Thanks for the post, Mike!

>Proteins can be dangerous for health if not properly digested. Proper
>digestion is only guaranteed by eating raw proteins in their original state
>with instinctive guidelines.

>The closer proteins are to our own genetic makeup the higher the risk of
>miss digested proteins or amino acid chains to fool the immune system
>opening the door for health problems including cancer.

>Overeating raw meat might even be more dangerous than eating moderate
>cooked meat because molecules are bigger (breaking down of proteins during
>cooking) and hence may be even similar to our own protein. (Comment: not
>considering the maillards)

Yet hunter-gatherers eat far more meat (and of good wild quality, and often
cooked) than the "perfect instincto" following Burger's be-hard-on-meat
guidelines, yet they are reportedly quite free of cancer. Does this mean
that higher amounts of animal foods (cooked) are useful to our species? Or
that "Proteins can be dangerous for health if not properly digested" might
be more of a problem with RAF than cooked--after all cooked proteins are
not very close to our "genetic makeup".

>Example 1: One young instincto bought half a pig from an organic farmer (no
>instincto quality) and ate the meat within half a year or so. He got
>hardened nibbles probably due to an overload of protein.

Melisa and I ate nearly all of a raw-raised pig raw in 10 days several
years ago. No nibbles. ;) Seriously, I heard of this case too...and that
the growths went away after he laid off the pork.

>The article has a list of about 20 symptoms for protein over load including
>loss of no luscious phase eating protein, wild game smelling like beast of
>prey , stiffness, fast growing finger nails, more body hair, callosity,
>weight loss, ...... tumors, bleedings.

Hmmm. I wonder how much of this could be due to eating the extremely low
fat muscle meat of wild/ORKOS animals. Steffanson, the Arctic explorer guy,
was big on the dangers of too-lean meat eating, saying that one suffers
from "rabbit sickness" when the ratio of protein/fat gets to high.

>>From my own experience: I could see some of the light symptoms (fast
>growing fingernails, callus) develop if I ate huge amounts of one protein
>neglecting others (e.g. only nuts or only RAF). Varying the protein
>frequently never showed any symptoms even if I ate large amounts of protein
>at a time.

My fingernails always grew "normally" fast whether I was eating 90+% fruit
or 90+% cooked meat.

>I have to remark, if I eat lots of protein in most cases I also eat lots of
>fruit/dates or figs with great delight the next meal. The only symptom is a
>very strong fatigue after the meal (sometimes after protein, sometimes
>after fruit/sugar, sometimes after both meals, but usually after 2 hours I
>felt very fresh). This seems very clearly detox.

Or an insulin response.

>I increased my flexibility after going higher in meat. My muscles feel
>firmer and I tend to put on weight but lose fat when eating meat after
>going a while without it.
>I had an infection in the mouth (looked like tooth ache from outside) when
>I ate lots of RAF (mainly eggs and some meat, seafodd did not show this
>effect) without proper balancing with veggis, nuts and fruits. Just fasting
>was not as effective to get rid of the infection as eating veggis or avos
>or fruit. Also cassia helped a lot. Again it seems to be detox that became
>to strong.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

>Kirt,
>An overload develops over time. Obviously you don't have any problems with
>weight loss. I don't know how often you need to cut your finger nails.

Fingernails, I can deal with (once every ten days? I never paid much
attention). BTW, our one-month-old daughter has fast-growing fingernails
and hair, but she's putting on weight, so I think we are OK ;)

>According to Burger if one reaches protein balance cutting is not necessary
>because nails grow only as fast as necessary. It takes about 5 years
>instincto practice to reach protein balance (Burger in the article
>mentioned above).

Why are Burger's ideas of balance so hard for me to swallow? ;)

>So far what I know about RAF and tumors: I guess Bruno knows much more
>about this topic than I do. He might have some first hand information on it
>and not only examples he read somewhere. Maybe he can even correct me on
>some example given above.
>
>Any other experience with high RAF intake especially meat and "symptoms"?

Only, that like you (and others on this list) I found I couldn't eat RAF
regularily w/o it getting unattractive. And now eating cooked animal foods
I find no untoward symptoms--but as you say, these things may take time. ;)
The decrepency between how much RAF I could eat and the amount of animal
foods hunter-gatherers consume still puzzles me...

Thanks again for you very informative post, Mike!

Cheers,
Kirt