Hello Lisa. To answer some of your questions. Yes I am aware of the Taliban
regime and I do condemn its appalling treatement of women and children. It
is Muslim fundamentalism gone mad. However there are millions of Afgans who
do not support  and are
not part of this regime. These are the people, the innocents who do not
deserve to die.
 Many people I have spoken to here say
that there are not happy with the fact that the American  planes have
refuelled here.
Ireland remained neutral for the past two world wars and many of us  want it
to remain like this.

Let us also not forget that England lived with the fear of terrorist attack
from Ireland(IRA)for many years and when London and Manchester were bombed
the English did not seek out revenge by bombing us.

Yes  I would hate to live  there as a Muslim woman as  I value my rights and
freedom but I am not afraid of the rantings and threats of Bin Ladden. If
his wish is to rid the world of non Muslims it is a wish that has no basis
in reality.

I do not believe that Afganistan is developing along quite nicely. I oppose
the repression and the massacres of the Taliban government. I think the
country is in a mess and it is hard to know what to do. I just would hate to
hear if  thousands of innocent people were bombed in the pursuit of Bin
Ladden. The damnable thing about terrorists is that they are hard to find
and I dont think bombing people is the way to go about it.

Don't forget that Afganisatan already had western intervention when arms
were given to them(by America)  in their fight against Russia. Look at what
happened afterwards.
There are no victors in war. Only death and destruction and broken spirits.
I wish you and people everywhere peace.
Yours,
Martha
















----- Original Message -----
From: "Liza May" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Love Conquers All


> Martha:
> > Lisa you say that you want "them to pay  a high price" Who are the
> people
> > you are referring to?
>
> Liza:
> State and Defense Department officials seem to be convinced of this, and
> it seems leaders in and around Afghanistan do too. But it doesn't really
> matter if he did or did not. Bin Laden, his top cohorts, and other
> radical fundamentalist muslims have stated openly that even if they did
> not do this, they would have if they could, and they are happy that it
> was done. And  they have assured us that there will be more. Of course
> they are not foolish enough to say "yes, we are responsible."  But it is
> clear that they funded, or organized, or will organize, or are in other
> ways complicitors, in a long-range plan of terror, that they are part of
> a vast web of people who hate me, you, and as Bin Laden said yesterday,
> every  Christian and Jew on earth. Or, more accurately, every human who
> is not a fundamentalist radical muslim. And that they want to wipe us
> off the face of the earth.
>
> That is a problem
>
> Martha:
> > I don't belive it is any one country that the
> > terrorists operate from.
> > They are everywhere
>
>
> Liza:
> Yes I agree, they are. Many are here in the United States, where they
> have the freedom to operate.
>
>
> Martha:
> > and to bomb Afganistan is not
> > only inhumane but a silly move by the Bush administrators.
>
>
> Liza:
> The "Bush Administrators" are us, we elected him as our representative.
>
> Bin Laden is being sheltered and protected by the Taliban. Bin Laden is
> a human missile aimed at the United States. Several human missiles have
> already been fired at us, killing 7,000 of our people.
>
> Martha:
> > It seems the
> > Irish people have no choice but to let American war planes refuel
> here,
> > thereby implicating our people in a situation not of our choice.
>
> Liza:
> You do not want to protect Ireland from Islamic terrorist attacks? Why,
> Martha? Why would you leave your people open to violent attacks? Why
> would you knowingly allow people you love to be killed by terrorists?
> This does not make sense to me.
>
> Martha:
> > There is
> > really no need for all  the pagentry of the war planes.
>
> Liza:
> It is certainly more than pagentry. I don't think you understand the
> language of the man's world, or the language of war. War is at least as
> much about psychology as it is about tactical maneuvers.
>
> Martha:
> > A lot of developing countries go through struggle and strife on their
> way to
> > democracy but they need to be able to develop at their own pace.
> Western
> > intervention is not the solution.
>
> Liza:
> ????!!!
> Afghanistan is NOT a "developing" country! Or if it is, it is developing
> into something unimaginably monstrous. I don't think you know much about
> Afghanistan. The current regime, the Taliban, murdered, raped, and
> tyrannized 50,000 of their own people on their way to power just five
> years ago. 50,000 muslims were slaughtered, with mass rapes. And the
> Pakistani neighbors are even more afraid of those the Taliban defeated
> than the Taliban itself - they are afraid that if the Taliban collapses
> they will be massacred by the monsters who take their place. This is not
>
>
> Let me ask you a question. I hope you will try to answer thoughtfully
> and honestly.
>
> Would you like to live in Afghanistan? Under the conditions I've
> described above, which have existed now for many centuries? And don't
> forget that as a woman, you would have to keep yourself completely
> covered, except for your eyes. And not speak much. And you would only be
> permitted to read the Koran, no other books. And you might very well
> starve to death or die of disease without doctors or hospitals. And you
> would either be a devout radical fundamentalist Muslim, or be killed.
> And you most certainly would be raped, many times. Can you tell me that
> you would like to live there Martha?
>
> Love Liza
>