Voted in HS as "Most unlikely to be from the State Department". The reason
for my post was that yours assumed the FACTS of genocide, or mass murder,
and, since the allegation of the same is being used by NATO as a pretext
for some mass murder of its own, I believe that this assumption should be
challenged vigorously.
DDeBar
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> From: Dan Koenig <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [CHOMSKY] "Media Beat": how not tocover an American attack
> Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:16 PM
>
> Sorry, Martin, but there have been so many posts about this matter that
I have
> not kept track of who has said what. I was responding to a post that
began
> "DDeBar wrote:" Obviously, I stand by my statement that I take issue
with
> Clinton and anybody else who is using the term "genocide" too freely.
In fact I
> consider such frivolous usage to be insulting to the Holocaust victims
and
> survivors alike. Nowhere in the post in question did I make any
criticism or
> other disparaging remark about you or your opinions. I regret that any
offence
> was taken. As you note, I agreed . . . .that the term genocide is being
used a
> bit too freely. If DDeBar was using the term too freely then I disagree
with
> DDeBar. Dan Koenig
>
> Martin William Smith wrote:
>
> > Dan Koenig writes:
> > > I agree with DDeBar that the term genocide is being used a bit too
> > > freely.
> >
> > Your agreement with DDebar is odd since DDebar is the one who used the
> > term genocide. I did not. I said I suppose they are killing and I
> > think they have been killing since before the bombing. A mass grave
> > refers to the practice of burying multiple bodies in one grave, not
> > genocide. DDebar criticised my expression of opinion without facts.
> > Fair enough, but mass graves were documented after the Bosnia war, and
> > Milosevic and the Serb army were part of that. They don't appear to
> > have found Christ during the interval.
> >
> > So we have DDebar criticising me for expressing my opinion and
> > implying that I accused Milosevic of genocide. I did not do that.
> > Then you come along and support DDebar's false accusation. It's
> > amazing how Chomsky's analysis applies to everyone. DDebar could be a
> > member of the State Department, and you could be a reporter for the NY
> > Times. You've just validated the system.
> >
> > > It would be a novel form of genocide to allow a people's women,
> > > older men, and young boys to flee with their lives. That was not
> > > exactly the approach taken by Hitler. Neither, for that matter, is
> > > it the approach that has been being taken in Africa or, closer to
> > > home, against the indigenous Mayans in Guatemala (with longstanding
> > > U.S. assistance, training and complicity). And what about Operation
> > > Phoenix is Vietnam, and its full fledged form in Mai Lai (sorry if I
> > > just remember the horror and not the correct spelling). So Kosovo
> > > is about genocide is it? Yeah, just like Desert Fox was about
> > > weapons of mass destruction.
> > > Dan Koenig
> > > DDeBar wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > (1)Why can't the Serb military create mass graves right now?
> > > > >
> > > > > They can. I suppose they are. I think they have been killing
since
> > > > > before the bombing started, and I think it will be shown that the
> > > > > killing increased when the human rights observers left.
> > > >
> > > > "I think"? "I suppose"? Etc.?
> > > > I THINK that I'd want to be damned sure of the facts before I
accused
> > > > anyone of genocide. This claim provides "justification" in the
minds of
> > > > millions for the war crimes (yes, the present bombings and coming
invasion
> > > > are violations of US and international law) being committed by
NATO.
> > > >
> > > > Don't act (even passively) before you think.
> > > >
> > > > DDeBar
> >
> > martin
> >
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