Kathy,
I probably can guess your reasons but would be interested in them as well
the opposed view which you started to elude to when you described the
governmentally run church there. and actually I've witnessed sucha one man
show, dictatorship or whatever it might be called, a church that really
wasn't going anywhere or worse one that runs off beaten paths and gets a
bit out there doctrinally. It can indeed be not good. I've also witnessed
a church with a pastor with enough latitude to hear from God and act on it,
and be accountable to a board if things should get questionable, and I
might add those board members prayed with and for the pastor and it wasn't
necessarily one person's runaway decision, it also wasn't folks on a board
being deceptive in presenting cases because there was no case to be
deceptive of, they simply sought God and it was known and they acted upon
what God told them in their seeking. Sometimes it took a long time to get
the answer and there was no sense of urgency unless it was an emergency
situation. If there was a conflict ever I suppose the pastor would have the
tie breaking decision because he is the shepherd of that flock and if the
elders, or board were that unhappy, they could remove him from pastorship,
and he knew that, but yet was afforded room to act on what God told him,
and behind closed doors I doubt it went without confirmation of some kind
as well. Trust, lots of trust and confidence in both the pastor and the
staf. Conversely, try to get a room of people to decide on something
when there are two or more preconceived agendas going into a meeting and
it becomes a competition of persuasion and where is God then in it? I'm not
suggesting it is all this way in either case and could well be totally
off my nut :). But just my observations over the years being involved in
worship ministry in a few churches and not shooting perceptions from the pew.
Brad
At 08:45 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote:
>Brad,P
>Pastor run ministries are probably the most dangerous and unbiblical style
>of ministry, in my opinion and the most susceptible to abuse.
>I'll just leave it at that unless you want to hear my reasons.
>Kathy
>
>
>
>
>At 02:27 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote:
>>How do you think he got all those streets of gold ;) I suppose it is
>>easy for a group of people to get side tracked in putting their own
>>agendas to uses of resources when if prayed about, it might be he says...
>>"Put it in the bank and when you get to X amount, start a <fill in the
>>blank here> ministry with no debt attached to it. The trouble is, it is
>>likely you'd get "I felt God saying to do this" and another saying "I
>>heard God say to do that ". Governmental churches as such can be tough
>>like Kathy said. I always assumed that was the job of the pastor, give
>>direction to the church and if the pastor happened to be out of God's
>>will, and it was proven or obvious, then he'd be challenged by the
>>elders. But you have to give him room to hear and act on what God is
>>telling him in that ministry. Least ways seems as such to me.
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>At 04:50 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>>I didn't know God was into CD type things and putting money away. What's
>>>this about storing up treasures in Heaven or is that just about tithing or
>>>something, haw.
>>>
>>>Phil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Report on how it went
>>>
>>>
>>> > Kathy,
>>> >
>>> > What did God say to do with it? :)
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps just putting it away until focus is off and prayerful
>>>consideration
>>> > and a planned out ministry useage might be best to help convince folks it
>>> > is for good and not giving them the impression its burning a whole in the
>>> > collection plate as it were? :) Things might seem less of an opposition
>>> > later when it isn't so new in the church news.
>>> >
>>> > Brad
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > At 11:50 AM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>> > >Hi Guys,
>>> > >Thanks for praying. It wasn't great, but at least it's over. The two
>>> > >sides were supposed to present their case, one for investing in ministry
>>> > >and the other for starting a trust fund. Unfortunately, the person in
>>> > >favor of starting a trust fund went first and, basically,
>>> misrepresented,
>>> > >well, let's just say, lied, about those who want to invest in
>>> > >ministry. The people in favor of ministry never got to really present
>>> > >their side at all. We were, at least able to convince the congregation
>>>to
>>> > >tithe on the money to a worthwhile ministry and just have them park the
>>> > >rest in a CD to allow for further discussion. Our people are getting
>>> > >older. They don't have a next generation to pass on the ministry
>>> > >too. The building is older and isn't up to code. Unfortunately, these
>>> > >kinds of discussions show the true colors of people that you still need
>>>to
>>> > >worship with next Sunday. I'm just praying that the Lord will continue
>>>to
>>> > >work in the hearts of our people to get them to step out of the
>>> boat, out
>>> > >of the comfort zone and into the adventure where Jesus is.
>>> > >Kathy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Brad Dunse
>>> > http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>>Brad Dunse
>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>
>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or
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>
>Brad Dunse
>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>
>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or
>contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are always
>encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel free to sign
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