fewer capable
designers, contractors, and craft folk around that can actually
successfully do it than there are projects. Therefore, you end up with
failures where the design/work wasn't done properly. DOTs tend to only
remember the failures, which then turn into maintenance nightmares. And
even when done right the first time, when they return for your utility
access, the folks that put it back don't know what they are doing and it
ends up a mess too.
And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?
Their roots naturally go to the water. Then the roots start to grow
because they are finding the water. They get bigger, and bigger, and
bigger. The road heaves. DOT gets mad and says "No more belgian block
parking strips."
___________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "What's this? Fan mail
Raleigh Historic from some flounder?"
Districts Commission - Bullwinkle J. Moose
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:55:31 -0400
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> Subject: Re: And, please explain...
>=20
>=20
> What I=20
> really cannot stand is a 76 degree Christmas Day.
Aren't you glad not to be david west's neighbor, then.
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:08:35 -0400
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positive and negative relates to the pressure on the wall created by the
water, e.g.:
water trying to get into the building - positive pressure on the outside
face of the wall and negative pressure on the inside face of the wall.
Generally easier to waterproof on the positive side, during construction,
and negative pressure after construction is complete.
Also, the materials for positive side are simpler - tar, membranes, drainage
mat etc. Negative side generally relies on the integrity of the wall being
waterproofed - which often is weak due to long term "water infiltration".
Materials such as Xypex work on limited substrates in good condition. My
opinion in many situations is let the water in and then manage it.
Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
Eric Hammarberg
Associate Director of Preservation
Associate
LZA Technology
641 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10011-2014
Telephone: 917.661.8160 (Direct)
Mobile: 917.439.3537
Fax: 917.661.8161 (Direct)
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From: John Callan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:33 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: drainage
John,
I've known the term, "positive drainage", as in make the water flow away
from the building. I assume "negative drainage" would mean to make the
water flow toward the building...or do describe that situation.
"Waterproofing"? Got me. That's something people who deal in new
buildings believe in. Sort of like "maintenance free".
-jc
John Leeke wrote:
> Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
>
> J
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:09:26 -0500
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Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little
screen.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Sand Mining in Window of Opportunity
In a message dated 8/16/02 8:30:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:
Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone with approximate
date. Ruth
Ruth,
I'm breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a
pretty sight.
However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing better to do) can
see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the little Ralphs)
on Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or Armenia?), trying
to explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect husbands to do
anything more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why you wives
should be grateful that we do that much.
I may have more sympathy for Dubya after this.
Ralph
Fighting A Losing Battle on Behalf of All Pindicks
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<DIV><SPAN class=80021313-19082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ralf, I
hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 16, 2002 10:11
PM<BR><B>To:</B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: Sand Mining in Window of Opportunity<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" size=2>In a
message dated 8/16/02 8:30:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
writes:<BR><BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"
TYPE="CITE">Ralph, Check local cemeteries for overgrown gravestone
with approximate<BR>date. Ruth<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Ruth,<BR><BR>I'm
breaking a sweat shaking my head trying to figure this one out. Not a
pretty sight.<BR><BR>However, you (and any of the other Pinheads with nothing
better to do) can see my shining face (and that of Mrs. Ralph, and pix of the
little Ralphs) on Tues between 8 and 8:30 AM on Good Monring America (or
Armenia?), trying to explain to the nation why it's unreasonable to expect
husbands to do anything more than change light bulbs and kill spiders, and why
you wives should be grateful that we do that much.<BR>I may have more sympathy
for Dubya after this.<BR><BR>Ralph<BR>Fighting A Losing Battle on Behalf of
All Pindicks<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:05:16 EDT
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In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:09:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
>
>
...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:12:24 -0400
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 8:09:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your
> on the little screen.
Bob,
How about I do it on the radio? There would be more than "Chore Wars" if I did a Pinhead Salute on GMA.
But thanks for the suggestion.
Ralph
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:19:36 -0400
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:05:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed
> again
>
> Eric Hammarberg
>
>
> ...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
I was wondering whether I should add a PS to all my emails saying that my direct phone and fax numbers are still the same, and then it occurred to me that if Eric changes his underwear as often as his phone and fax numbers, we're all in the wrong business.
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Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.
Eric
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed
> again
>
> Eric Hammarberg
>
>
> ...get a grip, man! Sign me, Rollo Dex
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That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing you
pinhead association to therest of the world.
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> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your
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Bob,
How about I do it on the radio? There would be more than "Chore Wars" if I
did a Pinhead Salute on GMA.
But thanks for the suggestion.
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> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing you pinhead association to the rest of the world.
Bob,
I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little ashamed of your spelling.
But if you think that in addition to revealing to the whole country that I'm a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the other way around? Nor am I Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for those of you who appreciate interlingual puns), either. I have more hair.
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Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
that be less embareassing?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Walter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 1:12 PM
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In a message dated Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:17:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are embareassed of showing
you pinhead association to the rest of the world.
Bob,
I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little ashamed of your spelling.
But if you think that in addition to revealing to the whole country that I'm
a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a Pinhead salute and embare-ass
myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the other way around? Nor am I
Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for those of you who appreciate interlingual
puns), either. I have more hair.
Ralph
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> That is quite disapointing, I guess that you are =
embareassed of showing you pinhead association to the rest of the =
world.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bob,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm not ashamed of knowing you, and only a little =
ashamed of your spelling.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But if you think that in addition to revealing to the =
whole country that I'm a lousy husband and father, and THEN give a =
Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're =
mistaken.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Or is it the =
other way around? Nor am I Stanley Tucci (or his tuches, for =
those of you who appreciate interlingual puns), either. I have =
more hair.</FONT></P>
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> And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York
> City.
Ralph,
I remember when I first moved here someone remarking how you can never get to
the end of NY in a thousand lifetimes. I suppose it goes as well for the
abundance of assholes. So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY
lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And here I thought you and I had already met every asshole in New York City.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I remember when I first moved here someone remarking how you can never get to the end of NY in a thousand lifetimes. I suppose it goes as well for the abundance of assholes. So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.<BR>
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> Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated,
We used to have a slate roofing subcontractor (he long since burnt down a
church and, in unrelated complicatinos, got in trouble with the IRS and fled
to unknown locations -- yet he was a nice enough guy despite a few problems),
anyways, he came down from the rural Catskills to work on a twin set of
copper turrets and a slate roof for us in Brooklyn. Honestly did an excellent
job. Well, he hired a few guys local from the community. I like the idea of
hiring local. So one day he goes in his truck to the hardware store and asks
the local fellow he had hired if he would watch the truck. "Yeah, sure, mon!"
A few minutes later he came out of the hardware store to find his truck with
all of his tools gone and no helper. I was not sure which I found more
interesting, that he had left the guy with his truck and tools, or that he
did not believe anyone would ever do that to him.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Who was it at IPTW in front of the courthouse that stated, </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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We used to have a slate roofing subcontractor (he long since burnt down a church and, in unrelated complicatinos, got in trouble with the IRS and fled to unknown locations -- yet he was a nice enough guy despite a few problems), anyways, he came down from the rural Catskills to work on a twin set of copper turrets and a slate roof for us in Brooklyn. Honestly did an excellent job. Well, he hired a few guys local from the community. I like the idea of hiring local. So one day he goes in his truck to the hardware store and asks the local fellow he had hired if he would watch the truck. "Yeah, sure, mon!" A few minutes later he came out of the hardware store to find his truck with all of his tools gone and no helper. I was not sure which I found more interesting, that he had left the guy with his truck and tools, or that he did not believe anyone would ever do that to him.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/17/2002 4:07:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
John,
Negative is when you do it from the inside face of the wall, positive is when
you do it from the outside, with the provision that outside is the side the
water is on. In the case of a cistern it can get more complicated. Negative
allows the wall to get wet.
Rather than disturbing the soil around a foundation you could also drill a
series of well points around the perimeter of the buidling and suck the
watertable down. Sometimes exterior measures are not optimal options and
negative waterproofing is the way to go. I'm thinking in particular regarding
two levels below grade with a concrete parking garage.
An interesting problem we had, and counquered, was application of sealant
(Sonneborn) to the joints in a swimming pool whose bottom, on the beach, is
lower than the LI sound. This, I suppose, was neither positive not negative,
but changed polarity with the tide. The pool kept leaking, and divers would
go in with plastic wrap and see where it would get sucked to. When the pool
was drained only half the pool could be expected to be above tide at any
time... which required that we had to pump the other half fast enough to keep
ahead of the tide, to quickly dry the masonry, and to apply sealant quickly.
It took us a few years to perfect the solution which consisted of a
redundancy of two levels of sealant.
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John,<BR>
<BR>
Negative is when you do it from the inside face of the wall, positive is when you do it from the outside, with the provision that outside is the side the water is on. In the case of a cistern it can get more complicated. Negative allows the wall to get wet.<BR>
<BR>
Rather than disturbing the soil around a foundation you could also drill a series of well points around the perimeter of the buidling and suck the watertable down. Sometimes exterior measures are not optimal options and negative waterproofing is the way to go. I'm thinking in particular regarding two levels below grade with a concrete parking garage.<BR>
<BR>
An interesting problem we had, and counquered, was application of sealant (Sonneborn) to the joints in a swimming pool whose bottom, on the beach, is lower than the LI sound. This, I suppose, was neither positive not negative, but changed polarity with the tide. The pool kept leaking, and divers would go in with plastic wrap and see where it would get sucked to. When the pool was drained only half the pool could be expected to be above tide at any time... which required that we had to pump the other half fast enough to keep ahead of the tide, to quickly dry the masonry, and to apply sealant quickly. It took us a few years to perfect the solution which consisted of a redundancy of two levels of sealant.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/17/2002 6:43:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block
> in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking
> strip?
The stones will rattle around and grind each other down in time, particularly
if the sand washes out, which in the city it will certainly do -- trucks are
not as easy to accomodate a durable road for as with horses or people. As to
drainage, the layers that are put down below the stones already prohibit
movement of water. If water collects below the stones I imagine they will
frost heave. If the stones are NOT used for traffic pavement, like for
trucks, but in a sidewalk let us say, then there is not as much a need for
sub-layers, they can be set on sand and pointed with sand, just like with
rural paving brick. Problem is if there is no stabilized control of the
sub-bed of the stones/bricks, and if trucks do drive over them, then they
will tend to sink into the ground. Another option is to put down a layer of
compacted stone dust, which is kind of like stone, but consists of crushed
stone, usually limestone, and then set the cobbles on them.
> So he dug up an old Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street
> sweeper, and had it built.
Kool!
> I didn't think they had that out here in the East.
I've seen heat lightening in the Finger Lakes.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">...why (Dan, or was it Ken?) you have to mortar the joints of Belgian block in street paving. Why not have them laid in sand, if its only a parking strip? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">The stones will rattle around and grind each other down in time, particularly if the sand washes out, which in the city it will certainly do -- trucks are not as easy to accomodate a durable road for as with horses or people. As to drainage, the layers that are put down below the stones already prohibit movement of water. If water collects below the stones I imagine they will frost heave. If the stones are NOT used for traffic pavement, like for trucks, but in a sidewalk let us say, then there is not as much a need for sub-layers, they can be set on sand and pointed with sand, just like with rural paving brick. Problem is if there is no stabilized control of the sub-bed of the stones/bricks, and if trucks do drive over them, then they will tend to sink into the ground. Another option is to put down a layer of compacted stone dust, which is kind of like stone, but consists of crushed stone, usually limestone, and then set the cobbles on them.<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So he dug up an old Studebaker design, c. 1895, for a horse drawn street sweeper, and had it built. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Kool!<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I didn't think they had that out here in the East.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I've seen heat lightening in the Finger Lakes.<BR>
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> And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?
Yes... I agree with everything Dan has said here.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And of course, those street trees you are watering through the paving?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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> Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little
> screen.
Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE as per Mr. Gray &
Mr. Follett greeting each other in the crowd at Town Hall.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralf, I hope you will give us all a big salute while your on the little screen.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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> Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again
Christopher,
Is this an example of obsessive-compulsive behaviour (moving from desk to
desk not quite happy with the feel of one chair over another)... or is it
that Eric's firm just does not want anyone to think that he is not always on
the move? Possibly they could assign him a number to move with him?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Please note my direct phone and fax numbers have changed again </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Christopher,<BR>
<BR>
Is this an example of obsessive-compulsive behaviour (moving from desk to desk not quite happy with the feel of one chair over another)... or is it that Eric's firm just does not want anyone to think that he is not always on the move? Possibly they could assign him a number to move with him?<BR>
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> Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sorry y'all, guess that message has been on a while. No more tho.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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> Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.
>
Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Pinhead salute and embare-ass myself on national TV, you're mistaken.<BR>
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> Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
> that be less embareassing?
Mini-Ralphs?
Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my
son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Mini-Ralphs?<BR>
<BR>
Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
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>=20
>=20
> Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE=20
> as per Mr. Gray & Mr. Follett greeting each other in the=20
> crowd at Town Hall.
I really really hope one of us is a geeky techhead that can tape this
thing tomorrow, digitize it, and post the .mpeg on PigHabit. I have a
commission meeting at 7:30 AM tomorrow and will be otherwise occupied
during the divine moment.
________________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic the cotton pickin' curtain on
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> Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
> that be less embareassing? .
>
Bob,
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the
fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since
they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"> .<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Bob,<BR>
<BR>
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.<BR>
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> So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in
> her desire to not visit.
>
Well, that subject won't last long.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, let us now hear about really nice people in NY lest Ruth be confirmed in her desire to not visit.<BR>
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How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead
membership so that she could salute us.
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Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:40 PM
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In a message dated 8/19/02 2:26:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Ralph, perhaps you can have your children give the salute for you. Would
that be less embareassing? .
Bob,
That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching from the Summit office (the
fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with us). Besides which, since
they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to give the salute themselves.
Ralph
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<DIV><SPAN class=231264721-19082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How
about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead membership
so that she could salute us.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ralph Walter
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Re: Mucus Mining in Window of Opportunity<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT
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you. Would that be less embareassing?</FONT><FONT lang=0
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Bob,<BR><BR>That's a lovely idea, but they'll be watching
from the Summit office (the fuckers wouldn't let us bring our snots with
us). Besides which, since they're not Pinheads, they aren't entitled to
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> Keep in mind that there IS THE POLITE VERSION OF THE SALUTE as per Mr. Gray &
> Mr. Follett greeting each other in the crowd at Town Hall.
>
Kindly enlighten us while there's still time. We get picked up at 5 AM.
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Kindly enlighten us while there's still time. We get picked up at 5 AM.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:20 EDT
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> Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!
>
>
Yeah, but my ass would be embared. And that's snot a pretty sight. Which
would truly be a site for sore eyes.
Trust me.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh, Ralph, it snot as bad as it seems!<BR>
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Yeah, but my ass would be embared. And that's snot a pretty sight. Which would truly be a site for sore eyes.<BR>
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Trust me.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:49:12 EDT
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> Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my
> son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!
>
Mrs. Ralph thinks she wants to see it, but some of the Little Ralphs think
it's too childish. If not peurile, penile, prenile, or penal.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Goldmember had me laughing all the way through. Trying to quietly laugh my son asked several times if I was all right. Very peurile!<BR>
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Mrs. Ralph thinks she wants to see it, but some of the Little Ralphs think it's too childish. If not peurile, penile, prenile, or penal.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:01:26 EDT
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> How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead
> membership so that she could salute us.
>
She'll be so happy! Wait till I tell her!
Ralph
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How about Mrs. Ralf, I would be willing to vote yes for a one day pinhead membership so that she could salute us.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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She'll be so happy! Wait till I tell her!<BR>
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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:22:51 EDT
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Subject: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
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...in the Vineyard. But now the c. 1952 concrete floors are a problem. They
were originally painted green, then in 1999 painted again. But the 1999
paint job is failing, albeit only in areas where the glides on the chairs
rub. But it is quite noticeable (should have done the 1999 work in the same
green, but didn't think that far ahead).
The painting was done by an excellent island painter (Alcatraz? Devils's?
No, Martha's Vineyard.) who doesn't really say much except that they really
should be repainted every two or three years (@$1200 the pair).
I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a house with
porches with wooden floors and b) stripping all the paint off, exposing the
"natural" concrete (which appears to be a nice sand color). What's wrong
with that? Stains? Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest
marrying a painter).
Sign me, Please No More Wax
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>...in the Vineyard. But now the c. 1952 concrete floors are a problem. They were originally painted green, then in 1999 painted again. But the 1999 paint job is failing, albeit only in areas where the glides on the chairs rub. But it is quite noticeable (should have done the 1999 work in the same green, but didn't think that far ahead).
<BR>
<BR>The painting was done by an excellent island painter (Alcatraz? Devils's? No, Martha's Vineyard.) who doesn't really say much except that they really should be repainted every two or three years (@$1200 the pair).
<BR>
<BR>I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a house with porches with wooden floors and b) stripping all the paint off, exposing the "natural" concrete (which appears to be a nice sand color). What's wrong with that? Stains? Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest marrying a painter).
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In a message dated 8/19/02 10:23:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Sign me, Please No More Wax
How do you propose to get a straight bikini line?
Ralph
PS-- Take off the paint and fuhgeddaboudit.
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How do you propose to get a straight bikini line?<BR>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:58:04 -0400
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Great topics to cheer me up this morning....
Bill: I wonder if anyone knows if the information on balloon-framing is
in any published reference book on the history of building technology.
I'm sure I can't find the vintage LIFE magazine you referenced.
Ralph: I missed your show, so I hope it is taped and distributed. I'm
sure I won't agree with anything you said, but at least I would be able
to put the face to the schtick.
And, finally, a new movie to recommend: Sunshine State, a humorous,
politically correct interpretation of the issues of anti-sprawl
development in, where else but, the Sunshine State. One comment made
during a public forum for citizen input was that when the
preservationists support the community, the environmentalists can't be
far behind. Almost as long as The Fast Runner, at least the actors do
not all look alike.
Ilene R. Tyler
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:24:27 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Met History
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:23 PM
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> Subject: Finally got most of the wax off the screens on the porch...
>=20
>=20
> I've been toying with the idea of a) marrying someone with a=20
> house with porches with wooden floors=20
=20
If you think paint peeling from concrete is an expensive maintenance
chore, you might want to follow through on this idea to give yourself
some perspective on the matter....
> b) stripping all=20
> the paint off, exposing the "natural" concrete (which appears=20
> to be a nice sand color). What's wrong with that? Stains? =20
> Dirt? Any low-maintenance ideas (but don't suggest marrying=20
> a painter).=20
Plain concrete would be fine. An occasional gentle power wash with mild
detergent will take care of any stains and dirt that will accumulate;
but get someone that knows what they are doing...don't let them
hydro-mine the floor. Especially don't let someone try to talk you into
removing the paint with a power washer.=20
You probably won't be able to get all the paint film off everywhere
without some erosion of the concrete floor; what will the surface look
like then? You'll probably have some paint left somewhere...the surface
finish won't be as uniform as you would wish it to be.
Consider a fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating. I've been very
pleased with its performance on my concrete front porch...tough,
flexible, durable in color, long-wearing, easily renewed. You want to be
certain that your prep work is flawless, but once you get it down tight,
it'll stay for good. Unless you are an abuser; then nothing is safe.=20
___________________________________________________________
Dan Becker, Exec. Dir. "Have nothing in your house that
Raleigh Historic you do not know to be useful
Districts Commission or believe to be beautiful."
[log in to unmask] -- William Morris =20
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:23:28 -0400
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 7:58:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Ralph: I missed your show, so I hope it is taped and distributed. I'm sure I won't agree with anything you said, but at least I would be able to put the face to the schtick.
Ilene,
Our secretary taped it, and all we gotta do is figure out how to convert it to DVD. Technogeeks, stand forth!
My poil of wisdom dribbled forth in response to a question asking whether Chore Wars spill over into the bedroom, especially if the husband's sitting on his ass drinking beer all day and the wife has done laundry, shopping, diapers, etc. etc. etc on and on forever.
I agreed that the Chore Wars do spill over into that sphere, and pointed out (in so many words) that if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
Mr. Sensitive
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> Any low-maintenance ideas
Parking garage traffic deck coating.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/19/2002 7:23:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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Parking garage traffic deck coating.</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:15:07 EDT
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:23:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> ...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance
> that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above,
the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to
teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he should
have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian comment
was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly everyone
might do more chores.
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between
husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking
to the emotional needs of a child.
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of
the Walter team.
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half
of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what
the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband
stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the health
of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was looking
into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency thing,
which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the gutters.
][<en
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above, the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly everyone might do more chores. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking to the emotional needs of a child.<BR>
<BR>
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the Walter team.<BR>
<BR>
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was looking into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency thing, which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the gutters.<BR>
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And don't forget the dogged investigative reporting into the area of clothes
folding sabotage! (Doing it wrong so you wouldn't be asked to do it again.)
It was great that they put Ralph front and center. He does clean up nicely,
doesn't he? (I think I've only seen him in flannel plaid shirt and cords,
not the black suit and shoes look.)
Ralph - after your comment early in the piece did they turn off your mike?
Bruce
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 7:23:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
...if the wives would put out a little more often, there was a good chance
that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and will add to the above,
the wife of another couple was going on how she often holds back at night to
teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for sex, then he
should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky Ralphian
comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly
everyone might do more chores.
Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50 split could not be calculated between
husband and wife as it is not possible to compare washing dishes to looking
to the emotional needs of a child.
I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of
the Walter team.
What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is that what one half
of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain family is not what
the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense of her husband
stating that they were both working towards the same goal and that the
health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There was
looking into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency
thing, which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the
gutters.
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<DIV><SPAN class=800481916-20082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>And
don't forget the dogged investigative reporting into the area of clothes folding
sabotage! (Doing it wrong so you wouldn't be asked to do it again.)
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<DIV><SPAN class=800481916-20082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>It was
great that they put Ralph front and center. He does clean up nicely,
doesn't he? (I think I've only seen him in flannel plaid shirt and cords,
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<DIV><SPAN class=800481916-20082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Ralph
- after your comment early in the piece did they turn off your
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helpful.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I saw Ralph's brief cameo of television infamy, and
will add to the above, the wife of another couple was going on how she often
holds back at night to teach her husband a lesson... if he has enough energy for
sex, then he should have enough energy to help with the chores. Ralph's perky
Ralphian comment was more to the effect, if one does not hold back then possibly
everyone might do more chores. <BR><BR>Mrs. Ralph remarked how a true 50:50
split could not be calculated between husband and wife as it is not possible to
compare washing dishes to looking to the emotional needs of a child.<BR><BR>I
did not think that the program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the
Walter team.<BR><BR>What was not looked into further, but seemed obvious, is
that what one half of a couple thinks needs to be done in order to maintain
family is not what the other half may think. One woman was very clear in defense
of her husband stating that they were both working towards the same goal and
that the health of his business goes directly to the health of the family. There
was looking into the fold the clothes, not fold the clothes male incompetency
thing, which goes as well for clean out the gutters, not clean out the
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> Parking garage traffic deck coating.=20
Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
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>
> I did not think that the program was balanced to handle the
> intelligence of the Walter team.
After according to ABCnews.com, "The American Family" is brought to you
by Kmart. My question is, before appering on the show did they tell
the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying Up
Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
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program was balanced to handle the intelligence of the Walter team.</font></font></blockquote>
After according to ABCnews.com, "The American Family" is brought to you
by Kmart. My question is, before appering on the show did they
tell the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying
Up Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
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> Ralph - after your comment early in the piece did they turn
> off your mike?
Wha
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> > Parking garage traffic deck coating.
>
> Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric
> coating?
At the high end of the market, yes.
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> . My question is, before appering on the show did they tell the HC that the title of the segment would be "Are Chore Wars Drying Up Your Sex Life?" Was it really worth a 5am limo
> ride?
Mitch,
We knew that They were going to delve into this specific area. Whether it was worth the ride is hard to say, but it was not a bad change [you will NEVER hear me use those 4 words together again] to drag my ass out of bed at the Old Time again--I got up at 4:40 AM for 12 years until very recently, so I could be at work in NY at 7:00 AM , so I could leave at 4 and feed babies.
The 5 AM limo ride was nicer than the 5:50 bus ride, and cheaper (to me, at least); Mrs Ralph took the limo home, and I waddled over to work. One could live with being driven to work as a way of life, and in fact the bank presidents and bigshot Wall Streeters in our town somehow manage to put up with it. Not necessarily at 5 AM, but then again Charles Gibson of GMA used to live near us, and he musta gotten up and been driven in then, if not earlier.
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Dear Mr. Sensitive,
I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent
a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little
Ralphs.
Lisa
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> I agreed that the Chore Wars do spill over into that sphere, and pointed
out (in so many words) that if the wives would put out a little more often,
there was a good chance that the husbands would be a little more helpful.
>
> Mr. Sensitive
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When are all of these assholes going to die? Every one of them have some damn
deceased person in their family. He obviously has me mixed up with Dubya. I'm
not the president. I'm nobody.
> ATTN:The president
>
> l am sorry for the embarrassment, this my letter might cause you as we have
> not had any correspondence before this letter. I got your emailaddress from
> a reliable source. I carried out an extensive search andenquiry through the
> Nigerian chamber of commerce and also the Nigerianexport promotion council
> after the extensive search and enquiry, youraddress was given to me with
> very high recommendations by the two earliermentioned establishments.
> Although I did not disclose my major intentionsbecause of it's top level
> confidential nature. I only told them thatI was in search of a plastic
> processing company, which I want to investin. I really want to invest in
> plastic processing industry since it isa very lucrative business. My major
> motive is to invest in your countrythrough a reliable and trustworthy
> foreigner. l am DR. MRS MARIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of
> State,GeneralSanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on
> active duty I am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be of
> greathelp to each other and also develop a cordial business
> relationship.lcurrently have within my reach the sum of Fifty-five Million
> US DollarsUS$55,000,000.00)cash which l intend to use for investment, like
> Real EstateDevelopmentspecifically in your country. This money came as a
> payback contract deal between my late husband anda Russian Firm on
> ourcountries multi-billion dollars Ajaokuta Steel Plant.The Russian
> Partners returned my husband's share of US$55,000,000.00after the death of
> my husband and I lodged it in my husband's securitycompany of which l am
> the director right now, the new Civilian Governmenthave intensified their
> probe on my husband's financial and oil company.ln view of these, l acted
> fast to withdraw the U$55,000,000.00 from the company'! s vault and
> deposited as familytreasurein a Security Company for safe custody. l have
> since declared theSecurityCompany!
> > bankrupt. No record ever existed concerning the money traceableby the
> government because there is no documentation showing that we receivedthe
> money from the Russian. Due to the current situation in he
> countryconcerning government attitude towards my family, it has become
> quiteimpossible for me to make use of this money within, thus consent l
> shallexpect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss in detail
> aboutthis transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to
> transfer this fund,l proposed a percentage of 30% of the total sum to you
> for the expectedservice and assistance, 5% for offsetting minor expenses
> incurred inthe course of this transaction.5% has been mapped out for
> charity purposes.Your urgent response is highly needed as to stop further
> contacts. All correspondence must be by the email address above. l will
> give youmy tel/fax numbers where you can contact me when l hear from you.l
> mustuse this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost indulgenceto
> keep this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decisionwhile
> await your prompt response.May the Almighty Allah bless you.
> Best regards,
> Dr Mrs.Mariam Abacha.
>
> NB: Because of the security being mounted on the members of my family,l
> have decided that this transaction exist between you and my Nephew
> Engr. Patrick ojo. Remember to include your private tel/fax or mobile
> number for easy communication. my mobile number is 234-80-33009066
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">When are all of these assholes going to die? Every one of them have some damn deceased person in their family. He obviously has me mixed up with Dubya. I'm not the president. I'm nobody.<BR>
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<BR>
l am sorry for the embarrassment, this my letter might cause you as we have not had any correspondence before this letter. I got your emailaddress from a reliable source. I carried out an extensive search andenquiry through the Nigerian chamber of commerce and also the Nigerianexport promotion council after the extensive search and enquiry, youraddress was given to me with very high recommendations by the two earliermentioned establishments. Although I did not disclose my major intentionsbecause of it's top level confidential nature. I only told them thatI was in search of a plastic processing company, which I want to investin. I really want to invest in plastic processing industry since it isa very lucrative business. My major motive is to invest in your countrythrough a reliable and trustworthy foreigner. l am DR. MRS MARIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of State,GeneralSanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on active duty I am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be of greathelp to each other and also develop a cordial business relationship.lcurrently have within my reach the sum of Fifty-five Million US DollarsUS$55,000,000.00)cash which l intend to use for investment, like Real EstateDevelopmentspecifically in your country. This money came as a payback contract deal between my late husband anda Russian Firm on ourcountries multi-billion dollars Ajaokuta Steel Plant.The Russian Partners returned my husband's share of US$55,000,000.00after the death of my husband and I lodged it in my husband's securitycompany of which l am the director right now, the new Civilian Governmenthave intensified their probe on my husband's financial and oil company.ln view of these, l acted fast to withdraw the U$55,000,000.00 from the company'! s vault and deposited as familytreasurein a Security Company for safe custody. l have since declared theSecurityCompany! <BR>
> bankrupt. No record ever existed concerning the money traceableby the government because there is no documentation showing that we receivedthe money from the Russian. Due to the current situation in he countryconcerning government attitude towards my family, it has become quiteimpossible for me to make use of this money within, thus consent l shallexpect you to contact me urgently to enable us discuss in detail aboutthis transaction. Bearing in mind that your assistance is needed to transfer this fund,l proposed a percentage of 30% of the total sum to you for the expectedservice and assistance, 5% for offsetting minor expenses incurred inthe course of this transaction.5% has been mapped out for charity purposes.Your urgent response is highly needed as to stop further contacts. All correspondence must be by the email address above. l will give youmy tel/fax numbers where you can contact me when l hear from you.l mustuse this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost indulgenceto keep this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decisionwhile await your prompt response.May the Almighty Allah bless you.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 9:34:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
>
Dan,
I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all traffic
coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as elastomeric.
Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and gotten
shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of traffic
coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer cement
based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages, etc.
their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.
If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?<BR>
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Dan,<BR>
<BR>
I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all traffic coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as elastomeric. Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and gotten shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of traffic coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer cement based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages, etc. their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.<BR>
<BR>
If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.<BR>
<BR>
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> Was it really worth a 5am limo ride?
>
Mitch,
I assume we may not get the true answer until tommorrow.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Was it really worth a 5am limo ride? <BR>
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Mitch,<BR>
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I assume we may not get the true answer until tommorrow.<BR>
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At the low end they use any old shit at hand?
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> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
> ][<en
>
Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
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<BR>Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher
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>
> In a message dated 8/20/2002 9:34:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > Isn't this also known as fluid-applied acrylic elastomeric coating?
> >
> Dan,
>
> I did not read your post until after I posted. Actually, not all
traffic
> coatings are acrylic. And I'm unclear if they all classify as
elastomeric.
> Having done a project of concrete balconies not too long back, and
gotten
> shafted in the process, I can report that we used two types of
traffic
> coating materials, one a styrene based material, the other a polymer
cement
> based. Though these materials are commonly used for parking garages,
etc.
> their durability is also good for the traffic of rocking chairs.
>
> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
>
> ][<en
>
>
Ken,
I wouldn't have used either one of those systems.
Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor and
break down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
I have also seen and heard the shpiel for the polymer-modified
cementitous stuff, which is based on styrenated acrylic latex
modifiers developed in Germany. I had the opportunity to meet the
German inventor, several years ago. We got past the published
performance specs and into questions of longer term performance
history. It isn't pretty. Cement, however flexible it is made by
initial overdose of polymer, is still cement. The time comes, a few
years down the line, when it kind of just behaves a lot like concrete.
Definitely not elastomeric.
As for the typical commercial parking deck coatings made today, most
are moisture-cured polyurethane. They work, most of the time.
Acrylic elastomeric coatings can be as varied as acrylic polymers are
themselves varied in their properties. The typical waterborne stuff
was developed for the roof coating market and doesn't withstand much
traffic or abrasion. The reactive monomer systems can be stronger and
have a reasonable history in highway and bridge work.
Definition of elastomeric is not standardized, but should include the
following:
1. Has a reproducible % elongation, typically between 100 and 1000%.
2. Recovers after being stressed to elongation, typically at least 50
or 60%.
3. Retains a significant portion of its elongation and recovery even
at temperatures around zero Fahrenheit.
4. Retains most of its elongation and recovery after many years of
natural weather exposure.
That eliminates at least 75% of what is so9ld in this country
as "elastomeric", but that's what we need elastomeric coatings to do.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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>
>
>
Steve,
You may not be the president, but we like you better than Dubya, and think
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/02 3:49:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm not the president. I'm nobody.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
You may not be the president, but we like you better than Dubya, and think you're less likely to fall for this than he is.<BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group
lent
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little
Ralphs.
Ahhhhh, Lisa,
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, are much
more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and are at least 50%
more interesting than the mere twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are
still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between my tonnage and advanced
chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't
notice), I figured I had the gravitas department sewn up. However, I didn't
want my pinhead friends to be ashamed of my appearance, so I put your dues
(and generous non-taxable contributions) to work and bought a new light-blue
shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww), but by the time I got a discount on the shirt and
they deducted $10 from my bill, the shirt was FREE!
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and was pleased
to see that my nearly imperceptible Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated
probably looked like I was scratching my nose, got past the censors on live
TV. But youse guys know better.
Your favorite star,
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2>In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent<BR>
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they<BR>
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all the little Ralphs.<BR>
<BR>
Ahhhhh, Lisa,<BR>
<BR>
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.<BR>
<BR>
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, are much more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and are at least 50% more interesting than the mere twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.<BR>
<BR>
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between my tonnage and advanced chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't notice), I figured I had the gravitas department sewn up. However, I didn't want my pinhead friends to be ashamed of my appearance, so I put your dues (and generous non-taxable contributions) to work and bought a new light-blue shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww), but by the time I got a discount on the shirt and they deducted $10 from my bill, the shirt was FREE! <BR>
<BR>
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and was pleased to see that my nearly imperceptible Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated probably looked like I was scratching my nose, got past the censors on live TV. But youse guys know better.<BR>
<BR>
Your favorite star,<BR>
<BR>
Ralph<BR>
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In a message dated Tue, 20 Aug 2002 1:40:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> I thought that your being the most formally dressed person in the group lent
> a certain "gravitas" to your comments. I was very disappointed that they
> didn't put up a screen shot of you and Mrs. Ralph with all
> the little
> Ralphs.
Ahhhhh, Lisa,
You are most perceptive and wise despite your tender years.
I am confident the little Ralphs were not happy to remain unshown, and are much more interesting to look at than all those singletons, and at least 50% more interesting than the twins in the bathtub. The GMA bastards are still (8 hours later!) holding our pix hostage.
The suit may have lent me gravitas, but between gross tonnage and advanced chronological resources (we were the geezers in the group, in case you didn't notice), I figured I had gravitas of my own.
Was also VERY relieved to see that I don't have a bald spot, and noted upon close examination that I gave an unintentional Pinhead Salute after all, which to the unititated might look like I was scratching my nose (I had thought about using that as a ruse, and it must have penetrated my black hole of a subconscious after all). But youse guys know better.
Your favorite star,
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> At the low end they use any old shit at hand?
][<en,
Certain of our mutual non-friends would probably use any new shit at hand.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At the low end they use any old shit at hand?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<BR>
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:19:14 EDT
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In a message dated 8/20/02 6:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> >> If it were me I'd go for the raw concrete.
>> ][<en
>>
>
> Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? Christopher
>
Christopher,
If it were me, I'd leave it natural. Now you gotta decide whether you're
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> bought a new light-blue shirt (at Sears--eeeewwww)
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Interesting title to the message... but I cannot open the mime.
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Ken, It was a Macintosh file...something for the other 5%. I pasted it
below.
Sounds like carpenter bees to me. Also sounds like the logs may have
been preserved this long by being protected by siding. I recommend
reinstallying siding if that was the case. Carpenter Bees are nutz.
They don't care if the wood is 1 year old or a hundred, treated or
untreated. They are just drilling a hole to plant their youngsters. It
the treatment kills the parents, it really doesn't matter to them after
they've dropped off their young and fullfilled their mission.
Purdue has a good web site for entomological issues. They may have
suggestions for managing carpenter bees. I'll have to look it up later
this week.
-jc
> From: Carol Younce
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:15 PM
> Subject: my " old log" cabin
>
> Dear Sirs,
> I would like some help in knowing what to do with the old logs on the
> outside of our cabin. It is a new ( 20 year old) house built with 200 year
> old logs salvaged from a barn in Augusta, WVa. The cabin is at a 1000 ft
> elevation in an open meadow in Burlington, West Virginia. We just bought
> the property a year and a half ago. As far as we can tell, the old, square
> cut logs have never been treated or preserved. The old adze marks still
> show. The past two summers we have seen many small borer bees making holes
> in the wood, especially on the sunny sides of the house, and then covering
> the holes with pieces of leaf. We would like to know what these are and how
> to deal with them, and also any advice you may have on treating or
> preserving the old logs. Thank you for your time,
> Carol Younce
> 703-273-7850
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<p><br>Ken, It was a Macintosh file...something for the other 5%.
I pasted it below.
<p>Sounds like carpenter bees to me. Also sounds like the logs may
have been preserved this long by being protected by siding. I recommend
reinstallying siding if that was the case. Carpenter Bees are nutz.
They don't care if the wood is 1 year old or a hundred, treated or untreated.
They are just drilling a hole to plant their youngsters. It the treatment
kills the parents, it really doesn't matter to them after they've dropped
off their young and fullfilled their mission.
<p>Purdue has a good web site for entomological issues. They may
have suggestions for managing carpenter bees. I'll have to look it
up later this week.
<p>-jc
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<pre>From: Carol Younce <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: my " old log" cabin
Dear Sirs,
I would like some help in knowing what to do with the old logs on the
outside of our cabin. It is a new ( 20 year old) house built with 200 year
old logs salvaged from a barn in Augusta, WVa. The cabin is at a 1000 ft
elevation in an open meadow in Burlington, West Virginia. We just bought
the property a year and a half ago. As far as we can tell, the old, square
cut logs have never been treated or preserved. The old adze marks still
show. The past two summers we have seen many small borer bees making holes
in the wood, especially on the sunny sides of the house, and then covering
the holes with pieces of leaf. We would like to know what these are and how
to deal with them, and also any advice you may have on treating or
preserving the old logs. Thank you for your time,
Carol Younce
703-273-7850
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> but we like you better than Dubya
>
>
> Isn't that special?
We could like you LESS than Dubya, and there could be a few benighted Pinheads who like Dubya more. But I hope not.
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> Noooooo not a Sears Sucker Suit.
Nooooo, a Sears sucker shirt. I used to have an ice cream man suit, but even though it was only 30 years ago, I don't think it'll fit anymore.
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On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Mary Krugman wrote:
> That's because the entire state of Vermont is a historic district, isn't it?
I thought Vermont had few legal protections for historic resources. In
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> Let me guess, the suit shrank?
You're absolutely right, although it hasn't been laundered in 30 years.
These modern fabrics aren't the same as they were in the Olden Days of our
yout'.
In "Life With Mother," Clarence Day Jr talks about how his father (my
starring role in Jr Hi, back when I was a Thespian, before I became a
Architect) in his old age would order new custom made suits from England, and
send the tailor the necessary measurements, taken years before. Somehow the
tailors kept making the damn suits too small.
As I always say, the more things change, the less they stay the same.
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You're absolutely right, although it hasn't been laundered in 30 years. These modern fabrics aren't the same as they were in the Olden Days of our yout'. <BR>
<BR>
In "Life With Mother," Clarence Day Jr talks about how his father (my starring role in Jr Hi, back when I was a Thespian, before I became a Architect) in his old age would order new custom made suits from England, and send the tailor the necessary measurements, taken years before. Somehow the tailors kept making the damn suits too small.<BR>
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As I always say, the more things change, the less they stay the same.<BR>
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Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
under the direction of the Breslins, and provided the scaffolding for the art
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so often appropriate credit is lacking. Congrats!
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Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
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art
conservators.
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on 8/22/02 8:55 AM, Ken Follett at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Today's Metro Section of the NY Times features an article (Glenn Collins) on
> the restoration of the Civil War Monument at Greenwood Cemetary in Brooklyn.
> What is not mentioned in the article is that Apple (John Weiss, Sr) recently
> completed cleaning and repointing the 35 foot high octagonal stone monument,
> under the direction of the Breslins, and provided the scaffolding for the art
> conservators.
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Was the architect mentioned?
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Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
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> Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
Ralph,
Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write.
The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the
entire project.
I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid
80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she
stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear
idea right then and there what to expect if we messed up the building. I
suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw us as one more low-bid
contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the entire project.<BR>
<BR>
I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid 80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear idea right then and there what to expect if we messed up the building. I suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw us as one more low-bid contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.<BR>
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Wow! There's only one more! Let's go find him and dispatch him/her!
-jc
Ken Follett wrote:
> In a message dated 8/22/2002 9:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
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>
>
>> Leave it to the Bresnans to take all the credit for themselves.
>
> Ralph,
>
> Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to
> write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and supportive to us
> throughout the entire project.
>
> I will admit, though, the the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in
> the mid 80's, before we had even started working at Tweed Courthouse,
> that she stormed into the meeting room and chewed us both out... we
> had a very clear idea right then and there what to expect if we messed
> up the building. I suspect she had no idea who were were, possibly saw
> us as one more low-bid contractor come to ruin the historic fabric.
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Wow! There's only one more! Let's go find him and dispatch
him/her!
<p>-jc
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<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Ralph,</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Not fair. They have not.
Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been
quite gracious and supportive to us throughout the entire project.</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>I will admit, though, the
the first time JW Sr. and I met Adrienne in the mid 80's, before we had
even started working at Tweed Courthouse, that she stormed into the meeting
room and chewed us both out... we had a very clear idea right then and
there what to expect if we messed up the building. I suspect she had no
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In a message dated Thu, 22 Aug 2002 1:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and
> supportive to us throughout the entire project.
][<en,
You can love her if you want, but I don't. She showed up at BBH just as it was being finished and graciously accepted all manner of congratulations on the wonderful job she'd done. She showed up (late) in a blizzard of loose papers at a Manh Muni Bldg meeting, and demanded that the meeting be started over.
As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
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Sounds like an opportunity for you to start working on your F, Ralph. Be gentlemanly, gracious, and wise. Provide her with the educational opportunity to learn that meetings do not begin until the architect arrives and they end when the architect sayz so. Thats why I get along so well with contractors...I
know what the rules are!
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> > Not fair. They have not. Newspaper reporters write what they want to write. The Bresnans have been quite gracious and
> > supportive to us throughout the entire project.
>
> ][<en,
>
> You can love her if you want, but I don't. She showed up at BBH just as it was being finished and graciously accepted all manner of congratulations on the wonderful job she'd done. She showed up (late) in a blizzard of loose papers at a Manh Muni Bldg meeting, and demanded that the meeting be started over.
>
> As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
>
> Ralph
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> As we high-class stars of stage and screen say, Fuck Her.
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> No doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.
Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my
few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her
more than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't
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if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact with her, she
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Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her more than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't really be considered one. However, she <U>is</U> a/an FAIA, which she probably doesn't deserve and there are others who certainly do deserve it. No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact with her, she could certainly be elevated (or descend) to that level.<BR>
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..about Pierre, the perceptive but weak-willed heir who ineffectively tries
to put into action fanciful schemes, like liberating the serfs on his vast
estate:
" Again, as in St. Petersburg, whole days, weeks and months of his life were
busily filled with parties, dinners, lunches and balls, allowing him no time
for reflection. Instead of the new life Pierre had hoped to lead, he still
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0400, M. P. Edison
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>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an astronomical figure
>to me. I can remember going through a period where we were getting a
>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and when I told the UPS rep
>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for that month, his
>response was that 1% would be enough to put them out of business.
geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of three
or four partitions, etc)
was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
packaging was inadequate, and
the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
docks....
the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value of the
damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance investigator,
rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
always late, and usually damaged, as well...
the bottom line is that unless a problem costs someone money, they will not
be motivated to solve it...
my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to indianapolis a couple
times a week to pick up materials myself
since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight damage on materials only,
not counting the handling and ill will costs the damage and missed
deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay off the truck...
and the girl scouts
loved having it for the big campouts ;)
when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and attended a small family
reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's notice, tarps, board games,
camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the truck "the world's
biggest purse"
(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells cargo pull-behinds,
but we were the only girlscout troop in the three state area with our own
box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at limited parking
campsites)
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In a message dated 8/23/02 8:46:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I've always had tool kits. It never occurred to my organized mind (anal
> retentive?) not to. But I call mine tool boxes. I've got plumbing,
> electrical, carpentry, mechanical (not including automotive tools), and
> least of all, metal working. These just contain the smaller, more delicate
> tools. There are also shelves and drawers full of the larger tools, spare
> tools, power tools, tool belts, and consumables. I'll stop before I
> embarrass myself.
>
> Tools and books; You can never have too many.
>
Stew:
I've always had tool boxes too. A general automotive/mechanical box. One in
each of the vehicles, too. A box of the lesser-used automotive tools, such
as ridge reamers and valve grinders. A carpenters box. Plumbing tools in a
crate. A drawer of drills. Hmm, actually 3 plus a tray of larger drills,
reamers, and little-used taps in oil. Electrical stuff. Electronics stuff,
such as VOM's and galvanometer lifters. A tool box of soldering irons. Bo
xes that go with specific machines, such as the table saw or the router.
There is also a home fix-it box, but it is actually a bag, so maybe it
shouldn't count.
There are also toy boxes, such as the saltwater fishing tackle box, the
freshwater fishing tackle box, the caving bag, the climbing-gear bags, etc.
Sometimes, playing at home with the tools just really doesn't hack it.
And this list of boxes and bags doesn't include the boxes of project remnant
and accumulated screws, bolts, pipe fittings, nails, washers, and other stuff
that saves trips to the hardware store.
Oh, books? Many years ago I estimated that I had over 2,000 books. Now,
there are more. Yes, I've read most of the books from cover to cover. Some,
I've read and used what I needed, and left the rest alone.
I built a bookcase for the books. That is kind of an understatement, as the
bookcase wraps around a room and used about 2 tons of lumber. Such a project
is a good use for the carpenters tools, which like all things can only be
useful if used.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/23/02 8:46:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always had tool kits. It never occurred to my organized mind (anal retentive?) not to. But I call mine tool boxes. I've got plumbing, electrical, carpentry, mechanical (not including automotive tools), and least of all, metal working. These just contain the smaller, more delicate tools. There are also shelves and drawers full of the larger tools, spare tools, power tools, tool belts, and consumables. I'll stop before I embarrass myself.<BR>
<BR>
Tools and books; You can never have too many.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Stew:<BR>
<BR>
I've always had tool boxes too. A general automotive/mechanical box. One in each of the vehicles, too. A box of the lesser-used automotive tools, such as ridge reamers and valve grinders. A carpenters box. Plumbing tools in a crate. A drawer of drills. Hmm, actually 3 plus a tray of larger drills, reamers, and little-used taps in oil. Electrical stuff. Electronics stuff, such as VOM's and galvanometer lifters. A tool box of soldering irons. Boxes that go with specific machines, such as the table saw or the router. There is also a home fix-it box, but it is actually a bag, so maybe it shouldn't count.<BR>
<BR>
There are also toy boxes, such as the saltwater fishing tackle box, the freshwater fishing tackle box, the caving bag, the climbing-gear bags, etc. Sometimes, playing at home with the tools just really doesn't hack it.<BR>
<BR>
And this list of boxes and bags doesn't include the boxes of project remnant and accumulated screws, bolts, pipe fittings, nails, washers, and other stuff that saves trips to the hardware store. <BR>
<BR>
Oh, books? Many years ago I estimated that I had over 2,000 books. Now, there are more. Yes, I've read most of the books from cover to cover. Some, I've read and used what I needed, and left the rest alone. <BR>
<BR>
I built a bookcase for the books. That is kind of an understatement, as the bookcase wraps around a room and used about 2 tons of lumber. Such a project is a good use for the carpenters tools, which like all things can only be useful if used. <BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 12:15:36 EDT
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I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
contractor to reshingle our roof.
The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
Any help would be appreciated!!
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Where do we start? Positive side waterproofing is, as has been stated,
placed upon the exterior or "Positive Pressure" side of the structure.
Typically this is applied during construction but with excavation, can be
installed at a later date. There are other means of positive waterproofing
of an existing building and this involves the drilling of holes at specific
intervals through the wall and injecting water reactive Acrylate Ester Gels
to form a Water Barrier. This active "positive side" waterproofing reacts to
water and prevents further water from coming in. This is used primarily when
access to the exterior of the structure is not available due to obstruction,
property lines, etc. While Europe has used these methods for some time they
have only been used here in New York for the past 5 years.
I apologize in advance but must disagree with Eric on his statement about
"letting water in then removing it". This can cause other issues such as
cavitations outside the structure due to the piping effect of the constant
flow of water as well as possibly raise the "humidity" level in a structure
which has its own host of problems, mold, etc.
Negative side, as previously stated is on the face of the interior wall and
is totally dependant upon the surface or after applying the waterproofing
the substrate integrity, as well as the integrity of the waterproofing
product itself as you get some nasty combinations of chemicals when you try
to stop "leaks" ( water plus other materials/chemicals)
Positive, during or after construction is always preferred, however until
recently negative was almost the only "remedial" solution available.
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Could someone explain "negative and positive waterproofing."
J
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Our purchasing people tell me to buy things "FOB our loading dock" which is
supposed to put the problem in someone else's court (the company you're
buying it from or the trucker). I would think they pretty quickly learn to
do a better job of packing it, mark it as fragile, or choose their truckers
more carefully. This assumes you can do an adequate job of inspecting it
for damage before you accept it.
Living in an Ideal World
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On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0400, M. P. Edison
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>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an astronomical figure
>to me. I can remember going through a period where we were getting a
>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and when I told the UPS rep
>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for that month, his
>response was that 1% would be enough to put them out of business.
geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of three
or four partitions, etc)
was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
packaging was inadequate, and
the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
docks....
the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value of the
damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance investigator,
rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
always late, and usually damaged, as well...
the bottom line is that unless a problem costs someone money, they will not
be motivated to solve it...
my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to indianapolis a couple
times a week to pick up materials myself
since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight damage on materials only,
not counting the handling and ill will costs the damage and missed
deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay off the truck...
and the girl scouts
loved having it for the big campouts ;)
when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and attended a small family
reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's notice, tarps, board games,
camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the truck "the world's
biggest purse"
(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells cargo pull-behinds,
but we were the only girlscout troop in the three state area with our own
box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at limited parking
campsites)
deb
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Our purchasing people tell me to buy things "FOB =
our loading dock" which is supposed to put the problem in someone =
else's court (the company you're buying it from or the trucker). =
I would think they pretty quickly learn to do a better job of packing =
it, mark it as fragile, or choose their truckers more carefully. =
This assumes you can do an adequate job of inspecting it for damage =
before you accept it.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Living in an Ideal World</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Deb Bledsoe [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">mailto:[log in to unmask]</A>]</FON=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 4:56 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: 99% Design</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:53:36 -0400, M. P. =
Edison</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><[log in to unmask]> wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>Material failure on the order of 5% would seem an =
astronomical figure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>to me. I can remember going through a period =
where we were getting a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>lot of UPS damage to our small shipments, and =
when I told the UPS rep</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>that it was only about 1% of our shipments for =
that month, his</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>response was that 1% would be enough to put them =
out of business.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I =
did!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL =
shipments (small jobs of three</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or four partitions, etc)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>was that I was receiving about one damaged box for =
every three sent...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>UPS and the trucking companies claimed the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>packaging was inadequate, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the shippers claimed the material belonged to me =
once it left their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>docks....</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the trucking company OS&D usually offered me =
half of half the value of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the =
insurance investigator,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, =
wait for trucking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement =
material, which was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>always late, and usually damaged, as well...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the bottom line is that unless a problem costs =
someone money, they will not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>be motivated to solve it...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>my solution was to buy a big ole truck and drive to =
indianapolis a couple</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>times a week to pick up materials myself</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>since I was losing at least $8K a year to freight =
damage on materials only,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>not counting the handling and ill will costs the =
damage and missed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>deadlines created, it didn't take too long to pay =
off the truck...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>and the girl scouts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>loved having it for the big campouts =
;)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>when I returned from a long weekend g.s. event and =
attended a small family</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reunion and was able to produce, at a moment's =
notice, tarps, board games,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>camp stools, and a dining fly, my brother dubbed the =
truck "the world's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>biggest purse"</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(all the boy scout troops had busses and fancy wells =
cargo pull-behinds,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>but we were the only girlscout troop in the three =
state area with our own</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>box truck -- it sure cut down on minivan clutter at =
limited parking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>campsites)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>deb</FONT>
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:17:34 EDT
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In a message dated 8/23/02 2:13:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> So don't buy a $40 set of metric wrenches, get the $3 set and if one of them
> wears out, just replace that particular wrench with one of higher quality.
>
> To summarize: quality tools are a pleasure to own and use, and they will
> last for a lifetime (or more). Cheap tools will give you the ability to
> perform more tasks, sooner.
>
> Stew
> looking for more uses for my suction cup dent puller
Stew:
I both agree and disagree. I agree that some tools do just as good a job if
they are cheap as if they are top-of-the line. Some cheap tools, however,
cause too much aggravation and damage. Broken or spread wrenches and sockets
tend to make a quick project balloon into a day-long effort. And, if they
cause the problem when in somebody else's hands, you often become obligated
to help. And what about Phillips screwdrivers? Cheap ones damage screws so
readily that you may as well carry a drill and visegrips. There is a
solution to the expense of both cheap and quality tools. Purchase your extra
or loaner quality tools in pawn shops or at flea markets!
More uses for your suction cup dent puller, eh? Well, it works on all types
of sheet metal, not just that on cars. I used mine on a cooler once. It is
also handy if you replace a windshield or a rear car window. It can even
make you a hero. But only if you use it in the traditional manner after your
friend sideswipes a deer.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/23/02 2:13:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So don't buy a $40 set of metric wrenches, get the $3 set and if one of them wears out, just replace that particular wrench with one of higher quality.<BR>
<BR>
To summarize: quality tools are a pleasure to own and use, and they will last for a lifetime (or more). Cheap tools will give you the ability to perform more tasks, sooner.<BR>
<BR>
Stew<BR>
looking for more uses for my suction cup dent puller</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Stew:<BR>
<BR>
I both agree and disagree. I agree that some tools do just as good a job if they are cheap as if they are top-of-the line. Some cheap tools, however, cause too much aggravation and damage. Broken or spread wrenches and sockets tend to make a quick project balloon into a day-long effort. And, if they cause the problem when in somebody else's hands, you often become obligated to help. And what about Phillips screwdrivers? Cheap ones damage screws so readily that you may as well carry a drill and visegrips. There is a solution to the expense of both cheap and quality tools. Purchase your extra or loaner quality tools in pawn shops or at flea markets!<BR>
<BR>
More uses for your suction cup dent puller, eh? Well, it works on all types of sheet metal, not just that on cars. I used mine on a cooler once. It is also handy if you replace a windshield or a rear car window. It can even make you a hero. But only if you use it in the traditional manner after your friend sideswipes a deer.<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)<BR>
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Interesting that you would choose to discharge her in an arena where she
would have a sporting chance of doing you...or escaping, or surviving.
I think that when I truly dislike someone, my thoughts tend toward the
more deliberate and certain outcome. Fencing is sport. A duel should
be with shot guns, or tomahawks, something certain to produce ample
quantities of blood and gore...even if by accidient, or dumb luck.
I am shocked to learn that this person has an F. Seems someone is not
minding the store.
-jc
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>
>> No doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.
>
> Actually, I've been thinking about whether she should be considered
> one of my few Mortal Enemies. But, since I haven't had the
> displeasure of seeing her more than once or twice in the since I first
> met her, she probably can't really be considered one. However, she is
> a/an FAIA, which she probably doesn't deserve and there are others who
> certainly do deserve it. No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God
> forbid) have future contact with her, she could certainly be elevated
> (or descend) to that level.
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> A Mortal Enemy is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like
> to kill him/her in the course of a sword fight.
>
> Sign me,
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Interesting that you would choose to discharge her in an arena where she
would have a sporting chance of doing you...or escaping, or surviving.
I think that when I truly dislike someone, my thoughts tend toward
the more deliberate and certain outcome. Fencing is sport.
A duel should be with shot guns, or tomahawks, something certain to produce
ample quantities of blood and gore...even if by accidient, or dumb luck.
<p>I am shocked to learn that this person has an F. Seems someone
is not minding the store.
<p>-jc
<p>Ralph Walter wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>In a message dated
8/22/02 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:</font></font>
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doubt this is one of Ralf's good friends.</font></font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Actually, I've
been thinking about whether she should be considered one of my few Mortal
Enemies. But, since I haven't had the displeasure of seeing her more
than once or twice in the since I first met her, she probably can't really
be considered one. However, she <u>is</u> a/an FAIA, which she probably
doesn't deserve and there are others who certainly do deserve it.
No doubt if I had had more contact, or (God forbid) have future contact
with her, she could certainly be elevated (or descend) to that level.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>A Mortal Enemy
is someone who has irritated me so much that I'd like to kill him/her in
the course of a sword fight.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Sign me,</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Otherwise Mild-Mannered</font></font></font>
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Heidi,
If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd suggest getting
in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania Historical
and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads, but there
might be some lurking.
In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
-jc
Heidi Harendza wrote:
> I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
>
> Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
> experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
> have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
> working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
> contractor to reshingle our roof.
>
> The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
> seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
> for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
> area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
>
> Any help would be appreciated!!
>
> -Heidi
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In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"?
Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do with
your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at least
less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good condition to
begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is covered up. The
condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that is the deciding
factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I suppose, about
dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can be seen as the
patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak in to the concrete
to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with one's aesthetic... I like
seeing signs that people have been using a space, particularly with a
non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything clean and perfect. Door
saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they make me want to follow
and step through the door. I would also be inclined to do a sloppy job of
paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself and not for a client
like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys. I should also admit,
probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that have been left
outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the frames mostly
gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections. Goes to
wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0f0f0f" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"? </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do with your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at least less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good condition to begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is covered up. The condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that is the deciding factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I suppose, about dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can be seen as the patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak in to the concrete to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with one's aesthetic... I like seeing signs that people have been using a space, particularly with a non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything clean and perfect. Door saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they make me want to follow and step through the door. I would also be inclined to do a sloppy job of paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself and not for a client like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys. I should also admit, probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that have been left outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the frames mostly gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections. Goes to wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.<BR>
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> Pinhead Salute, which to the uninitiated probably looked like I was
> scratching my nose, got past the censors on live TV.
Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!
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Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!<BR>
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> Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor and break
> down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
Michael,
I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not only on
parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire State
Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment and dams in
Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?
Very much thanks for the definition of elastomeric... previously I thought it
was just another snake-oil term.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor and break down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Michael,<BR>
<BR>
I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not only on parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire State Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment and dams in Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?<BR>
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Tools... I like tools. We argue over it, but I have a room for the tools (a
big box) which holds the smaller tool boxes, usually, unless they wander,
which they often do. Quite some years back I bought a Sears mechanic's drawer
assembly and that has turned out to be a good piece of structure to attract
the tools to congregate around. Tools like to get loose, there are some in
the garage, some harboring themselves in the bus, and I am certain some of
them are laying in the yard.
I like the orange trays with the handles in the middle of them that you can
get at Home Depot. When doing a project I grab one and fill it up with tools.
WHen finished I carry it back to the tool room.
Boxes not only serve to store tools, fishing tackle, or model rocket parts...
but also there are boxes with only screws in them or bent nails or rocks,
depending. None of them are labeled, no need for it. A toolbox for software
(helps when you have to OS to have all the disks together), a toolbox for
computer tools. A bucket for spare change.
Books... too many and counting. I suppose I might get away with saying we
have a house to hold books in. Bookshelves, of course, but not enough of
them. Listening to a Homestead survivor of Hurricane Andrew talk about how
his house started moving around him in ways he never imagined it struck me
that we may not want to be in our house when a hurricane arrives. I bought
"What Went Wrong" and brought it home and set it down and after two months we
finally found it again. It was effective when I was searching through the
house, having a craving to read the book, and when asked what I was looking
for could reply, "What Went Wrong?"
Tools are also all the models of reality that we hold in our head and play
with each day. I also have writer tools... keeping track of boxes of commas
and semi-colons can be something of a chore.
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> Where do we start? Positive side waterproofing is
The Positives & Negatives of waterproofing on the one hand appear simple, on
the other they involve a wide range of complex variables. Just to think about
it is an inspiration that can keep one going for a long time... like for a
career. Water is an incredible material.
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<BR>
The Positives & Negatives of waterproofing on the one hand appear simple, on the other they involve a wide range of complex variables. Just to think about it is an inspiration that can keep one going for a long time... like for a career. Water is an incredible material.<BR>
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> Was the architect mentioned?
Yes, both of them near the end of article, and so also Modern Art Foundry.
Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures
into bronze by Modern Art Foundry -- ""We feel very proud of this," said
Washington Barros, who welded the statues together." The article covers the
glamorous aspects of the project. Cleaning and pointing are not quite so
glamorous.
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<BR>
Yes, both of them near the end of article, and so also Modern Art Foundry. Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures into bronze by Modern Art Foundry -- ""We feel very proud of this," said Washington Barros, who welded the statues together." The article covers the glamorous aspects of the project. Cleaning and pointing are not quite so glamorous.<BR>
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From New York Press article by David Leslie, 08/21-27/02, "Evel Knievel week
drew international interest amd much income to Butte's (Montana) historic
landmark district, said to be the second largest in the nation after New
Orleans. For me, one of the biggest lures was the temporary Evel Knieval
exhibit at Butte's Piccadilly Museum of Transporation Memorabilia and
Advertising Art, major pieces from which will be permanently housed in the
"Evel Knievel Experience," a museum/attraction that opens in Las Vegas next
summer.
If you happen to have the paper -- the lead in scene between the large black
lady, the ornery racist Texan and the little white guy on the Grayhound bus
on teh way to Butte is a whopper! A suspicious giggle that I let out in the
local Polish restaurant brought me undue staff attention while I was reading
the lead in, waiting for my take-out meal.
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In a message dated 8/22/2002 12:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> You can love her if you want, but I don't.
Ralph,
I was not ready to go quite that far... what I said was that we/Apple have
been treated fairly. It is not always the case, sometimes bitterly, and when
it is not the case I hesitate to say anything in public. I figure people will
make their own reputations without too much help from me.
My crazy neighbor, whom I detest very much, welcomes all newcomers to the
neighborhood and quickly tells them to avoid the madman on the corner (me --
if only he had not kidnapped our dog so many years ago). After a few weeks
the newcomers figure out who is crazy, get to meet Kathy, and eventually come
over to meet me. If I put a big sign up in the yard (actually I have been
thinking about making a dancing bear out of bricks to go next to the iris and
the crabapple) it would not do quite so well to inform the neighbors as for
me to leave my crazy unHampton neighbor alone.
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Ralph,<BR>
<BR>
I was not ready to go quite that far... what I said was that we/Apple have been treated fairly. It is not always the case, sometimes bitterly, and when it is not the case I hesitate to say anything in public. I figure people will make their own reputations without too much help from me.<BR>
<BR>
My crazy neighbor, whom I detest very much, welcomes all newcomers to the neighborhood and quickly tells them to avoid the madman on the corner (me -- if only he had not kidnapped our dog so many years ago). After a few weeks the newcomers figure out who is crazy, get to meet Kathy, and eventually come over to meet me. If I put a big sign up in the yard (actually I have been thinking about making a dancing bear out of bricks to go next to the iris and the crabapple) it would not do quite so well to inform the neighbors as for me to leave my crazy unHampton neighbor alone.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/22/2002 6:04:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> so often appropriate credit is lacking. Congrats!
Eric,
Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.
Thanks,
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Eric,<BR>
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Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:59:13 -0400
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Ken Follett wrote:
> . Most of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc
> sculptures into bronze by Modern Art Foundry --
What happened to the original zinc ones?
Curious in NC
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<p>Ken Follett wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>. Most
of the article has to do with the replication of the zinc sculptures into
bronze by Modern Art Foundry --</font></font></blockquote>
<p><br>What happened to the original zinc ones?
<p>Curious in NC
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> Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!
>
>
Fortunately, Charlene in our office got it on videotape.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Damn... I missed the salute! I demand a REPLAY!<BR>
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> Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.
>
>
I'm sure the Bresnans' was a smaller role in a still bigger picture.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Humbly appreciated. Our role was a small one in a bigger picture.<BR>
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Give David D. a call.
David Dauerty
To The Line Timber Frames
39 N Auringer Rd.
Constantia, NY 13044
Phone: 315-623-9722
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John Callan wrote:
> Heidi,
>
> If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd suggest getting
> in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania Historical
> and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads, but there
> might be some lurking.
>
> In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
> that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
>
> -jc
>
> Heidi Harendza wrote:
>
> > I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
> >
> > Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
> > experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
> > have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs? I'm
> > working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
> > contractor to reshingle our roof.
> >
> > The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
> > seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
> > for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
> > area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!!
> >
> > -Heidi
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<p><font color="#3333FF">David Dauerty</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">To The Line Timber Frames</font>
<br><font color="#3333FF">39 N Auringer Rd.</font>
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<p>John Callan wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Heidi,
<p>If PTN does not have such a list, some of its members do. I'd
suggest getting
<br>in touch with any PTN member who is also employed by the Pennsylvania
Historical
<br>and Museum Commission. I am not aware that any of them are Pinheads,
but there
<br>might be some lurking.
<p>In any event, there are a number of wood shingle roofs in Eastern Pennsylvania
<br>that demonstrate confidence in traditional building details and materials.
<p>-jc
<p>Heidi Harendza wrote:
<p>> I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
<br>>
<br>> Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
<br>> experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area?
Does PTN
<br>> have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle
roofs? I'm
<br>> working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help
find a
<br>> contractor to reshingle our roof.
<br>>
<br>> The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the
quote-- it
<br>> seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not
appropriate
<br>> for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central
NJ
<br>> area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
<br>>
<br>> Any help would be appreciated!!
<br>>
<br>> -Heidi
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:58:34 EDT
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Heidi,
Nice to hear from you. Try my friend Mike Hrebin in Oxford, NJ:
Oxford Contracting
POB 345
Oxford, NJ 07863
tel (908) 453-2584 fax (908) 453-0021
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Mike built a cedar-shingled barn (yours truly's first new building EVER, if
one doesn't count the conc slab and masonry base walls for a pre-fab
greenhouse on the same site) for the for the Reeves-Reed Arboretum here in
Summit. He is a great guy (on the order of ][<en); I don't know whether the
two of you are geographically desirable, however, since he seems to work
mostly for the rich people up here.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Heidi,<BR>
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Nice to hear from you. Try my friend Mike Hrebin in Oxford, NJ:<BR>
<BR>
Oxford Contracting<BR>
POB 345<BR>
Oxford, NJ 07863<BR>
<BR>
tel (908) 453-2584 fax (908) 453-0021<BR>
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Mike built a cedar-shingled barn (yours truly's first new building EVER, if one doesn't count the conc slab and masonry base walls for a pre-fab greenhouse on the same site) for the for the Reeves-Reed Arboretum here in Summit. He is a great guy (on the order of ][<en); I don't know whether the two of you are geographically desirable, however, since he seems to work mostly for the rich people up here.<BR>
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Hope all's well with you. How about an update for your Pinhead friends?<BR>
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:13:02 -0500
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Ralph,
I thought that a real interesting topic. My first new construction was
the reconstruction of a 1756 stockade...on the original site, but after
the farm house had been moved up the hill...probably the best site for
ruffians to fire down into the fort...which they did...probably while
consuming great quantities of their favored beverage. The garrison
surrended due to lack of sleep.
The next one wasn't a building, it was an exhibit. An exhibit of a
building...sort of.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:14:11 -0400
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deb wrote:
> geez, you musta had a different UPS company than I did!
> one of my biggest headaches with UPS and LTL shipments (small jobs of
three
> or four partitions, etc)
> was that I was receiving about one damaged box for every three sent...
> UPS and the trucking companies claimed the
> packaging was inadequate, and
> the shippers claimed the material belonged to me once it left their
> docks....
Inadequate packaging is a standard excuse for UPS destruction of
perfectly well packaged shipments. The technical term for this is, as
Ralph has so eloquently specified, BULLSHIT. As for your vendor
treating your shipment as "not their problem", please see the technical
specifications in the previous sentence.
> the trucking company OS&D usually offered me half of half the value
of the
> damage, or one quarter, and I still had to meet the insurance
investigator,
> rebox the material, file a claim with documentation, wait for trucking
> company pickup, and pay freight on the replacement material, which was
> always late, and usually damaged, as well...
> deb
>
> --
Our solution to the attempted outright thievery of UPS and other
interstate transportation firms (who are no longer subject to anybody's
regulation due to a brilliant downsizing of government and elimination
of the Interstate Commerce Commission) is to give them giant headaches.
UPS gas been under criminal investigation for unfair business practices
because we kept filing complaints with our state's Attorney General's
office. Since our story hit the papers, the complaints against UPS have
been coming out of the woodwork. In the meantime, all disputed bills
are on hold.
Trucking companies are easier to deal with. You don't pay them and you
find another one. They broke it, they bought it. Don't pay your vendor
either until they fix the problem. If we get damaged freight, we don't
pay the bill until its been worked out to our convenience. If we ship
something and it gets damaged, our customer only has to fax us a copy
of the delivery receipt on which they noted the damages. Then we ship
replacement material at no charge. Our trucking companies know they
will not be paid an amount equivalent to the damage until they have
paid us for it. If they try to settle for less, borrow a few technical
terms from Ralph's Histo Presto Lexicon and then sue them in small
claims court. Sue the guy who represents them personally, too.
It's a tough world out there. If we are not good consumers, we will be
doormats to the multitudes of unscrupulous businesses that prey on
small business people whom they count upon to lack the time, expertise
or energy to fight them.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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Message text written by Jabba the Hutt<
>> Noooooo not a Sears Sucker Suit.
>Nooooo, a Sears sucker shirt. I used to have an ice cream man suit, but=
even though it was only 30 years ago, I don't think it'll fit anymore.<
One of my ex-publishers (at Professional Pilot Magazine) used to like to
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> Sign me, not too fat if I can still fit in the Morgan
>
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Don,
No argument there. I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota
Previas.
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made
them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over for
the little Ralphs.
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Don,<BR>
<BR>
No argument there. I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota Previas. <BR>
<BR>
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over for the little Ralphs.<BR>
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I've often wondered just what does this stand for.
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In a message dated 8/24/2002 2:09:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Rambler
I think it was American Motors.
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:48:18 EDT
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In a message dated 8/24/2002 2:30:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> >> FOB
>
> I've often wondered just what does this stand for.
Steve,
Freight On Board. Means you pay shipping.
Ralph
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I've often wondered just what does this stand for.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Steve,<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Freight On Board. Means <U>you</U> pay shipping.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:51:44 EDT
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In a message dated 8/24/2002 2:41:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> >> Rambler
>
> I think it was American Motors.
Do you know when American Motors and Rambler merged? I seem to remember it
as late 50's early 60's, and I think the Metropolitan musta been about 1955.
Ralph
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I think it was American Motors.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Do you know when American Motors and Rambler merged? I seem to remember it as late 50's early 60's, and I think the Metropolitan musta been about 1955. <BR>
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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:29:31 -0400
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Ken writes:
>I suppose I might get away with saying we
have a house to hold books in. <
My impression of your house from my visit there: a nest of books. I recall
browsing through 5 or 10 books, into the late evening hours, quite
confortable among the blankets and paragraphs, dozing off, then a few
more--a dream of book covers as shingles on the roof above.
John Leeke
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 09:37:29 -0400
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Message text written by Ralph
>I wonder if it's a coincidence that we own 2 Toyota
Previas.
Mrs. Ralph, however, could fit in a (Rambler?-- I don't remember who made=
them, despite my yout' in California) Metropolitan with room left over fo=
r
the little Ralphs.
Ralph<
I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. Did=
you ever hear him talk about his German car? On NPR a couple of years ago=
,
with an encore performance on "Car Talk". =
My other car is a Volvo 240 station wagon--the "Hotel Volvo" at IPTW 2001=
.
Plenty of room. And the Morgan is roomy enough except for the doors,
especially with the original 17-inch steering wheel. It requires a sort o=
f
genuflection to get in and out of the driver's door. Morgan has in recent=
years started making the doors bigger, and the steering wheels smaller. =
The Metropolitan was made by a joint venture of Nash and Austin (in
England); it was an American concept and assembled here, with British
mechanicals (including a four-speed transmission with first blocked off
because Americans weren't used to shifting more than three gears--you can=
imagine the effect on acceleration with the tiny engine) and an
Italian-designed body (Pinin Farina, of all people, designed the entire
'bathtub' Nash line--described by one reviewer--I think it was Tom
McCahill--as "more Wheatena than Farina"). It was the first really
international and multi-make venture. They were sold under all the brand
names of what was becoming American Motors--mostly Nash, but also Hudson,=
and I think even as an AMC with an attempt at calling the Met a 'make' in=
its own right. They have an enthusiastic marque club. By virtue of the
Austin engine, they are included in the annual British Car Day show in
Maryland, where a few dozen usually turn up. =
Around here "rambler' is the name for what the rest of the country calls
'ranch' houses--I always get a chuckle from that, because like the Ramble=
r
cars, rambler houses are considered old-fashioned (in the wrong way), out=
of style, boring and only worthwhile for their utilitarian virtues. They
have no 'curb appeal' and that is the kiss of death for many buyers, who
often won't even get out of the car to look inside one. =
Don
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In a message dated 8/24/2002 2:48:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Freight On Board. Means you pay shipping.
>
Oh yeah, I knew that.
Sign me,
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:39:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> "Car Talk".
>
Sign me,
Dewey Cheatem Andhow
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:15:32 EDT
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 10:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Dumb as a stick
Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
I'm dumber than you are, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.
Ralph
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Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.<BR>
<BR>
I'm dumber than you are, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:25:07 EDT
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 9:39:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. I like
> that: "circumferentially challenged". But does it refer to those who are,
> shall we say, well endowed, or to those unfortunates who are of
> insignificant horizontal dimension? Did you ever hear him talk about his
> German car? Negatory. On NPR You mean Radio Havana? a couple of years ago,
> with an encore performance on "Car Talk". That's a good show. I was
> thinking the Pinheads should do one called "House Calls" and get paid to
> bullshit, like those speech-impaired (but funny as hell) guys up in Mass.
>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am indebted to Daniel Pinkwater for the phrase in the subject line. <B>I like that: "circumferentially challenged". But does it refer to those who are, shall we say, well endowed, or to those unfortunates who are of insignificant horizontal dimension? </B>Did you ever hear him talk about his German car? <B>Negatory. </B>On NPR <B>You mean Radio Havana? </B>a couple of years ago, with an encore performance on "Car Talk". <B>That's a good show. I was thinking the Pinheads should do one called "House Calls" and get <U>paid</U> to bullshit, like those speech-impaired (but funny as hell) guys up in Mass. </B><BR>
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In a message dated 8/25/2002 12:16:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
>
Okay, you take the cake. You've got me beat.
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:06:40 -0400
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Subject: Re: Dog Mining
In a message dated 8/16/2002 2:09:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =
[log in to unmask] writes:
This was the same kind soul who put up signs, coming off the elevator, =
telling workers not to urinate on his terrace. I would have been happy =
to place a porto-potty, or several in front of his bulding. As I =
remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider =
urinating on their owner's terrace.
Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this !#@%#$! but there are =
ladies on the list.
Steve, there is at least one lady on the list (me), who laughed =
delightedly when a co-worker on a scaffold expressed a desire to =
politely drop a brick thru the sunroof of a jaguar whose owner was =
blasting his/her horn for a number of minutes at some poor slob who was =
blocking the street picking up the garbage or something..... =20
and they thought brick CHIPS in the areaway were bad.... if they ONLY =
knew what evil lurks in the hearts of ladies ;)
sign me, the flying nun
ps.... remember the car in every driveway, chicken in every pot =
scenario from years ago? well, forget the democratic middle placement; =
I vote for a portopotty on every terrace, myself ;) =20
it's only fair that everyone should get a chance to use them, and hell, =
these folks can't complain.... they, at least, could step right out the =
back door to use the facilities..... we have to bring down the rig, =
clean our boots, thread our way thru a multi-level rabbit warren of =
subcellar tunnels and stairwells, emerge onto the sidewalk, circle =
around the block from one street to another to the next, and enter the =
democratically-situated potty on the street, all the while expecting to =
be ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the =
facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale =
outta-my-way-my-range-rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past =
"nudges" it a little.....
is this a great country or what ?!?
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Eastern Daylight=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">This was the same kind soul who put up signs, coming off =
the=20
elevator, telling workers not to urinate on his terrace. I would have =
been=20
happy to place a porto-potty, or several in front of his bulding. As I =
remember he had two black Labs that I am sure would never consider =
urinating=20
on their owner's terrace.<BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy Old Style" =
color=3D#000000 size=3D4=20
FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><BR>Oh, I could think of numerous things to do to this =
!#@%#$!=20
but there are ladies on the list.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT size=3D2>Steve, there is =
at least one=20
lady on the list (me), who laughed delightedly when a co-worker on a =
scaffold=20
expressed a desire to politely drop a brick thru the sunroof of a =
jaguar=20
whose owner was blasting his/her horn for a number of minutes at some =
poor slob=20
who was blocking the street picking up the garbage or =
something..... =20
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D"Goudy =
Old Style"=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SERIF"><FONT size=3D2>and they =
thought brick CHIPS in=20
the areaway were bad.... if they ONLY knew what =
evil lurks=20
in the hearts of ladies ;)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>sign me, the flying nun</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>ps.... remember the car in every driveway, =
chicken in=20
every pot scenario from years ago? well, forget the democratic =
middle=20
placement; I vote for a portopotty on every terrace, =
myself =20
;) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>it's only fair that everyone should get a chance to =
use them,=20
and hell, these folks can't complain.... they, at least, =
could=20
step right out the back door to use the facilities..... we have to =
bring=20
down the rig, clean our boots, thread our way thru a multi-level rabbit =
warren=20
of subcellar tunnels and stairwells, emerge onto the sidewalk, circle =
around the=20
block from one street to another to the next, and enter the=20
democratically-situated potty on the street, all the while expecting to =
be=20
ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the =
facility,=20
one of the insane cabbies or upscale=20
outta-my-way-my-range-rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past =
"nudges"=20
it a little.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>is this a great country or what ?!?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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> >> Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.
>>
>
> Okay, you take the cake. You've got me beat.
Steve,
You have accepted your defeat nobly.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Maybe, but I bet you wouldn't walk away from a girl who pinched your ass.<BR>
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> is this a great country or what ?!?
>
>
Deb,
Consider the alternatives.
Ralph
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">is this a great country or what ?!?</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Deb,<BR>
<BR>
Consider the alternatives.<BR>
<BR>
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> a nest of books
John,
You have such a fine way with words.
Thanks,
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">a nest of books</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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<BR>
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<BR>
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/26/2002 12:27:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that
> during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale
> outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past
> "nudges" it a little.....
Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into
the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a
bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of
irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm
faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get
hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to
irritate their neighbors.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past "nudges" it a little.....</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to irritate their neighbors.<BR>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:46:27 -0400
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From: "M. P. Edison" <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:21:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
> > Styrene is an inherently UV-unstable material which will discolor
and break
> > down mechanically outdoors. It's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Michael,
>
> I was thinking Kemperol with the 50 (??) year warranty. Used not
only on
> parking decks but as a roofing membrane on the top of the Empire
State
> Building, the Pan Am (Met Life) building and on water containment
and dams in
> Washington State. Is this what you are refering to as UV-unstable?
>
> Very much thanks for the definition of elastomeric... previously I
thought it
> was just another snake-oil term.
>
> ][<en
>
>
While I am not particularly familiar with Kemperol, I am sticking with
the "styrene as inherently UV unstable" comment. Actually, my comments
regarding styrene membranes were specifically aimed at a highly hyped
styrenated latex-modified cementitious system marketed by a small but
loud firm in NJ.
As for "straight" styrene, i.e., without cement, just think
fiberglass. Or vinyl siding. They will be there for a long time
because they are thick and UV degradation only attacks a
microscopically thin surface layer, which degrades and erodes away
slowly over time.
As for "elastomeric" being a snake oil term, you are pretty much on
target, because no standardized definition of this term has been
adopted. There are companies calling their house paint elastomeric,
even though it may embrittle at 50 degrees F or lose its flexibility
once the plasticizers have washed out, a couple of years after
application.
Edison Coatings, Inc.
M. P. Edison
President
3 Northwest Drive
Plainville, CT 06062 USA
Phone: (860)747-2220
Fax: (860)747-2280
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> From: John Callan
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 11:13 PM
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> Subject: Preservationeers' First New Construction
>=20
>=20
> Ralph,
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> I thought that a real interesting topic. My first new
> construction was the reconstruction of a 1756 stockade...on=20
> the original site,=20
My first new construction was also a fort: the design and fabrication of
a ca. 1964 camouflaged underground bunker, in the woods down by the
river. Excavation was dirty, tough work. The spoil had to be carefully
distributed about the area, so as not to draw attention. Roof beams were
salvaged from area trees. Hand-picked corrugated metal was found on
several old metal accessory buildings throughout the neighborhood, one
sheet from each. Then the stockpiled soil was placed over the roof.
Indigenous plant material was transplanted. Provisions imported. Careful
design resulted in a failure of rain to fill the place. Selected
entrance point driven into the edge of a bramble escaped detection.
We were able to win the war. Sorties could return from nefarious
missions and vanish at a moment's notice.
Candle consumption was high.
_______________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic be thinking, and the thinker
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919/890-3678=20
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> Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer wanting to irritate
> their neighbors.
Right on, Brother!
Power to the People!
Ralph
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For another angle on the issue we have a real problem with contractors
trashing our bathrooms (this is on jobs that involve total guts, interior
excavation, etc., in short some real messy jobs). We've tried to give them
a bathroom of their own but they didn't maintain them. We have a job going
on now where they are trying to use our bathrooms on the sly but it's pretty
obvious.
Some guys evidently have never had to clean up after themselves and so are
oblivious to the mess they leave behind.
It becomes a tough issue when they take their lunch or coffee break and use
our (on-campus) cafeteria (they are encouraged to do so because we need the
volume, especially during the summer when the students aren't here). They
should have John Q. Public status at that point...
Bruce
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From: Ken Follett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Potty Mining
In a message dated 8/26/2002 12:27:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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all the while expecting to be ejected from said portapotty in the event that
during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or upscale
outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting past
"nudges" it a little.....
Then customers, especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into
the proposal insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a
bathroom. Or a termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of
irritating self-centered phone calls demanding instant service. Next time
I'm faced with a shut-out on the bathroom I'm going to tell the customer to
get hosed. I strongly suspect we are paying the price of this customer
wanting to irritate their neighbors.
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<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>For
another angle on the issue we have a real problem with contractors trashing our
bathrooms (this is on jobs that involve total guts, interior excavation, etc.,
in short some real messy jobs). We've tried to give them a bathroom of
their own but they didn't maintain them. We have a job going on now where
they are trying to use our bathrooms on the sly but it's pretty
obvious.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Some
guys evidently have never had to clean up after themselves and so are oblivious
to the mess they leave behind.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=100234114-27082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>It
becomes a tough issue when they take their lunch or coffee break and use our
(on-campus) cafeteria (they are encouraged to do so because we need the volume,
especially during the summer when the students aren't here). They should
have John Q. Public status at that point...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Potty Mining<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a
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the event that during our use of the facility, one of the insane cabbies or
upscale outta-my-way-my-range rover-can-kick-anybody's-ass drivers jetting
past "nudges" it a little.....</FONT><FONT color=#000000
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especially out-of-town ones, wonder why I put clauses into the proposal
insisting that they supply access for the workforce to a bathroom. Or a
termination clause based on a perceived hi-frequency of irritating self-centered
phone calls demanding instant service. Next time I'm faced with a shut-out on
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I have had success with Island Housewrights of Staten Island. Please see
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I have a question for the construction type PINheads--
Can anyone offer me suggestions for locating a reliable roofer with
experience in historic wood shingle roofs in the central NJ area? Does PTN
have a membership list of contractors specializing in wood shingle roofs?
I'm
working for a week at my old job, and one of my projects is to help find a
contractor to reshingle our roof.
The board already gotten a bid, but I'm very concerned about the quote-- it
seems awfully low, and they've specified tar paper, which is not appropriate
for wood shingle roofs. I was hoping to find someone local-- central NJ
area-- to do the work, but haven't come up with any names.
Any help would be appreciated!!
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Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so
cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really
increase (or even decrease?) the life of the shingle?
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions-- it has been very
helpful!!
Y'all are the best.
The roof here at the Temple House is one of the building's best features--
we've still got the 18th century framing system, complete with collar ties,
pegged and scored with roman numerals. It's the best part of the whole
building (in my opinion) and I want to do the roof justice.
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In a message dated Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:34:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really increase (or even decrease?) the
> life of the shingle?
Da earl pretects da wood frum da sun an water an stuff. It also allows you to have a consistent color. At the fabulous Reeves-Reed Aboretum, we decided on the basis of sample shingles not to have the roof or sidewall shingles stained. When they finally removed all the old ones, we found that a few had been stained before they were installed in 1889. We now have shingled walls and roofs in varying states of discoloration due to fading, water runoff, mold/mildew. At the stained shingle Walter Residence a mile or 2 away, we have nice, uniform-looking gray-stained cedar shingles.
It's also possible that seaside shingles are somehow dicolored more uniformly by salt air, but I somehow doubt it. I bet the bastards stain them.
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> The roof here at the Temple House is one of the building's best features--
> we've still got the 18th century framing system, complete with collar ties,
> pegged and scored with roman numerals. It's the best part
> of the whole
> building (in my opinion) and I want to do the roof justice.
Heidi,
No justice, no peace.
As I remember when I was trying to figure out how to treat the shingles at the Reeves-Reed Arboretum, I asked Bill Brookover (who is or was the NPS Archt for Independence Hall) what to do and his answer was that they had NOT treated their shingles. They may have gotten fancy-shmancy swamp-preserved white cedar shingles or something, as opposed to regular commercially produced red cedar that we got in Summit.
There were reports of deterioration problems between the oils or tannins or some damn thing in the cedar and the runoff from copper flashing, which as I remember was never fully resolved; I don't remember which ate the other, but I have a feeling the combination was bad for the cedar. The Western Red Cedar Shingle & Shake Bureau people in Seattle (or somewhere up there) should have current info on the compatibility issue. We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and their undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Keep us posted.
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The night sky was un earthly;
towering clouds black and red with
massive electrical storms danced cock-eyed in the distance.
Above us only stars and a blood red moon to the East that waned putrid
in sultry southern humidity;
Gods from the West hurled their furious bolts of forked lighting
in sheeted arcs that battled back and forth over the skys of the
Mississippi Delta;.
in bone bleached flashes of light casting dread into the eyes of man and
beast.
I held little Marys hand in silence as we watched the awesome display from
the tranquility of the catfish pond and our old jeep.
Fish nibbled the ponds surface as lunar moths dove into the shimmery
reflections made by the headlamps that drifted dreamily through the
steamy body of water..
.Their suicidal dives a foretaste of dangerous attraction that afflicts us
all.. . .
Old or young ; this was primeval .
It has awakened some distant memory of our origin, tranquility and storm in
tempest.
We cut the lights; and watch the armed struggle illumine the entire
horizon;
it crackles the background of a radio Gospel hour making it whirr; and
sputter into eerie sing song of some long ago time.
The storm was now making its approach to us from hundreds of miles away;
We held tight .
In time pillars of black clouds took the sky above; creeping in high
cascades and stealing stars; setting the crickets silent, while unleashing
hot winds that rustle and gush sudden through live oak and scented
magnolia.
It was time to head for the barn.
The starter motor spun , then caught the engine into a purr. The short block
eased forward in gear upon release of the clutch; and
We took off in steady roll across the pastures as the clouds thickened and
lowered sickly menace.
Usually out here I let Mary drive because there is little trouble she can
get into .
Not tonight; big storm coming ; time to get home and put it to bed.
Just as we entered the screen door there was a crash of lighting that rattled
the dishware ;
I stood mesmerized as Mary scampered within
as the sky opened in a pelting black rain
In seconds there was another crash
only this time it was the bathroom door
Fearing the worst ; I made right for it ;
by the time I got there Mary had dropped her diaper and had positioned
herself well up on the throne ;
Then with the rain drumming our tin roof ; and smiles all around ;Little
Mary; executed her first pee; by herself
to the applause of the dog and her amazed and grateful parents whose .
prayers for this day have been answered.
Hoo- ray there is a God
Michael Davidson
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In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I
> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
their
> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't a
subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I did read
about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that has
been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like a
goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
called in as the "expert."
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In a message dated 08/27/2002 1:35:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Hey, those oil-dipped cedar shingles (on cape-type houses) always look so
> cool. Is that all they do, that is, look cool? Or does the oil really
> increase (or even decrease?) the life of the shingle?
I saw some really cool tar covered shingles at the Vernacular Architecture
Forum conference in Virginia this spring. Apparently was fairly common
practice in 18th century to extend the life of the shingle.
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Heidi,
Other caveats:
Set minimum and maximum width of shingles
Specify stainless steel nails
No nail guns
do not drive nails home
triple starter course
sspecify and detail ridges, comb or boston, open side away from wind
detail ridge and valleys
specify gutter hangers and verify that they are available
Specify sawn/split-sawn/split shingles
Detail and specify weather
Don't freak out when you see daylight through the finished roof.
That's all I can think of right off the top.
Hey Ralph, what do you suppose happens when the nail attaches the shingle to the
lathe with the Cedar Breather between?
At least it should keep out bats and other small mammals.
-jc
Heidi Harendza wrote:
> In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> > We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj Opdyke, I
> > think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
> their
> > undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
>
> Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't a
> subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I did read
> about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that has
> been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
>
> Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
> called in as the "expert."
>
> -Heidi
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Heidi,
<p>Other caveats:
<p>Set minimum and maximum width of shingles
<br>Specify stainless steel nails
<br>No nail guns
<br>do not drive nails home
<br>triple starter course
<br>sspecify and detail ridges, comb or boston, open side away from wind
<br>detail ridge and valleys
<br>specify gutter hangers and verify that they are available
<br>Specify sawn/split-sawn/split shingles
<br>Detail and specify weather
<br>Don't freak out when you see daylight through the finished roof.
<p>That's all I can think of right off the top.
<p><b>Hey Ralph</b>, what do you suppose happens when the nail attaches
the shingle to the lathe with the Cedar Breather between?
<p>At least it should keep out bats and other small mammals.
<p>-jc
<p>Heidi Harendza wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern
Daylight Time,
<br>[log in to unmask] writes:
<p>> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
Opdyke, I
<br>> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe"
and
<br>their
<br>> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
<p>Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
a
<br>subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath.
I did read
<br>about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing contractors that
has
<br>been helping me set up our specifications recommended lead-coated copper.
<p>Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
like a
<br>goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after
being
<br>called in as the "expert."
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> executed her first pee; by herself
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Give my congratulations to Little Miss Mary on her achievement.
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> Tell me now so I don't look like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
> called in as the "expert."
>
Can't think of any. But don't throw yourself off a bridge just because some
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> I saw some really cool tar covered shingles at the Vernacular Architecture
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> practice in 18th century to extend the life of the shingle.
>
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Hello,
I work occasionally with Donald Baerman, AIA, who I believe was the
first person to write an article on the copper/cedar thing. I convinced
him to finally go back to copper (it looks good with wood). I have used
and seen copper with cedar all my life and have not see problems in
deference to what I have read. I called a technical person at Obdyke
and Revere a few years back but can't remember what their response was!
You should call and let us know.
Yale insists on continuing the use of lead coated copper, which
is an environmental hazard as well as a worker issue (which is not
covered by OSHA or EPA). Someone should do a study on lead content of
water run off and blood levels of roofers who handle the stuff all day.
As well, within a few years the lead has worn off at drip points (gee,
where did it go, Dave?) and the copper shows through. I suggest using
copper and increasing the gauge at valleys.
Don't get me wrong, I love lead. It is great to work and can be
very pretty. It is truly the best thing ever added to paint, But if it
is truly a hazard we should not continue using it.
Best,
Leland
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> We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
> Opdyke, I
> think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
their
> undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
a subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I
did read about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing
contractors that has been helping me set up our specifications
recommended lead-coated copper.
Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
like a
goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
called in as the "expert."
-Heidi
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Heidi:
>>Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look like
a
goob--
I would't want you to look too gooby, so I suggest you check out my "Making
Wood Shingles Last" article in the May 1990 issue of
Old-House Journal. It describes how to select out the shingles that are
going to fail first, making the roof last longer.
John Leeke
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An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built in
1893 at 33 West 12th Street:
"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all
modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light,
southerly exposure to sun and air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and
conveniences by any in the city."
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> Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to?
Either dug water wells or dry wells.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
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Either dug water wells or dry wells.<BR>
<BR>
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10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
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Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
shafts? I'm thinking of the holes you see in some larger buildings to let
air and light into the interior rooms.
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An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built in
1893 at 33 West 12th Street:
"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all
modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all
light, southerly exposure to sun and air; no well holes; unsurpassed in
finish and conveniences by any in the city."
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shafts? I'm thinking of the holes you see in some larger buildings to let
air and light into the interior rooms.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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in 1893 at 33 West 12th Street: <BR><BR>"New fire-proof apartment house,
one apartment each floor, elevator and all modern improvements; exposed
plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light, southerly exposure to sun and
air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by any in the
city." <BR><BR>Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to?
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> Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
> shafts?
Yes, although I have never seen that coinage before. But I sent it out to
bullamanka-space with the idea that some plumbing nut might have a different
idea. Indeed, the building has no closed light courts, only wide slots to
the rear.
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<BR>Yes, although I have never seen that coinage before. But I sent it out to bullamanka-space with the idea that some plumbing nut might have a different idea. Indeed, the building has no closed light courts, only wide slots to the rear.
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Chris:
My Means Illustrated Construction Dictionary says a "well, wellhole [note it
is shown as one word] (1) Any enclosed space of considerable height, such as
an air shaft or the space around which a stair winds [stairwells above a
ceertain height now have to be closed in for safety and fire reasons]. (2) A
collection device for ground water. (3) A wall around a tree trunk to hold
back soil. (4) A slot in a machine or device into which a part fits."
None of these seems to be very good as an item, the lack of which, is worth
calling out as a major selling point for a building though the idea of a
well or cistern in the basement might be if it could be seen as a health
hazard (hence it following the "all light, southerly exposure to sun and
air" which I presume is mentioned for its health benefits).
Is this about the time of the TB concerns?
Signed, don't know much about history...
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Could it refer to light wells or do you folks call them areaways or light
shafts?
Yes, although I have never seen that coinage before. But I sent it out to
bullamanka-space with the idea that some plumbing nut might have a different
idea. Indeed, the building has no closed light courts, only wide slots to
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size=2>Chris:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>My
Means Illustrated Construction Dictionary says a "well, wellhole [note it
is shown as one word] (1) Any enclosed space of considerable height, such as an
air shaft or the space around which a stair winds [stairwells above a ceertain
height now have to be closed in for safety and fire reasons]. (2) A collection
device for ground water. (3) A wall around a tree trunk to hold back soil. (4) A
slot in a machine or device into which a part fits."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>None
of these seems to be very good as an item, the lack of which, is worth calling
out as a major selling point for a building though the idea of a well or cistern
in the basement might be if it could be seen as a health hazard (hence it
following the "all light, southerly exposure to sun and air" which I
presume is mentioned for its health benefits). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Is
this about the time of the TB concerns?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=430293218-28082002><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>Signed, don't know much about history...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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coinage before. But I sent it out to bullamanka-space with the idea that
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Leland,
The run off from cedar appears to eat pin holes and bigger in copper
gutters. I was frustrated for a long time by my inability to find an
authoritative text source. All I had to go on was the word of the elders
of our profession...but when Jim Askins is one of them elders, its good
enough for me.
Meanwhile I ran into a fun little contemptory detail. Cedar used on the
sloped underside of a canapy thing. Copper clad columns holding the canopy
up. The copper adjacent to the dedar ceiling, catching the run off, is
shiny and new looking. Lower it has a nice developing patina. Seems to me
that if I wanted to keep copper shiny I'd have to scrub it with something
mildly abrasive every few days. I suggest that the cedar run off is doing
the same thing.
I would not use copper in flashings, valley flashings or gutters on a cedar
roof. I do use it for ridge flashing. In that condition it appears to
prevent the growth of mold on the shingles. I believe I stole that one
from someone in NPS also...probably Askins...or one who was influenced by
him.
I'd like to read Baerman's article, can you tell me where to find it?
Don't be surprised when Revere, RCSSB or other suppliers and manufacturers
don't seem to know anything about incompatibilities. Read the fine print.
Also, note what they are guaranteeing for performance. Lots of wood
shingle roofs are not leaking that are covered...or partially covered with
completely rotted shingles. That's what happens when you make the shingle
a reduntant system. Building materials need to do work. Kind of like us.
-jc
Leland Torrence wrote:
> Hello,
> I work occasionally with Donald Baerman, AIA, who I believe was the
> first person to write an article on the copper/cedar thing. I convinced
> him to finally go back to copper (it looks good with wood). I have used
> and seen copper with cedar all my life and have not see problems in
> deference to what I have read. I called a technical person at Obdyke
> and Revere a few years back but can't remember what their response was!
> You should call and let us know.
> Yale insists on continuing the use of lead coated copper, which
> is an environmental hazard as well as a worker issue (which is not
> covered by OSHA or EPA). Someone should do a study on lead content of
> water run off and blood levels of roofers who handle the stuff all day.
> As well, within a few years the lead has worn off at drip points (gee,
> where did it go, Dave?) and the copper shows through. I suggest using
> copper and increasing the gauge at valleys.
> Don't get me wrong, I love lead. It is great to work and can be
> very pretty. It is truly the best thing ever added to paint, But if it
> is truly a hazard we should not continue using it.
> Best,
> Leland
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> In a message dated 08/27/2002 5:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> > We also used some sort of drainage mat (Cedarbreather, by Benj
> > Opdyke, I
> > think) beneath the roof shingles, so the shingles got to "breathe" and
> their
> > undersides didn't stay wet against tar paper.
>
> Well... as far as I know... we won't be using any tar paper. There isn't
> a subroof or anything... just rafters and shingles and shingle lath. I
> did read about the copper -cedar issue, so one of the roofing
> contractors that has been helping me set up our specifications
> recommended lead-coated copper.
>
> Any other caveats that you can think of? Tell me now so I don't look
> like a
> goob-- I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being
> called in as the "expert."
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> I'll throw myself off a bridge if I screw this one up after being called in
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Chris,
A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that
there was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better
protected against fire.
Mitch
Met History wrote:
> An 1896 advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house,
> built in 1893 at 33 West 12th Street:
>
> "New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator
> and all modern improvements; exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and
> bath, all light, southerly exposure to sun and air; no well holes;
> unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by any in the city."
>
> Any guesses on what "well holes" refer to? Christopher Gray
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Chris,
<br>A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
fire.
<br>Mitch
<p>Met History wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>An 1896
advertisement for the the 10-story Ardea apartment house, built in 1893
at 33 West 12th Street:</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>"New fire-proof apartment
house, one apartment each floor, elevator and all modern improvements;
exposed plumbing; seven large rooms and bath, all light, southerly exposure
to sun and air; no well holes; unsurpassed in finish and conveniences by
any in the city."</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=+0>Any guesses on what "well
holes" refer to? Christopher Gray</font></font></blockquote>
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> A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
> inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
> was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
> fire.
Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to
the top.
The Perfect Flue!
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against fire. </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to the top.
<BR>The Perfect Flue!
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:01:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is
> inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there
> was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against
> fire.
> Mitch Met History wrote:
> >> <snip
"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator
> >> and all modern improvements;
>
Except for the 10 story elevator shaft that would make a nice chimney. I
think the reference is to either water wells or dry wells.
Steve Stokowski
Stone Products Consultants
Building Products Microscopy
10 Clark St., Ste. A
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145
508-881-6364 (ph. & fax)
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A "well" can be the framed opening into which a stair or chimney is inserted. With a 10 story building, could "no open wells" mean that there was not a 10 story open stairwell and therefore be better protected against fire. <BR>
Mitch Met History wrote: <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><snip</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0">"New fire-proof apartment house, one apartment each floor, elevator </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">and all modern improvements; </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Except for the 10 story elevator shaft that would make a nice chimney. I think the reference is to either water wells or dry wells.<BR>
<BR>
Steve Stokowski<BR>
Stone Products Consultants<BR>
Building Products Microscopy<BR>
10 Clark St., Ste. A<BR>
Ashland, Mass. 01721-2145<BR>
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:12:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
> later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way
> to the top.
> The Perfect Flue!
>
> Sign me, Who Remembers Our Discussion of Glacier Glass in 1998?
>
>
>
I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design
without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides withour
a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a damn
about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open stairwells
were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then.
When we inspected the bldg that collapsed in Harlem a ffew years back, it had
a weird-shaped plan which seems to me was rather E-shaped, but which also had
well-holes along the property lines.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to the top. <BR>
The Perfect Flue! <BR>
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I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides withour a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a damn about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open stairwells were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then. <BR>
<BR>
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I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass, one nickeled steel
(both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard plumber says are "ground out".
But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and I have taken
them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo replacements if I can fix
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Try:
- NY Replacement Parts on Lexington and about 93rd St
- George Taylor in Tribeca (I forget the address but maybe Hudson and
Laight)
Also, try taking them apart and figuring out what might be worn and try to
replace those piece(s) at a GOOD supply house
Eric Hammarberg
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I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass, one nickeled
steel (both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard plumber says are "ground out".
But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and I have taken
them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo replacements if I can fix
these). Where would I go for a second opinion? Christopher Gray
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I think Ralph is correct. These bldg plans were probably in accordance with
zoning, as I recall there is the Old Tenement Law, New-Old Tenement Law and
New Tenement Law but can not recall the years they were active.
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In a message dated 8/28/02 4:12:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Dear Yukon Guy: I just visited the building today (really cool, will report
later). Neat idea, but the 10 story stairway is indeed open, all the way to
the top.
The Perfect Flue!
Sign me, Who Remembers Our Discussion of Glacier Glass in 1998?
I think whoever it was was right about the n.w.h referring to a design
without light wells (which is to say, proviiding windows on the aides
withour a dumbbell tenement plan). I can't see sophisticated NYers giving a
damn about well holes as sources of water, and can't imagine that open
stairwells were on anybody's radar screens as a fire danger back then.
When we inspected the bldg that collapsed in Harlem a ffew years back, it
had a weird-shaped plan which seems to me was rather E-shaped, but which
also had well-holes along the property lines.
Ralph
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:01:04 -0400
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Butler McCook House, Hartford Connecticut, August 4, 2002
An SUV drove into the front of the oldest known surviving house in Hartford
striking the right side of the front doorway and head on into the partition
separating the center hall and the southwest parlor. It stopped in the room
with its front right quarter against the chimney stack. In doing so the
later 19th century white marble coal grate surround was damaged. The room
can be seen before the accident in the latest issue of The Magazine
Antiques. I am looking for someone who can either restore the damaged
surround or create a duplicate. This must be first rate work. $ 3.2 was
spent on the restoration of the property so I am told. And the driver of
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:10:14 EDT
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Subject: Re: Roofing question
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> Not likely, Ken...you'd have plenty of company in the water, including
> most of us from B-P....
Dan,
At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself
off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself
off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another
bridge.
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most of us from B-P....</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Dan,<BR>
<BR>
At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:22:40 -0400
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Follett
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:10 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Roofing question
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>=20
> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had=20
> thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She=20
> survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again,=20
> she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.
Hey...we're all experts at what we do. I'm sure we'd all be successful
on the first try.
Gotta admire her persistence, even if she wasn't too good at evaluating
alternative methodologies....
__________________________________________________
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Raleigh Historic I have a brain!"
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Sometimes the seats were integrally part of the casting, and there's no
part to replace.=20
There is an article in the October Old House Journal issue that just
arrived yesterday about maintaining and extending the life of old
faucets...George Taylor Specialties (Chris, Valerie, and John Christou)
is the star with pics and all; they list the contact info (76 Franklin
Street, 10013, 212/226-5369), so you better call them right
now...they're going to be real busy real soon, if they're not all ready.
Dan
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> From: Hammarberg, Eric
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:50 AM
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>=20
> Try:
> - NY Replacement Parts on Lexington and about 93rd St
> - George Taylor in Tribeca (I forget the address but maybe Hudson and
> Laight)
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> Also, try taking them apart and figuring out what might be=20
> worn and try to replace those piece(s) at a GOOD supply house
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:26 PM
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> Subject: worn out faucets
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> I have a pair of beautiful faucet sets, one ancient brass,=20
> one nickeled steel (both c. 1905-1915) that my Vineyard=20
> plumber says are "ground out".
>=20
> But plumbers on the Vineyard are not preservation minded, and=20
> I have taken them with me to New York (I'll toss the cheapo=20
> replacements if I can fix
> these). Where would I go for a second opinion? Christopher Gray
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In a message dated Thu, 29 Aug 2002 8:10:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again,
> she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.
Ya gotta admire her dead-ication to the cause.
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> And the driver of
> the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
>
Bill,
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:11:44 EDT
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> And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did
> .
What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me, Studebaker
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In a message dated 8/29/02 9:08:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what
did you expect
.=20
What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me,
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=20
Dear Stud:
=20
No. That's why the driver had to put the booze into hisself.=20
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:19:32 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:11:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask]
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> At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself
> off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw
> herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off
> another bridge.
>
Hey, that's my story. While I was trying to pass the time and stay awake from
what seemed like a 15 hour drive to Fairmont. I started carrying on a
conversation with one of the maintenance men who works at the court house. He
stated that a local woman jumped off the bridge that IPTW was held on. This
did not do her in so, she jumped off the old steel bridge. Well, this did not
do her in either so, she jumped off the last bridge which in fact did do her
in. As the old saying goes, three strikes and you're out. Speaking of three
strikes and you're out. I hope those greedy bastards go on strike for 5
years. It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of
saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up.
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At IPTW 2002 in WV I was told a story about a woman that had thrown herself off the bridge where our event was held. She survived. She then threw herself off another bridge. Again, she survived. She then threw herself off another bridge.<BR>
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Hey, that's my story. While I was trying to pass the time and stay awake from what seemed like a 15 hour drive to Fairmont. I started carrying on a conversation with one of the maintenance men who works at the court house. He stated that a local woman jumped off the bridge that IPTW was held on. This did not do her in so, she jumped off the old steel bridge. Well, this did not do her in either so, she jumped off the last bridge which in fact did do her in. As the old saying goes, three strikes and you're out. Speaking of three strikes and you're out. I hope those greedy bastards go on strike for 5 years. It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up. <BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:28:39 EDT
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> dead-ication
Smawt ass.
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Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where
you can find them?
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> It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of
> saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up.
>
Steve,
Maybe they were doing both.
Your friend,
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:20:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It's really nice to know someone was listening to my story instead of saying, gee I wish this asshole from Savannah would shut up. <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
Maybe they were doing both.<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:33:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Maybe they were doing both.
>
>
Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying
that?
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
> hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea
> where you can find them?
>
>
Steve,
I would guess it's called a leader anchor, or leader strap, or some such.
They should be available from roofing supply dealers. That's assuming you
want new ones, rather than planning on stealing them from your neighbors.
Traditional Building oughtta have that sort of stuff on their website
somewhere, and I'm sure Roofing Shit has been one of their feature stories
from time to time. If you can't get to them, you oughtta be able to find ads
for Roofing Shit somewhere among the billions of ads for all manner of
useless high-end shit in any recent issue of Old-House Journal.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where you can find them?<BR>
<BR>
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Steve,<BR>
<BR>
I would guess it's called a leader anchor, or leader strap, or some such. They should be available from roofing supply dealers. That's assuming you want new ones, rather than planning on stealing them from your neighbors. <BR>
<BR>
Traditional Building oughtta have that sort of stuff on their website somewhere, and I'm sure Roofing Shit has been one of their feature stories from time to time. If you can't get to them, you oughtta be able to find ads for Roofing Shit somewhere among the billions of ads for all manner of useless high-end shit in any recent issue of Old-House Journal. <BR>
<BR>
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying
> that?
>
Evidently they did say that. How the hell should I know whether they just
said that, or said anything else? Maybe you started nattering again, and
they couldn't get a word in edgewise.
But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your
friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.
Your friend (I just wrote that),
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:35:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey, everyone I asked said they like me. Do you think they were just saying that?<BR>
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Evidently they did say that. How the hell should I know whether they just said that, or said anything else? Maybe you started nattering again, and they couldn't get a word in edgewise.<BR>
<BR>
But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:51:13 -0400
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on 8/29/02 9:07 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:00:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
And the driver of
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.
Bill,
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the
grounds?
Steve
I wish it was that simple but there would just be another to take that
persons place. We just finished working on another property in Hartford
owned by the same organization. We lost $1,200. worth of tools in broad
daylight. All big cities have their problems.
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on 8/29/02 9:07 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR>
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<BR>
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</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">And the driver =
of<BR>
the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did you expect.<BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
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Bill,<BR>
<BR>
I have the rope, you name the place and time. Are there any trees on the gr=
ounds?<BR>
<BR>
Steve <BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:51:54 -0400
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on 8/29/02 9:11 PM, Met History at [log in to unmask] wrote:
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[log in to unmask] writes:
And the driver of the SUV?, drunk, stolen vehicle, no insurance, what did
you expect
.
What about cup holders? Did it have good cupholders? Sign me, Studebaker
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:55:46 -0400
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Just in the last couple of days, I have created a new version of my web
site, The Political Graveyard, http://PoliticalGraveyard.com
When I created the site, more than six years ago, I envisioned an audience
maybe in the dozens: a few political junkies perhaps. Maybe someone
writing up a tour for a historic cemetery, who might not otherwise know
that an obscure grave in the back corner is of a U.S. Senator. So I was
more than a bit surprised at the crowds of people who eventually showed up
on my electronic doorstep: one to two million page views per month.
Anyway, partly motivated by all the flattering attention for my little
project, I have steadily built and expanded it. The new version, opened
this week, lists over 107,000 politicians (compared with about 81,000 in
the last one), and introduces a number of new features:
* Politicians Portrayed on Money -- U.S. or Confederate coins or
currency. It is ironic that Andrew Jackson, lifelong foe of paper
money, has his visage printed on so much of it these days -- but that
practice started less than 20 years after his death. Jackson is one
of only two political figures (George Washington is the other) whose
portraits have appeared both on U.S. and Confederate bills.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/coins-currency.html
* Politicians Who Were (or took part in a) First. Many of these are
politico-demographic milestones (the first woman, the first Catholic,
the first Republican, the first black, the first Chinese-American,
etc.). Quite a few of the rest are accomplishments of politicians in
other fields: the builder of the first flax mill in America, author of
the first book about American law, captain of the first U.S. war
vessel to carry the Stars and Stripes into battle, and so on.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/first.html
* Gay or Lesbian Politicians, with 31 listed: Barney Frank and Tammy
Baldwin and Jim Kolbe and Gerry Studds and more than two dozen others.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/gay-lesbian.html
* There are a bunch of additional organizations for which I have
(incomplete) lists of politician members, including the American
Dental Association and the once-mighty Anti-Saloon League. But the
Freemasons continue to lead the list, with 2,294 politician members.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/am-dental-assoc.html
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/anti-saloon-league.html
http://politicalgraveyard.com/group/masons.html
* The Politicians Named for Other Politicians page is back. George
Washington has the most pols named for him (84), followed distantly by
Benjamin Franklin (46), Thomas Jefferson (35), Andrew Jackson (28),
Henry Clay (20), and 53 others, including such unlikely heroes as
Roscoe Conkling, Franklin Pierce, Chester A. Arthur, and Millard
Fillmore.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/pols-named-for-pols-index.html
* The Political Families list has been expanded. The threshold for
including a family has been reduced from four politician members to
three, and each family now gets a separate page with full information
about all members. Of particular interest are the Adams, Roosevelt,
Taft, and Kennedy families, but there are more than four hundred
others both famous and obscure.
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http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1001.html (Adams)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1196.html (Roosevelt)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1335.html (Taft)
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/1427.html (Kennedy)
* I already had a page for each of the more than 3,000 counties in the
U.S., listing politicians who were born, lived, died, or buried in
that area. For example, here's the page on Schenectady County, N.Y.
http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/NY/SC.html
The heads of those pages now have more links relevant to that
particular county, including the county's official web site if
available. And now for the first time I'm treating Alaska's boroughs
and census areas as counties, giving each its own page, even though
some are conspicuously lacking in politician data.
* Entries for some politicians now feature links to biographies and
histories about them at Amazon.com. Naturally, any actual book sales
that result will generate a small kickback to me. Not enough,
unfortunately, to let me quit my day job and work on the web site full
time.
The popup ads, which were NOT my idea, are supposed to go away by
tomorrow. If they didn't annoy me so much, I'd be temped to say: hey,
even the hoary, dignified New York Times web site has popup ads now. They
do generate about an extra $10/day. But I can't stand them.
I hope people have as much fun browsing The Political Graveyard as I have
putting it together!
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on 8/29/02 9:32 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where
you can find them?
Steve
Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
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at those metal j-shaped things are called that are hammered into masonry to =
hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea where you can find them?<BR>
<BR>
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Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I
need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved
At 4:28 PM -0400 8/23/02, Ken Follett wrote:
In a message dated 8/20/2002 3:11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Ken, are you saying you'd try leaving it "natural"?
Yes. My preference. This has nothing to do with what you may want to do
with your porch slab. If there is no coating it means less maintenance, at
least less coating maintenance, that is, if the concrete is in good
condition to begin with. Lousy concrete is lousy concrete even when it is
covered up. The condition of the concrete, and how one feels about it, that
is the deciding factor. As with any naked masonry you do have to worry, I
suppose, about dropping liquids on it and staining, but that in itself can
be seen as the patina of life. You can also apply a sealer that will soak
in to the concrete to limit staining. I suppose it also has to do with
one's aesthetic... I like seeing signs that people have been using a space,
particularly with a non-urban space, rather than always seeing everything
clean and perfect. Door saddles with a belly in them I find inspiring, they
make me want to follow and step through the door. I would also be inclined
to do a sloppy job of paint removal, if I was removing the paint for myself
and not for a client like some fussy people are with their brick chimneys.
I should also admit, probably to kill the subject, that I like mirrors that
have been left outdoors and the silver backing flaked off, the paint on the
frames mostly gone and the wood gray and weathered. Imperfect reflections.
Goes to wandering around in abandoned farmhouses.
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:40:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Old-House Journal.
So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:10:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:44:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> But take it from me, it's very possible that people who you think are your
> friends can think you're an asshole. Especially in your case.
>
>
I'm LOVED! It's nice to be LOVED.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:38:53 EDT
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 4:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I
> need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved
Ruth,
I'm kind of maybe thinking about going north in the fall for R & R. Yes... if
so, Kathy & I'd LOVE to wander by & visit. I'll let you know how the plans
shape up. Vacation times seems the last thing I get to think about.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 8/30/2002 4:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ken, It's not abandoned but wanna come wander in our old farmhouse? I<BR>
need lots of advice and help. Ruth, yes we're finally moved</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Ruth,<BR>
<BR>
I'm kind of maybe thinking about going north in the fall for R & R. Yes... if so, Kathy & I'd LOVE to wander by & visit. I'll let you know how the plans shape up. Vacation times seems the last thing I get to think about.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:42:16 -0400
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on 8/29/02 9:32 PM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
Does anyone know what those metal j-shaped things are called that are
hammered into masonry to hold down spouts in place? Secondly, any idea
where you can find them?
Steve=20
Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
established roofing contractor. =20
Dang! Pintles is what ran through my head last night, but then I
thought, naw, them things is for mountain climbers....
=20
Then again, there are some days in preservation that I think I'm
climbing mountains, so maybe I wasn't so far off.
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I think this is gonna be one of those days. And it's my birthday to
boot.
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From: Ken Follett <[log in to unmask]>
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 5:42:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> And it's my birthday to boot.
Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!
Happy B-day Becker!
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.
As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel
"fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?
Shaman
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/30/2002 5:42:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000ff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="FIXED" FACE="Courier New" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And it's my birthday to boot.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="FIXED" FACE="Courier New" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!<BR>
Happy B-day Becker!<BR>
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?<BR>
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.<BR>
<BR>
As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel "fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?<BR>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:11:21 -0400
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Fergit the pintles & go for the pints!
Happy B-day Becker!
What in COD are you doing farting around on BP?
Go for a bike ride maybe... or running down a crickbed.
=20
Good advice, but it's also the day all the end of the year reports are
due...remember, I work in government, and my job is to produce paper.
=20
Can't go for a bike ride...the drought is trying to end in a serious way
down here; there ain't no more crickbeds to run in, but you can drown in
one real easily right now...makes me think about your bridge friend.
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But perhaps tonight I'll drown myself with pints. Yeah, that's a good
idea.
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is trying=20
to end in a serious way down here; there ain't no more crickbeds to run =
in, but=20
you can drown in one real easily right now...makes me think about your =
bridge=20
friend.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:17:04 EDT
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 8:10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
>
Yup, it's been remuddled.
There's a most enlightening article on hardware in the new issue: turns out
that until about 1870, there was no decorative architectural hardware to
speak of. Apparently people musta used vines to tie doors shut, or held 'em
open with rocks, until then. There's also a nice ad for Mitsubishi ductless
air conditioners that shows a c. 1895 house (described as "early Victorian")
with air conditioners (described as "from the Dark Ages") in every window.
To be fair, I thought the plumbing article was good, but I'm glad I'm not
Chrif and don't need to try to contact the faucet repair guys anytime soon.
Then again, since he's the proverbial mild-mannered reporter for a great
metropolitan newspaper, maybe they'll give him preferential treatment.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/30/2002 8:10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Yup, it's been remuddled. <BR>
<BR>
There's a most enlightening article on hardware in the new issue: turns out that until about 1870, there was no decorative architectural hardware to speak of. Apparently people musta used vines to tie doors shut, or held 'em open with rocks, until then. There's also a nice ad for Mitsubishi ductless air conditioners that shows a c. 1895 house (described as "early Victorian") with air conditioners (described as "from the Dark Ages") in every window. <BR>
<BR>
To be fair, I thought the plumbing article was good, but I'm glad I'm not Chrif and don't need to try to contact the faucet repair guys anytime soon. Then again, since he's the proverbial mild-mannered reporter for a great metropolitan newspaper, maybe they'll give him preferential treatment.<BR>
<BR>
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> I'm LOVED! It's nice to be LOVED.
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> Steve
Yes, you and Sally Field.
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> As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel
> "fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As to technical... I thought the eyes & (pintle) hooks used to hold steel "fire" shutters on a building were the pintles?<BR>
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I found the "well hole" thread interesting. I agree with the urban
interpretation of light wells and stair wells being the intended
meaning, but our house could be advertised as having an old, covered
"well hole" inside, i.e. water well. Apparently the original house
(1843) had its well only 10 feet behind, which when the rear addition
was constructed (1850), the well was covered and brought inside. Fifty
years later, the next owner built another house next door because he
didn't like the well being inside, thinking it unhealthy, and rented the
house to a women's fraternity. The Alpha Phis supposedly filled in the
well and covered the top, and it has sat this way ever since. So, it's
been one hundred years with the "well hole" covered, which was disclosed
in our purchase of the property. No was too concerned, but there is
structural settlement in this corner of the building. It might be the
old well leaking, or it might be the outside downspouts, also leaking.
Soon we'll investigate...
On another note, is anyone going to be in Toronto for APT? We could
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Topics of the day:
1. worn out faucets (2)
2. "no well holes"
3. Disaster (6)
4. Roofing question (6)
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In a message dated 8/29/2002 9:49:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> All big cities have their problems.
>
Yes, they do. Even smaller cities such as the one I live in. Sooner or later
though something has to happen. This idiot stole an SUV and then decided to
get drunk in the process. Where did he get the alcohol? Did he steal it also?
It doesn't matter. People need to leave other people and their possessions
alone. Now what will happen with this piece of shit is, he will plea bargain
with this sorry ass judicial system and maybe serve a couple of years. In the
process he has destroyed someone's vehicle, and heavily damaged someone's
house. Thank goodness he did not hit someone in the process because they
would in turn be responsible for their medical treatment if they survived.
You cannot sue the bastard. Of course if the police were to have shoot him
before crashing the SUV the tax payers and victims would have to pick that
bill up. So, what can we do as a society to make this piece of shit pay for
his crimes? Oh yeah, we can put him in jail and rehabilitate him, feed him
three times a day, give him a nice air-conditioned cell to live in, a nice
color TV to watch with his fellow partners in crime, a nice library to read
books in, and last but not least, a nice gymnasium to play basketball in.
Unfortunately many people in this country have adopted Bill's same attitude
towards this problem because we have been inundated with crime and in this
wonderful country you're rarely held accountable for your actions. I'm sure
his court appointed lawyer will bring up the fact that he was beaten up in
grade school, his mother spanked him when he was 5 years old, and his father
yelled at him one time. So, this is justification for what he is now doing.
Give me a break. Of course you lost $1200 worth of tools in broad day light.
The criminal has no one to fear. The police are never anywhere to be found.
Most large cities it is illegal for law abiding citizens to own a gun. Only
the criminals posses guns. Heaven forbid if you caught this person(s) in the
act. You better not touch them. Don't even look at them the wrong way because
they have rights. I just heard on Georgia Public Radio that an inmate in a
southeast Georgia county is now getting ready to sue the county because the
jail has become overcrowded. How is that? Whoever he victimized cannot sue
him they just have to help foot the bill to keep this piece of shit locked
up. Whatever happened to, when you violate someone's rights you loose yours?
Now they have more rights then we do. There is something wrong with that.
What will become of this scum who are now preying on little girls? Another
plea bargain? Fortunately that one near Los Angeles we will not have to worry
about him plea bargaining. I guarantee if you castrate them then pour alcohol
on that area they will think twice before preying on another little girl
again. Oh that's right we cannot do that. He has rights but the little girl
has none. She should not have been outside playing. Well, all I can say is
the person who tries to take my vehicle while I'm in it will find his skull
parted with my Smith & Wesson .40 caliber pistol and trust me I would loose
not one-second of sleep there after. Maybe one day we will get fed up with
our wives, daughters, or mothers being raped, our husbands, sons, and fathers
being murdered, our houses being robbed, vehicles being stolen, and friends
shoot in cold blood after they handed their money over. Maybe then we will
begin to hold these people accountable for their actions. MAYBE.
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Yes, they do. Even smaller cities such as the one I live in. Sooner or later though something has to happen. This idiot stole an SUV and then decided to get drunk in the process. Where did he get the alcohol? Did he steal it also? It doesn't matter. People need to leave other people and their possessions alone. Now what will happen with this piece of shit is, he will plea bargain with this sorry ass judicial system and maybe serve a couple of years. In the process he has destroyed someone's vehicle, and heavily damaged someone's house. Thank goodness he did not hit someone in the process because they would in turn be responsible for their medical treatment if they survived. You cannot sue the bastard. Of course if the police were to have shoot him before crashing the SUV the tax payers and victims would have to pick that bill up. So, what can we do as a society to make this piece of shit pay for his crimes? Oh yeah, we can put him in jail and rehabilitate him, feed him three times a day, give him a nice air-conditioned cell to live in, a nice color TV to watch with his fellow partners in crime, a nice library to read books in, and last but not least, a nice gymnasium to play basketball in. Unfortunately many people in this country have adopted Bill's same attitude towards this problem because we have been inundated with crime and in this wonderful country you're rarely held accountable for your actions. I'm sure his court appointed lawyer will bring up the fact that he was beaten up in grade school, his mother spanked him when he was 5 years old, and his father yelled at him one time. So, this is justification for what he is now doing. Give me a break. Of course you lost $1200 worth of tools in broad day light. The criminal has no one to fear. The police are never anywhere to be found. Most large cities it is illegal for law abiding citizens to own a gun. Only the criminals posses guns. Heaven forbid if you caught this person(s) in the act. You better not touch them. Don't even look at them the wrong way because they have rights. I just heard on Georgia Public Radio that an inmate in a southeast Georgia county is now getting ready to sue the county because the jail has become overcrowded. How is that? Whoever he victimized cannot sue him they just have to help foot the bill to keep this piece of shit locked up. Whatever happened to, when you violate someone's rights you loose yours? Now they have more rights then we do. There is something wrong with that. What will become of this scum who are now preying on little girls? Another plea bargain? Fortunately that one near Los Angeles we will not have to worry about him plea bargaining. I guarantee if you castrate them then pour alcohol on that area they will think twice before preying on another little girl again. Oh that's right we cannot do that. He has rights but the little girl has none. She should not have been outside playing. Well, all I can say is the person who tries to take my vehicle while I'm in it will find his skull parted with my Smith & Wesson .40 caliber pistol and trust me I would loose not one-second of sleep there after. Maybe one day we will get fed up with our wives, daughters, or mothers being raped, our husbands, sons, and fathers being murdered, our houses being robbed, vehicles being stolen, and friends shoot in cold blood after they handed their money over. Maybe then we will begin to hold these people accountable for their actions. MAYBE.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:41:42 -0500
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"Here I am 34 years old, and yet my life is almost wholly unexpanded ....
There is such an interval between my ideal and the actual in many instances
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10-Q. In my case, though, the gap is so wide, one may say that I am
unconceived....
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 6:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
> established roofing contractor.
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> So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what.
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, I take it Old House Journal is nothing bit a bunch of...you know what. <B><U>but</B></U><BR>
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 9:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Pintles and gudgeons are also used to hold removable rudders on boats.
>
I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will
come through for me. And then some.
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I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will come through for me. And then some.<BR>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:07:49 EDT
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 9:31:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> On another note, is anyone going to be in Toronto for APT? We could
> have a BP breakfast, or raise the arm in the BP salute...
>
>
Please take pictures. Thank you.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/30/2002 9:31:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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have a BP breakfast, or raise the arm in the BP salute...<BR>
<BR>
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Please take pictures. Thank you.<BR>
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will
> come through for me. And then some.
>
So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit for
free, do ya?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/30/2002 11:07:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I told my client yesterday just give me 12 hours and my Pinhead friends will come through for me. And then some.<BR>
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So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit for free, do ya?<BR>
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:14:14 EDT
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In a message dated 8/30/2002 2:21:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit
> for free, do ya?
>
The check is in the mail. Look for it tomorrow.
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<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So where's our cut? You don't think we Yankees put up with all this shit for free, do ya?<BR>
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:35:04 -0400
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Hey, I resemble that remark. Although a little longer in the tooth and
living in a larger abode with little poetic solicitude.
Have a great Labor Day everyone.
Best,
Leland
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"Here I am 34 years old, and yet my life is almost wholly unexpanded
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<DIV><SPAN class=509123111-31082002><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hey, I resemble
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on 8/30/02 10:59 AM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:
In a message dated 8/30/2002 6:58:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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Known as pintles, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an
established roofing contractor.
Thanks Bill.
You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending
on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal
compatible to the leaders, aluminum, copper, lead coated copper and
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on 8/30/02 10:59 AM, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask] wrote:<BR=
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style">In a message dated =
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tes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Known as pintle=
s, leader pintles. Available from a gutter supply or an established ro=
ofing contractor. <BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><BR>
</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D"Goudy Old Style"><BR>
Thanks Bill.</FONT></FONT> <BR>
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You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending =
on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal com=
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:26:22 -0400
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In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 6:14:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> The check is in the mail. Look for it tomorrow.
Steve,
You sent is special delivery so it would get here on the Sunday of Labor Day weekend? How considerate. I'll take it to the bank first thing Monday morning, but maybe in honor of the event, they'll open Sunday.
Maybe now the rest of our Pinheaded friends will be equally conscientious about paying their dues.
Thanks again. Ya hump.
Ralph
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:27:03 EDT
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In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:10:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending
> on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal
> compatible to the leaders, aluminum, copper, lead coated copper and
> galvanized.
The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are
galvanized with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also
or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry?
I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down
spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:10:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You also need to know that they come in different configurations depending on the shape and size of the leader. They also are made of a metal compatible to the leaders, aluminum, copper, lead coated copper and galvanized. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are galvanized with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry? I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint?<BR>
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:28:37 -0400
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In a message dated Sat, 31 Aug 2002 6:35:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes:
> "Here I am 34 years old, and yet my life is almost wholly unexpanded .... There is such an interval between my ideal and
> the actual in many instances that I may say I am unborn."
If he's unborn, how can he say anything?
Former 34 year old Wants to Know
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> I'm hoping to convenience the homeowner to remove the paint from the down
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 18:10:22 -0400
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This e mail was misplaced because I attempted to include an early photograph
of St. Mary's in a pin heads e mail. Bad Bad! So here is the text. If you
want to see St. Mary's respond and I will e mail it directly to you. The
street scene was a bit large to scan so you will have to find that issue of
Life if your want to see it.
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:25:29 EDT
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From: Ralph Walter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Downspout thing-a-majig
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In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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> The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles
> are galvanized Get rid of the galvanized; it will react with the copper
> with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also Use brass.
> or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry?
> I'm hoping to convenience try convincing instead; there isn't much
> convenient about stripping paint the homeowner to remove the paint from the
> down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint? Don't
> think it matters, but I'd stay away from the lye-based stuff just in case
> it eats the copper. The copper should strip pretty easily, but it may well
> be cheaper to just throw the leaders away than to fool around with
> stripping the damn things, especially by the time you take them down,
> handle them, strip them (probably repeatedly to get all the damn paint off)
> and reinstall; I don't think you want to strip them in place. Are you
> really sure they should be bare patinated copper rather than (presumably)
> painted out to match the house? BTW, the patination is a VERY slow
> process-- the new copper I installed 15 years or so back is finally
> greenish in most areas. God knows how long it would take in your pure
> Southern air, although on the other hand Savannah isn't too far from the
> sea.
Ralph
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 8/31/2002 9:27:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The down spouts are copper with white paint covering them and the pintles are galvanized <B>Get rid of the galvanized; it will react with the copper </B>with paint all over them also. Should the pintles be copper also <B>Use brass. </B>or will this be too soft not allowing you to hammer them into the masonry? I'm hoping to convenience <B>try convincing instead; there isn't much convenient about stripping paint </B>the homeowner to remove the paint from the down spouts. Any suggestions on what to use to remove the paint? <B>Don't think it matters, but I'd stay away from the lye-based stuff just in case it eats the copper. The copper should strip pretty easily, but it may well be cheaper to just throw the leaders away than to fool around with stripping the damn things, especially by the time you take them down, handle them, strip them (probably repeatedly to get all the damn paint off) and reinstall; I don't think you want to strip them in place. Are you really sure they should be bare patinated copper rather than (presumably) painted out to match the house? BTW, the patination is a VERY slow process-- the new copper I installed 15 years or so back is finally greenish in most areas. God knows how long it would take in your pure Southern air, although on the other hand Savannah isn't too far from the sea.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SERIF" FACE="Goudy Old Style" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE></B><BR>
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