I can't go through these studies right now, but you obviously have so 
I'll ask you: what other factors were they checking for? Were people 
tested and if so, what was their diet like? Rheumatoid arthritis, for 
example, is also associated with gluten, so my questions stem from other 
dietary factors that may have been going on that were not accounted for.

Sort of like how ALZ plaques are found in the brains of HG's eating a 
high meat/fat diet, but they don't show any signs of ALZ or dementia, 
while ppl on so-called modern diets show both (plaques and symptoms). 
Same with arterial plaques. Something may be present without causing any 
problems - other factors contribute to the actual symptomatic expression 
of the problem.

What I wonder with AGE's, then, is if they are in fact problematic in 
populations that do not eat grains, legumes, sugar, etc. I think that 
would be a valuable study.

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>> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:47:24 -0400
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Joint pain
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>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:41:01 +0100, Geoffrey Purcell 
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>>> This study does not differentiate between cooked and raw meet. The link 
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