Ginny,
Culture may be poor choice of word but some kids are sent back for
education, learn about family, language or craft.
Malanding
Ginny Quick wrote:
> Hello, Malanding, sending kids "back home to learn the culture"? Is
> there really that much difference between Gambian culture and those of
> other neighboring countries? Now don't get me wrong, I'm not silly
> enough to think that everything is homogeneous, however, is The Gambia
> so much different that a parent from, say Mali, would feel the need to
> send their child "back home to learn the culture"?
>
> Perhaps I could see it if we were talking about Nigeria or Ghana, or
> countries farther afield in Africa.
>
> I really feel as though I'm putting my ignorance on display here,
> however, it seems that there are enough nuances and differences
> between the countries you mentioned that, even though many "melt into
> Gambian culture and become Gambian", others do not, and that there's
> enough of a difference perceived that parents would send thier kids
> back home.
>
> I'd be interested in learning and trying to understand these nuances.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
> On 3/26/09, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Ginny,
>> I can not pretend to be an expert on how people earn citizenship or
>> nationality in The Gambia but would like to note the following: Until
>> recently (1990s) regulations on birth registration, citizenship or
>> nationality were not seriously enforced. This meant that many from
>> neighboring countries particularly Mali, Guinea Conakry, Guinea Bissau
>> and Senegal, given their ethnic and cultural ties come and go as they
>> pleased. Some of these folks settled and had families. While some chose
>> to melt into the Gambian culture, others decided to stay their way and
>> even sent their kids "back home" to their native countries to learn the
>> culture. The opposite is true for Gambians who travel to other
>> neighboring countries.
>> I do not know where Pap Saine falls in this but he has been a public
>> figure in The Gambia since early 1970s as a DJ at Radio Syd. Since his
>> days at Radio Syd DJ to co-founder and manager of The Point newspaper,
>> Pap lived Gambian. The question is what does it take to be a Gambian?
>>
>> As for the way forward, the Gambian society must be able to regularize
>> or resolve some of these longstanding issues without resorting to the
>> courts. This could be any number of ways including amnesty to all those
>> who can prove that they have been continuously living in The Gambia
>> before the enforcement of birth registration or naturalization rules.
>>
>> Malanding
>>
>>
>> Ginny Quick wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Malanding, you make a good point here. It's a lot easier to
>>> question the nationality of people, if they don'thave what are deemed
>>> to be "official" birth certificates. Although my thinking is that in
>>> today's Gambia, there is no standard. The standard/law is whatever
>>> Jammeh wants it to be, on whatever given day, and the goal posts are
>>> always changing.
>>>
>>> What qualified as citizenship today, could change tomorrow, acccording
>>> to his whims and caprices.
>>>
>>> Just a thought...
>>>
>>> However, would you happen to have any suggestions for how something
>>> like this can be dealt with? Because unfortunately, I have none, and
>>> I really don't like highlighting a problme without also trying to put
>>> forward a solution for it.
>>>
>>> Ginny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/26/09, Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder how many Gambians over 40yrs of age can produce a hospital
>>>> issued birth certificate? How many of the current leadership can produce
>>>> a birth certificate issued within 1 month of their birth? It will be
>>>> tragic should those in power drag The Gambia into xenophobia and
>>>> intolerance. Perhaps we should take time and learn from Cote d'Ivoire.
>>>>
>>>> Malanding Jaiteh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pap Saine’s Nationality Trial Opens
>>>>
>>>> <http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/pap-saines-nationality-trial-opens#map>africa
>>>> <http://thepoint.gm/africa/news> » gambia
>>>> <http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/news>
>>>>
>>>> Thursday, March 26, 2009
>>>>
>>>> The trial of Mr Pap Saine, Co-publisher and Managing Editor of The Point
>>>> newspaper, opened yesterday at the Banjul Magistrates’ Court before
>>>> Magistrate Lamin George.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Pap Saine is standing trial on two counts of obtaining registration
>>>> by false pretence and obtaining Gambian passport by false declaration.
>>>> He has since denied the charges.
>>>>
>>>> On Count One, it is alleged that Pap Saine some time in the year 1994 in
>>>> the city of Banjul knowing to be a non-citizen of the Gambia unlawfully
>>>> procured and obtained a Gambian birth certificate No: CLP 289 by false
>>>> pretence and thereby committed an offence.
>>>>
>>>> On the second count, Pap Saine on or about the 21st May 2007 at the
>>>> Immigration Headquarters in the city of Banjul by false declaration
>>>> obtained a Gambian passport No PC 183902 for himself and thereby
>>>> committed an offence.
>>>>
>>>> Testifying, the first prosecution witness, Inspector Sainey Ndure, told
>>>> the court that he is a police officer attached to the Major Crime Unit,
>>>> Police Headquarters. He said he could identify the accused Pap Saine and
>>>> that he could recall the 9th February 2009. He added that on the day in
>>>> question he was at the major crime unit where he was assigned to
>>>> question and obtain statements from the accused, Pap Saine, in respect
>>>> of his nationality. He adduced that during the obtaining of the
>>>> statement he was with the accused, Pap Saine, and an independent witness
>>>> and the Accused’s solicitor.
>>>>
>>>> He said after taking his particulars, the cautionary wording was read to
>>>> the understanding of Pap Saine in English.
>>>>
>>>> Further adducing evidence, Inspector Ndure told the court that Mr Pap
>>>> Saine signed the cautionary statement and the independent witness also
>>>> signed, adding that the accused Pap Saine wrote his own statement.
>>>>
>>>> He said the independent witness also read the statement and signed it
>>>> thereafter. The said statement was later tendered in court as exhibit.
>>>> He said he too endorsed the statement subsequently, as the officer who
>>>> cautioned the accused. He revealed that Pap Saine was asked to produce
>>>> his citizenship documents. He revealed that prior to asking Pap Saine to
>>>> produce his citizenship documents he was asked of his nationality and he
>>>> said that he is a Gambian. He stated that Mr Pap Saine produced copies
>>>> of his passport, Identification Card, Voter’s card and birth
>>>> certificate. The documents were later tendered in court as exhibits
>>>> respectively.
>>>>
>>>> In cross examination, defence counsel Antouman Gaye asked the witness
>>>> whether there were other documents produced by the accused. The witness
>>>> replied that these were the only documents the accused produced. Further
>>>> asked whether the accused did not produce a copy of his father’s
>>>> passport and title deed of number
>>>>
>>>> 42 Gloucester Street
>>>>
>>>> , the witness replied in the negative. Defence Counsel Gaye also asked
>>>> the witness whether the accused’s father’s passport and title deed are
>>>> not in the possession of Mr Malamin Ceesay, OC major crime and Mr Correa
>>>> an immigration officer. The witness replied, “ I was never informed”. At
>>>> this juncture Lawyer Gaye put it to the witness that the said documents
>>>> are in the possession of Malamin Ceesay and Mr Correa. PW 1 maintained
>>>> that he did not know. At yesterday’s sittings The Point boss was
>>>> represented by Lawyers Antouman Gaye, Hawa Sisay Sabally, Momodou Musa
>>>> Drammeh and Haddy Gaye, whilst the prosecution was represented by Cadet
>>>> Inspector Amadou Keita.
>>>>
>>>> The case was adjourned to April 8th, 2009.
>>>>
>>>> Author: *Modou Sanyang*
>>>> Source: *Picture: Pap Saine (Point's Boss)*
>>>>
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