Jimi,
Just a thought, have you tried another monitor? Since you've changed
parts out, I assume you've had to re-connect the monitor which would
probably rule out the cable connection.
-Phil-
On 3/2/09, jimi moore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Great ideas once again Dean. I have tried a couple of them already. The HD
> and Graphics card are still fine. New PS checks out also. I may have
> mis-wrote in my first post. The computer never GETS to post. I get nothing
> but a black screen. The cpu and case fans run. No error beeps. I have left
> the power on for up to ten minutes. No smoke or smell, I touched the ics
> chips and they were cool. I just have two 2048 matching ram sticks and have
> interchanged them a few times. I haven't pulled the cpu yet so I may try
> that. I have replaced cpu's before and I think I got the paste on right but
> who knows. It just acts like the mb is dead.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jimi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Kukral" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] New Build
>
>
>> This is bad news because the only parts that you are re-using are, as I
>> understand it, the case and power supply (now replaced),
>> HDD, and graphics card.
>>
>> The HDD and Graphics card checked out okay on another computer, and the
>> power supply was replaced. HMM.
>>
>> I would go back and re-test the HDD and graphics card on another computer
>> just in case the failing (?) power supply smoked them.
>> Not likely unless the graphics card has it's own power connector. But I
>> would try it. Also, you are actually able to SEE stuff on
>> the screen, because you know that you are seeing the POST, so that the
>> graphics card is okay.
>>
>> Now, after a good scream and, perhaps, a cry, I would do a few more
>> things, one at a time. I don't know how experienced you are, so
>> I'll just give you the spiel.
>>
>> First, I would re-install the cpu and cpu cooler, making sure that the
>> heat-goo (artic silver or whatever) has been properly
>> distributed. I have done this many times, but the last time I did it (I
>> replaced a crummy ASUS motherboard with an EVGA) the
>> computer shut down very fast, but after the POST. Looking at the cpu, I
>> discovered that somehow part of the cpu did not have the
>> artic silver on it thick enough. After cleaning it off and replacing it,
>> the computer worked much better. It had been shutting
>> down automatically when the cpu got overheated. It is conceivable that
>> your cpu is overheating very rapidly for some reason. Boy,
>> I hope that your power supply did not trash the cpu! I doubt it, because
>> it did get that far. I mean, you got a bios notice at the
>> top and then a description of the basic system and then the POST and then
>> no further, right?
>>
>> Then, disconnect as much as you can and still get the computer to boot up
>> to the POST. You'll need to keep the video card and one
>> stick of memory. Test it, then test the other stick. One at a time. See
>>
>> if you can get farther than the POST. You might have to
>> have the hard drive connected to give the power supply a load. The less
>> that you have connected the better. No cd or DVD drives or
>> sound cards or anything if you can help it! Not even the internet or
>> printer. You do need the keyboard, but not the mouse.
>>
>> If you can not get past the POST with the stripped system, then you have
>> something fundamentally wrong. If the graphics card and
>> HDD check out on another computer, then it is your motherboard, cpu, or
>> memory. And if the system fails with both sticks of memory
>> (I assume that you have two or more), tested one at a time, then it is
>> probably not the memory as it is unlikely that more than one
>> stick of the memory failed at the same time (unless the power supply some
>> how cooked them). If you have success, then add pieces
>> one at a time to see if you can find the piece that is causing the
>> trouble.
>>
>> Of the above, given your description, thermal shutdown seems most likely.
>>
>> There is another possibility that you need to be sure to check. If this
>> is a new motherboard and you have a large amount of memory,
>> are you certain that the POST is not doing a full check? When I build a
>> new computer, I always run the full POST to make sure the
>> memory is okay. This can take a long time. (Five minutes?) Then, I go
>> into the cmos settings and tell it to use the quick POST,
>> which bypasses the memory test. If your old computer had its cmos battery
>>
>> fail (they last about three years give or take a few
>> years), then the cmos settings are lost and you likely default to the full
>>
>> POST with the long memory test.
>>
>> I'm sorry if you know all this already. If it is all new to you, then
>> feel free to ask any more questions. It never hurts to have
>> someone else go over things that you might have missed.
>>
>>
>> Dean Kukral
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jimi moore" <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Dean for your insightful reply. In fact we got a PS tester and the
>> ps
>> was bad! We bought another one..checked it before installing it and it was
>> fine...low and behold. The same results for the system..can't get by post!
>> This was a bundle from tigerdirect which i've never had a problem with
>> before but i'm starting to wonder now.
>>
>> jim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean Kukral" <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>> It sort of points to the power supply, doesn't it? You had the same
>>> problem with the old system, and the other two parts test okay
>>> in another system, so it is reasonable to suspect the power supply.
>>>
>>> Also, your two basic "known's" are not correct. First of all, some
>>> things
>>> could be going and/or lit up, but the power supply still
>>> could be weak enough to not be able to boot the whole system. Second,
>>> things could have come dead on arrival. Many of the bad
>>> reviews on NewEgg.com come from people who got bad products. Some even
>>> returned the product and got another bad product
>>> replacement! I think that you are right to think that this is rare. But
>>> I can tell you that I once got an ASUS motherboard, which
>>> in the past was known for quality, with bad networking hardware right out
>>> of the box.
>>>
>>> One thing that you might try is to unhook the power to the hard drive and
>>> see if you can get past POST. That would indicate that
>>> the power supply can supply a little power, but not enough to get the job
>>> done. The one problem with this test is that some power
>>> supplies need a load to start up, and the motherboard may not be enough
>>> of
>>> a load by itself.
>>>
>>> http://www.pcpower.com/support/ATX_troubleshoot.htm has a check for a
>>> power supply, but it is a very poor test. Your power supply
>>> could be failing and still pass this test. (I have had a power supply
>>> that passed this test but was no good.) You might try it
>>> anyway. If it passes, then that does not mean anything, but if it fails,
>>> then you know that the power supply is bad.
>>>
>>> Make sure that the motherboard is standing well off of the case so that
>>> there is no chance of the traces on the bottom of the
>>> motherboard touching the case, except where the stand-offs are screwed
>>> in.
>>>
>>> If you can borrow a power supply to try the system out, then that would
>>> be
>>> ideal. Swapping in new parts one at a time can get
>>> expensive. Cheap power supplies are not too bad (nice to have a spare),
>>> but powerful game power supplies can run pretty expensive.
>>>
>>> And, of course, there is the time-honored technique of disconnecting
>>> everything and adding components one at a time, with the caveat
>>> that the power supply may need a load to run at all. So, you may have to
>>> leave a drive connected.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Dean Kukral
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "jimi moore" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've recently started building a new computer. I believe I've assembled
>>> all
>>> of the parts and connections correctly. The problem however is that upon
>>> booting up, the system doesn't past POST. There are no sounds, and no
>>> beep.
>>> There is also no red light showing at all. However all of the fans are
>>> spinning, and there is a green light on the motherboard, so I know it's
>>> getting power. My system specs are as follows:
>>>
>>> Power Supply: 700W GameXstream
>>> Motherboard: Asus P5N-D
>>> Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700
>>> RAM: Two 2048MB sticks of DDR2 Corsair RAM.
>>> Graphics Card: Nvidia 8800 GTS
>>> HDD: 500 GB Western Digital Caviar
>>>
>>> The HDD, Graphics Card, and Power Supply are from my old system. Now, the
>>> reason for building a new one in the first place was that my old one was
>>> having the exact same error. I know the HDD works, because I've tested it
>>> in
>>> another machine. I've also tested the Graphics Card in another machine.
>>> Both
>>> worked flawlessly. I highly doubt it's the Power Supply, because of the
>>> green light on the motherboard and the fact that all of the fans spin. I
>>> also doubt the new parts I've ordered were shipped dead on arrival. Hence
>>> we
>>> have a problem that really confuses me. I am getting the same error in my
>>> new machine as I was having in my old, but the only things that could be
>>> the
>>> problem I'm certain are not.
>>>
>>> So, can anybody help me out here?
>>>
>>> Jimi Moore
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