Peter:
> the less animal foods people
> have in their diets, the less concern they have & and the less
> responsibility they take for the quality of community & interaction.
> Fact is that I have no recollection of any vegan sympathizer ever
> coming out and expressing support for the guiding principles for this
> list. Go figure.

Bob:
>Peter, you've been close to vegan for years.  To what do you attribute
>your resistance to the destructive zealotry that infests your peers?

Possibly because when I was young I was extremely naive and to survive
was forced to build a well-developed bull-shit detector...
Luckily, there are many on raw-food and a few in the M2M who are able
to maintain an open and critical mind on these issues. But I think many
who get into raw foods are very insecure and traumatized people looking
for simple solutions to what often are complex problems. Many vegan,
raw food & natural hygiene schools of thought deliver just this but the
price is often a displacement of feeling or dislocation of function
with the consequence as Ellie puts it, the wrong kind of neurons being
detoxed. A good example of this is on the issue of killing animals for
food where the perceived suffering and cruelty of the animals resonates
with the abuse that once took place. This explains why it is so
difficult to discuss these matters because the vegan will in
identifying with the perceived pain of the animals be operating from a
lower part of the brain - the limbic system - which is the level of
consciousness at which the original abuse took place. In more times
than not it becomes an exercise in futility to try to establish
communication as this terribly hurt, inner child has no concept of
reason, only this inner wound that too painful to be faced in all its
cruelty cannot be healed - the consequence being that the person
arguing for eating meat becomes the demonized symbol of the original
abuser. This behavior not only acts as an outlet for the pain but also
functions as a way of avoiding the memory of what truly happened back
when.

Anyway, this would be an explanation out of the classical, primal
paradigm and makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Best, Peter
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