Brad, they are fiction writers.  They don't focus on end times.

earlier, Brad D, wrote:

>John,
>
>Are these fiction writers or end time study writers? I am interested 
>in end time study, not the square peg in a round hole type that 
>think just because we had an earthquake here or there marks the end 
>is near because earthquakes have been happening for well beyond our 
>personal history  or lifetime and their are a series of events which 
>take place either simultaneously or subsequently that will show 
>where things are at. In other words objective study. The news of 
>today's happenings in general, not today today per se, but the 
>general time is interesting as we tend to move towards democracy, 
>freedom and peace throughout the world. While it could be easy to be 
>consumed with this study because it is so interesting it need be in 
>perspective of what we are focusing on instead of who we are 
>focusing on, and yet we are told to keep an eye out as watchmen and 
>be ready. Anyway, years ago a teacher in our church taught on it and 
>it was just amazing and I can't recall some of the authors he 
>referred to who have done research and study on it.
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>
>
>At 03:54 AM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
>>Here are some other authors to check out, Dale Brown, Patrick 
>>Robinson, Steven Coontz and Tom Clancy.
>>
>>earlier, Lelia Struve, wrote:
>>
>>>Phil, I am very interested in what the sun and earth go through as 
>>>well, as a matter of fact I get an email sometimes from I think 
>>>its called space science or Nassau space or something like that. 
>>>It lets me know when there are comets or broken comets.  I like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Lelia
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:03 PM
>>>Subject: Tribulation and Earth Effects
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've talked about this particular aspect of end times prophecy
>>>>before but I have been thinking about it occasionally since I
>>>>first mentioned it.  I haven't read any fiction for probably two
>>>>years, if not longer, because the Library for the Blind here in
>>>>Denver had done something different on their website and I could
>>>>no longer access the link, once I upgraded to jaws seven, to order
>>>>books online.  I checked it occasionally, and a couple of weeks
>>>>ago, their pages had been redesigned so I tried the link and
>>>>bingo, I was into the order area and search links.  I looked up my
>>>>trusty old favorites by starting with Clive Cussler.  You have to
>>>>like books that have adventure, heroes, and the good guys always
>>>>win, to enjoy Cussler's books.  I've read everything he has
>>>>written in fiction and some of the stories I like so well, I have
>>>>read them 6 and 7 times over the years.  Clive Cussler used to
>>>>live in the Denver area and only about 20 minutes up the road from
>>>>where Sandy and I live and from where Todd and Lelia live.  Well,
>>>>about the same for Vicki where she lives, too.  I wrote Cussler a
>>>>letter many years ago by sending it to his publisher.  It was
>>>>probably his fifth or sixth book at the time.  He has probably
>>>>over two dozen books written now and at least five years ago, if
>>>>not more, I heard him on a local Denver talk show talking about is
>>>>books and at that time, there were over 90 million copies in print
>>>>of his books.  So, old Clive is pretty popular.  Generally
>>>>speaking, there is very little bad language in his books but there
>>>>is a lot of action, in places, so the Library of Congress puts a
>>>>disclaimer at the beginning to let you know that there are
>>>>descriptions of violence but he writes in such a way, I find it
>>>>difficult to label it violent.  Anyhow, I simply wrote him and
>>>>thanked him for his latest book and to my amazement, he wrote me
>>>>back, gave me his home phone number in Golden, Colorado, just up
>>>>the mountain a ways as I said, and apologized for writing his
>>>>letter by hand but he was almost walking out the door and his
>>>>stuff was all loaded into the car and he and his wife were on
>>>>their way to their winter home in Arizona.  He now lives in
>>>>Telluride, Colorado, that's in western Colorado where all the real
>>>>rich people live.  Vale and Aspen are still rich people mountain
>>>>ski communities but it is now nothing compared to Telluride.
>>>>Anyhow, Clive owns and collects and restores like new, antique
>>>>cars, and he takes them to car shows all over the country.  I had
>>>>mentioned this in my letter, and his return letter said that when
>>>>he return, I was supposed to call him in about six months, and he
>>>>would come down and pick me and Sandy up and take us to where he
>>>>stores all his antique cars and show them to us.  I kept his
>>>>letter for a long time, along with his home phone number in Golden
>>>>but frankly, when the date came and went of his return, I honestly
>>>>didn't have the nerve to try and call him but I often wish I had
>>>>done so.  Clive Cussler must now be in his seventies.  So what
>>>>does this have to do with what I brought up before?  I'm glad you
>>>>asked.  Cussler touches on some very interesting ideas in his
>>>>adventure novels.  The main character of at least the first 15
>>>>books or so is a man who is very much like Cussler himself in many
>>>>ways.  His books are largely about the world's oceans and evil
>>>>groups of sinister diabolical people who are out to destroy the
>>>>earth in one way or another.  So, back to the Library for the
>>>>Blind website.  I typed in Cussler's name and up popped a list of
>>>>all his books.  Several new ones were now available which I had
>>>>not read because, as I said, I haven't read anything for a couple
>>>>of years, and I probably had not read any of Cussler's books for
>>>>five or more years due to the slower pace they are recorded and
>>>>made available to the blind through the talking book program.  So,
>>>>I ordered a dozen books but one in particular I really wanted to
>>>>read right away because it sounded like it was a global story that
>>>>I have personally wondered about now for some time concerning the
>>>>seven years of tribulation.  As I have said before, I have been a
>>>>news hound for most of my life.  At times, I am almost addicted to
>>>>news.  In the past two or three years, the Middle Eastern news,
>>>>and things related, simply cannot go unnoticed by a Christian.  I
>>>>pray with a financial adviser once each week and have done so for
>>>>about two years.  We skip weeks, as we did last week, because he
>>>>is often out of town.  When we first met, a friend of his in
>>>>Texas had found my website, I believe it was either from that
>>>>website or another one listing me as an intercessor who prays with
>>>>people, and since he was in Denver, he called and talked about
>>>>what type of ministry I had.  He had been out of work for six
>>>>years do to depression and he physically was getting worse as
>>>>well.  He came to some of our Friday night prayer meetings for
>>>>awhile but he lives about 30 minutes south of my house so it is
>>>>quite a ways for him to drive.  After about six months of prayer
>>>>sessions, sometimes twice a week, he went and applied at another
>>>>place, got the job, and has been back in investment counseling for
>>>>the last year and a half.  He has made good money and last week
>>>>was asked to come and apply at a place he really has always wanted
>>>>to work where they literally deal in millions, try 500 million
>>>>dollars, worth of investments.  His health, by the way, has
>>>>improved, too.  Randy watches world trends like I do and he has
>>>>contacts who do business all over the planet.  Each week, we
>>>>spend about half our prayer time discussing prophecy, the
>>>>tribulation, world markets, and world events.  I've learned a lot
>>>>about world economies and globalism from him simply because the
>>>>people he works for, and contacts he has made over the years, give
>>>>him insights I normally don't hear about.  He has lots of
>>>>knowledge about the history of things like our Federal Reserve
>>>>Bank and the International Monitory Fund, IMF, and other such
>>>>banking organizations that have given me a stronger idea of things
>>>>I have often wondered about concerning the tribulation.  God has
>>>>healed this man in so many places, we just normally plan on
>>>>praying once a week to see if anything new is there and some
>>>>things I have written about are directly healing experiences this
>>>>man has experience, praise God.  Anyhow, I told you all about this
>>>>guy for background information and because of things he has said
>>>>that have added to some of my personal beliefs about globalism.
>>>>He, too, watches what is going on in the Middle East but he knows
>>>>contacts there who do business with people that makes the Bible
>>>>prophetics come alive.  As I started to say, for some time, I have
>>>>had an idea in the back of my head but had no scientific knowledge
>>>>about it so I have just kept my ears opened.  The subject has been
>>>>surfacing and filtering up into our news levels, and also on the
>>>>science channels I watch, so my little theory has been coming
>>>>together more and more.  Again, all this is relative so don't give
>>>>up on me yet even if this email seems long.  The last time I
>>>>wrote on this, I quoted passages from Isaiah and Revelation about
>>>>what I believe would happen to the earth during the tribulation.
>>>>I have said, and still believe, it is pretty clear, and I won't
>>>>list all the Biblical reasons again, but it is pretty clear the
>>>>sun goes into a nova phase during the tribulation.  I believe this
>>>>because of the passages which say the moon shines like the sun,
>>>>the moon turns blood red, the earth's climate becomes seven times
>>>>hotter, and due to other such Biblical references.  A sun that
>>>>novas, scientist say, becomes at least seven times hotter than
>>>>normal.  The moon reflects the sun's light, thus, it will appear
>>>>to shine as the sun at that time of solar peak output.  A nova
>>>>cycle used to be believed, by scientists, to take thousands of
>>>>years.  For decades now, they have studied novas in our own galaxy
>>>>and now know it came take as little as seven years.  The perfect
>>>>number for the tribulation.  This means, as I think I have said
>>>>before, that the sun expands, getting hotter and hotter, and
>>>>suddenly burns out.  By that I mean, it begins to cool rapidly.
>>>>As it cools, it condenses, that is, it collapses in upon itself.
>>>>It's mass shrinks, it's color turns a dull red, isn't that
>>>>interesting, just another Biblical confirmation of a nova, and as
>>>>it condenses in mass, falling in upon itself, it becomes smaller
>>>>and smaller and smaller.  The theory is that black holes, are
>>>>holes in space that act something like a vortex and that they are
>>>>created from a dying star, or sun in other words, as it becomes a
>>>>neutron star.  It continues collapsing in upon itself, getting
>>>>heavier and heavier until space itself can no longer hold it's
>>>>dense mass and punches a literal hole into the fabric of space.
>>>>There's your black hole.  A black hole is said to even suck up
>>>>light passing by and they can be literally millions of light years
>>>>across they have recently discovered.  The gravity is so powerful,
>>>>some scientists believe the worm holes are created into other
>>>>parallel universes and that the big bang theory occurred from the
>>>>other end of a black hole coughing out all the compressed atoms
>>>>into another empty universe and life was born.  I didn't say I
>>>>believe all of this and in fact, I personally do not even believe
>>>>black holes exist but I am no scientist so believe what you wish.
>>>>I have reasons why I believe all this stuff so just hold on and
>>>>let me continue.  Anyhow, our sun right now is going through
>>>>several years of unprecedented, and highly irregular, changes that
>>>>man has never seen before in man's life upon this earth.  I won't
>>>>go into all those changes for now but it is happening and it is
>>>>being reported on from many journals and even from some news
>>>>broadcasts.  The Scriptures, according to those passages I quote
>>>>in Isaiah chapters 23 and 24 and in the book of Revelation are
>>>>pretty clear that the earth is just about torn apart by titanic
>>>>gravitational changes effecting the earth from within the planet
>>>>and from space.  Also, the star falling into the world's oceans
>>>>and all that Revelation talks about, could easily bring earth
>>>>changes almost instantly into play so I won't try and preach a
>>>>whole sermon here right now on this.  What I am typing would take
>>>>hours to teach Scripturally and from a systematic standpoint.
>>>>Earthquakes, as we all know, play a big part of the tribulation
>>>>period of time.  The grand daddy earthquake flattens all
>>>>mountains, that's right, all mountains, and all islands disappear.
>>>>Read it for yourself in the book of Revelation.  There is also
>>>>another element that I believe will occur to bring about
>>>>cataclysmic global catastrophe and that is a polar magnetic and
>>>>geo polar shift.  It could be one, or both, of these types of
>>>>shifts.  The first is magnetic in nature and would cause the least
>>>>amount of damage.  Your compass would point south.  Births birds,
>>>>bees, and animals of all kinds would lose their ability to
>>>>navigate.  Electronically, it is likely everything would totally
>>>>be screwed up, break down, and burn up.  There are some scientists
>>>>who believe we have experienced magnet polar shifts already over
>>>>millions of years but you'd have to believe the earth was
>>>>literally, as they guess it to be, about 5 billion years old for
>>>>their theoretical magnetic polar shifts to have occurred at all
>>>>and I'm not in that camp.  The geo polar shift would be something
>>>>totally irreversible and  would likely cause the entire earth's
>>>>surface to move around like an ice skater on a frozen pond.  The
>>>>geo polar shift means the crust of the earth's surface, that which
>>>>we live on, and the mantel, just below that level an probably
>>>>drops to 1800 miles or so below surface level, will slip around on
>>>>the earth's core.  It is estimated that such global movement would
>>>>literally turn the earth sideways so the magnetic poles would be
>>>>where the earth's equator is now and the equator would move to
>>>>where the magnetic poles are now.  It could be even worse.  In
>>>>such a case, can you see how every mountain will be flattened and
>>>>every island would disappear?  The oceans would move and the
>>>>continents as well.  Isaiah says the earth wobbles to and fro in
>>>>its orbit at this time as a drunken man.  such a geo polar shift
>>>>would have exactly they type of effect.  Well, interestingly
>>>>enough, Clive Cussler's book called "Polar Shift," is on this
>>>>exact topic and it is explained in scientific, howbeit from a
>>>>fictional standpoint, how such a polar shift could be created by
>>>>man.  So, I know this has been long, but I found the story
>>>>fascinating as it relates to what I see in Scripture concerning
>>>>what the earth will suffer during the seven years of tribulation.
>>>>
>>>>Phil.
>>>>
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