OK, I've been reading this list for a few days now.

I certainly agree in theory that the evo. diet and fitness regime appear to make sense as far as what our bodies were designed to do.

However, as a hard-gainer (v.low body fat already) with a high percentage of lean body tissue, how can I expect to make gains on the sort of diet suggested without any complex carbs- wholemeal bread and pasta etc.?

This is especially the case if I take low fat cuts of meat due tot the supposed deleterious effects of xs saturated fat. You NEED a source of energy to fuel the muscles during a workout (aerobic and ANaerobic) and also to assist in muscle protein synthesis post-workout.

This is where the carbs. arer supposed to come in - they can be burned both aerobically and anaerobically during a workout cf fat, and also provide an energy source that refuels glycogen muscle stores and allows muscle synthesis, before heading for adipose tissue, right?

If I drop all complex carbs, I'm worried I'm not going to get enough calories from fat, protein (from my "healthy" animal protein sources) and fruit  / veg to sustain me AND allow increased gains.

Currently I'm following a sort of "half way house", with as much salad / veg. as I can eat, PLUS a small amount of wholegrain bread / pasta / rice to accompany my meat / fish / poultry.This seems to me to be far from ideal, as I'm really not leaning into the one diet philosophy or the other!

BTW, my workouts are fairly intense, with compound exercises. Yet to see whether any significant changes are occuring with this slight change in routine.

ANyones comments would be appreciated.

RUDI

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> 1. EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS Digest - 5 Feb 2001 to 6 Feb 2001 (#2001-8) (2)
> 2. EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS Digest - 5 Feb 2001 to 6 Feb 2001
> (#2001-8)
> 3. aclactic training
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>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:03:55 -0500
>From: Michael Warner Kallus <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS Digest - 5 Feb 2001 to 6 Feb 2001 (#2001-8)
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>I know that I have posted the question before but repetition often succeeds
>where initiative fails and I am quite anxious to hear you opinions:
>
>1. what is a good post workout meal? i have tried plain lean meat, meat and
>fruit, meat and fat, everything but the high carb/ no fat/ medium protien
>that has been criticized by this group recently. They all leave me feeling
>occasionally weel and energetic, and sometimes ddepleated and dead tired. I
>respond to the and try to work out what is optimal for me, but so far the
>riplle effect of the chaos theorum is too difficult to consolidate a
>proximate cause. The theory behind the consumption would help.
>2. Does the recommendation change when condidering an alactive workout
>versus a hierarchitical workout versus a basket pall game or water polo
>match?
>sincerely,
>Michael Warner Kallus
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>Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:49:45 -0600
>From: "Tom T." <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS Digest - 5 Feb 2001 to 6 Feb 2001
> (#2001-8)
>
>I would go for eating lots of greens/salads without much protein, until you
>are full. You could add the lean meat a couple hours later . .
>
>
>I know that I have posted the question before but repetition often succeeds
>where initiative fails and I am quite anxious to hear you opinions:
>
>1. what is a good post workout meal? i have tried plain lean meat, meat and
>fruit, meat and fat, everything but the high carb/ no fat/ medium protien
>that has been criticized by this group recently. They all leave me feeling
>occasionally weel and energetic, and sometimes ddepleated and dead tired. I
>respond to the and try to work out what is optimal for me, but so far the
>riplle effect of the chaos theorum is too difficult to consolidate a
>proximate cause. The theory behind the consumption would help.
>2. Does the recommendation change when condidering an alactive workout
>versus a hierarchitical workout versus a basket pall game or water polo
>match?
>sincerely,
>Michael Warner Kallus
>
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>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 01:03:09 -0800
>From: Wally Day <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: aclactic training
>
> > "I do sets that I call 1/5s or "one, fives" because
> > that describes how to do
> > them. I do one repetition, then put the weight down
> > for 5 seconds. Then do
> > another rep and put the weight down another 5
> > seconds. Then do another set,
> > and so on for a sequence of about 4 to 8
> > repetitions. That's it, then move
> > on to the next exercise.
>
>Sounds like "rest-pause" training (a HIT variation)???
>
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>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:50:29 -0000
>From: "Dan C." <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: EVOLUTIONARY-FITNESS Digest - 5 Feb 2001 to 6 Feb 2001 (#2001-8)
>
>Hi!
>
>Something I would like to understand...
>
>
> >1. what is a good post workout meal? i have tried plain lean meat, meat and
> >fruit, meat and fat, everything but the high carb/ no fat/ medium protien
>
>(Obviously searching for a solution...)
>
> >I
> >respond to the and try to work out what is optimal for me, but so far the
> >riplle effect of the chaos theorum is too difficult to consolidate a
> >proximate cause. The theory behind the consumption would help.
>
>Er...correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you a wee bit too much into
>theory? I do not know the whole situation, but obviously you are not getting
>the results you want. So simplify. Check your "input". Have you noted
>(almost scientifically) how your body responds (results) specifically (i.e.
>short term and mid term) to food changes ?
>
>Also check the intensity of your "output". Sometimes your input is OK but
>the workout is just not taxing enough.
>
>For example, in my case, diet helps to keep my situation under control, but
>I am extremely resistant to fat loss (i.e. no fat loss unless I work out
>hard). I use a military style workout to get results. Nothing else has
>worked except that so far. Just saying this to point out that not every
>theory works for everybody. You just have to find out what works for you.
>Experiment. Combine. You will find it.
>
>So somewhere along the line, you've got to take some distances with too much
>theory. The ultimate theory, and reality, is what works for you. You will be
>with yourself the rest of your life, so it is better to know yourself fully.
>
>Just my 2 cents,
>
>Dan C.
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