As I was finishing my histo presto degree and a friend of mine was finishing his first year of MArch, he was rather jauntily mocking my career choice. I said, "See, this is how it works: you build the buildings, then we come along in 50 years and fix your mistakes." (while pointing to re-bar spalling the concrete of our incredibly awful classroom building) He was not quick to respond. Thankfully, we were discussing more modern materials when I graduated nearly 3 years ago. For instance, surface finishes seminar students presented papers on curtain walls and plastics among the more traditional paints and such, and issues pertaining to concrete were explored. The year after I left (of course), they started offering a class on metals. It's good to know that some of our educators recognize this increasingly important issue in the field. - Johnette So look out those of you > who are just graduating now ... by the time you are ending your career, you > will be dealing with the 80s and 90s behemoths ... and struggling with the > complexity and difficulties which will present! > > Enough of this stream of consciousness. > > Cheers > > david