> Jean-Claude, is there a name for this variety of 'real grape'? Is is > possible to purchase them in north america? I've had concord grapes, which You can purchase nearly anything when you're in North America :-) Check farmers' markets, and also you can grow grapes relatively easily from seeds (check a seed catalog). Here in North Carolina, we have a wonderful "meaty" grape called "scuppernong" (I don't know if it's a local name or not) that grows uncontrollably once planted. The skin is thick like leather (you have to squeeze the grape to get the sweet inside to "pop" out through the tough skin). The skin is very tart with a slight alum taste, while the inside tastes like honey. And, as Jean-Claude said, even the seeds are good! There are also some called "muscadine" (which I used to think were the same things as scuppernongs, but apparently not) that are similar. My point? I've never *ever* seen these in supermarkets around here, but they are always at the farmers' markets in season, and everyone knows what they are, and many people grow them. So, check local produce sellers first. When you find a grape you like, stick a few in the ground and maybe you'll get lucky!