Hi Allen.
when i go to alt key, and then control tab, and tab to say the text box or
the command button, pressing enter does not activate the wizard, only puts a
standard control and lable on the form.
like shift control b which will bring up a list of controls in the form
design.
so i asked the jaws scripts and software support how to do this via
scripting.
if you are able to get a copy of access 2000, or xp, maybe off a friend, and
load jaws at his machine.
cheers marvin.
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> > 1. when i go to design view in forms in ms access 2000, and i use the
alt
> key, then control tab. the control wizards button is
> > pressed. i cannot activate
> > the wizards, like a command button. it just puts it on by default. the
> wizard does not activate. so cannot create a button using > the wizard. i
> have to
> > drag, then double click. tried this with jaws, but did not work.
> > so how do i do this via code to land on a control, then it activate the
> first page of the wizard?
>
> Marvin,
>
> Here is what I think you are trying to do: You are in Access. You are
> putting focus on the menu bar (Alt), moving focus to a toolbar (Ctrl Tab),
> and activating the first button on the toolbar. Are you pressing Enter to
> activate the button? Because if you are using spacebar, that may be the
> problem. In Office, there are many exceptions to the rule that spacebar is
> the equivalent of clicking on a button that has keyboard focus. This may
be
> one of them. Try activating the button by pressing the Enter key.
>
> If you cannot get the button to activate, know that there is probably
> another way to trigger the command. In Office, there is almost always two
or
> three other ways. But I do not have Access loaded on any of my PCs, so I
> cannot check!
>
> > 2. when i go to customise in tools in ms office 2000.
> > i want to create a menu, and add menu items, and buttons on the toolbar
> with like drop down combo boxes what you get on
> > the standard tools in office.
> > so when i say use the down arrow key go to say macros i wanted to
create,
> and add button, to that menu , and then put it on
> > the toolbar.
> > there is no keyboard shortcut to go to the edit option.
>
> If you trying to create menus and toolbars, and add commands to menus and
> toolbars, good luck! Accessibility is almost completely broken in this
> aspect of Office. I have been doing Office customizations for eight years,
> and I have yet to find a way to perform many straightforward customization
> tasks without a pointing device or MouseKeys. Screen readers -- Jaws
> anyways -- cannot detect a lot of screen objects that make these kinds of
> customization possible. In this case, silence is definitely NOT golden!
>
> Fortunately, screen reader users can create hotkeys for commands or macros
> (and styles, fonts, symbols, and more) through Tools > Customize >
Keyboard.
> But for custom menus and toolbars, you will likely need assistance.
>
> The Visual Basic editor is fairly accessible, and last year at CSUN I met
a
> screen reader user who crafts Word commands in Visual Basic for
Applications
> (VBA). (VBA is a programming environment built into Word, Excel, Outlook,
> PowerPoint, and Access.)
>
>
> > 3. in ms excel 2000, when i use the text to collumns wizard, to use this
> option, in the wizard , there is no keyboard shortcut to > split the data
> into collumsn,
> > while in this wizard. only able to do this after the wizard has
finished,
> which is a pain to do.
> > so how do i do this via code?
> > please e-mail me off list for any code snippets, or any other
suggestions.
>
> I just tested the text to columns wizard using Jaws 4.51. Sorry to report
> that it is an accessibility nightmare. Labels that appear to be
> programmatically associated with fields and controls are not. I tried
> trawling the wizard screens using the Jaws cursor, but gave up. It may be
> that the only way for a screen reader user to use the wizard is to
memorize
> a series of keystrokes without being able to extract the keystrokes from
the
> application. (The wizard is keyboard accessible, but not Jaws accessible.)
>
> Alan
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> I think you are trying to do: You are in Access. You are putting focus =
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> if you
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> has
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>If you =
> cannot
> get the button to activate, know that there is probably another way to =
> trigger the
> command. In Office, there is almost always two or three other ways. But =
> I do
> not have Access loaded on any of my PCs, so I cannot check! =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D3 =
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:
> Arial'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> 2. when
> i go to customise in tools in ms office =
> 2000.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> i =
> want
> to create a menu, and add menu items, and buttons on the toolbar with =
> like drop
> down combo boxes what you get on </span></font><font size=3D2 =
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:
> Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> the
> standard tools in office.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> so when
> i say use the down arrow key go to say macros i wanted to create, =
> and add
> button, to that menu , and then put it on</span></font><font size=3D2
> color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> the
> toolbar.</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> there is
> no keyboard shortcut to go to the edit option.</span></font><font =
> size=3D2
> color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>If you =
> trying
> to create menus and toolbars, and add commands to menus and toolbars, =
> good luck!
> Accessibility is almost completely broken in this aspect of Office. I =
> have been
> doing Office customizations for eight years, and I have yet to find a =
> way to
> perform many straightforward customization tasks without a pointing =
> device or MouseKeys.
> Screen readers -- <span style=3D'font-variant:small-caps'>Jaws</span> =
> anyways -- cannot
> detect a lot of screen objects that make these kinds of customization =
> possible.
> In this case, silence is definitely NOT golden!</span></font><font =
> size=3D2
> color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>Fortuna=
> tely, screen
> reader users can create hotkeys for commands or macros (and styles, =
> fonts,
> symbols, and more) through Tools > Customize > Keyboard. But for =
> custom
> menus and toolbars, you will likely need assistance. </span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>The =
> Visual
> Basic editor is fairly accessible, and last year at CSUN I met a screen =
> reader
> user who crafts Word commands in Visual Basic for Applications (VBA). =
> (VBA is a
> programming environment built into Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, and
> Access.)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> 3. in ms
> excel 2000, when i use the text to collumns wizard, to use this option, =
> in the
> wizard , there is no keyboard shortcut to > split the data into
> collumsn,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> while in
> this wizard. only able to do this after the wizard has finished, =
> which is
> a pain to do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> so how
> do i do this via code?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>> =
> please
> e-mail me off list for any code snippets, or any other =
> suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'>I just =
> tested
> the text to columns wizard using Jaws 4.51. Sorry to report that it is =
> an accessibility
> nightmare. Labels that appear to be programmatically associated with =
> fields and
> controls are not. I tried trawling the wizard screens using the Jaws =
> cursor, but
> gave up. It may be that the only way for a screen reader user to use the =
> wizard
> is to memorize a series of keystrokes without being able to extract the
> keystrokes from the application. (The wizard is keyboard accessible, but =
> not Jaws
> accessible.)</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
> face=3DTahoma><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
> color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black'><![if =
> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
> mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o=
> :p></span></font></p>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle16><font size=3D2 =
> color=3Dblack
> face=3DTahoma><span =
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
> Tahoma;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial'>Alan<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></=
> p>
>
> </div>
>
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