Don't anybody blame me for waking up the sleeping bodhster.  How was
I supposed to know the kid would go nuclear with a little
encouragement?

>From:	ombodhi thoren st john <[log in to unmask]>
>>Roy Walford reported on yogis he found in the sticks in India who had a
> 94-950F mean internal temperature, eating a minimal diet and living
> in lethargy.

I forgot to mention that Walford said these guys were living mostly
on fruit.


>aloha!
>	doug,
>		please don't refrain from posting at length on the health

>practices & urgings of the taoists.  can't get enough of
> that.  i especially like _the tao of health, sex, & longevity_ by
> daniel reid.

There is some good stuff in there, & I thank James Ward for turning
me on to that book.  But it is like anything else, & there is lots
in there I can't go along with.

Here is a sort of question I have been meaning to ask this list for
a while:

The following quotes are from M. Volin, 'Challenging the Years,'
a book about yogic techniques of life-extension:
"In the ashram which specialized in rejuvenation, food was rationed.
In the beginning it was extremely difficult to be satisfied with the
amount of food served.  The master told us again & again that we
could be satisfied.  He wouldn't give us any more food but
encouraged us to take longer to eat the food we had been served. . .
. Those who followed him soon learned to be completely satisfied on
very small amounts of food.  His eating habits involved a periodic
modified fast during which he slowly & deliberately chewed half a
dozen walnuts & a handful of raisins each midday.  He considered
that sufficient fuel from one day to the next, at least on a
periodic basis.  On several occasions I experimented with his diet
and found him right."

Volin further writes, "At the beginning of the book I told the story
of a master who was able to grow a new body.  During almost 50 years
of my pursuit of esoteric knowledge, I came across only 3 cases in
which yogis attempted the growing of a new body. The one I described
was a success.  The other 2 attempts ended in death.  To grow a new
body first requires the arduous & extremely dangerous task of
reducing the old body almost to skin & bones & then regrowing it,
atom by atom, through breath controls as well as special diets,
exercises, & meditations."

Don't try this at home, kids.

If anybody can add anything about these yoga techniques, I would be
most interested.  I've always been of the opinion that humans can
probably get by on 5-600 calories/ with a raw diet, minimal exertion
& tropical climate.  Bob Avery's recent post about the Japanese
researcher who did fine on 6-700 calories/day raw sort of confirms
some of this.  Does anybody know about fasting past the point of
hunger return?

> remember reading roy walford back in high school.  fasting
> 1 day a week from reading paul bragg, i considered jacking that up to
> two days a week after reading _maximum lifespan_.

I really admire the way Bragg went about it: 2 meals daily, one day
a week fasting (so he only ate a dozen meals a week, but he ate too
much & too much of what he ate was cooked), & 4 long fasts at each
of the 4 seasons.  I'd like to get my discipline together enough to
do that too.

 >now i like the idea of fasting by
>the mon.  three days of lemon water at new and/or full moon.
>  i didn't read this in any book, it just feels right to me.

This is just plain brilliant.  I'm really going to have to think
about this.  Even though I'm a male (i.e. not subject to a 28-day
menstrual cycle), the lunar cycle seems to have a strong grip on me,
& I know that my libido certainly peaks around full moon.  Can you
tell us anything more about fasting at new vs. full (please hurry to
reply before the full moon)?

> i've even thought about getting a job (gasp!)

Say it ain't so bodhi.

> _reality is what you can get away with_,

Kids!  Bodhi, reality is just for those who can't handle dope, get
it straight.

>doug, i don't know about "protein is just plain bad news",
> although i do tend towards eating minimal protein.  when
> people ask me where i "get"
>my protein, i like to first ask them in an identical tone how
> they "get rid of" protein, as i try to avoid protein at all costs.

Brilliant again.  The kid has knocked it out of the park.

>(you know, the highest protein needs probably occur at
> fastest growth.

And also probably declines with age once maturity is reached &
metabolism begins its inexorable decline.

>i will post some non-legal excerpts from a new
> book i picked up in palo alto recently, _Health for Life: Secrets of
> Tibetan Ayurveda_ by robert sachs,

Good, sounds interesting.

>recently my karma quotient may have slipped.

Kinda.

> he labeled every idea i presented as "utopian, reactionary... totally
> reactionary utopianism."  me, a raw fascist?

Somebody had to be the one to make you face up to your reality.


>i met this gorgeous blonde up on campus today, and she grew
> up in hawaii.  her parents flew from oahu today to come see her,
> but her sister stayed in the warm paradise.  heck, i may just go
>bum around hawaii,

Definitely go with the blonde.  Bohdi, what do you call a blonde
with half a brain?  Gifted.

--Doug Schwartz
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