Brad,P
Pastor run ministries are probably the most dangerous and unbiblical 
style of ministry, in my opinion  and the most susceptible to abuse.
I'll just leave it at that unless you want to hear my reasons.
Kathy




At 02:27 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote:
>How do you think he got all those streets of gold ;) I suppose it is 
>easy  for a group of people to get side tracked in putting their own 
>agendas to uses of resources when if prayed about, it might be he 
>says... "Put it in the bank and when you get to X amount, start a 
><fill in the blank here> ministry with no debt attached to it. The 
>trouble is,  it is likely you'd get "I felt God saying to do this" 
>and another saying "I heard God say to do that ". Governmental 
>churches as such can be tough like Kathy said. I always assumed that 
>was the job of the pastor, give direction to the church and if the 
>pastor happened to be out of God's will, and it was proven or 
>obvious, then he'd be challenged by the elders. But you have to give 
>him room to hear and act on what God is telling him in that 
>ministry. Least ways seems as such to me.
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>At 04:50 PM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>>I didn't know God was into CD type things and putting money away.  What's
>>this about storing up treasures in Heaven or is that just about tithing or
>>something, haw.
>>
>>Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: Report on how it went
>>
>>
>> > Kathy,
>> >
>> > What did God say to do with it? :)
>> >
>> > Perhaps just putting it away until focus is off and prayerful
>>consideration
>> > and a planned out ministry useage might be best to help convince folks it
>> > is for good and not giving them the impression its burning a whole in the
>> > collection plate as it were? :) Things might seem less of an opposition
>> > later when it isn't so new in the church news.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> >
>> > At 11:50 AM 10/21/2007, you wrote:
>> > >Hi Guys,
>> > >Thanks for praying.  It wasn't great, but at least it's over.  The two
>> > >sides were supposed to present their case, one for investing in ministry
>> > >and the other for starting a trust fund.  Unfortunately, the person in
>> > >favor of starting a trust fund went first and, basically, misrepresented,
>> > >well, let's just say, lied, about those who want to invest in
>> > >ministry.  The people in favor of ministry never got to really present
>> > >their side at all.  We were, at least able to convince the congregation
>>to
>> > >tithe on the money to a worthwhile ministry and just have them park the
>> > >rest in a CD to allow for further discussion.    Our people are getting
>> > >older.  They don't have a next generation to pass on the ministry
>> > >too.  The building is older and isn't up to code.  Unfortunately, these
>> > >kinds of discussions show the true colors of people that you still need
>>to
>> > >worship with next Sunday.  I'm just praying that the Lord will continue
>>to
>> > >work in the hearts of our people to get them to step out of the boat, out
>> > >of the comfort zone and into the adventure where Jesus is.
>> > >Kathy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Brad Dunse
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>
>Brad Dunse
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>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes 
>or contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are 
>always encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel 
>free to sign up to the newsletter to receive an occasional 
>performance update. Its easy as pie, your address stays with us, and 
>we won't pound you with mail either I promise... no worry!