Dave,

If I got it all wrong you definitely stop way short of getting it right.
I was not refering to you particularly or the party you support.I was just
trying to indicate one of the many issues that promotes conflicts
in Africa and contributes to our backwardness so there is no need to be
sensitive about it.

Beran


>From: Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Our Disagreements.
>Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:34:21 +0000
>
>Mr Jeng,
>Ofcourse we should talk, but if justice is not done or seen to be done
>at the end of the day, then we can talk all the way to kingdom come
>and the problems will stubbornly remain.
>There cannot ever be justice when murderers walk the streets with
>their pockets bulking with stolen loot.
>
>Personally I think you have got it completely wrong actually, for the
>suffering
>and turmoil Africans are living with  one of INJUSTICE.
>
>AND once again, i will say this, my party did not lose an election and i
>did
>not contest a seat in the elections, and as such am not a sore loser.I am a
>PDOIS sympathiser,so please get it this time.
>
>Regards
>Manneh
>
>Quoting Beran jeng <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > I'm in total agreement with you that the truth is the truth and is
> > irrespective of whomever or whatever it pertains to.You are also right
> > that
> > the truth can't be polish but there can be attempts to manipulate
> > the truth to suit ones purpose.
> > The rule of law,Justice ,and good governance is paramount to most on
> > this
> > list in my opinion.Talking does not mean ignoring the realities.As a
> > matter
> > of fact,that's why you talk to find a way of dealing with those
> > realities.In
> > the absence of talking,the other options available are to remain in a
> > continuous lockdown state at the expense of your country and people,or
> > you
> > pick up arms and fight.I would rather talk than being in continuous
> > lockdown
> > or fighting.African people have long been suffering from this and it
> > has
> > gotten us nowhere other than reduce us to a continent of beggars and
> > i'm
> > sick and tired of it.Africans including gambians must talk to resolve
> > our
> > differences.It is also prudent for us to accept the outcome of a
> > contest
> > particularly in the arena of elections,that the declared winner,under a
> > free
> > and fair elections,be accepted rather than looking for ways and means
> > of
> > tainting the results simply because the one you wanted to win the
> > elections
> > did not win.
> >
> > The truth should always be the truth.
> >
> > Beran
> >
> >
> > >From: Dave Manneh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Our Disagreements.
> > >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:40:38 +0000
> > >
> > >Mr Touray,
> > >That is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
> > >As the saying goes, "TRUTH IS THE ONLY THING THAT CANNOT BE BE
> > IMPROVED
> > >UPON".
> > >One cannot say I need to polish this truth a little bit more, just to
> > make
> > >it
> > >even more truthful, it just does not happen. It's is simple and
> > straight
> > >forward.
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >Manneh
> > >
> > >Quoting [log in to unmask]:
> > >
> > > > If you picked up the phone and called Sedia Jatta at home , he
> > will
> > > > gladly
> > > > discuss public policy with . The same is true for Ousainou Darboe.
> > It
> > > > wouldn't make a difference if you have never met neither man.
> > Similarly
> > > > if
> > > > you picked up a phone and called Haruna Darboe in Atlanta , or Joe
> > > > Sambou in
> > > > Chicago or Jabou Joh in Memphis, you could engage in fruitful
> > dialogue
> > > > about
> > > > Gambian matters. What all these folks have in common is not a
> > unanimity
> > > > of
> > > > ideas  on  how best to move Gambia forward. The binding thread
> > among
> > > > them is
> > > > a strong and fundamental believe in democracy and the rule of law.
> > > > Having
> > > > spoken to all of them I also know that they bring incredible
> > passion
> > > > and
> > > > integrity to issues of our country. I have not always agreed with
> > them
> > > > on all
> > > > issues, but with a uniform commitment to open and fair contest of
> > > > ideas,
> > > > engaging them has always been a worthwhile exercise. I have a
> > strong
> > > > sense as
> > > > a citizen I could do business with people of this caliber not
> > because
> > > > there
> > > > is anything special about them as individuals, but because of
> > their
> > > > strong
> > > > devotion to a law based foundation for our national journey. Once
> > we
> > > > all
> > > > agree on the rules and follow them scrupulously and fairly,
> > > > constructive
> > > > engagement becomes almost inevitable as various ideas compete for
> > > > public
> > > > support. Our system of government and more importantly will be
> > better of
> > > > for
> > > > it.
> > > >       As I have said before the government of Yahya Jammeh cannot
> > ever
> > > > be
> > > > constructively engaged precisely because the regime and its entire
> > > > configuration is not interested in a process and institution based
> > form
> > > > of
> > > > government. Their agenda is the molding of a thorough Banana
> > republic
> > > > by
> > > > collapsing  or severely compromising all institutions leaving the
> > people
> > > > with
> > > > only an appearance of a government.I will not question the
> > motivations
> > > > of
> > > > those who advocate a dialogue with the regime of Yahya Jammeh. For
> > the
> > > > record
> > > > I will never ever be part of such an effort because of the
> > following
> > > > reasons:
> > > > 1-The government in my view is illegitimate because it did not
> > > > democratically
> > > > assume power in manner prescribed by Gambian law.
> > > > 2-The President is personally responsible for murdering innocent
> > > > Gambian
> > > > citizens, directing the abductions, torture and detention even more
> > of
> > > > our
> > > > people in a deliberate and willful scheme to terrorize a civilian
> > > > population
> > > > into submission
> > > > 3-The President has by design subverted the laws of the Gambia by
> > > > presiding
> > > > over a Gestapo like regime that uses law enforcement as an
> > instrument
> > > > of
> > > > terror on his political opponents. Equal protection under law which
> > is
> > > > at the
> > > > very essence of a civilized country has long been set aside in the
> > > > Gambia.
> > > > 4-Gambians cannot count on judicial redress of their grievances in
> > their
> > > > own
> > > > country because of the dictatorial tendencies of the regime that
> > has
> > > > succeeded in compromising the judiciary.
> > > > 5-The pillage and plunder of the poor Gambian to finance the
> > insulting
> > > > excesses of a President of country in which most people can't
> > afford
> > > > decent
> > > > food. (I will soon submit a ten page piece on an exhaustive analysis
> > of
> > > > State
> > > > Houses expenditures both on and off the book accounts. Tens of
> > millions
> > > > of
> > > > Dalasis of the Gambian people's money being squandered .)
> > > >     To those who understand all the above and even agree with them,
> > I
> > > > ask you
> > > > a simple question. What do they mean to you? What do you hope to
> > uphold
> > > > if
> > > > all these significant issues do not merit your total repudiation of
> > a
> > > > regime
> > > > that is the closest thing to evil? I am yet to see anyone come to
> > this
> > > > list
> > > > and say well you know what Yahya Jammeh murdered my relative or
> > jailed
> > > > my
> > > > sister but I want to leave all that unresolved and move on. Justice
> > is
> > > > at the
> > > > heart of any resolution of the Gambian problem. This regime has
> > > > committed
> > > > unforgivable crimes against our nation and people. The key to
> > forging
> > > > ahead
> > > > must first adequately address these serious national grievances in
> > way
> > > > and
> > > > manner prescribed by our laws. I find all these prattle about
> > moving
> > > > on
> > > > utterly unpersuasive especially when it is paraphrased with a
> > contention
> > > > that
> > > > the regime has committed all these serious crimes. If murder,
> > pillage
> > > > and
> > > > plunder do not sufficiently perturb us as a people who wish our
> > country
> > > > well,
> > > > what will? We are not talking about buttonholing Halifah or some
> > other
> > > > decent
> > > > politician about  issues. Yahya Jammeh and his entire regime are
> > nothing
> > > > but
> > > > an incestuous cabal of criminals who want to appeal to the worst
> > > > instincts of
> > > > Gambians . They want you to be accessories to their ongoing evil
> > > > enterprise
> > > > by having you in effect rationalize crimes against your own people.
> > It
> > > > is
> > > > always easier when the victim is not close enough but don't ever
> > assume
> > > > it
> > > > doesn't hurt. One high school kid from Brufut I was watching on
> > tape
> > > > the
> > > > other day at an event that was held in Sept of 2001 summed the
> > entire
> > > > battle
> > > > . He stood before a crowd in the center Brufut and said he was there
> > to
> > > > urge
> > > > the people of his town to oppose the brutal regime of Yahya Jammeh
> > who
> > > > murdered his friend and classmate in cold blood on April 10 of the
> > > > previous
> > > > year. He said his friend bled to death almost in his hands and the
> > > > trigger
> > > > man is walking streets thanks to a creul regime who both murdered
> > his
> > > > friend
> > > > and was mocking his memory. In a brave show of character, he also
> > told
> > > > the
> > > > assembled crowd that his parents have thrown him out of their home
> > for
> > > > opposing Yahya Jammeh. He then turned and pointed out  another
> > friend he
> > > > said
> > > > has taken him in and was sharing what little he had with him. He
> > told
> > > > the
> > > > crowd he felt the only thing he could do for his friend who the
> > gov't
> > > > has
> > > > killed was to do all he can to bring about a regime change and
> > > > ultimate
> > > > justice for the victims. In a conservative town like Brufut, to
> > defy
> > > > one's
> > > > parents was a pretty traumatic thing for a high school kid to do,
> > but
> > > > this
> > > > chap did it because it was the right thing to do. We all have to
> > stand
> > > > for
> > > > those who can't readily stand for themselves. This whole idea of
> > us
> > > > being in
> > > > the Diaspora somehow making us detached frankly strikes me as a
> > canard.
> > > > I am
> > > > part and parcel of what happens to my country and to my people. My
> > own
> > > > mother
> > > > suspended medical treatment so that she can travel 300 miles to my
> > > > native
> > > > Georgetown to go an vote for President. I have a responsibility to
> > > > vindicate
> > > > the very purpose of her vote which was illegally diluted by
> > ineligible
> > > > voters
> > > > and other shenanigans.
> > > >      My objective is to work for the establishment of regime
> > composed
> > > > of
> > > > honorable people chosen by the Gambian people of their own
> > volition.
> > > > That
> > > > cannot be this regime under any circumstances. They are
> > irredeemable
> > > > criminals in my mind.
> > > > Karamba
> > > >
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