On 4/24/06, Modou Mboge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>  Mr Jatta,
>
> I really admire your patience in continuing this so-called debate.  It
> seems you are trying to have a honest debate but the one you are engaging is
> preoccupied with a delusionary monologue.  You've been very clear and coming
> up with very interesting arguments and questions, but my friend the guy on
> the other side does not seem understand or maybe perhaps something is wrong
> with his faculties.
>
> I hope at some point you will get the answers to your questions.   Good
> luck!
>
>
> Mboge
>
>
> On 4/24/06, Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Jatta:
> >
> > In answering your question, when Daboe and Hamat left NADD and formed a
> > UDP/NRP alliance,
> > it took NADD over two weeks to select a flagbearer.   In keeping with my
> > profession, I was
> > concerned about Halifa's objectivity during the nomination process.  I
> > thought the coordinator
> > should have been neutral in selecting a candidate.  Please correct me if
> > I am wrong with this
> > assessment.  How could he ended up being the nominee?
> >
> > I believe I should remain neutral until mediation is entirely exhausted.
> > I believe also that UDP/NRP alliance supports capitalism, and I don't
> > know whether
> > Halifa still believes in Socialism.  If he does, or any form of
> > Socialism, I am afraid that will
> > be contrary to my economic doctrine.  I hope this answers your question.
> >
> > Please continue this debate.
> >
> > Naphiyo,
> > Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Lamin Jatta <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Apr 24, 2006 5:19 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: HISTORY OF POLITICAL VINDICTIVENESS IN THE GAMBIA
> > >
> > >Mr. Conteh,
> > >  My question was not answered. My question was:
> > >
> > >  I assume you are a UDP supporter, and you were once a NADD supporter
> > so  I will ask you; why did you give your back to NADD just because
> > Darbo  walked out. What did Darbo offer to you and Gambians that is in not
> > in  NADD's program?
> > >
> > > I think answering this question truthfully  will help us in the so
> > called mediation you are advocating. Matter of  fact, to me, mediation
> > occurs when two parties have a conflict or  disagreement.
> > >  Jatta
> > >
> > >Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:  Mr. Jatta:
> > >
> > >At this critical moment in our struggle, I believe it is wise to call
> > for
> > >a mediation.  Each side has a vital role to play, and thus, I believe
> > in all
> > >sincerity for both sides to meet, than calling on one side
> > >to come and join. Diplomacy should be the trend.
> > >
> > >I hope and pray the devil that divided us can be exterminated for
> > >best interest of the Gambia.  If we have two candidate against Jammeh,
> > >a vote for either will be a vote for Jammeh.   I hope this does not
> > >happen.
> > >
> > >Naphiyo,
> > >Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Lamin Jatta
> > >
> > >>Sent: Apr 23, 2006 3:57 AM
> > >>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>Subject: Re: HISTORY OF POLITICAL VINDICTIVENESS IN THE GAMBIA
> > >>
> > >>Mr. Conteh
> > >>  I also appreciate your time and constructive debate.  You asked:
> > >>
> > >>Do you really think it is in our best interest to have two opposition
> > >>  candidates against Jammeh?  Is there a way for us to compromise?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  I think this question should be redirected to Ousainou Darbo because
> > he  was the one who created the two opposition parties. I do not know
> > what  you mean by the word "compromise." No body forced Ousainou Darbo out
> > of  NADD. NADD leaders have always insist that Osainou and co should
> > see  reason and come back on board to free the Gambian people. I assume
> > you  are a UDP supporter, and you were once a NADD supporter so I will
> > now  ask you why do you change your heart for NADD just becuause
> > Darbo  walked out. What did Darbo offer to you and Gambians that is in not
> > in  NADD's program.
> > >>
> > >>  Really I appreciate your mature debate sir.
> > >>  Naphio Mr. Conteh.
> > >>Jassey Conteh  wrote:  Mr. Jatta:
> > >>
> > >>Do you really think it is in our best interest to have two opposition
> > >>candidates against Jammeh?  Is there a way for us to compromise?
> > >>We cannot continue to be divided.  Because if we do, we will
> > >>certainly fail.
> > >>
> > >>We do not want to wake up after the election and start blaming
> > >>each other.  This is the time for us to reach out and find a common
> > >>ground.
> > >>
> > >>I thank you for your continuous objective debate.  This is what we
> > >>need on Gambia L.
> > >>
> > >>Naphiyo,
> > >>Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: Lamin Jatta
> > >>
> > >>>Sent: Apr 21, 2006 3:00 PM
> > >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>Subject: Re: HISTORY OF POLITICAL VINDICTIVENESS IN THE GAMBIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Mr.  Conteh, I have not seen any group failed because they shun
> > opportunism  and hypocrisy for honesty, decency and democracy.
> > >>> I am not  sure of what you mean by saying we need to objectively
> > evaluate and  exhaust the MOU. As far as I am concern all what NADD did in
> > the  selection process was done in accordance with the MOU. Osainou
> > Darbo's  himself did not put up any genuine reason for leaving NADD. He did
> > not  say the MOU was not followed. He said there was a lack of trust in
> > the  leadership. Which to me is a very flimsy reason for a man who want
> > to  lead Gambia. Osainou should have demonstrated courage and
> > resilient  when it is much needed and not give in because of a so called
> > lack of  trust.
> > >>> I do not think NADD needs any outsider to lead them.  Halifa is all
> > they need to to defeat Jammeh and safely deliver our  country into a
> > democratic, progressive, and enlightened society. I do  not understand why
> > Osainou Darboe don't want to allow any body to lead  him. To me really his
> > hasty resignation from NADD simply demonstrated  arrogance and lack of good
> > judgment.
> > >>>  Good debate Mr. Conteh.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Jassey Conteh  wrote:  Mr. Jatta:
> > >>>
> > >>>We will fail if we continue to exhibit such behavior.  I believe we
> > need to mediate
> > >>>in resolving this confusion.  We need to objectively evaluate and
> > exhaust the MOU.
> > >>>I believe it contains a primary clause.
> > >>>
> > >>>But before we call for a primary, we need to mediate objectively.  Is
> > it possible
> > >>>to get a third candidate who does not have affliation with neither
> > party?  If that
> > >>>is not possible, I believe the opposition should hold a primary.
> > >>>
> > >>>I also need to know where NADD and UDP/NRP stand in terms of fiscal
> > and
> > >>>economic policies.  I will not support a party that advocates
> > socialism.
> > >>>This doctrine is dead and gone with.
> > >>>
> > >>>Naphiyo,
> > >>>Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: Lamin Jatta
> > >>>
> > >>>>Sent: Apr 21, 2006 4:41 AM
> > >>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>>Subject: Re: HISTORY OF POLITICAL VINDICTIVENESS IN THE GAMBIA
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Mr. Conteh, our drive to replace the regime of president Jammeh
> > should  not be compromised by hypocrisy and opportunism. If that happen,
> > we  will replace this regime with even a worse one. To avoid that
> > scenario,  it will be prudent that we adhere to the principles of
> > democracy,  honesty and decency. This is the only way we can represent a
> > higher  ground in the struggle. Embracing individuals who put their name
> > in  disrepute after helping Jammeh to victimized innocent Gambians is
> > not  something we should be keen on doing.
> > >>>> All we need to  replace Jammeh at this crucial juncture is a united
> > opposition under  the umbrella of Nadd led by Hon Halifa Sallah. You guys
> > can help by  convincing Osainou Darbo and co to come back to Nadd. This is
> > the only  surest way to victory for us.
> > >>>>  Lamin Jatta
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Jassey Conteh  wrote:  Mr. Jatta:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>This is the type of debate we need on Gambia L.  It is fruitful for
> > >>>>us to debate constructively.  I commend you for your stance.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>I disagree with your assertion.  I do not think we can achieve
> > >>>>our objectives if we fail to embrace Jammeh's former friends
> > >>>>whose rights are violated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>One question I have for you is:  At the end of the day will
> > >>>>Jammeh still not be in power if we continue to shut the
> > >>>>door on his former friends?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Naphiyo,
> > >>>>Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> > >>>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>From: Lamin Jatta
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Sent: Apr 18, 2006 2:19 PM
> > >>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>>>Subject: Re: HISTORY OF POLITICAL VINDICTIVENESS IN THE GAMBIA
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>"No Gambian should dance and clap for Jammeh when he intimidates,
> > >>>>>  tortures, and jails even their worst enemies." -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  Mr. Conteh not when they shared the bed with the devil incarnate.
> > Yusu  Ndure said, "WONN MA SA HARRIT MA WAX LA SA JIKKO" Translates: show
> > me  your friend and I describe your personalities. Mr. Conteh in life,
> > God  has given us the mental capability to deliberate among
> > alternatives  choices. Meaning he enable us to know good choices from bad
> > ones. If  you decide to go for an evil choice, you should be ready to accept
> > the  ultimate consequence. If These so call victims chose to work with
> > the  devil to empower him and thereby enabling him to unleash his
> > atrocities  on innocent people, don't you think it is just fair to say that
> > their  hand are as smear with innocent blood just as the ring leader.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  When the government of president Jammeh assassinated
> > veteran  journalist, Deida Hydara, all these hypocrite were like nothing
> > happen.  Even these hypocrites of religious leaders especially the
> > Islamic  leaders were quiet as if to approve this unholy act. As far as I
> > can  remember, only Bishop Clery and another christian leader
> > openly  condemned the act. When this so called coup plot surfaced,
> > Sheriff  Dibba was at the head of a parliamentary delegation to speak out
> > their  solidarity with the president. Imam Fatty, the Banding Drammehs and
> > all  the rest of the team who where in space when Deida was killed,
> > came  back to Gambia to condemn the coup and express their allegiance
> > with  the evil man. Where was Sheriff Dibba, and all the bunch
> > of  opportunists when Deida was killed, busy leaking the behind of
> > the  dictator. Daba Marenah, who is now presume killed, I guest was the
> > then  Director of the NIA that came with an outrageous so called
> > confidential  report on the
> > >>>>> investigation in the murder of Mr.  Hydara to vilify the
> > unblemished character of this man and insult the  dead man family. The
> > people who work with president Jammeh do not fall  his victim, they fall
> > victim of their own evil creation Mr. Conteh and  co. I do not feel sympathy
> > for "Jammeh's victims" who chose to work  with him to subjugate Gambians and
> > I hope you will appreciate that Mr.  Conteh. The cabals are just turning on
> > one another. To me it is fund.  Can you imagine Jammeh used Dibba's own NCP
> > stalwart to replace him.  Watch out he too is in the line of "victims."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  "I refuse to subscribe to the notion that
> > >>>>>  an enemy is an enemy forever.  I believe in forgiveness.  If we
> > >>>>>  want to bring sanity in the Gambia, we have to be forgiving."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>  You are by the posting sounding like you are going to be Jammeh's
> > next  potential so called victim. You sound like you can forgive
> > Jammeh  especially if he were to offer you some piece of his addictive
> > cake.  Remember,even Allah the almighty shall punish those who do evil. I
> > bet  some people will start dwelling in hell right here on earth. Naphio
> > Mr.  Conteh
> > >>>>>  Lamin Jatta
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jassey Conteh  wrote:  Mr.   Barrow:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>It is frightening that most Gambians refuse to compromise
> > >>>>>and forgive, even when their worst enemies are arrested,
> > >>>>>tortured, intimidated, and imprisoned by Yahya Jammeh.
> > >>>>>Jammeh's enemies are my friends.  I will continue to
> > >>>>>defend their rights.  An attach on any Gambian, is an
> > >>>>>attach on me.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Do we understand Jammeh's style of politics?  No, I don't think
> > >>>>>some of us do.  It is called divide and rule through intimidation,
> > >>>>>harassment, torture, and jail.  The law in the Gambia, is
> > >>>>>according to Jammeh and Jammeh only.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Going back to Gambian politics since 1962, I conclude with
> > >>>>>reasonableness that it was based on vindictiveness, tribalism,
> > >>>>>exclusiveness, and other negative assertions.  Sir Dawda
> > >>>>>dropped Governor General, Alhagie Farimang Singhateh
> > >>>>>when the Gambia gained republic status.  Mr. Singhateh
> > >>>>>was not even compensated for   a high commissioner's post.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Hon Sherriff Ceesay was Sir Dawda's shining star. What happened
> > >>>>>between them?  Politics of vindictiveness.  But Mr. Ceesay later
> > >>>>>accepted the  post of Governor of the Central Bank of the Gambia
> > >>>>>He finally was resurrected with the PPP.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Pierre S. Njie, the darling of Banju South and Gambian politics was
> > >>>>>betrayed byhis loyal supporters.  Again the forces of political
> > >>>>>vindictiveness and selfishness prevailed. I remember a very decent
> > >>>>>Gambian in the name of Koro Sallah of Banjul South.  The brother
> > >>>>>talked about objectivity and fairness.  Do we have that anymore in
> > >>>>>the Gambia?  I leave that with history to conclude.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Sheriff Mustapha Dibba, a onetime Sir Dawda loyalist left the PPP.
> > >>>>>Mr Dibba formed the NCP. The NCP successfully won a seat in
> > >>>>>Banjul South when it allied with UP.  But Mr. Taal betrayed the
> > party
> > >>>>>and   switched to the PPP.  Sir Dawda offered Dibba the post of
> > >>>>>Prime Minister, and he agreed.  But what happened? Again
> > >>>>>the forces of political vindictiveness, subjectivity and
> > >>>>>exclusiveness prevailed over Sir Dawda. The old man
> > >>>>>rescinded his offer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Assan Musa Camara also faced the same trend.  Muhammad
> > >>>>>Lamin Saho, nominated member and Attorney General of the
> > >>>>>Gambia for fifteen years accused Sir Dawda of tribalism
> > >>>>>when he reassigned him to the local government
> > >>>>>portfolio.  Fafa Mbye was accepted the post of Attorney
> > >>>>>General of the Gambia.  Mr. Saho left the PPP and joined forces
> > with
> > >>>>>Assan Musa Camara. We all know what subsequently
> > >>>>>happened to him.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Bakary Bunja Darboe and Saihou Sabally were onetime good
> > >>>>>friends.  These folks became bitter enemies.  This division
> > >>>>>created a split in the PPP. Again politics of vindictiveness
> > >>>>>and selfishness   prevailed.  Mr. B.B. Darboe came back and
> > >>>>>served under dictator Jammeh, but only to run for his dear life.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I ran for the NCP nomination in my native Kombo East.  Again the
> > >>>>>forces of political vindictiveness continuously harassed me. I was
> > >>>>>reported on numerous occasions to be fired from my job.
> > >>>>>On one occasion I was attacked by one Bakary Sarr, an
> > >>>>>alien from Senegal.  Life was so unbearable that I left the
> > >>>>>Gambia for the U.S.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>When I visited the Gambia this past summer, those same forces
> > >>>>>were so friendly to me that it was unbelievable.  I visited every
> > >>>>>compound and shook hands with everyone.  I did so because
> > >>>>>I was revisiting my previous paths.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>History would dictate that politics of vindictiveness, tribalism,
> > >>>>>exclusiveness, subjectivity, and numerous negative trends
> > >>>>>were to be blamed for the Gambia's political troubles.  We
> > >>>>>cannot   continue with this type of politics.  We should
> > >>>>>reengineer our politics and embrace continuous improvement.
> > >>>>>We may even have to resort to theories of constraints.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Jammeh must go.  But he cannot go if we remain vindictive,
> > >>>>>tribal, and subjective in our assertions.  No single Gambian has
> > >>>>>absolute authority in the dictates of our country's politics.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The military succeeded in overthrowing Sir Dawda because of
> > >>>>>a split in PPP. When Jammeh came to power, some of
> > >>>>>Sir Dawda's loyalists joined the APRC.  Dibba also accepted
> > >>>>>the post of the Speaker of the Gambian House of Parliament.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Though I disassociated myself from his politics, I cannot hate
> > >>>>>him.  Should I not defend Dibba's rights as a vindictive of
> > Jammeh's
> > >>>>>dictatorial mandate.  Yes, I will.  I will continue to fight and
> > >>>>>defend the rights of every Gambian. I will even fight for the
> > >>>>>right of any   Minister who serves under Jammeh if the dictator
> > >>>>>subsequently arrests him or her.  I believe in democracy.  I
> > >>>>>refuse to advocate politics of vindictiveness, tribalism,
> > >>>>>subjectiveness, and unforgiveness.  Thank God that I personally
> > >>>>>met Hon Yaya Ceesay, the late Honorables Kebba Leigh, Garba
> > Jahumpa,
> > >>>>>Badara Njie, and MC Jallow.  I may not have been a fan of the PPP,
> > but these
> > >>>>>five Gambians always showed me respect and kindness.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>During the 2001 nomination for president, the forces of
> > vindictiveness
> > >>>>>prevailed.  These same forces exhibited the same pattern during
> > >>>>>NADD's crisis.  Some even attacked Ousainou Darboe as a
> > tribe.  Some
> > >>>>>even said, "does Mandinka's think they have birth right to the
> > >>>>>presidency."  Some said, "We will see."  See what, I asked.  We
> > will
> > >>>>>continue to be divided if tribal sentiments are injected in our
> > politics.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>As Jammeh continues to   divide and rule in the Gambia, we should
> > >>>>>refocus our attention and condemn his dictatorial rule.
> > >>>>>Jammeh is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Gambia.
> > >>>>>Gambians are crying for truth and reconciliation.  Jammeh, please
> > let
> > >>>>>my people go.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>No Gambian should dance and clap for Jammeh when he intimidates,
> > >>>>>tortures, and jails even their worst enemies.  Do we have to
> > continue
> > >>>>>with this type of political vindictiveness?  Absolutely not. How
> > can we do
> > >>>>>this?  Through objectivity and compromise.  I believe in all
> > sincerity
> > >>>>>that the task to replace Jammeh is irreversible.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>After all, do we have power?  No, absolutely  not!  What is the
> > best
> > >>>>>solution in defeating Jammeh?  I believe objectively that we have
> > to
> > >>>>>come together regardless of historical precedent.  Our focus
> > >>>>>should be on Jammeh. I refuse to subscribe to the notion that
> > >>>>>an enemy is an enemy   forever.  I believe in forgiveness.  If we
> > >>>>>want to bring sanity in the Gambia, we have to be forgiving.
> > >>>>>Jammeh is our enemy, and thus, we must embrace his former
> > >>>>>friends, whose rights are  violated.  I believe an attach on any
> > >>>>>Gambian is an attach on all Gambians.  I will continue to fight
> > >>>>>for the rights of those Gambians who were part of Jammeh's regime,
> > >>>>>and are now sitting in jail.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>The reality of political doctrine is that one has to look at issues
> > >>>>>at face value.  We will fail if we continue to be uncompromising,
> > >>>>>relative to the rights of all Gambians, who are arrested,
> > intimidated,
> > >>>>>tortured, and imprisoned by the Gambian dictator.  The fact of
> > >>>>>the matter is that Jammeh will continue to exhibit dictatorial
> > >>>>>tendencies if we clap when he arrests our enemies or
> > >>>>>those who we disagree politically.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>May Allah bring sanity to the Gambia.  Jammey, please   let my
> > people
> > >>>>>go.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Naphiyo,
> > >>>>>Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> > >>>>>
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