I too am interested to hear of others' thoughts on sources of raw meat.  In
particular, I'm curious about what people here think about raw meat that has
been frozen.  Is it still substantially more healthful than cooked meat?  I
ask because I'd like to get meat that is both organic and grass-fed, but the
only sources I've found for such meat are far from me, so I would have to
buy it frozen.  On the other hand, I can get organic meat at my local health
food store, but it's grain-fed.  So I'm looking at fresh, organic, and
grain-fed vs. frozen, organic, and grass-fed (which is also less expensive).
Any comments?  Suggestions?

Carol


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raw Food Diet Support List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Anwar J Goins
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 11:40 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Meat eating
>
>
> Thanks. I think the real price comes with eating lots of cooked meat. We
> haven't really found out what the real deal is with eating raw meat.
> About that sashimi, I don't know, but thanks for the imput. I buy my own
> meat and eat it. This could have a problem of quality or anything else. I
> eat raw fish sometimes already filleted  and other times I cut it up
> myself so  I get to eat the eyes and other parts. Your "once the body is
> cleansed of years of cooked food debris" seems to me alittle strange. How
> do you know this? I think that there CAN be a price to be paid with
> eating alot of meat, alot of fruit or alot of veggies for some people.
> But I think most of us are capable and would benefit from eating alot of
> meat, alot of veggies and alot of fruit(in season preferably). In truth I
> think the
> almost complete absence of any of these food groups may cause problems.
> At the same time I feel that eating alot of any of
> these food groups is fine as long as they are raw. But meat is definitely
> apart of our history and I believe to be safe as long as organic and that
> the next level is to consume more if not all of it raw. Even that theory
> that we are frugivore naturally has some competition because our
> digestive systmes I 've read are actually pretty close to dogs.( I don't
> want to talk about evolution because I'm not so sure that I believe in
> this any more). Moreover, as we may see with some Eskimos and some other
> peoples who live on animal foods(including meat) for a long period of
> time that this is not detrimental but living completely on ONE type of
> food i think will cause some sort of deficiency and cause some people
> problems. Though I think that a person living on ALL organic animal
> foods(including animal see foods) and a person living on all organic plant
> foods(including sea foods) will both live about the same life span and
> healthy lives. In both raw comparison for both and a cooked comparison
> for both. It is the combination and the isolation to raw that I think will
> better the quality of life one more notch and maybe even the life span.
>
> But please more on the pesticide/antibiotics topic and supermarket meat.
> Your story about having problems with sashimi is a very isolated case and
> if I had that problem with brocoli would be the case then? Moreover I'd
> like to hear more about people who buy their own meat or fish or fish
> their own fish rather than restaurant cases, because you don't know what
> they do to your food back their in the kitchen.
>
> Godbless,
> Anwar
>
> Gary Orlando wrote:
> >
> > (It's gamut....)
> >
> > I'll just say that my experience has been that meat even in small
> > quantities, after the
> > body has been cleansed of the years of cooked food debris, causes muscle
> > pain and tension,
> > among other things.  But this is sashimi from a restaurant, and
> may not be
> > considered truly fresh.
> >
> > So, maybe some people can do a lot of meat, and others not?
> > Hard to believe there's such variation in dietary needs.
> >
> > Certainly making the generalization, "humans" can eat a lot of
> meat doesn't
> > seem to be valid to me.
> >
> > I suppose we can acclimate to anything, which may explain the variation,
> > but I believe there's
> > a price to be paid with eating what you call a lot of meat.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anwar J Goins <[log in to unmask]>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
> on 09/26/2001
> > 01:57:16 PM
> >
> > Please respond to Raw Food Diet Support List
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> > Sent by:  Raw Food Diet Support List <[log in to unmask]>
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> > cc:
> > Subject:  Meat eating
> >
> >
> > Has anyone read Vonderplanitz's book? His and another I researched and
> > found to be quite old and unique(in all meanings) talk about eating raw
> > meat. I wanna get some opinions on eating meat from the supermarket. I
> > believe meat is very good nutrition and that humans are fully capable of
> > using and utilizing it on a daily basis and in high
> > quantities(preferably if raw) so we are not talking about this.
> > Rather, I want to discuss supermarket meat quality. I would
> prefer to buy
> > organic but I just don't have the resources for that and would like to
> > include meat in my diet more often than buying organic will allow.
> > Therefore I'd like to hear the whole gamot(if I spelled this right) on
> > what people on this list think of pesticides and antibiotics in animals.
> > i don't buy organic produce(most of the time) either (I'm a college
> > student,
> > for God's sake!)
> > and though I believe in organic(and mixed organic farms) and that it is
> > better and makes for
> > better food and more responsible farming practices which sustain land
> > resources and improve it I just don't have the resources to buy organic.
> > So all you folks that have good info on raw supermarket quality meats,
> > beef, lamb, turkey, chicken AND farm raised fish, throw it at
> me. Thanks.
> >
> > Godbless,
> > Anwar
> >