Jesus is the second person of the trinity, thus he along with God and the 
holy spirit is God.  God is the triune.  I looked back at what I said, and I 
don't believe I called her the mother of God.  I called her the mother of 
our Lord.  This is a title I give to Jesus.  Is he not Our Lord?  Many in 
this country abhor titles but not so in other parts of the world.  I believe 
Jesus deserves the title along with all the respect and more the title 
deserves.  Perhaps there is no place for us Catholics on this list if we are 
to be taken to task for phrases we use which are particular to our faith. 
To us Mary is our mother and that is how we refer to her.  I still don't 
understand why you would feel she isn't your mother if you are Jesus' 
brother and she was his mother.  When a child is adopted on earth by law the 
adopted parents become mother and father to the adopted child just as surely 
as if they had actually given birth to the child naturally. There will 
always be differences between our faiths, and we must be tolerant of these 
differences, even though they may not be entirely understood.  I am sorry if 
what I said offended any of you.  I will no longer refer on this list to my 
relationship to the holy family.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: A cinnical attitude


> Angel, you are using logic to make your point and with the Scriptures, 
> man's logic doesn't always fit.  We must concentrate on what the bible 
> says and not our own logic.  The Bible teaches that Mary is the mother of 
> Jesus and not the mother of God.  The Bible never refers to her as the 
> mother of God.  God is eternal and could not have a mother.  Of course, 
> His father, the first person of the trinity, is eternal.  To say that Mary 
> is the mother of God is blasphemy because she is not eternal.
>
> earlier, Angel238, wrote:
>
>>What ought I to say.  Eve was the mother of us all, and Jesus was the 
>>second adam.  Mary was his mother.  As we Christians are all his brothers 
>>and sisters, and as Mary was his mother why is she not our mother as well. 
>>I don't understand this objection.  As I feel her to be my mother would 
>>calling her my mother  be more appropriate?
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Pearson" 
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: A cinnical attitude
>>
>>
>>>I think your wording "our mother" gave the impression that we all embrace 
>>>her as our mother, whereas this is not the case.  Most on the list would 
>>>freely recognize that Mary had a very special role to play in the life of 
>>>Jesus, but we don't hold her in such high esteem as those of the Catholic 
>>>faith.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you also need to respect others' views on the list and be careful 
>>>in how you write these things.  None of us want to cause offence, but we 
>>>do all have a belief in what we see to be true ... and that's where most 
>>>of us stand.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Carol
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>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel238" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:51 PM
>>>Subject: Re: A cinnical attitude
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't want to get into a debate with you as this is not what the list 
>>>>is for.  I wanted to make a basic point here which I did.  Jesus is my 
>>>>brother, God is my father, and as the mother of Our Lord, mary is my 
>>>>mother.  I assumed you felt the same.  This list should be understanding 
>>>>of all Christian faiths.  We Catholics believe Mary to be our mother. 
>>>>Just leave it at that and regard the point I was trying to make.  There 
>>>>had to be a reason God chose her to be one of the first earthly 
>>>>enfluences and to make one of the first empressions on the baby Jesus. 
>>>>This virtue was one of them I feel.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:37 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: A cinnical attitude
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mary is not our mother.  As God, He had no mother: as man, He had no 
>>>>>father.
>>>>>
>>>>>earlier, Angel238, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>This is one of the things for which I admire our mother.  She didn't 
>>>>>>seem to fret over things.  Rather, she pondered in her heart what was 
>>>>>>meant by occurances and their significance.  This is one of the many 
>>>>>>reasons God in his infinite wisdom chose her to be the mother of our 
>>>>>>blessed Lord. This is an virtue we would do well to emulate. It would 
>>>>>>save us much unwelcome stress, and would fill us with much Pease.  I 
>>>>>>have fallen short many times of this.  Each time our Lord brings me 
>>>>>>through a crisis safely, I vow to practice this virtue and to allow 
>>>>>>him to take care of the troubling situations in my life which beset 
>>>>>>me. Perhaps this will be my new years resolution.  I, however, shall 
>>>>>>just continue to try till it happens for me.
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:09 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: A cinnical attitude
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kathy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, that's good to know I'm not alone, haw.  Strange you should 
>>>>>>>mention
>>>>>>>Mary.  I was thinking of the birth of Christ during Christmas, of 
>>>>>>>course,
>>>>>>>but that took me, for some reason, to thinking about Mary and how 
>>>>>>>courageous
>>>>>>>she must have been when Gabriel appeared to her and gave her the 
>>>>>>>news. Then
>>>>>>>my mind suddenly jumped to the cross and how it must have torn her 
>>>>>>>heart out
>>>>>>>to see her own son hanging naked on the cross while at the same time,
>>>>>>>knowing it was for her sins, too.  Jesus telling John to take care of 
>>>>>>>her is
>>>>>>>so powerful to me whenever I think about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>John
>>>>>
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