> I wonder though if the cartridge that HP sends with a printer has a smaller > amount of toner than a retail HP cartridge does. Kindof like when you buy a > car, they tend to put cheaper tires on it. I got a Xerox printer 3 1/2 years ago, and it came with a 1/2 filled toner cartridge and was clearly marked as such in the documents in the box. (That basically cheated me out of $40, as I was not expecting that to happen...) My question is about what I discovered next. The toner and the imaging drum are not replaced as one unit. Both "halves" cost a total of something like $150-190. For the same "combination" of toner and drum (in one unit) for an HP4L costs something around $80 total. While I like the printer, a DP8, I hate to think of buying an imaging drum that starts showing wear at only 1500 copies... Complaints under warranty (three years) got me nowhere as this is a consumable high profit item that apparently comes with NO warranty... Is this standard practice (with some companies) to split the parts, and charge what is essentially double? TIA, Rick Glazier The NOSPIN Group provides a monthly newsletter with great tips, information and ideas: NOSPIN-L, The NOSPIN Magazine Visit our web site to signup: http://freepctech.com