At 11:44 AM 1/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Axel,
>
>I had said:
>> >And then there's just that lovely habit of GLUTTONY.
>
>You asked:
>> without a smiley? do you mean it?
>
>No!! I do not mean it! I apologize - I keep forgetting to be
>thoughtful of the non-English speakers on the list. :(

>No, no, I don't like gluttony either - my comment was just a lame
>attempt to make a
>joke about the widespread habit of gluttony.

it DID look like a joke, but i was not sure, plus there was no
smiling,
plus i might not be super updated on the latest nutrition tendences
(overeating actually INCREASES lifespan, all those rats experiments
were
wrong and flawed and paid by raw vegan/calorie restriction zealots,
you
know -:)

>> i personally dislike gluttony VERY MUCH.
>
>I agree. It doesn't feel good at the time, or afterwards.
>
>I had said:
>> Lots of
>> >cultures encourage it, especially the ones where poverty and
>> >starvation is part of the heritage.
>
>You replied:
>> it is very bad in my opinion that poverty exists, but gluttony don't
>> you think is a no-no health-wise? sure it is a survival mechanism and
>> all that, plenty of calories now maybe who knows when are we going to
>> eat next, we survive and maybe our children will live, etc, but still,
>> isn't it VERY unhealthy for several reasons, both long term and short
>> term?
>
>Yes, I agree with you 100%. What I meant was that the unhealthy
>habit of overeating is often found in cultures where poverty and
>starvation were part of the recent (or even not-so-recent) past, and
>the reaction to those hardships still shows up in this generation, even
>when there is no longer any threat of starving to death.
>
>I've seen this unhealthy habit almost treasured, and cherished, and
>held as a very dear and familiar family "tradition" - where it's the
>mother's job is to encourage the children and husband and all guests
>who sit at her table to eat and eat and eat and eat - way beyond
>anything that has to do with hunger or appetite. This is considered
>to be the way the family shows caring. I've seen this in Chinese
>families, Italian, African American, Jewish, Polish, and probably
>others I'm not thinking of at the moment. (not to say that all these
>groups ALWAYS have this tradition, or that other groups do not. I'm
>just thinking of my own clients over the years).
>
>Anyway, that's what I meant when I said that some cultures
>"encourage" gluttony. When I work with people from families like
>these, there's a lot of emotional connection, feelings of family
>loyalty and tradition to the old ways, etc, that the person needs to
>handle, when they decide to change to healthier eating habits.
>
>> could i ask you specifically what do you work at? (just curious -;)
>
>I'm a clinical nutritionist in private practice for about 20 years.

more curiosity if you don't mind: do you help people on an individual
basis, like, they go to you, and you tell them to eat such and such?
if
so, do you have general guidelines regarding food for your patients,
and
what are those? sometimes i just can=B4t believe there are actually
health profesionals who are into raw foods, organic foods, raf, etc,
and
they are even hooked up to the web! it is so good!

regards,

axel