I, for one, am really getting tired of this thread of discussion.  Not 
the occasional dairy-related information, but invective and 
pseudo-psychology involved.

Susan Gallant wrote:

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> Do we need guidelines for citing on this list? Can we at least be very clear 
> when we are citing alternative "medicine" practitioners rather than 
> traditional allopathic medicine?

No, I don't think we need guidelines for citing.  Anyone should be able 
to post anything (other standards not withstanding - like pornographic 
and/or hate material) as citations.  It's up to the consuming public to 
decide if there is any merit in it -- for them, if not for the whole 
community.

My hackles go up personally when any site that purports to be trying to 
help you with a physiological problem requires "a firm faith in the 
Devine Healer".  So, that's the point I stopped reading.  That's my choice.

My real gripe is the pronouncements that any one person absolutely knows 
what is good and not good, based on their own personal research and 
experience, and seems to denigrate the knowledge and experiences of 
others - with statements like "you obviously haven't done any research . 
. ."   And it is especially bothersome when there are not even any 
citations to allow the rest of the public to read, evaluate, and discuss.

The personal slams -- in all directions -- that have been going on are 
getting oppressive.

   "Let me guess. You must work in the medical field somewhere, right? 
That would explain your biast opinions. Are you always angry with people 
who offer knowledge they have to offer to help others? It seems that a 
lot of your responses are based on emotion and rants and raves just 
because you don't like what you read. Behind anger is fear and you 
bellow with a lot of heavy anger in your emails. What are you afraid of? 
WHay be angry with me for wanting to share something that could help 
someone else? I think your responses go a lot deeper than just "not 
buying" what I have to say.  I think you're trying to bully me into 
laying low and keeping my mouth shut and it isn't going to happen so you 
may as well just get used to me being here and get over it. Grow up! "

Please, keep the psycho-nonsense out of this discussion.  Sue, I'd say 
your responses have some interesting aspects to them as well; but this 
is not the place for that discussion.

BTW -Medical people and scientists are not biased, necessarily; but they 
do want more than just "someone's" word for things.