Abdou,
Thanks for the link to professor Sanneh's page.
We Africans have for too long been the victims of those who come bearing gifts while they have a hidden agenda. Unfortunately, the majority of our people are poor and our leaders fail us, so it is easy for the wolf in sheep's clothing to succeed if they just use the time tested methods.
It also helps if one at least has a working knowledge about the basic tenets of Islam to enable one to know what is acceptable and what is not, what constitutes cultism and Bi'da, what clearly falls outside the tenets of the religion in a big way and how serious that is, and what does not.
Where ignorance about one's religion abounds, then it is easy for the people to fall prey to those whose
practices and beliefs fall outside of the religion.
Rgds,
Jabou Joh
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From: ABDOUKARIM SANNEH <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.
Folks
A good uncle and a Gambian citizen by birth did a good research and wrote
numerous books and article on Islamic and Christainity in West Africa.
Professor Lamin Sanneh with his background in classical Arabic, islamic history
and many other topical issue can be a source of advice for supreme islamic
council. Professoe Sanneh's link is asa follows:-
www.yale.edu/divinty/faculty/fac.lsanneh.shtml/
Mo Baldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) ne
Ousman,
Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) needs to look at the
translations first before issuing any such directive. While I cannot argue the
merits and demerits of the whole exercise of translating the Holy Quran into our
local languages, I think the Ahmadis have made enormous strides in promoting
Islam and Western education in The Gambia.
If it is the SIC's role to authenticate such translations and if the Ahmadiyya
are a member of the Council then I see no reason why the translations should not
have been submitted for prior approval.
Until 1983, there was no high school beyond the Greater Banjul Area other than
Armitage. The Ahmadiyya Movement established the first high school in Basse,
before moving onward to Mansakonko and other towns in provincial Gambia. Nusrat
was already a much needed addition to the already congested high schools in
Banjul.
No single religious movement with the exception of the Roman Catholics has made
such a significant impact on the education of the country.
Though not an Ahmadi myself, I was personally involved in a project in
the mid 80s in translating suras of the Holy Quran into Pulaar. It is
interesting to note how far have they have gone in achieving that objective.
Engaging the Ahmadis on the tenets of their dogma is one thing, questioning
their efforts in increasing the mu'miniin in understanding the Holy Quran is
quite a different matter.
Momodou.
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From: Ousman Ceesay
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:37:51 PM
Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.
Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gam
Suntou,
Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gambian
Ahmadis? If you do what part of it is misconstrued? The supreme islamic
council is using what is called in IT parlance "FUD" (fear, uncertainty
and doubt) to counter the announcement made by the Ahmadiyya community.
Wouldn't it be prudent if they took the time to read the translated text
to ascertain that nothing is awry before advising people against it.
How about the supreme islamic council coming up with their own
translations then. The Gambia is a secular state and if we intend to improve
upon that, we have to tolerate the religious leanings of our countrymen no
matter how misguided we think they are.
http://gambian.blogspot.com'>http://gambian.blogspot.com">http://gambian.blogspot.com
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From: SUNTOU TOURAY
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 2:43:01 PM
Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.
thanks yero.Those are the tip of the ice bag .they have many other
things that their members at the fringes don't know ,but when you get
deep
in their affairs then they open up to you and by that time it is
normally too late to get out .i attended three conferences in London
one by
the ahamadiyas and two by those working to expose them.
it is indeed true that they help their registered members in every
academic pursuit .they can find convenient scholarships,funding,and
all
sorts of support .the registered member later pay back by means of
donations or other kindness to members.
the feeling of responsibility to the movement or organisation trap
many inside who later discover the truth about them.
they operate similar to that of some so-call fundamentalist groups
.they interpret Islam according to their narrow understanding and then
trap a few gullible vulnerable individuals and then brain wash them
,then
use them to do misguided things in the name of Islam.
is am is about real knowledge and harmony .every situation have its
mode of solving according the Quran and sunnah .yet ,people prefer the
ideas of so-call leaders who them self are control by anti-islamic
elements .we need to learn our religion a bit .the ahamadiya are
failing
even in England where they are funded by the government to spread
across
the under-developed world .new Muslims know about them more we born
Muslims.
may Allah guide us all .amen.
Y Jallow wrote:
How dare?
1. The Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH,
namely ‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the
fitnatul-dhazal/the anis Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the
coming of the Mahdi
(Imam of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about
the rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t
even pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.
The name “Ahmadi” and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam
is not like other religions where they are named after their founders,
for e.g. Christianity after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism
after Judah et cetera. Verily the name of our true religion is Islam,
and
those that practice it Muslims. The best grip is the Quran and the
Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of
the
prophet-PBUH.
The fear is these Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their
personal agenda, in addition to distorting some of the verses. Then,
it
becomes truly unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic
activities
must be approved by the SIC, their move to publish it without consent
to the SIC violates that agreement.
Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and acceptance of the
tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes “There is no
compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it ended by
saying
“To you belong your religion, and ours belong to us.” But if the
Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people by
intentionally
distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to tighten their
belts
and battle their unacceptable deeds.
It remains to be seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng
continues many years after his death.
We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and his many accomplices.
We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show us the righteous path
and protect us from every evil omen, trial and difficulty. Whatever is
good for our souls as Allah willeth in this world and the hereafter,
so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in a state of pure
Islam
and make us die as believers. O Allah, do not return us to disbelief
after guidance and do not test us with a burden greater than we can
bear.
Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa Dhulzalal Ya RahmanYa
RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. > Date: Tue, 4
Dec
2007 09:54:54 -0600> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: The
Ahmadis/rejoinder> To: [log in to unmask]> > By YJ> > > How
dare?> 1. The
Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH, namely
‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the fitnatul-dhazal/the
anis
Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the coming of the Mahdi (Imam
of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about the
rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t
even
pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.> The name
“Ahmadi”
and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam is not like other
religions where they are named after their founders, for e.g.
Christianity
after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism after Judah et cetera.
Verily the name of our true religion is Islam, and those that practice
it
Muslims. The
best grip is the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God
SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of the prophet-PBUH. > The fear is these
Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their personal agenda, in
addition to distorting some of the verses. Then, it becomes truly
unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic activities must be
approved by
the SIC, their move to publish it without consent to the SIC violates
that agreement. > Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and
acceptance of the tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes
“There
is no compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it
ended by saying “To you belong your religion, and ours belong to
us.”
But if the Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people
by
intentionally distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to
tighten their belts and battle their unacceptable deeds. > It remains
to be
seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng continues many years
after his death. > We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and
his many accomplices. We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show
us the righteous path and protect us from every evil omen, trial and
difficulty. Whatever is good for our souls as Allah willeth in this
world
and the hereafter, so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in
a
state of pure Islam and make die as believers. O Allah, do not return
us to disbelief after guidance and do test us with a burden greater
than we can bear.> Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa
Dhulzalal
Ya RahmanYa RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. Amen.
> > > > >
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