To all interested subscribers in this ongoing debate about disbelievers,people of the book, and the polytheist in the Sura Al bayinatu where references are made concerning the above mentioned groups, the Quran as we know it needs a very careful translation of both the text and commentaries, both can be misleading depending on the Individual researching and the source of the text.These groups in question has been talk about several times in different chapters in the Holy Quran but at all times for different reason.In this particular instances this sura was serve as an ultimatum to all non muslims and warning to them of the consequencies they faced in the hereafter but this doesn't go to the extend of attacking their moral behavior in society cause their are good people among them, they do good things for society but that is not what ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY wants from them,THE AHSHADA IS THE MAIN PROBLEM.One should really try and return to the beginning of all things (THE SOURCE) to really understand the problems of RELIGIOUS FAITHS. We have learned in the Hadith,THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (Pbuh) saying to his followers that I am going to send you to ABBYSINNIA, present day Ethopia to a Christian King to apply for Assylum,He is a king that do no wrong to his people, he is a man of great justice, HE knew then morality was not an issue but Submission to ALLAH'S WILL,will always be the biggest pitfall along the way back to ALLAh's Eternal Bliss.The text of the above sura is not my word nor the word of any human being, our duty is to try and recites it or translate it atleast near it is written, this particular verse says "Inna lasinna kafaru min akhlil kitabi wal moushrikinna fe narre jahanam hali deena fe ha awla eka hum sharul bariyati" (meaning to you the disbelievers and the people WE gave books ie christians and jews and the polytheist are all going jahanam,which is the literal meaning but it goes beyond this,why several reason but the principal one is the AHSHADA,where you submit to ALLAH'S Will and Proclaim and comfirm that Muhammad is a Prophet and Messenger of ALLAH(SWT),they refute that which brought us to the precedent shaitan set long ago when he was asked to prostrate for Adam, If we know why he was detrone then we will not be having this conversation on line, but it is the same principles or Judgement that will be befall anyone who has the remoteness of chances without not taking this Oath, even the law of this earth ask for Oath e.g President of the United States, if you are not sworn in , you won't take Office and you think if you don't take with ALLAH (swt) you will take Office, everything you see here is a manifestation of ALLAH'S Kingdom.This subscribtion is in response to all those people whom needed clarification whether the people of the book are referred to in this particular sura especially modou camara whose response to sister jabo contribution. These people choosed not to believe the Prophet (Pbuh)and thus condemned themselves to Jahanam. I am very sorry if this offended anyone I am just trying to help with the text of the Holy Quran, I hope this contribution will help a long way to our enlightenment of the Quran and its commentaries. May ALLAH forgive me for any misleadings this contribution may cause.I am praying to ALLAH the ALMIGHTY to bestowed upon us all Wisdom and Guidance. Rabbana atayna fe dunya hasanatan wa fil ahkira hasanatan wakhina hasabana, subhana rabihesati amayasifun wa salamu alal murrsalin walhamdu lila AMEN. >From: Momodou Camara <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list ><[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Celebrating Holidays of the Disbelievers/Ginny >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:38:25 +0100 > >On 7 Jan 2002, at 23:42, Jabou Joh wrote: > > > When people have forwarded anything that says non-muslims are non >believers, it > > is not something that was coined deliberately to make anyone feel bad. >It is the > > exact words that the Qur'an uses. > >Sister Jabou, >The Quran is referring to some people as "The people of the book" (Jews) >and >"The Christians". Are these people also in the above category? > >I think the quran differentiates "Kafirun" from The People of the book and >the >Christians. The God that Muslims believe is the same God that the Jews and >christians believe in. > > >regards, >Momodou Camara > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> > >To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface >at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html >To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: >[log in to unmask] > ><<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>> To view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface at: http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/gambia-l.html To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to: [log in to unmask] <<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>//\\<<//\\>>