ALL MUSLIMS ARE INFIDELS (KAFIRS)
Ahmadiyya Jamaat and their followers today pretend to be the champions of Islam, claiming to have exemplary character. They go to extra length to advertise that Muslims have labelled them Kaafir whereas they are very peace-loving sect of Islam, who has never labelled anyone KAAFIR. They raise the slogan: LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE. However in real life all these claims fly in the face. The founder of Ahmadiyya Movement, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, has this to say about the Muslims (non-Ahmadi Muslims) "Except for the CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in me and has accepted me."  (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)   "God has revealed to me that anyone to whom my message has reached and he has not accepted me , he is not a muslim." (Letter of Mirza to Dr. Abdul Hakeem Khan Patialvi)   "I have God's inspiration that he who does not follow you and will not enter your Ba'ith and remain your opponent, he is disobedient of God and His Prophet, Hellish." (Advertisement in M'ayaar-ul-Akhyar by Mirza Ghulam p.8)   "Thus remember as God has informed me, it is forbidden and absolutely forbidden to pray behind any disbeliever and hesitant; but is should be that your imam should be one of you." (Arbaeen No 3, Roohani Khazain vol.17 p.417 footnote)   Some one asked a question and Mirza has replied to it. Both are mentioned in his book, Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi. I quote: "Question: Huzoor-e-aali has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call KAFIR a Kalima-go (one who recites a Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except those Momineen who become Kafir by rejecting you, just by not accepting you no one becomes a Kafir. But you write to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and he has not accepted me, he is not Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and the statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiryaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you and now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir. Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator.... apart from this, he who does not accept me, he does not believe in God and His Prophet as well, because there is God's and his Prophet's prophecy regarding me"  (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.167)  "It is our obligation that we do not consider non-ahmadis as muslims and do not pray behind them, because for us they have rejected one prophet (Mirza Ghulam) of God. This is a religious matter and no one has any right to do anything in it."  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, by Mirza Mahmood, Khalifa 2, p.90)   "All muslims who are not included in the initiation of Maseeh Mowood, even if they have not heard the name of Maseeh Mowood, they are Kafir and out of the fold of Islam. I admit that these are my beliefs." (Aina-e-Sadaqat, by Mirza Mahmood, 2nd Khalifa, p.35)  
"Every one who accepts Moses but not Eesa or accepts Eesa but not Mohammad or accepts Mohammad but not Maseeh Mowood, he is not only Kafir but a hardened Kafir and is out of the fold of Islam. (Kalimat-alFasl by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam p.110)   Question: "Is it permitted to say May God Bless the departed soul, forgive him and send him to Paradise for a person who was not included in Ahmadiyyat?" Answer: "The KUFR of non-Ahmadis is proven by evident signs and it is not permitted to ask for forgiveness for non-believers (KUFFAR)."  (Al-Fazl Qadian vol.8, No. 59, 7th Feb 1921)   "Non-Ahmadis are the disbelievers therefore their funeral prayers should not be offered, but if an infant of non-ahmadi dies, why should we not pray his funaral prayer, he is not a disbeliever of Maseeh Mowood? I ask the inquirer, that if this is true than why don't we offer funeral prayer of a Hindu or a Christian child? How many people offer their funeral prayer?" (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Mirza Mahmood, 2nd Khalifa, p.93)   "It is the order of Hazrat Maseeh Mowood and firm order that no ahmadi should give his daughter to non-ahmadi. It is obligatory on every ahmadi to carry it out..... there is great loss in it, besides this marriage is not permitted." (Barakat-e-Khilafat by Mirza Mehmood p.73)   "Our prayers are separate from Non-ahmadis, it is forbidden to give our girls to them, we are stopped to offer their funeral prayers. Now what is left that we can participate with them? There are only two kinds of relations - religious and worldly. For religious relations, it is the gathering for prayers and for worldly relations, it is the marriage and both are forbidden for us." (Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam, Kalimat alFasl p.169)   "The point is now quite clear. If it is 'Kufr' (infidelity) to deny the Gracious Prophet (Muhammad pbuh), it must also be 'Kufr' to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Gracious Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad incarnate). If anyone is not deemed a Kafir for denying the Promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Gracious Prophet also cannot be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first birth as Prophet should be regarded as Kufr, but denying him in his (reincarnated) second birth as prophet should not be regarded as Kufr, when, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his (Mirza's birth as Muhammad incarnate) spiritual attainment is stronger, complete and severe." (Kalimatul Fasl, pages 146-147, as cited in the Review of Religions, dated March-April 1915)   "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad, or believes in Muhammad but does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but a 'pakka' (confirmed) Kafir, and (he is) out of the fold of Islam." (Kalimatul Fasl, page 110, by Mirza Bashir Ahmad, M.A.)   "All such Muslims who did not swear allegiance to the promised Masih (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian), even though they did not hear the name of the Promised Masih, are Kafir and debarred from the fold of Islam." (Aiena-e-Sadaqat, page 35, by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad Qadiani).
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/qadianism/all_muslims_are_infedils.htm> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:26:11 -0600> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> To: [log in to unmask]> > Mawdo Momodou,> > Thank you for your constructive rejoinder.> Like Uncle Suntou put it, I also acknowledge their tremendous efforts in seeing an informed Gambia, notably Nusrat (Bundung), Tahir (Mansakonko), and Nasir (Basse.) Not withstanding, it makes it all the way harder for assessment. But the fact remains their stance on Islam and certain beliefs they have are not helping for salvation, if purely we go by the Quran and the lifestyle of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH.) > > In my humble view, with due respect to all the forwarded arguments, they should have kept to the treaty at hand, i.e. seeking the approval of Supreme Islamic Counsel. I have a fear that they have an agenda. In their pursuit of it, they will do anything to achieve their aims and objectives. In so doing, they would have succeeded in contaminating the long serving truth of guidance which over time served to guide people to righteousness with possession of true knowledge of faith. > > I also understand, it is hard to debate religion. But true Islam commands that one believe wholly of the revelations of Allah (swt) and the sayings of Nabi-Muhammad (saw). Any disbelief of a part thereof equals “disbelief.” > > Here are some of the reasons why I personally think it should be subjected to further review and finally for authentication. > > -That correct measures were taking in translating it.> > -That no verses were left out or added for personal interest, or propagation of ones’ lining.> > -That regardless of their belief system, they have succeeded in presenting the message from its original version.> > -That the standard of compilation or translation was uniformly observed.> > -That such translators themselves understood the verses in their true context.> > -That there was no interest for intentional distortion to suite ones’ personal agenda. That would mean recognizing the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (Saw) that accompanied as commentary to some of the verses. > > -That they didn’t also hide their true beliefs to those followers or translators of theirs.> > On a note Karim, it would be nice to hear from the professor-Sanneh. May be you can forward him the matter under discussion and have him opine on it. > > Any one here knows the whole details of their 'exchanges' with the late- (May Allah swt be pleased with him) vocal Imam Oustars Bunjeng?> > 'For True Islam'> Yero> > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:57:16 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> To: [log in to unmask]> > Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) ne> Ousman,> > Just precisely my point. The Supreme Islamic Council (SIC) needs to look at the translations first before issuing any such directive. While I cannot argue the merits and demerits of the whole exercise of translating the Holy Quran into our local languages, I think the Ahmadis have made enormous strides in promoting Islam and Western education in The Gambia. > > If it is the SIC's role to authenticate such translations and if the Ahmadiyya are a member of the Council then I see no reason why the translations should not have been submitted for prior approval.> > Until 1983, there was no high school beyond the Greater Banjul Area other than Armitage. The Ahmadiyya Movement established the first high school in Basse, before moving onward to Mansakonko and other towns in provincial Gambia. Nusrat was already a much needed addition to the already congested high schools in Banjul.> > No single religious movement with the exception of the Roman Catholics has made such a significant impact on the education of the country.> > Though not an Ahmadi myself, I was personally involved in a project in> the mid 80s in translating suras of the Holy Quran into Pulaar. It is> interesting to note how far have they have gone in achieving that objective.> > Engaging the Ahmadis on the tenets of their dogma is one thing, questioning their efforts in increasing the mu'miniin in understanding the Holy Quran is quite a different matter.> > Momodou.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Ousman Ceesay <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 3:37:51 PM> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> > > Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gam> Suntou,> > Did you have a chance to read the translations produced by Gambian> Ahmadis? If you do what part of it is misconstrued? The supreme islamic> council is using what is called in IT parlance "FUD" (fear, uncertainty> and doubt) to counter the announcement made by the Ahmadiyya community.> Wouldn't it be prudent if they took the time to read the translated text> to ascertain that nothing is awry before advising people against it.> How about the supreme islamic council coming up with their own> translations then. The Gambia is a secular state and if we intend to improve> upon that, we have to tolerate the religious leanings of our countrymen no> matter how misguided we think they are. > > > > > http://gambian.blogspot.com'>http://gambian.blogspot.com">http://gambian.blogspot.com> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>> To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 2:43:01 PM> Subject: Re: The Ahmadis/rejoinder/typos rect.> > > thanks yero.Those are the tip of the ice bag .they have many other> things that their members at the fringes don't know ,but when you get> deep> in their affairs then they open up to you and by that time it is> normally too late to get out .i attended three conferences in London> one by> the ahamadiyas and two by those working to expose them.> it is indeed true that they help their registered members in every> academic pursuit .they can find convenient scholarships,funding,and> all> sorts of support .the registered member later pay back by means of> donations or other kindness to members.> > the feeling of responsibility to the movement or organisation trap> many inside who later discover the truth about them.> they operate similar to that of some so-call fundamentalist groups> .they interpret Islam according to their narrow understanding and then> trap a few gullible vulnerable individuals and then brain wash them> ,then> use them to do misguided things in the name of Islam.> > is am is about real knowledge and harmony .every situation have its> mode of solving according the Quran and sunnah .yet ,people prefer the> ideas of so-call leaders who them self are control by anti-islamic> elements .we need to learn our religion a bit .the ahamadiya are> failing> even in England where they are funded by the government to spread> across> the under-developed world .new Muslims know about them more we born> Muslims.> may Allah guide us all .amen.> > Y Jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > > > > > How dare?> 1. The Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH,> namely ‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the> fitnatul-dhazal/the anis Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the> coming of the Mahdi> (Imam of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about> the rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t> even pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.> > > > The name “Ahmadi” and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam> is not like other religions where they are named after their founders,> for e.g. Christianity after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism> after Judah et cetera. Verily the name of our true religion is Islam,> and> those that practice it Muslims. The best grip is the Quran and the> Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of> the> prophet-PBUH. > The fear is these Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their> personal agenda, in addition to distorting some of the verses. Then,> it> becomes truly unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic> activities> must be approved by the SIC, their move to publish it without consent> to the SIC violates that agreement. > Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and acceptance of the> tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes “There is no> compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it ended by> saying> “To you belong your religion, and ours belong to us.” But if the> Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people by> intentionally> distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to tighten their> belts> and battle their unacceptable deeds. > It remains to be seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng> continues many years after his death. > > > We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and his many accomplices.> We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show us the righteous path> and protect us from every evil omen, trial and difficulty. Whatever is> good for our souls as Allah willeth in this world and the hereafter,> so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in a state of pure> Islam> and make us die as believers. O Allah, do not return us to disbelief> after guidance and do not test us with a burden greater than we can> bear.> Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa Dhulzalal Ya RahmanYa> RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. > Date: Tue, 4> Dec> 2007 09:54:54 -0600> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: The> Ahmadis/rejoinder> To: [log in to unmask]> > By YJ> > > How> dare?> 1. The> Ahmadis believe there is a prophet after Nabi Muhammad-PBUH, namely> ‘Ghulam”2. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the fitnatul-dhazal/the> anis> Christ3. The Ahmadis don’t believe in the coming of the Mahdi (Imam> of the rightful prophets.)4. They have controversial views about the> rise and coming back of Esa ibn Mariam (Jesus)-PBUH5. They don’t> even> pray behind other Muslims other than an Ahmadis.> The name> “Ahmadi”> and “Ahmadians” are serious misnomers. Islam is not like other> religions where they are named after their founders, for e.g.> Christianity> after Christ; Buddhism after Buddha; Judaism after Judah et cetera.> Verily the name of our true religion is Islam, and those that practice> it> Muslims. The> best grip is the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran-words of Allah/God> SWT. The Sunnah-way of life of the prophet-PBUH. > The fear is these> Ahmadis might translate the Quran to suite their personal agenda, in> addition to distorting some of the verses. Then, it becomes truly> unacceptable. Since it was accepted that Islamic activities must be> approved by> the SIC, their move to publish it without consent to the SIC violates> that agreement. > Of course, there is greater need for tolerance and> acceptance of the tolerable and acceptable. Obviously a verse goes> “There> is no compulsion in religion.” /Quran. In Quranic chapter 109, it> ended by saying “To you belong your religion, and ours belong to> us.”> But if the Ahmadis’ efforts are to pollute the minds of the people> by> intentionally distorting the verses, it is a need for scholars to> tighten their belts and battle their unacceptable deeds. > It remains> to be> seen their long battle with vocal Oustars Bunjeng continues many years> after his death. > We seek refuge in God from the rejected Satan and> his many accomplices. We ask God for true guidance. We ask God to show> us the righteous path and protect us from every evil omen, trial and> difficulty. Whatever is good for our souls as Allah willeth in this> world> and the hereafter, so be it. O Allah, do not take our souls except in> a> state of pure Islam and make die as believers. O Allah, do not return> us to disbelief after guidance and do test us with a burden greater> than we can bear.> Ya AllahYa SamadYa KarimYa rabanaYa ghafurYa> Dhulzalal> Ya RahmanYa RaheemYa MalikThe best names belong to you, O Allah. 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