Bro Buharry:

Thank you, thank you, thank you! You have made the terrain more rugged
for our resident NAKED GYMNASTS. See how they maneuver their way
through this pole walk.

-Laye

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Momodou Buharry Gassama
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Suntou!
> I remember you praising Halifa for "standing up to the bully" after
> concurring with Modou Mboge in an earlier post that "the community
> leaders, the women leaders, political leaders etc are all mute but a
> few. The silence is killing." You even went further stating: "Modou,
> you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of
> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back
> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend the
> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in the
> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do you
> think will happen when they go to the Gambia?" That is why I have
> trouble reconciling those positions with your latest position on
> Halifa's stance insinuating that he had ulterior motives in "standing
> up to the bully" after all but a few of the leaders and Diasporans kept
> quiet. Do you see the contradictions? First, all but few of the leaders
> and others who should speak out against what was going on kept quiet
> and thus failed in their responsibilities. Then Halifa spoke and took a
> move that landed him at Mile Two and you praised him for "standing up
> to the bully". Now you claim that he had ulterior motives for "standing
> up to the bully". Can you please help me understand how you came to
> your conclusion? What do you base your insinuations on? I want to keep
> an open mind and maybe even re-evaluate my position on Halifa should
> you be able to throw some light on your claim that he had ulterior
> motives for doing what he did. Thanks.
> Buharry.
> P.S.
> Please find the posts I quoted from below.
> D.S.
> ------------------
> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]
> Date: 2009-03-11 23:18
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Halifa charged
> DESPERADO. The end is here. Bravo Halifa for standing up to the bully.
> Suntou
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]
> Date: 2009-03-10 16:42
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Halifa Sallah Arrested By Sam Sarr on 09-03-09
>
> Modou, an intersting statement: "Where are the elders of the country,
> the religious leaders, the community leaders, the women leaders,
> political leaders etc are all mute but a few. The silence is killing."
> M Mboge.
>
> Modou, you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of
> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back
> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend the
> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in the
> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do you
> think will happen when they go to the Gambia? they will simply be quiet
> also. reverse psychology.
> Some may hide behind 'I don't time and what have you'. It is bogus, we
> all make time for things that matters to us. and in this freedom news
> paper and Gambia echo era, many of us read the news. how do we do that?
> on the net. Modou you are right, the silence is killing. and for sure,
> Yahya marvel at the fact only a few write about his crimes. this is a
> moral boost for him.
> In U.K alone, i heard that more than 15 to 20 ex-military officers
> claimed asylum here. among this folks are former lieutenants and
> captains. They knew what is wrong with our army and how yaya use the
> army to get his way around. Apart from Alhagi kanteh and Binneh Minteh,
> which one do hear say anything? Lets us pray, But God/Allah require us
> to speak against injustice and suppression. We are the elders tomorrow,
> the elders now are quiet and many among us are quiet today even those
> whose immediate families have been harmed. Is this how the western
> society works? be silent over bad happenings, they speak out, even
> against children rights, women's rights, rapes, theft, murders, let
> alone politics. many speak but have no interest in holding political
> positions. let decency dictate.
> suntou
>
> ---------------------------------------
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: 2009-04-15 23:41
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subj: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>
> Jabou, not to bore anyone, i see Halifa as a politician, if you see him
> as something else, that is up to you. I cannot control your thought
> processes neither can't you control mine.
> So please, cut the deceit talk. this is political discussion, if anyone
> let it boil his/her blood, then you need to start seriously thinking
> about future topics on Halifa as a politician.
> This is no deceit folks, this is an opinion. it doesn't matter if
> anyone insult, that is expected in political exchanges.
> Deceit, that is a game of politicians especially those that have been
> in it for twenty year plus. As you said, "Gambians are waking up" we
> all hope so. You said some good things in our last exchanges, and some
> erroneous postings, i analyse them on face value. If i am the usual
> suspect in the Halifa questioning, then you guys are the usual
> defenders of the man. I see the usual names coming forward, what does
> that tell us?
> What is Halifa's future plans IE in politics? he did mentioned that, if
> he loose his Serrekunda seat, he was going to venture in Academia, i
> feel that, he can do both. thus allowing us to analyse his political
> career from Magi Eleg to Voice of the future and presently foroyaa,
> PDOIS and the defunct NADD. It is good opportunity to know the work of
> politicians. Obama too is coming under scrutiny, that is the spirit.
> Haruna has maintain his stance all along, that is defend what should be
> defended and question what need questioning. If that means, ENVY AND
> JEALOUSY, Jealousy of what?
> suntou
>
> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 4:27 PM
>
>
> Haruna,
>
> I know you and those of like mind are proving yourselves to be masters
> in the art to twisting good intentions into bad ones, or at least you
> are giving it all you can, but let me re-iterate that what i found
> amazing is your warped view regarding Halifa's intentiones and nothing
> else.You know you cannot  and will never be allowed to put words into
> my mouth, especially disingenous ones.
> Away with malicious deceit, especially when it is intended for those
> who do not deserve it and you know I am all for justice and fairness.
> I have called Suntou out before on his mission of deciet and malice
> against Halifa that he thinks he can disguise as civil discourse and he
> flatly denied it but here we go again.
> Jabou Joh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 8:30 am
> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>
>
>
> Evian,
>
> You're a beautiful man. Thank you also for copying what Jabou had
> shared about my notes. I will take the opportunity to address that for
> Laye and Jabou here.
>
> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM
> Jabou shared:
> [Haruna wrote:"It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS
> electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous
> rep orts and eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding." Wow!. Truly
> amazing.]
> Jabou Joh.
>
> Jabou, I'm glad you appreciate the above fact as "Truly amazing". The
> response was as onerous as the original crime. This world is full of
> mirages. In Halifa's case there is a confluence of mirages: One of
> conscience and the other of interest-peddling. The conscience part
> however triumphs over the interest-peddling part.
>
> [In a message dated 4/15/2009 8:15:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
>
>
>
> Jabou, Please excuse my grand dad for when the Tiger is in the Woods,]
>
> Evian I want you to know Tiger had already gone home when Suntou shared
> his Oped and the vultures began to descend on him. For no friggin
> reason. Trying to shut the man up.
>
> [he loses some of his reasoning faculties.] Evian.
> Do you really think yours truly skips a beat Evian? You jettison your
> own Grand-dad for PDOISard bantanbilly? Mbeemi, Achu! Atay watiladeh?
> Dang-Kutoo le bentehma. bahna!
>
> [Moreover, grand dad just cannot bring himself to give any due credit
> to Halifa.] Evian.
> Do y ou ever read or understand my notes on Halifa?? They are always
> chock-full of praise for Halifa's selfless efforts and circumspect and
> sobriety for the clueless PDOISdrones. They want to sweep us all up in
> their cluelessness. I am not a witch.
>
> [Why? Am yet to fully comprehend.] Evian.
> I gathered as much. You, like most other PDOISards will never be
> satisfied until I begin to worship Halifa for nought. It's in your
> bloods. Its not your fault that's why I never get upset with a
> PDOISard. E-bukay Taw. Alla La kaybaaroo Lom wolbayti. Ekoloobaliyaata,
> Ebuka-keybaa bunyaa! Ila Makkamol fanang mang Timma. Na Fitiyaye deng
> fitiyaye so. Na Lebintiman dem. Ndasimma Nke Nta Hayinni!!!
>
> [Bailo]
> How are you getting along in your new home? I hope great. Look forward
> to hearing you more often. You know your former employer is
> international should you not decide to change careers. Personally I
> think you are exceptionally well suited for that line of work. It
> screams out from your notes here and we are all proud of you.
>
> Haruna.
>
> --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM
>
>
> Haruna wrote:
>
> "It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS electoral fortunes
> that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous reports and eye-
> witness accounts of it not-withstanding."
>
> Wow!. Truely amazing.
> Jabou Joh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:21 am
> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>
>
>
> Laye, Good to hear you again.
>
> Allow me to chime in for a minute.
>
> I totally understand your sentiments vis-a-vis Halifa Sallah and I
> share some of those sentiments. I also understand Suntou's oped and I
> share some of his views. I am of equal opportunity grace. What I see is
> that we risk taking this conversation to the sentimental and ecumenical
> realm as is usually the case when we speak about Halifa, a man who
> aspires to lead Gambia through the political party PDOIS. I advise that
> we bear on sobriety.
>
> I take Suntou's oped as a fact-finding query given the fact that
> Gambians have a cynical view of politic king. Perhaps Suntou can yield
> greater perspective on politics in this query. He is not to be
> dismissed for sentimental reasons however. It is natural for a PDOISard
> to be up in arms when=2 0their party leader is questioned but consider
> that with the requisite temerity and discernments, the questioning,
> even if disdainful, can strengthen the leader as well as improve our
> lot as a people.
>
> I commend Halifa for embarking on a fact-finding mission into the witch-
> hunting saga as a human being. Witch-hunting is the veritable insult to
> our collective consciences and acumen, especially one sanctioned by
> Yahya, whose faculties are not readily discernible. You have posited,
> and appropriately, that the onus of fact-finding in such egregious
> matter is not the reserve of Halifa alone; to wit: "Halifa Sallah is
> not and should not be the only person of dignified conscience amongst
> the leaders or those who claim to be opposition leaders in Gambia. What
> he has done and gone through demonstrates to all and sundry that you, I
> and every human Gambian must not stand aside and look while your fellow
> Gambian and human is being humiliated in the most degrading manner."
> Laye, you will therefore agree with Suntou that all Gambians have been
> equally incensed by the saga, but that Halifa being the leader of PDOIS
> had wished to capitalize on common disdain to yield PDOIS greater
> fortune. I am reminded that there are others in PDOIS like Sam, Sidia,
> Amadou, Samba, Suleyman, who could have embarked on the same fact-
> finding, but were they to have been arrested, they do not stand an
> equal chance of relief as Halifa had. To whom much is given, much more
> is expected.  ;You will see that Halifa himself has shared in his
> defense of the erroneous charges levelled against him by an uncouth and
> clueless prosecutor, that he derived his rights from our common
> constitution and the fact that he is a leader of a political party. Any
> journalist can embark on the fact-finding mission and by dint
> of Halifa's association with the PDOIS party organ Foroyaa, he has
> added umph! These are some of the reasons you feel comfortable in
> comparing
>  Halifa to Gambia's other politicians who in your own words and
> disdainfully "claim to be opposition leaders in Gambia." You know what
> happens to journalists who embark on fact-finding missions including
> Foroyaa journalists. Politics therefore was a major factor in both
> enabling Halifa to embark on a fact-finding mission. Were he not leader
> of PDOIS, proprietor of Foroyaa, a respectable contributor to the pan-
> African parliament, he may have or may not have entertained the risks
> associated with fact-finding in Gambia.
>
> The broader picture therefore is that even though many Gambians are
> incensed with the witch-hunting grafignette, our political leaders,
> opposition or incumbent, are the ones most empowered to prosecute our
> collective disdains and anxieties. This means that politics is our
> legislative life. Whether Halifa engaged with ulterior=2 0political
> motives or not, is therefore immaterial to me. However, ordinary
> citizens are free to query his motives as much as they are free to
> express repulsion at Yahya's motives and pantomime. It is in the
> explanation and general disposition of PDOIS and Halifa that will yield
> attenuated fortunes.
>
> It is unwise to compare Halifa to our other opposition political
> leaders from both a human standpoint and from a colegial view. That I
> think will be the height of conceit and an insult to our collective
> intelligence. And it unfortunately furthers the strictly political
> motive of Halifa and PDOIS. You will realize that we did not get to the
> point of Yahya embarking on repulsive witch-hunting exercises in a
> vacuum. Life is ever so dynamic. Yahya was enabled somehow and I
> suppose that has escaped us. That is the schematics of politics that
> erodes most future and "pure" goodwill.
>
> What Suntou is trying to figure out, is whether there is salvage value
> in the preliminary steps taken by Halifa and whether Halifa can be
> instrumental in yielding that salvage value for commoner good. I submit
> that the best way to achieve that is by all of us enabling our other
> political leaders in APRC, UDP/NRP (NDP), PPP, GPP, and GDP to
> coordinate the prosecution of our legislative life as Gambians. The
> days of bunker politics are waning and there are signs everywhere for
> the astute. We did not see any amalgam of forces by our political
> leaders when20Taf-Taf Yahya bereft of Gardens stole Brufut Lands and
> dispossessed Brufutians, nor did we see the same when Halfdiens were
> unscrupulously dispossessed of their homes in the name of port
> expansion.=2 0Witch-hunting and circumstance is tantalizing and a gross
> violation of human rights. But so are the myriad precursor trespasses
> that enabled it. You will realize that Halifa is not easily amenable to
>  coordination of effort with other opposition parties. Glaring. The
> witch-hunting fact-finding could yield more tangible results if it were
> actively coordinated. But PDOIS is on a mission that does not seem to
> be common relief. It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS
> electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous
> reports and eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding. Halifa's
> initial statements on the saga betrays ignorance to warrant a fact-
> finding.
>
> That is all for now. - Haruna. Allez-y!!
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/14/2009 3:43:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> Suntu:
>
> Halifa Sallah is not and should not be the only person of dignified
> conscience amongst the leaders or those who claim to be opposition
> leaders in Gambia. What20he has done and gone through demonstrates to
> all and sundry that you, I and every human Gambian must not stand
> aside and look while your fellow Gambian and human is being humiliated
> in the most degrading manner.=2 0We should be thankful that we know in
> Halifa, ONE Gambian that will stand up to the brutalities of the
> regime and would rather die or languish in jail than to sit and see
> his fellow beings dehumanized in broad day light. To insinuate that
> Halifa was looking for personal or political gain in the exercise of
> liberating his conscience and dignifying the value of human life,
> smirks of debilitating ignorance and an insult to his and our
> conscience...God forbid!
>
> -Laye
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:08 AM,  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> An interesting oped to ponder Suntou. Discerner-in-Chief!!! I think
> Yahya
>> shot himself in the foot. And I'm worried about our two bad left-
> eyes. New
>> Kambians!!!! Haruna. You pamplemousse!!!
>>
>> In a message dated 4/13/2009 6:29:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>> Monday, 13 April 2009
>>
>> Halifa Factor In Gambia's Witch Hunt debacle
>>
>> By Suntou Touray
>> With the dust almost settled even though facts about the Gambiaââ?¬â
> ?¢s witch
>> hunting episode may all not be known, there=2 0is occasion to reflect
> over the
>> whole encounter. Men dressed in red raided settlements in search of
> witches.
>> They captured people of decent background and made them consume
> lethal
>> concoctions in the name of ridding them off witch craft spirits. Some
> of the
>> captives died. Large numbers still remain in biting pains, mostly
> deep in
>> their stomach.
>> Former Serrekunda East parliamentary member and sociologist Halifa
> Sallah
>> was last month arrested and detained at mile 2 prisons for over a
> week. This
>> was due to his decision to visit two villages over a witch hunting
>> incidence. Halifa after his release commented that he went on a fact
> finding
>> mission to the two villages. More accurately put he tried to proof
> whether
>> the witch hunting story was actually true or false.
>> Halifa was arrested afterward because the government felt that, he as
> an
>> ordinary citizen of the Gambia who seeking to impersonate the work of
> the
>> police or state security agents.
>> No doubt Halifa by all regards played brave by what he did. Why he
> did so
>> remains a question on wet lips.
>> Some people considered it a genuine move by Halifa to prove what
> others
>> thought a mere rumour. To others Halifa was in a publicity campaign
> for
>> himself and certainly scored political points whether he preferred
> using
>> that or not.
>> From what came out of the encounter Halifa made us all to know th at
> the
>> witch hunting story is real and the actions are sanctioned by Gambia
>> government.
>> What next after knowing the true story still a valid question for
> curious
>> onlookers. Will there be any lawsuit against the government for the
> unlawful
>> conduct o f humiliating and harassing innocent Gambians?
>> The witch hunting episode ended up projecting Halifa�s
> political profile at
>> higher levels. He was a victim of arbitrary arrest but that by itself
>> arrested the tormenting witch hunt at least until matters settled
> over
>> Halifa�s own arrest and brief detention. The whole saga
> eventually shifted
>> from the witch hunting focusing on Halifa. That earned him a high
> profile
>> victim of the unjust government crime of witch hunting.
>> Halifa made noise about the remote control Gambian constitution loud
> enough.
>> He defended his action by quoting various sections of the Gambian
>> constitution, a document he knows about inside out. Halifa knows too
> well
>> also that document is serving one man and one man only, Yahya Jammeh
> the
>> current Gambian head of state. Since many Gambians know for a fact
> that
>> document is not protecting their human rights for a number reasons
> one
>> wonders if there was any need for Halifa to labour over
> constitutionality
>> this fragrant government encounter with innocent citizens.
>> The gains of Halifa�s intervention can double20if he was to
> help the victims
>> pursue claims of damage resulting from such inhuman treatment. The
> victims
>> deserve good compensation.
>> The good efforts of Halifa placed him beyond the single position of
> flag
>> bearer PDOIS /NADD to the lofty point of standing tall for Gambian
> people in
>>20times of need. This is enough wakeup call for Gambians over length
> and
>> breadth of the country to resist the advances of witch hunters.
> Halifa can
>> draft a comprehensive law suit against the government as seen truly
> standing
>> up for the people. The point of departure would be the constitution,
> a book
>> fully in Halifa�s firm grips. Impeachment proceedings against
> the president
>> can be initiated, thus demonstrating severity human rights
> violations.
>> The law suits may not bear quicker results but to make the government
> pay
>> victims. Through that citizens will go long way in exposing the
> severity of
>> state organized crimes.
>> We await Halifa�s future actions concerning the witch hunting
> debacle.
>> Halifa�s political profile is undoubtedly boosted. Other gains
> exceed
>> individual political scores. Yahya should not have arrested Halifa in
> the
>> first place. The only reason one would think he ordered his arrest
> was to
>> cause wider divide among the ranks of the opposition.
>> Halifa�s followers have a talking point- our only saviour they
> would say.20He
>> emerged hero of the hour. His arrest has potential to change
> something.
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