Hmmm,
roots
roots
root vegetables have such a long shelf life and we know so little about
them.
why such a long shelf life? Possibly they have enormous amounts of
antioxidants.
but they used to be a major staple until.....
Until when???
Until the refrigerator came along 50 to 70 years or so back. Not very long
to we paleodoods.
Here's a reference about what Americans used to eat
http://waltonfeed.com/old/default.htm (I'm an Aussie, but I was brought up
on Jeff's Collie)
Do you know how hard I searched the internet to find out the antioxidant
content of root vegetables?
And the answer wasn't there. Even www.dogpile.com  couldn't find it. But the
USDA site http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ did show me they're very
high in phytosterols.
Yet, back in the good old days we used to live on them, going back millions
of years. Yet we know more about peanut butter than root vegetables. Not
very logical.

Well, there's you're answer, everyone stored root vegetables and used them
during the winter- they didn't have to dig up all that snow. Not too much
ketosis hopefully.

If anyone can give me information about the properties of root vegetables,
I'd appreciate it. I know they're dull and boring, but they are one of the
missing links to the dietary past! Maybe it's time we got bck to our roots.

Ben Balzer


----- Original Message -----
From: Ilya <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 1999 12:37
Subject: Re: [P-F] ketosis


> Amadeus Schmidt wrote:
> > Ilya wrote:
> > >>  Because some carbs are essential, and there is *no* means
> > >>  for the body to recreate carbohydrate from fat
> > >Not true - the are no means to convert fatty acids to glucose,
> > >but fat (tryglycerides) also have a glycerol molecule, which
> > >can be converted to glucose and depending on the type of
> > >fat, can contribute a noticeable amount of energy. Fats
> > >composed of very short chain fatty acids (such as found in
> > >butter) ..
> >  And animal body fat? adipose? brain, marrow? butter is dairy.
> Sorry, not sure if I see your point here. I was merely saying
> that part of fat CAN be converted to glucose. The amount is
> relatively small and varies by type of fat. Are you trying to
> say butter is non-paleo? Yes, but I was simply using it as
> an example of a common food that is rich in short chain fatty
> acids.
>
> > >..may have 5-10% of their energy coming in the form
> > >of glucose.
> > glycerol, converted to glucose, what is also called gluconeogenesis.
> > Such a small percentage of energy from the glycerol part of the
> > fatty acids IMO doesn't change the picture much -
> > even if the fat is there.
> Again, I was merely pointing out that part of fats calories does
> indeed come from conversion of glucose, which you said can't be
> done. Are you now agreeing with me, but saying the amounts are too
> small?
>
> Also, this tread was started by somebody in ketosis, if I recall.
> Even if fat contributes only a few grams of carbs per day
> this may be a substantial addition for a person who only needs 40gm or so.
>
> > Thanks for the low carb references (do you have exact postings URL?).
> Not a URL - mailing lists (two of them, one a generic low carb list,
> the other exercise while on low carb list)
>
> > Btw.: nobody expects our anchestor humans to have stayed in
> > in ketosis, right?
> I guess I am a nobody then, seeming to remember at least some
> hunter gatherers who do - Inuit, may be many others did too.
>
> > Why torture the body if the right form of fuel is available
> > in the form of fruit.
> Available when? during one season a year only? So, what exactly,
> if not animal foods, do you figure our ancestors ate in the middle
> of winter? (Say those who lived in the snow covered parts of the world).
> Digging up nutritious roots from under feet of snow all winter long?
> And what do you mean torture - the main source of calories on these
> diets should be fat. The adequate amount of protein on a keto
> diet will also provide the needed minimal glucose (remember,
> your body will turn a fairly high proportion of protein into
> glucose whether you want it or not. If you eat enough protein
> for your other needs you will also happen to get enough glucose,
> if on a low carb diet). So, do you mind explaining exactly what
> is wrong with ketosis?
>
> Ilya