>what's wrong with enthusiasm? wherever I stand, I'm 100% there--should I >remain dull >and indifferent? perhaps give up the whole enterprise and just watch TV? If you are enthousiast to the present moment that is great , the problem arise when you get enthousiast for the future ( expecting certain outcomes ) or for ideas that might not hold their promises . the result often is a counterreaction of blocking the source of enthousiasm . And you end up sarcastic at the enthousiasm of others judmental and cynical. far from me the intention of blocking your enthousiasm . I just would prefer the paleoidea not ending up under the fire like the vegan one do it just doen't help understanding). IMO they have both valuable things to say., and an underlying common ground . jean-claude