RE: Reinstalling Win XP Prof fails
John, Frank, thanks for responding.
John, I did download the low level reformat program but could never get
it to run -- an exe file for a hard disk with no operating system --
just a partially loaded XP Pro. Surely just my lack of knowledge -- but
read on.
Frank, I did locate and print out the Microsoft answer to the 34 minute
hang up. I tried rebooting as many as 13 times and XP still hung up at
the 34 minute mark. As I was able, I did look at the log files but did
not see any glaring boot problems. I removed all cards, connections to
the mother board except the video card, hard drive and DVD/CD rom. I
continued to reboot -- only change was it hung up at the 35 minute mark
-- repeatedly. I reinstalled my hardware. Out of curiosity, I tried a
recovery disk from one of my other computers running Windows XP Media
Edition. It loaded just fine -- but of course I couldn't register it.
I tried XP Pro again and it again failed at the 34 minute mark. I dug
out my old Win 98 second edition CD and tried it and it loaded fine as
well. So, beleaguered and frustrated after all the hours I have spent
to 'simply' return this computer to running XP Pro, I give up. I'll
donate it as is to the church for teaching senior citizens how to use a
computer -- I'm not happy with it not running XP Pro as before but 98SE
is better than not running at all. Microsoft wins again.
Thanks for trying to help.
Ken
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> 2. Motherboards (2)
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> 4. Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails (4)
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>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:25:09 -0600
>From: Larry Fisk <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: With a rat-tat-tat-tat-tat
>
>Have you considered that you might have a stuck key on your keyboard
>or a defective keyboard.
> unplug the keyboard and boot up and see if you still get the noise.
>could also be a defective mouse
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>From: "Joyce E" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: 2007-06-14 06:30 PM
>Subject: [PCBUILD] With a rat-tat-tat-tat-tat
>
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>
>
>>... my computer seems to be failing. It is an eMachines, running
>>Windows XP, SP2, with 700-odd meg of additional RAM. Sorry, but I
>>couldn't find this failure in the archives.
>>
>>The symptoms are, when I start to power up I get a rapid-fire knocking
>>or clicking sound through the speakers. Then if I try to close a
>>program that's in my boot menu, the system chatters and the command
>>flits by too quickly to click on it -- and keeps on doing that.
>>
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>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:25:52 -0400
>From: William Slater <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Motherboards
>
>...the video cards have to say "PCI" and probably under specifications SLI
>but not ATI cards (their double cards are crossfire I think)..example
>XFX PVT84GUDF3 GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
>Video Card - Retail
>is an SLI Card but is good even without 2 cards
>
>good luck,
>William Slater
>
>On 6/17/07, Billy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
>>I just installed this motherboard "ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA
>>nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard" and I was wondering if I needed to
>>have 2 Nividia Video cards to run in SLI or could I use two ATI cards?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Billy
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>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:36:25 -0400
>From: mike martin <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Motherboards
>
>SLI is Nvidia. Crossfire is ATI dual card setup. You have to use
>identitcal Nvidia cards and they have to be SLI capable.
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>Subject: [PCBUILD] Motherboards
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>I just installed this motherboard "ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA
>nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard" and I was wondering if I needed to
>have 2 Nividia Video cards to run in SLI or could I use two ATI cards?
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>Thanks
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>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:31:46 -0400
>From: Bob Lendrim <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Multiple users on XP Pro
>
>Thanks, I gave her admin rights and she can now start Eudora, so that was the problem. I would still prefer to remain the only administrator, so things don't get changed that I can't fix. Is the "one administrator, multiple users" concept a practical thing, or should I avoid it?
>Thanks for any advice, Bob
>
>
>
>
>>From: Paul Hachmeyer <[log in to unmask]>
>>If you go to control panel\users you will be able to alter permissions.
>>Easiest solution is to just give her administrator rights. When you
>>install a program, you might have gotten a screen asking if you want all
>>computer users to be able to access this program/software. You might
>>have just clicked 'no' to that just as we click 'yes' to all the
>>software agreements when we install something.
>>Paul Hachmeyer
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>>Bob Lendrim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I bought a refurbed IBM Thinkpad T40, Win XP Pro SP2, for my wife. It is set up with two users, Bob (administrator), and Marlene (wife). I installed Eudora 5.1 for her email client. When I did that, I was logged in as Bob (the not too good administrator). Now when I log in as Marlene, Eudora will not start. An error message starts to appear, but is instantly covered up by an offer to send MS a report about the problem. I am assuming that "Marlene" can't start Eudora because she hasn't been given the right to do so by the administrator (me). I've been unable to figure out how to give her rights to programs. Can someone steer me to the right place for help.
>>>Thank you, Bob
>>>
>>>
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>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:11:35 -0400
>From: Miquade Jones <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Multiple users on XP Pro
>
>A easy way is, if you have a icon for it.. 1. located, 2. right click , 3=
>. advance =3D run as option
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:59:00 -0500
>From: "Dean K. Kukral" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Multiple users on XP Pro
>
>If I recall correctly, XP has a "power user" level of user, which is
>something between administrator and regular user. You should give that a
>try instead of administrator. (I never used that, but I probably should
>have.)
>
>Dean Kukral
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob Lendrim" <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:31 AM
>Subject: Re: [PCBUILD] Multiple users on XP Pro
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks, I gave her admin rights and she can now start Eudora, so that was
>>the problem. I would still prefer to remain the only administrator, so
>>things don't get changed that I can't fix. Is the "one administrator,
>>multiple users" concept a practical thing, or should I avoid it?
>>Thanks for any advice, Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Paul Hachmeyer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>If you go to control panel\users you will be able to alter permissions.
>>>Easiest solution is to just give her administrator rights. When you
>>>install a program, you might have gotten a screen asking if you want all
>>>computer users to be able to access this program/software. You might
>>>have just clicked 'no' to that just as we click 'yes' to all the
>>>software agreements when we install something.
>>>Paul Hachmeyer
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>Bob Lendrim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I bought a refurbed IBM Thinkpad T40, Win XP Pro SP2, for my wife. It is
>>>>set up with two users, Bob (administrator), and Marlene (wife). I
>>>>installed Eudora 5.1 for her email client. When I did that, I was logged
>>>>in as Bob (the not too good administrator). Now when I log in as Marlene,
>>>>Eudora will not start. An error message starts to appear, but is
>>>>instantly covered up by an offer to send MS a report about the problem. I
>>>>am assuming that "Marlene" can't start Eudora because she hasn't been
>>>>given the right to do so by the administrator (me). I've been unable to
>>>>figure out how to give her rights to programs. Can someone steer me to
>>>>the right place for help.
>>>>Thank you, Bob
>>>>
>>>>
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:40:40 -0400
>From: Ken Vickery <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>Stats: 1.80 gigahertz Intel Pentium; 512 Mb ram; bus 100 Mhz; C: 160 gbyt=
>e WD hd; D: 43 gbyte WD hd; Sony DVD-RW. I think my XP Pro disks are SP1=
>.
>
>Before donating my 'old' computer to our church, I chose to give them a c=
>lean operating system with all my old files and tweaks removed. I'm 'sim=
>ply' doing a total reinstall of my XP PRO which was already on the drive.=
> I loaded my XP Pro CD into my DVD-RW and booted from the CD. All went =
>well through the formating and the first stage of installation. BUT then=
>, after it rebooted itself, it began to continue installing more files --=
> seeminly starting with 39 minutes until completion. At 34 minutes to go=
>, it works a while and then the little activity indicator at the bottom o=
>f the screen freezes and soon afterwards the harddrive activity stops. I=
> even let it sit for 8 hours one time and nothing more happened.
>
>I have tried this process about 4 times on my original C Drive, reformatt=
>ing NTFS each time, and each time it 'locks up' at the same place.
>
>I have connected my D Drive as my C Drive and tried to run the installati=
>on again. Everything is normal and continues as before until it reaches =
>that 34 minute mark. I've tried it again and it will not get passed the =
>34 minute mark.
>
>I can only guess my installation disk has gone bad over the years.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>TIA
>
>Ken
>
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:58:11 -0400
>From: Paul Hachmeyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Multiple users on XP Pro
>
>I've shared a computer as administrator with my wife for years, we each
>have our own email accounts. I encourage her to get me if something
>isn't working right so as not to make it harder to correct or recover a
>lost file after taking her friends advice, etc. It's when my kids use
>the computer that 'stuff' starts to happen, so they each have their own.
>There are ways to limit access to programs and utilities, effectively
>locking out areas or the ability to add software, etc. I don't use them
>myself and are not familiar enough to suggest how to do it. However,
>XP has the ability to set 'restore points' so you could set a recovery
>point every few months as you add new programs, etc. while everything is
>working ok. This copies your registry and dates it, and that is the
>most difficult area to fix when something gets corrupted, in my
>opinion. More info can be found here:
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/getstarted/ballew_03may19.mspx
>Paul Hachmeyer
>
>Bob Lendrim wrote:
>
>
>
>>Thanks, I gave her admin rights and she can now start Eudora, so that was the problem. I would still prefer to remain the only administrator, so things don't get changed that I can't fix. Is the "one administrator, multiple users" concept a practical thing, or should I avoid it?
>>Thanks for any advice, Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Paul Hachmeyer <[log in to unmask]>
>>>If you go to control panel\users you will be able to alter permissions.
>>>Easiest solution is to just give her administrator rights. When you
>>>install a program, you might have gotten a screen asking if you want all
>>>computer users to be able to access this program/software. You might
>>>have just clicked 'no' to that just as we click 'yes' to all the
>>>software agreements when we install something.
>>>Paul Hachmeyer
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob Lendrim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I bought a refurbed IBM Thinkpad T40, Win XP Pro SP2, for my wife. It is set up with two users, Bob (administrator), and Marlene (wife). I installed Eudora 5.1 for her email client. When I did that, I was logged in as Bob (the not too good administrator). Now when I log in as Marlene, Eudora will not start. An error message starts to appear, but is instantly covered up by an offer to send MS a report about the problem. I am assuming that "Marlene" can't start Eudora because she hasn't been given the right to do so by the administrator (me). I've been unable to figure out how to give her rights to programs. Can someone steer me to the right place for help.
>>>>Thank you, Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:08:36 -0400
>From: Paul Hachmeyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: push case start button, 0.5 seconds fans start then off....first build 06-15-07
>
>I would start by disconnecting all the drives - cd, dvd, hd's, (both
>power and ribbon cables), leave in one stick of memory (preferably one
>you know is good, regardless of size), remove any add in cards unless
>needed (leave in video card, unless you also have onboard video),unplug
>speakers, leds, and try to start the computer. If still no good, then
>you need to triple check all wiring, jumpers. Bad mb, cpu, jumper
>settings, etc., shorted led, speaker problem, are some possibilities.
>If it starts, then reinstall one component at a time (power down and
>unplug each time) test it, repeat until it fails again. If you are
>familiar with and have a tester, you can try to check the power switch
>for continuity with an ohmmeter/multimeter being certain to unplug the
>power first. Some switches are momentary contact - that is, they only
>conduct while the switch is held in. Once you let go, the power stops
>thru the switch, since the mb is activating a relay to keep the power
>going.
>Paul Hachmeyer
>
>William Slater wrote:
>
>
>
>>Any suggestions greatly appreciated,
>> build background info, mb ASUS M2N SLI delux, AMD Athlon 64 cpu
>>windsor
>>2.4 ghtz, power COOLMAX 700w, case THERMALTAKE Armor, hd 320gb seagate
>>sata,
>>160 gb maxtor ide, plextor dvd ide, gaphics Geforce 8600 GTS 256, mem OCZ
>>platinum 2gb DDR2 800,
>>tech level intermediate-advanced...use win xp and linux Ubuntu, Fedora,
>>Suse..able to partition hard drive ect ...but not able to write code
>>read Asus manual 4+ times before attempting build.
>>
>>Objective situation-. plugged in rear switch on green light visible on in
>>case, press start button 0.5 seconds rear fan and cpu cooler fan come
>>on...then immediately off, dvd led also comes on and on other led by pwr
>>button..I double checked the internal connections, system panel connector
>>pwr ground,ide led reset,4 pin spker, system pwr led , sys spkr,
>>appears to
>>be correct
>>not sure if on-off switch is good or not
>>
>>any suggestions welcomed
>>
>>William Slater
>>[log in to unmask]
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:06:19 -0500
>From: Russ Cox <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>I don't have a solution, but have the same symptom. This is a 1GHz Duron,
>256M RAM custom build. It came to me with Win XP on it. It would start to
>boot, then stop halfway. Would stop part way through booting up in safe
>mode. I changed memory, hard drive, CDROM drive and reloaded the OS with
>two different XP Cds. Always stops in setup at 34 minutes - loading device
>drivers. I suspect it's either a failed mobo component or a BIOS problem.
>It will not go into setup, but flashes through it. Will not boot from a
>known good floppy. I'm looking for any other suggestions.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Vickery" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:40 AM
>Subject: [PCBUILD] Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>
>Stats: 1.80 gigahertz Intel Pentium; 512 Mb ram; bus 100 Mhz; C: 160 gbyte
>WD hd; D: 43 gbyte WD hd; Sony DVD-RW. I think my XP Pro disks are SP1.
>
>Before donating my 'old' computer to our church, I chose to give them a
>clean operating system with all my old files and tweaks removed. I'm
>'simply' doing a total reinstall of my XP PRO which was already on the
>drive. I loaded my XP Pro CD into my DVD-RW and booted from the CD. All
>went well through the formating and the first stage of installation. BUT
>then, after it rebooted itself, it began to continue installing more
>files -- seeminly starting with 39 minutes until completion. At 34 minutes
>to go, it works a while and then the little activity indicator at the bottom
>of the screen freezes and soon afterwards the harddrive activity stops. I
>even let it sit for 8 hours one time and nothing more happened.
>
>I have tried this process about 4 times on my original C Drive, reformatting
>NTFS each time, and each time it 'locks up' at the same place.
>
>I have connected my D Drive as my C Drive and tried to run the installation
>again. Everything is normal and continues as before until it reaches that
>34 minute mark. I've tried it again and it will not get passed the 34
>minute mark.
>
>I can only guess my installation disk has gone bad over the years.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>TIA
>
>Ken
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:14:52 -0400
>From: "Franklin B. Brumett" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>Hello Ken,
>
>There is a Microsoft knowledge base article that may address this for you.
>It is http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828267 Try it. There may be a
>hardware problem with your pc. Try starting the reinstall of XP with only
>the basics - keyboard, monitor, only one hard disk and a mouse. Disconnect
>the data and power cables from the DVD.
>
>Let us know, please, if that helped.
>
>Hth - Frank
>
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ken Vickery
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 8:41 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [PCBUILD] Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>Stats: 1.80 gigahertz Intel Pentium; 512 Mb ram; bus 100 Mhz; C: 160 gbyte
>WD hd; D: 43 gbyte WD hd; Sony DVD-RW. I think my XP Pro disks are SP1.
>
>Before donating my 'old' computer to our church, I chose to give them a
>clean operating system with all my old files and tweaks removed. I'm
>'simply' doing a total reinstall of my XP PRO which was already on the
>drive. I loaded my XP Pro CD into my DVD-RW and booted from the CD. All
>went well through the formating and the first stage of installation. BUT
>then, after it rebooted itself, it began to continue installing more files
>-- seeminly starting with 39 minutes until completion. At 34 minutes to go,
>it works a while and then the little activity indicator at the bottom of the
>screen freezes and soon afterwards the harddrive activity stops. I even let
>it sit for 8 hours one time and nothing more happened.
>
>I have tried this process about 4 times on my original C Drive, reformatting
>NTFS each time, and each time it 'locks up' at the same place.
>
>I have connected my D Drive as my C Drive and tried to run the installation
>again. Everything is normal and continues as before until it reaches that
>34 minute mark. I've tried it again and it will not get passed the 34
>minute mark.
>
>I can only guess my installation disk has gone bad over the years.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>TIA
>
>Ken
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>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:23:39 -0700
>From: john steadman <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Reinstalling Win XP Pro fails
>
>Ken try cleaning the hdd completely with low level format tool. free software
>http://www.downloadjunction.com/product/store/26582/index.html
>I had an old 60 gig hdd with errors on it sectors etc...
>did low level format with this tool and installed an os no problem.The tool will map the drive as its formatting. This is not a normal format it strips the drive completely clean fixes errors it may have..for a clean instal of the os..
>regards john..
>Ken Vickery <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Stats: 1.80 gigahertz Intel Pentium; 512 Mb ram; bus 100 Mhz; C: 160 gbyte WD hd; D: 43 gbyte WD hd; Sony DVD-RW. I think my XP Pro disks are SP1.
>
>Before donating my 'old' computer to our church, I chose to give them a clean operating system with all my old files and tweaks removed. I'm 'simply' doing a total reinstall of my XP PRO which was already on the drive. I loaded my XP Pro CD into my DVD-RW and booted from the CD. All went well through the formating and the first stage of installation. BUT then, after it rebooted itself, it began to continue installing more files -- seeminly starting with 39 minutes until completion. At 34 minutes to go, it works a while and then the little activity indicator at the bottom of the screen freezes and soon afterwards the harddrive activity stops. I even let it sit for 8 hours one time and nothing more happened.
>
>I have tried this process about 4 times on my original C Drive, reformatting NTFS each time, and each time it 'locks up' at the same place.
>
>I have connected my D Drive as my C Drive and tried to run the installation again. Everything is normal and continues as before until it reaches that 34 minute mark. I've tried it again and it will not get passed the 34 minute mark.
>
>I can only guess my installation disk has gone bad over the years.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>TIA
>
>Ken
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