Mawdo Momodou,
 
Thank you for your constructive rejoinder.
Like Uncle Suntou put it, I also acknowledge their tremendous efforts in seeing an informed Gambia, notably Nusrat (Bundung), Tahir (Mansakonko), and Nasir (Basse.) Not withstanding, it makes it all the way harder for assessment. But the fact remains their stance on Islam and certain beliefs they have are not helping for salvation, if purely we go by the Quran and the lifestyle of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH.) 
 
In my humble view, with due respect to all the forwarded arguments, they should have kept to the treaty at hand, i.e. seeking the approval of Supreme Islamic Counsel.  I have a fear that they have an agenda. In their pursuit of it, they will do anything to achieve their aims and objectives. In so doing, they would have succeeded in contaminating the long serving truth of guidance which over time served to guide people to righteousness with possession of true knowledge of faith. 
 
I also understand, it is hard to debate religion.  But true Islam commands that one believe wholly of the revelations of Allah (swt) and the sayings of Nabi-Muhammad (saw). Any disbelief of a part thereof equals “disbelief.” 
 
Here are some of the reasons why I personally think it should be subjected to further review and finally for authentication. 
 
-That correct measures were taking in translating it.
 
-That no verses were left out or added for personal interest, or propagation of ones’ lining.
 
-That regardless of their belief system, they have succeeded in presenting the message from its original version.
 
-That the standard of compilation or translation was uniformly observed.
 
-That such translators themselves understood the verses in their true context.
 
-That there was no interest for intentional distortion to suite ones’ personal agenda. That would mean recognizing the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Saw) that accompanied as commentary to some of the verses. 
 
-That they didn’t also hide their true beliefs to those followers or translators of theirs.
 
On a note Karim, it would be nice to hear from the professor-Sanneh. May be you can forward him the matter under discussion and have him opine on it. 
 
Any one here knows the whole details of their 'exchanges' with the late- (May Allah swt be pleased with him) vocal Imam Oustars Bunjeng?
 
'For True Islam'
Yero
 
 
 
 
 

 
> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:57:16 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> To: [log in to unmask]> > Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) ne> Ousman,> > Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) needs to look at the translations first before issuing any such directive. While I cannot argue the merits and demerits of the whole exercise of translating the Holy Quran into our local languages, I think the Ahmadis have made enormous strides in promoting Islam and Western education in The Gambia. > > If it is the SIC's role to authenticate such translations and if the Ahmadiyya are a member of the Council then I see no reason why the translations should not have been submitted for prior approval.> > Until 1983, there was no high school beyond the Greater Banjul Area other than Armitage. The Ahmadiyya Movement established the first high school in Basse, before moving onward to Mansakonko and other towns in provincial Gambia. Nusrat was already a much needed addition to the already congested high schools in Banjul.> > No single religious movement with the exception of the Roman Catholics has made such a significant impact on the education of the country.> > Though not an Ahmadi myself, I was personally involved in a project in> the mid 80s in translating suras of the Holy Quran into Pulaar. It is> interesting to note how far have they have gone in achieving that objective.> > Engaging the Ahmadis on the tenets of their dogma is one thing, questioning their efforts in increasing the mu'miniin in understanding the Holy Quran is quite a different matter.> > Momodou.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:37:51 PM> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> > > Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gam> Suntou,> > Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gambian> Ahmadis? If you do what part of it is misconstrued? The supreme islamic> council is using what is called in IT parlance "FUD" (fear, uncertainty> and doubt) to counter the announcement made by the Ahmadiyya community.> Wouldn't it be prudent if they took the time to read the translated text> to ascertain that nothing is awry before advising people against it.> How about the supreme islamic council coming up with their own> translations then. The Gambia is a secular state and if we intend to improve> upon that, we have to tolerate the religious leanings of our countrymen no> matter how misguided we think they are. > > > > > http://gambian.blogspot.com'>http://gambian.blogspot.com">http://gambian.blogspot.com> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 2:43:01 PM> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> > > thanks yero.Those are the tip of the ice bag .they have many other> things that their members at the fringes don't know ,but when you get> deep> in their affairs then they open up to you and by that time it is> normally too late to get out .i attended three conferences in London> one by> the ahamadiyas and two by those working to expose them.> it is indeed true that they help their registered members in every> academic pursuit .they can find convenient scholarships,funding,and> all> sorts of support .the registered member later pay back by means of> donations or other kindness to members.> > the feeling of responsibility to the movement or organisation trap> many inside who later discover the truth about them.> they operate similar to that of some so-call fundamentalist groups> .they interpret Islam according to their narrow understanding and then> trap a few gullible vulnerable individuals and then brain wash them> ,then> use them to do misguided things in the name of Islam.> > is am is about real knowledge and harmony .every situation have its> mode of solving according the Quran and sunnah .yet ,people prefer the> ideas of so-call leaders who them self are control by anti-islamic> elements .we need to learn our religion a bit .the ahamadiya are> failing> even in England where they are funded by the government to spread> across> the under-developed world .new Muslims know about them more we born> Muslims.> may Allah guide us all .amen.> > Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > > > > How dare?> 1. The Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH,> namely ‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the> fitnatul-dhazal/the anis Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the> coming of the Mahdi> (Imam of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about> the rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t> even pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.> > > > The name “Ahmadi” and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam> is not like other religions where they are named after their founders,> for e.g. Christianity after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism> after Judah et cetera. Verily the name of our true religion is Islam,> and> those that practice it Muslims. The best grip is the Quran and the> Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of> the> prophet-PBUH. > The fear is these Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their> personal agenda, in addition to distorting some of the verses. Then,> it> becomes truly unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic> activities> must be approved by the SIC, their move to publish it without consent> to the SIC violates that agreement. > Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and acceptance of the> tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes “There is no> compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it ended by> saying> “To you belong your religion, and ours belong to us.” But if the> Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people by> intentionally> distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to tighten their> belts> and battle their unacceptable deeds. > It remains to be seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng> continues many years after his death. > > > We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and his many accomplices.> We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show us the righteous path> and protect us from every evil omen, trial and difficulty. Whatever is> good for our souls as Allah willeth in this world and the hereafter,> so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in a state of pure> Islam> and make us die as believers. O Allah, do not return us to disbelief> after guidance and do not test us with a burden greater than we can> bear.> Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa Dhulzalal Ya RahmanYa> RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. > Date: Tue, 4> Dec> 2007 09:54:54 -0600> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: The> Ahmadis/rejoinder> To: [log in to unmask]> > By YJ> > > How> dare?> 1. The> Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH, namely> ‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the fitnatul-dhazal/the> anis> Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the coming of the Mahdi (Imam> of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about the> rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t> even> pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.> The name> “Ahmadi”> and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam is not like other> religions where they are named after their founders, for e.g.> Christianity> after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism after Judah et cetera.> Verily the name of our true religion is Islam, and those that practice> it> Muslims. The> best grip is the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God> SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of the prophet-PBUH. > The fear is these> Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their personal agenda, in> addition to distorting some of the verses. Then, it becomes truly> unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic activities must be> approved by> the SIC, their move to publish it without consent to the SIC violates> that agreement. > Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and> acceptance of the tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes> “There> is no compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it> ended by saying “To you belong your religion, and ours belong to> us.”> But if the Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people> by> intentionally distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to> tighten their belts and battle their unacceptable deeds. > It remains> to be> seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng continues many years> after his death. > We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and> his many accomplices. We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show> us the righteous path and protect us from every evil omen, trial and> difficulty. Whatever is good for our souls as Allah willeth in this> world> and the hereafter, so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in> a> state of pure Islam and make die as believers. O Allah, do not return> us to disbelief after guidance and do test us with a burden greater> than we can bear.> Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa> Dhulzalal> Ya RahmanYa RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. 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