> -----Original Message-----
> Date:    Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:22:09 -0800
> From:    Chilangisha B Changwe <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Not enough memory
>
> This is quite an intriguing problem. 2 computers with similar resources
> runs without fuss at all. I dont know if an application like excel takes
> up much more memory than Internet explorer which runs without problems
> on the PC in question. Could it be just an Office problem?
>
> Chilangisha Changwe
>
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:46:11 -0800, "Russ Poffenberger"
> <[log in to unmask]> said:
> > It is important to keep in mind that there is a point at which
> increasing
> > the virtual memory is of no help, even putting performance
> aside. The OS
> > needs to keep some minimum amount of a program in physical RAM
> > regardless.
> > At some point, with only 64M of RAM, even if you have say 512M
> of virtual
> > memory, the system will be "out of memory".
> >
> > At 10:27 AM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
> > >   The way to set it to a "fixed size" is to make the minimum
> and maximum the
> > >same!  With 64 MBG of RAM, setting virtual memory at "twice
> RAM", as Don
> > >recommends would be 128 MB, not 10 or 80.
> > >
> > >   However, a rule like "twice RAM" is based on the assumption
> that your
> > >amount of installed RAM is already adequate.  64MB may be on
> the low side.
> > >If you allow 192 MB or even 256 MB for swap, you may get rid
> of the error
> > >message but still be unhappy with the system's performance --
> it may spend
> > >so much time swapping stuff between virtual memory and RAM that actual
> > >execution is noticably impacted.
> > >
> > >   Are there things you can "clean up" on the drive?  I've
> seen some well-
> > >used Win98 systems where the "temp" folder took up more than
> half the drive,
> > >and much of that stuff was several years old....
> > >
> > >David Gillett
> > >
> > >
> > >On 1 Feb 2006 at 3:03, Chilangisha B Changwe wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did change the settings as you suggested but things dont seem to
> > > > change. I also reconfigured the start up files but I dont seem to be
> > > > getting anywhere. I set the minimum virtual memory to 10MB
> and the upper
> > > > to 80 MB. The PC has 64MB of RAM and 600MB free hard disk
> space runjning
> > > > win98. I have reformatted the disk before in a desperate
> bid to redeem
> > > > the PC.
> >
> > Russ Poffenberger
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
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>   Chilangisha B Changwe
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	I wasn't sure if I could 'clip' the post and still keep the intent clear,
so I apologize for the size, but several ideas come to mind regarding the
problem Chilangisha has with the PC running out of memory.
	I know that setting the swap file minimum and maximum sizes to the same
amount (which varies on physical RAM installed) can improve performance by
taking away the processing cycles needed by Windows to recalculate the size
it needs for the pagefile (if it's set to manage it on it's own), but that
won't help the physical limitation of only 64Mb of RAM installed. After
Windows loads what it needs into memory, it goes to the pagefile to load the
rest, leaving a percentage free for additional programs. What might help in
this case, because Office is a memory hungry application, is a minimum of
background applications loaded along with the OS. Correct me if I'm wrong,
but if the PC is started up with a minimum of drivers and secondary software
loaded into memory, and the problem still exists, then wouldn't an
additional stick of memory help? I don't know if there is a budgetary or
hardware constraint involved in this. I have found on an older Win98SE
machine I have that a 'clean boot', or one that uses minimum drivers helped
in gaming performance, and it might help in this case because it frees up
additional system resources. Here is a link,
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;331796.
	Hope this helps.


Chris Ryan
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