Amadeus,
To get the protein right , I was mainly refering to getting the full range
of (essential) amino acids as some vegetable foods are fairly lacking in
them. You implied the same in your previous post on beans :) Which is so
good, I've pasted it below:
Ben Balzer

.B. Feldman wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/millennium/m1/eco.html
> the Bean Saved Civilization
> IS AN INTERESTING SHORT ARTICLE ABOUT THE LAST THOUSAND YEARS

Thanks for the nicely written article and the nyt reference.

Reading it, I'd like to correct a little mistake I found:

citing:
>... So when, in the 10th century, the cultivation of legumes
>began to spread, it had a profound effect on Europe. Working people

>were able to eat
>more protein; ...
Cultivation of legumes (namely lentils and peas) begun in the very
advent of cultivations, which is about 4200BC for central europe.
(5000 years earlier in central europe).


This had a double effect on the stone age community.
1. All legumes in fact fertilize the soil with nitrogen by symbionts
they have living in their roots. This is an ideal combination with
cereals, which extract that nitrogen.
This gives nearly unlimited fertility to the fields, when switching
between the both.
2.Legume protein and cereal protein together make up an very
good protein, because legumes supply "per accident" exactely
the amino acid that is low in cereals.
The resulting protein (combinated about 1/3 to 2/3) is even
better than meat (111%), so less is needed.

IMO as a consequence, all the old-overcome staples and national
dishes consist of a cereal and a legume
(in italy:lentils in spain:chickpeas india:both americas:beans).

Btw. the middle age favourite cereal is millet, what the
famous millet-mush ("Hirsebrei") is made of.

regards

Amadeus



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From: Amadeus Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [P-F] Ovo-lacto-- Original thread starter reappears here


> Ben Balzer wrote:
> >Most of the paleo benefits come from avoiding
>
> >grains and sticking to fruit
> >and veges which have far more
>
> >vitamins/micronutrients PER CALORIE than
> >grains.
> This IMHO really hits the nail.
> >Grains are energy dense (high >calorie).
>
> >Grains also contain mild
> >toxins that are of relevance to we
>
> >true-(paleo)-believers. So you can be a
> >paleo vegetarian by sticking to Rays list of
>
> >thow shalt not eat, then having
> >eggs to get the protein right
> I like your definition, Ben. But to get the
> protein "right"? What *is* right?
> Some assume a very high protein input, so high
> that most of it is excreted again (or burnt).
> (1) shows that the nitrogen if above about
> 40g protein/day is simply excreted - what
> means that amino acids have been brocen down
> to fuel and excreted N (ammonia, urea).
>
> This may be beneficial to diabeted deseased
> which have to reduce carbs as much as
>
> possible.
> But who knows how much protein australopethine
> ate? We do know how much chimps and gorillas
>
> eat.
>
> > >My question was, and remains,: "How may I
>
> add more protein to my diet
> > without
> > >eating meat?"
> Sunflower seed, all the various nuts.
>
> If you want animal protein (what reason for?)
>
> you don't have to eat meat (and possibly
> violate your convictions).
> White cheese is a mild paleo violation
> -there is paleo-cheese (remember calves)
> and last but not least we *are* mammals :-)
>
> I'd be better searching for *energy* than for
> protein however, because paleo "engergy" is
> not so easy to find.
> There are no paleo pigs with 27% fat.
> Wild game has much less fat, namely in africas
> savannes.
> Paleo meat is the opposite of energetically
>
> dense.
>
> regards, Amadeus
>
> (1)
> http://medtstgo.ucdavis.edu/endo/lecture/MetPi
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