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I am very pleased pastor Warren brought the plight of orphaned children to  
the fore in his recently-hosted Saddleback Forum for the Presidency. I am  
disappointed the two candidates Obama and McCain did not seem to have a clue how  
to address the issue. Perhaps they have no appreciation of the emergency.
 
After we look at Orphaned children of Political refugees/asylees, I will  
endeavour to offer a broad perspective on the work of SOS Kinderdorf of the late  
great Hermann Gmeiner and where we and Yahya and our fellow Gambian citizens 
fit  in that 'ever-elusive' puzzle.
 
Haruna.
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2008 9:46:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Verily  Suntou,

Orphanage created by  separation/divorce is most pesky. We encourage  
marriage, especially  when children have already been conceived, but we also  
acknowledge  that the salvage value of some marriages according to the 
partners  in  
marriage warrants terminal divorce. The children of such divorces  are  
indemnified 
in such eventuality. And, any secours for such  children and needy  spouse 
could have the collateral effect of  reunited families.

You are quite right in that communal assistance  generally depends the whims  
of members of the Orphaned children's  family, clan, or immediate community 
and 
the scope of such assistance  depends not only on the capacity of the 
benefactors  but on other  relationship-calculus. Meanwhile, the orphaned 
children 
still need   secours for value-life.

I understand that children orphaned by a  parent/s who are on scholarship  
overseas, volunteering with an NGO,  gainfully employed by corporations, or  
who 
are economic refugees  overseas, do have discretionary lattitude in ensuring  
the continued  sustenance of their children or reuniting their families. It 
still 
remains  that many a children are orphaned in such situations. Therefore, any 
 
regime of secours, albeit transitional, must take into consideration  
delinquent  parents. For it is the children who will be the main  focus. 
Perhaps 
effort to  negotiate between such parents and family  members could form part 
of the 
secours  if the period of orphanage  exceeds a certain Flux (30-40 days). 
What 
do you  think?

I  have read your notes on spouses who leave wives behind and wander the   
earth as economic refugees. However, I was not aware of your notes  on  
parents who 
leave children behind. Perhaps you could kindly share  that with  us as part 
of this conversation.

I understand you  to view Orphans of deceased parent/s to be more important  
than other  types of orphans. I would caution such comparative assessment. 
This   
is perhaps why some programs for orphans lack the requisite address.  The  
reason is that an orphan is one who lacks the minimum parental  nurturing  
and 
support. We recognize that even children orphaned by  the death of one or  
both 
parents do grow up to attain majority age,  or as you advised, may obtain  
the 
requisite nurturing and support  from other family or community members.  
Indeed 
are better off than  some orphans of divorced parents or  politically-exiled 
parents, the  latter of which could be our next  sub-topic.

Suntou, you share  some serious commentary and I encourage you to propose  
some regime  of secours to your imam both in Coventry and Gambia and 
encourage   
your friends and family to do likewise. Should our conversation here yield  
some  
added secours, I hope you will be an integral part of, and  participant to  
such.

Haruna.
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In a message dated 7/1/2008 4:52:28 A.M. Mountain  Daylight Time,  
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Haruna,   the angles you highlighted are very important. orphans are not in  
the  situation of death but also through divorce and other peculiar  
engagements. 
from the perspective i see it is that, communal assistant  goes with family  
ties and close friendship. in our context as  Gambians, one may find it  
difficult to categorise men/women who are  away from their children for years 
 as 
orphan children. i have  highlighted that in the commentary i did on  
"Gambian 
immigrant in  U.S" some of our brothers leave young children and alas  they 
never  
witness the growth of this children, the families .extended family   look 
after 
this kids. but the most important of orphans are orphans  through  the usual 
understanding, that is death. as i am writing  this, two more  Gambians has 
passed away in the U.K. one in  Manchester and another in Crowley.  i don't 
know 
the names yet, but i  attended emergency meeting today to raise  fund for the 
deceased  Kalifa saidykhan in Coventry. so understanding orphanage  is
very  important. keep up the enlightenment. May God bless the soul of  this  
two Gambians. amen.


This conversation has taken us   through an identification of who orphaned 
children are. We have  narrowed  our focus to a critical Flux term reserved 
for  
bereavement. That is  normally between 30-40 days or until the  monogamous 
spouse 
re-marries. The  perspective is to devise a  plan of secours that encourages 
family cohesion  and reunions, and  discourages divorce or singular life. The 
Flux  period/term is  underpinned in religio-traditional lore and therefore 
will  
be  worthwhile to investigate what assistance regime churches and mosques   
have 
in place for such secours. Any considerations we make here will  help  to 
augment those programs and where non-existent, we encourage  congregants  to 
propose 
it to their church, mosque, or  synagogue.

In the area of  Orphanage which is a result of a parent  or parents separated 
from their  families due to assignments, work,  scholarship, or volunteer 
work 

overseas, it is safe to say that that  falls more under the purview of the  
individual concerned and the  NGO, employer, and or benefactor. It is  
sometimes 
hard to turn  down a lucrative job assignment, scholarship, or  volunteer 
work  
overseas especially for citizens of developing countries.  However,  if we 
are 
married or have children, it is only prudent that we   insist on some 
accomodation, in writing, from employers, benefactors,  or  NGO's, for a 
schedule of 
re-uniting with our family not to  exceed a period  of one year. I understand 
that 
some employers  and NGO's already take such  responsibilities into 
consideration but  it may be harder for educational  benefactors especially  
non-governmental scholarships. In such cases, and  as part of your  
negotiation, you are best 
advised to negotiate for on  campus or  part time work and possibly airfare 
to 
visit your family at  least  once a year. The part time or on-campus work is 
to 
enable you to   still support you familial responsibilities and other 
incidental   expenses.

Some of us volunteer with NGO's as one of my brothers  is  doing now in 
Darfur 
as am sure many are doing. It is comforting  to know  that NGO's incorporate 
considerations for our own families  we leave behind  as we lend a hand to 
others around the world who are  suffering. I advise  all NGO's to consider 
such if 
they haven't  already and to encourage family  cohesion, to afford volunteers 
 
family leaves at least once every six  months. If the duration of  
volunteering 
will last longer than 3 years, I  recommend rotating  volunteers in much the 
same way as soldiers serving  overseas are  rotated. Soldiers, whether 
peace-keeping or war-making or  defensive,  fall under the purview of 
governments and 
multi-lateral  agencies  so we will not consider soldiers in this 
conversation.

It   therefore appears that work or scholarship-exiled Parent/s have enormous 
  
lattitude and secours for their families. We have now removed such   children 
from our consideration of Orphaned children. We can turn  our  attention to 
Orphanage caused by Political-exile.

Haruna.  I yield  for ideas/suggestions/other views.
In a message dated  6/27/2008 7:16:52  P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
[log in to unmask]  writes:

Thank you  Suntou.

You have, perhaps unawares,  further advanced the conversation.  I caution 
against limiting  orphanage to ONLY the absence of the father. I  was at 
great  

pains to not yield to that albeit impressive angle. That  said, I  want to 
commend 
you for bringing up an important point   viz:
"i am proud of many Gambian brothers who are divorce with spouses  but  still 
take turns to look after their kid's. that is also another  important  
thing." 

Suntou.

I will only add 'sisters' where  you have  brothers but the anecdote points 
us 
in this if  transitional direction  in the conversation to yield secours  -

Most communities of folk have  traditions of assistance to  orphaned children 
who have lost one or both  parents. Even though  this does not readily 
address 
orphans of exiled  or estranged  parents, it is worth our while to inventory 
what resources we   already have on the ground and expand on those. That is 
why 
what  you  shared is so valuable.

I understand that in Wollof, Mandinka,  Jola,  Fula, Sarahule, Toucouleur, 
bedouin, Moor, Touareg and Serer  traditions,  when a father is deceased, one 
of 
his brothers,  cousins, or another  member of his family undertakes to 
nurture  
his bereaved wife and  children. This tradition however is  quasi-religious 
and 
part ethnic.  In Christian communities, I do  not know of a specific 
tradition 
for a  brother, cousin, or  family member to re-marry the bereaved wife of 
their  kin. However,  the kind Christian heart does offer secours for the 
bereaved   
family only the wife either becomes a widower for life or is free to   
re-marry 
as she so chooses. Both safety nets are valuable for  they  provide a 
semblance of stability and haven for the children. So  in effect,  there is 
some 
structure of continued support for the  children and  bereaved wives. Now 
then, when 
the mother is  deceased, the father is  generally free to re-marry n'importe 
qui (as  he desires) but advised to  marry a wife who will be diligent in  
nurturing the orphaned children as is  reasonable within their means.  More 
often, the 
death of one or both  parents diminishes the  family's resources 
significantly 
to a point  where despair sets  in. Other times, the man is married to other 
wives with  whom he has  children. In such cases, we must redouble our 
efforts 
as  'other  wives' to accept such children as our own and nurture them the 
best   
way possible. Some such communities may have a tradition of allocating  the  
children to the wives for shared secours.

It appears  therefore that  it is the diminished resources of the bereaved 
wife  or husband that we  ought to focus on to find additional support. At  
least 
until they  re-marry. This transitional period can mean the  difference 
between  
continued valuable life and death. For  example; the brother who, by  
tradition, 
must offer secours for  the bereaved children and wife, may  himself already 
be struggling  for food, home, nad education for his own  children but out of 
honour  and respect, cannot refuse to take in the  bereaved family. The  
bereaved 
father has more discretionary lattitude  but still may  need a critical 
helping 
hand during the transitional  period of  loss of the mother and when he 
re-marries. We can see that in  all  cases, the transitional period which I 
will call 
the Flux term  for  brevity, is common to all. While re-marrying can be 
encouraged,  the  children still need help during Flux. Most traditions have 
a  period 
of  bereavement for the wife (not sure if this is true for the  husband),  
generally between 30 - 40 days. Perhaps for those  traditions, a focus on  
Flux 
Secours can be valuable.

Now  none of what we have  discussed so far has bearing on the orphans of  
exiled or estranged  parent/parents.

I yield now for  more  ideas/suggestions/views.

Haruna. 




In a  message dated  6/27/2008 7:59:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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haruna, interesting. your human  side is amazing. i wrote a poem  about 
children who grow up only with  their mothers, i haven't publish it  yet. i 
am proud 
of many  Gambian brothers who are divorce with spouses  but still take turns  
to 
look after their kid's. that is also another  important thing.  
unfortunately, 
two years ago, i was in touch with an  American  lady who had a child with a 
Gambian but the marriage ended and  the  man moved away, the lady was looking 
for a Gambian to connect the   child.
you raised valid points masoud.

Haruna Darbo wrote:
I  have  been wondering about the affairs and plight of children who have  
lost  

one or both parents. The query brought me to a need to  identify such  
children. Help me out if you can please.

I am  inclined to describe  orphaned children as follows:

1. Those  children who have lost a Father  and or Mother.
These children span  all ages, from the baby who is nursing  and suddenly 
robbed of his or  her parent/parents, to the adolescent who is  on the verge 
of  
taking epochal matriculation exams, to the adult who  has relied on  his or 
her 
children's grandparents to nurture his or her  own  children. It runs the 
gamut. 
Suddenly there is not the person  who  calls you in from play when darkness 
descends or to call you to  prayer.  The one who answers the principal's 
summons 
when you run  roughshod of  school rules or to receive your teacher's 
personal  
commendation for  your good work. The one you share with your friends  when 
you 
take  turns boasting about your pedigrees. The one who  recognizes you must 
see  
a doctor/dentist when you begin losing  your first teeth. The one who brags  
to 
other parents about you  or solicits counsel for you. The one who  takes you 
fishing, hunting,  canoeing, tree-climbing, or on your first  ferry-ride. The 
one who  cleans your nose in her mouth. The one who defends  you when other  
errant parents want to pin juvenile crimes on you in  deference to  their own 
knuckleheads. The one who tells you not to climb  out the  window when he or 
she 
goes to sleep just so you can join you   friends at the Jafandu party. 
Reminiscences. Life support.

2.  Those  children who are abandoned if only temporarily.
These children  have at one  point in their lives or for all their lives 
dealt  
with one or both  parents going away for further studies with the  hope of 
reunion (which  desire is oft overtaken by other  consideration and 
intervening 
time  and events) or exiled by  rogue governance, or overseas  appointments.

Perchance, there is  some way to yield such children  relief and afford them 
a  
semblance of stability and continued  value-life. Some of these  parents may 
have been the sole breadwinners of  the family or may  have been married to 
one 
or more wives the latter of  whom are  themselves at the precipice of hunger, 

despair, and possibly   suicide.

I encourage my friends here to consider these children  and  elevate the 
conversation to some meaningful secours as only the  mighty and  
conscientious 
of 
Ellen might be capable of. I now  yield for other  view/suggestion/ideas.

Thank you my friends and  fambul.
Haruna.   









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