Very passionate. I will give your post the attention it deserves when  
I get back from this holiday trip. Happy New Year!


Jim Swayze
www.fireholecanyon.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Ken O'Neill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I'm sure glad you qualified your remark to read "I am aware of."
>
> I'm well aware of the work of a couple of Liverpool University  
> academics to
> vindicate HIT. Using meta-analysis, their attempt calls into  
> question their
> intellectual veracity. Meta-analysis of HIT studies are a  
> statistician's
> dream come true - HIT is so uniform the range of differences between
> projects is little more than movements employed. Comparing to standard
> training is where things break down - there's no such entity as  
> standard
> training, so attempting to harvest data from studies with variables  
> all over
> the place left little basis for profiling standard training. In  
> comparison,
> HIT looks good.
>
> Unfortunately, the works of Dr Ron Laura have not be distributed in  
> his
> native North America, chiefly in Australia alone - works pertaining  
> to his
> Matrix Principles of training. I find his work engaging due to  
> resources he
> calls upon which are otherwise neglected in strength training -  
> other than,
> that is, Scott Abel's approach. And even then, using very much the  
> same
> resources, Ron and Scott's training systems are as different as day  
> and
> night. Matrix is very light weight in complex patterns of full and  
> partial
> reps, some with partial reps of static holds. Astonishing enough,  
> I've never
> seen any training system pack muscle on so fast nor promote  
> increases in
> strength pretty rapidly. I've found this method to be by far the  
> best for
> older people suffering the pangs of sarcopenia (muscle wasting) and
> associated metabolic syndrome. Arthritics in particular benefit from  
> low
> strain on inflamed joints and rapid regaining of muscle to take even  
> more
> wear and tear off those joints. Works very well along with Paleo for  
> curing
> type II diabetes.
>
> Abel's MET (metabolic enhancement training)is far more demanding. It  
> was the
> subject of my July and August 2008 article in Iron Man Magazine. Scott
> chiefly coaches physique and figure competitors. I never publish about
> something without doing it myself. Two years ago I did three months of
> concentrated MET training. At 63 that had my resting heart down to  
> 52-54
> beats per minute.
>
> Both systems recognize the need for a variety of movements and  
> changing
> workouts frequently - not just for psychological boredom, but based on
> neuroscience discoveries made since the 80s. Both rely on innervation.
> Jonesian HIT assumes incorrectly that a set done to failure will  
> access all
> or close to all fibers. Accessing fibers is a learned skill, and the  
> more
> fibers you want to access mandates working a given muscle through  
> all sorts
> of ranges of movement (cf Basmajian's incredible work in mapping  
> muscles and
> in biofeedback voluntary control of single fibers).
>
> When Jones first published, only Iron Man Magazine under its  
> founders Peary
> and Mabel Rader would carry his articles. What a revelation they  
> were for
> that time. As his Nautilus training books saw print, I immediately  
> bought
> them and put them in practice. I'd quit competition in 1965 simply  
> due to
> the onslaught of steroid use - something I was disinterested in doing.
> Arthur wrote to those with sufficient common sense of eschew drugs,  
> although
> most of his stars were on the sauce. I stuck with HIT for about five  
> or six
> years with next to no results. Then I became friends with Frank  
> Zane, and
> Frank taught me a lot about training - and the results began to  
> accrue. In
> retrospect, we were all under the spell of Bob Hoffman's idea that  
> heavy
> weight produce big muscles. Weider's advocacy of lighter weights and  
> pump,
> no doubt based on Vince Gironda's methods, turns out to be rather  
> true.
>
> Abel's big book and his seminar video go into considerable depth about
> training different dimensions or kinds of strength. His MET training
> incorporates those principles. He makes use of Hill's strength  
> curve, likely
> with considerable reference from Dr Squat, Fred Hatfield. JC Santana  
> also
> hints at 'surfing the curve' in his works.
>
> HIT does little for mitochondria biogenesis, capillary beds, etc.
>
> HIT never had a physique champion - all the guys who trained with AJ  
> used
> other methods, so we can't hold that they were 100% HIT. And all  
> used drugs
> - some of them hard core narcotics (Mentzer died of a heart attack,  
> with
> sixty five doses of vicodin in his system - the coroner held the  
> vicodin and
> anti-depressant abuse likely precipitated the fatal event). Knowing  
> many
> people who trained with and around Mentzer, he simply didn't do his  
> heavy
> duty).
>
> My other bone of contention with HIT is the reliance on machines. My  
> gym is
> free weights, surgical tubing, and movement.
>
> Citing one paper hardly justifes a thing. In fact, I personally find  
> little
> illuminating in individual studies published in the field - most  
> suggest the
> researchers have never really trained.
>
> HIT was popular for a spell in sports training. In fact, it was the  
> Miami
> Dolphins' win of the superbowl that made Nautilus. Jones had put a  
> set of
> machines in, the Dolphis trained on them, so when they won the  
> superbowl,
> everybody else had to have them. That didn't last for a decade. Louis
> Simmons has had a much bigger impact of sports training than Jones -  
> that's
> Louie of the Westside Barbell Club, still benching over six hundred  
> in his
> mid fifties.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paleolithic Eating Support List  
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Jim Swayze
> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:05 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Art DeVany's book: "The New Evolution Diet"
>
> Single sets, properly performed, to exhaustion is a superior method to
> any other I am aware of. Arthur Jones work was vindicated by Smith and
> Bruce-Low:
>
> Smith D, Bruce-Low, S. Strength Training Methods and The Work of
> Arthur Jones. Journal of Exercise Physiology Online 2004;7(6): 52-68
>
>
> Jim Swayze
> www.fireholecanyon.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 2, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Ken O'Neill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Not HIT but HIIT -  high intensity interval training with EPOC
>> benefits.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Jim Swayze <[log in to unmask]
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very interesting timing as I am currently writing a chapter for a
>>> forthcoming paleo nutrition and exercise book. My ideas are based
>>> on the
>>> premise that paleo hunter exercise was brief and intense, the very
>>> essence
>>> of HIT. I find there is plenty science to support it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Swayze
>>> www.fireholecanyon.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 31, 2009, at 12:04 AM, Ken O'Neill <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd caution taking him too seriously: he's essentially a Nautilus
>>>> fundamentalist (HITtites), Nautilus being a basion of failed ideas
>>>> originating with the idiosyncratic, autodidactic mix of genius and
>>>> crackpot
>>>> Arthur Jones in an era in which exercise physiology was in its
>>>> infancy.
>>>>
>>>> More informed is John Berardi and his Precision Nutrition - both
>>>> in peak
>>>> performance through nutrition/diet and through training - a former
>>>> physique
>>>> and power liffting champion, Dr John's clients include a host of
>>>> professional athletes and teams more interested in success and
>>>> winning
>>>> than
>>>> speculative fiction about training.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Keith Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For those who missed earlier posts, note that Art DeVany's book
>>>> will be
>>>>> published in April 2010.
>>>>> Called The New Evolution Diet, it is available for pre-
>>>>> publication order
>>>>> from Amazon.co.uk:
>>>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Evolution-Diet-Weight-Longer/dp/0091929571
>>>>>
>>>>> I've placed an order for three copies and might just double that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Art discusses the book on his blog and is presently running
>>>>> through many
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> references he drew upon in the writing of the book, and
>>>>> discussing them
>>>>> with
>>>>> subscribers:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.arthurdevany.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> New year wishes to all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>> http://www.evfit.com
>>>>>
>>>>>