On Monday, Dec 13, 2004, at 08:35 Asia/Tokyo, Cas Kearse wrote:

> pain is a great persuader.
> Cas
>
You said it, Cas. Works for me. I asked my Dad how much he would pay
not to have knee pain. He has had bad knees for 40 years or so. He said
quite a lot. But he hasn't quit eating bread. Wish I could get him to
try it.